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Well, I don't like to look at it Well, I look at it. Who's growing in me guns. I don't want to look You got like a yellow cue to them to definitely some cancer Emotionally, how are you coping with the thought of dying? Oh, it doesn't it doesn't even hit me Emotionally hasn't even I don't even you know, I haven't sort of dying. I don't think you're lying in the grave and you know What's going on here? You know, okay, I don't say I'd like I'd like to come back and see what all the fuss is going to be after I'm dead Read a few of the papers and what's a few of the TV shows and listen to a few of the party party debates That's my reaction, you know, they're gonna be on half from dead was he or wasn't he a good writer was he or wasn't he a good artist? Was he or wasn't he a good singer? Do you think there'll be a debate about whether you were a good or bad man? I'll be a debate about that. Yeah Is that debatable? Oh, I suppose it's debatable. Yeah Where's Renee? There could be no more fitting place than Melbourne's Pentridge prison for Chopper Reed's final interview now closed Chopper spent nearly 20 years inside these penitentiary walls So weeks from death it was here He decided to finally come clean on a crime. He has never been convicted of murder Tonight he's admitting to four homicides Not a noose. Well, are you prepared to tell the truth today? Yeah, of course I why is that? That's what it's all about. This is the last interview the last picture show Does your word mean anything? Don't question me about my bloody well word. That's all I'm saying. That's it Four is all we're getting and that four that's what that's it for that's it That's I haven't killed any more than that and don't try to tell me don't try to make out that I have I guess the point is that you have said in the past you put a television camera in the room and you lay your head off Oh, yeah, yeah, of course. Yeah Right, but I'm I'm telling the truth now Yeah, about it about the RIP's might as well so mark what happened Desmond Castillo 1971, okay So mark what happened to Daisy Costello? Daisy Costello was standing here. You was here My boy mark always hands-on with the interviewer. Let's get it and uh Yeah, you know, you're fucking imbecile. There's you know, fuck you gotta get it, you know, fuck you're fucking imbecile I got a whack bang outside the Lenster arms hotel in Collingwood Chopper is taking me through this bizarre reenactment of a murder 42 years ago. Come on, put your fucking hand up Right, this one. Yeah, I know you went like that. Right. It was an organized hit on Union heavy Desmond Costello Chopper Reed was just 17 years of age and this was his first murder He started drilling at 17. What was this bloke? Painter and docker What was your involvement in his murder? Trigger, man. I'm just a blanket to kill him Do you even remember why he had to die? No, I can't really tell you why. I'm gonna have to start here I'm trying to think of something for you. I've got the finest or a madest idea Why, you know, you start to get in the land of oh, really? I don't really why I don't know why and You see the cancer all over that man That's tough Cancer the number one killer. I said, you know, I couldn't care less. I mean why? Did why ever matter to you? Why nothing to do with it. Did he say it coming? Well, you didn't really see it coming. I didn't believe it was gonna come up from me. I Was only young kid. I don't see but he is all when you're about to shoot him. What did he say? I pulled the gun out. He said fuck off He said what are you gonna do with that? What do you said on top of you? What do you think I'd like to do with this thing? You should get fucked go away You know smacking them out. I'll take it off and jam it up your ass all sorts of stuff, you know And so I just showed him so I didn't insult me, you know But you ain't shit him anyway. Well, yeah, yeah, yeah, but he was out He was getting insulting and I signed it that I wanted to shoot him and you take the gun off me and stick it up Me bum and all sorts of stuff, you know Once you get to talking about sticking a gun sticking a stick in a you know up somebody Rectum so that's a big thing over there across the sea across the ocean That's disrespectful. Ain't nobody want no class go send off. So, you know ob's keg cellar became Des Costello's temporary tune Yeah, and he's gone When you through why are you laughing? Then he goes And you thought he was dead you too buddy now condone is chopper is just crazy. Yeah, yeah There's a door now as far as I was concerned But he wasn't was he well the next morning. He's still still a bit of a bit of a tackle So what did you do then step on his fucking throat? We just fucking went like that. Just took a buddy Just a bit of a bit of it. Oh, it's all too. Did you know that you just put the cigarette out? You had that in you Yeah Blase and Brutal the 17 year old chopper and an accomplice carried the body of Desmond Costello a few blocks to dump it here In the shadow of what locals call the Collingwood shot tower police found his body. They just never found his murderer Were you surprised that you got away with it? No way. There's no one around No, nothing. This is our past five in the body are whatever it was morning on and 971 in Collingwood so you don't think anyone saw you. Well, if they did say turn their head quickly and went the other way Choppery first thing see me So what turned 17 year old chopper read into a killer the son of a soldier and a religious mother as a young boy He was sexually assaulted later teased and beaten up at school spent time in foster care and was even committed to psychiatric hospitals What do you reckon has made you who you are mark? I don't know But do you think that anything in your past? You know the fact that you yourself were attacked as a five-year-old or six-year-old And right do you think you know the fact that you were in norfinage for a time? Do you think the fact that your dad loved guns and and you know you described him as mad? Do you think that shaped you? I've never stopped to To analyze the I've never stopped to analyze it I've never I've never drolled or given it any great thought What what makes me tick it really it amuses me when other people say oh, I know you Ah Why is that? Oh, I've spent so much time with you. I know you we don't know what makes anyone tick You know we're everyone's a mystery to everyone and everyone is a mystery to themselves. I believe You know, but the violence, you know and and absolute fascination with guns. Where did that come from? What what violence there's no violence in shooting someone there's no violence Ah There's no arm I'm sorry It's a good time there Blood spitting out all over the kitchen Probably stabbed up to a dozen people you've jumped on people's heads. You don't I mean you're violent mark. No God my there's violence, and then there's violence. I mean only weeks before his death Chopper still had the energy to theatrically make his chilling point Is that camera following me? You put the mouth on this on the side of the gutter There and you get him to open their mouth. Oh Well, I'm the edge of the gutter. Oh snuff the curb like the curb Not to be violent. This is very violent like but this we used to do this in Chicago. Well, not me precisely But I've seen this happen to somebody. It's it's that's that's a rough one right here You stand back and you go smash the back of the head Whoo, right on the edge of the gutter bang. That's why That's why you start seeing the blood roll out. Oh, that's why That's an active violence Yeah, that's that's not on a ball. See that's getting towards an active violence In my book coming up my enemy didn't even like being in jail. I loved it chopper's life on the inside Got the ear like that and he's gone. I said, what are you doing? He said I'm trying to be gentle, mate and justice chopper style I was up to me to kill him That's next on 60 minutes In the eyes of the courts chopper was a violent criminal for many admirers He was much more than that Larican showman comedian and he loved playing to the crowd by his own admission Embellishing his crimes as part of the chopper roadshow But tonight he insists he's telling the truth to set the record straight You're about to hear the details of two more murders he committed But for which he was never committed as always with chopper the language and the subject matter are explicit Hate my guts. I'm as popular as a pork chop on a synagogue There has never been a crime quite like chopper read articulate charismatic and funny Here was a man only too willing to shine a light on Australia after dark The criminal world is Controlled by blood and guts. It always has been controlled by blood and guts It always will be controlled by blood and guts It's hard to believe you've spent something like 23 and a half years in places like this Seven and a half years in a place like this and five years then a risen prison Tasmania bar a few months This was chopper's home from his late 10s to middle-age But you put a bed in here. There's not much room a bed and a Plastic bucket for a toilet a Plastic bottle full of water and a roll of toilet paper. That's what you got and I While chopper was never convicted for murder he did time for violent crimes armed robbery assaults arson Kidnapping and on the inside. He was just as violent as leader of the notorious overcoat gang He declared war on his right. Oh, I didn't know he was a leader. He banged. I thought just I just thought he was crazy So he he was the leader of the overcoat gang What a name Okay What would motivate you to get involved in that game? Well, a young chop was smooth. Look at the pork chop sideburns. Well, I had a crispy lining with the slate comb over Okay, just didn't like that. I didn't like the faces of the people of the opposition They they when I arrived in B division, they seemed to have everything out of control They were making all the home brewers and getting all the dope in and organizing everything and run around a place like King pins and So I thought I'd rectify the situation and we had some homemade access made up in the engineer shop And there was me and a couple of other friends I've made them we were overcoats and we walk we had access up your sleeves and we went around and And dealt with the situation So you're not gonna get me then Keithy We're doing any more time over here Megan. Oh, Keithy you get off on self-defense. Is this the movie? All you got to do is kill me present me psychiatric records to the court He's not a jury in the land that will convict you the gang war was so extreme and chopper so enigmatic They made the movie chopper He in turn became an international cult hero this part comedian by tavern had his critics to Keith See the name three of them part monster a secret. I'm gonna go watch this today today chopper is gonna watch Winning a war is to Is to love something? Your enemy doesn't like it. My enemy didn't even like being in jail. I loved it My enemy didn't like being in haste vision. I loved it. My enemy didn't like Having to get up every Monday morning and watch watch for low-flying pocket knives and low-flying hammers And whether they're gonna get attacked that day and who did have to attack that day to survive I loved it, right? Did you really love it? Well, I loved the the the cut and thrust of All this of this stuff going on in Jolly, but it's the cut and thrust he inflicted upon himself that he will be forever remembered Famously cutting off his ears to get out of maximum security How much did it hurt? Oh it hurt like hell and really bloody hurt, you know, I've got a great tolerance to pain I didn't yell out or anything but a bloody well hurt Kevin Taylor's got the ear like that and he's gone. I said what are you doing? He said I'm trying to be gentle, mate I said you're an idiot. I said you don't hack someone's ears off gently I said you hack from a hack from like that Just get it done. Put some muscle into it, right? He's going Shhh! Straight through, right? He's going You said you're not gonna bash me later, are you? I said no come in to the other one I'm gonna look at him with one ear, aren't I? But behind Chopper's madness Chopper went at symmetry for his ears. Chopper, why are you wowing? He was always the menace. Inside Pentridge prison. He was judge, jury and executioner Thug him Reginald Isaac's 1974 And it was here Chopper Reid says he committed his second murder in 1974 His victim was pedophile and child killer Reginald Isaacs Me and man Charlie walked into his cell and Charlie fell there I don't condone murder but Into the ground and I've jumped up on his bunk and tried to and bang jumped on his head from his bunk Under his head from his bunk under his head from his bunk under his head, right? And then I've gone from the bunk. I slipped it off the head and hit the chest from the bunk on into the chest bang bang and He wasn't he wasn't dead. Yeah, but he was sort of and So I've taken his shoelaces off him tied his hand hands behind his back and And then I've taken the sheets off him wrapped the sheets around his neck Lifted him up with mad Charlie got the sheets around his neck and I've tied the sheet up over the top railing over the Obsogate Pushed him down and I've gone out of the cell and I'll close the cell door there was no one saw us that we were pretty quick in here and Anyway at seven o'clock that morning they're opening his cell door and found out that he committed suicide The official verdict was suicide, but Chopper claims he got away with murder within these four walls of D division at Pentridge Chop hook somebody No, I have a question me for murder over now. I never thought it was murder. He was sort of a suicide And you almost sound proud of your work on that one Oh, well anyone to kill a child in such a manner didn't deserve to live But why was it up to you to well? Well, it must have been up to me because Everyone in the Romani art shook hands with each other and said the first person that sees this bloke Was obliged to kill him and what happened to be the first person to see him. So it was up to me to kill him That reasoning is solid and sound Educationally wise you to Murder number three slam Oh zerk ma oh zerk ma or Zerkham Take a same with your Turk St. Kilda 1987 and in a rare student out of jail Chopper commits his third murder Shooting Siam Ozzakam also known as Sammy the Turk outside Bojangles nightclub Bojangles, why did you come out Bojangles is a restaurant in the south over here Pretty good, too. I think it's a chicken or something It's good with Sam the Turk. Oh, he told me he told me he's gonna sell me a hang up at it The CD nightclub has long since gone It's now a health spa and Chopper says for the first time. He is telling the truth of what happened here. I Said well, where is it making you said they'd be here in a minute. They'd be here in a minute. I said who's they? You said they'd be here in a minute and I Turn around I said nothing behind me, and so I thought they'd be here in a minute. You're treacherous bastard, you know I said you brought me to you kill me didn't you? and So I shot him As you do I shot him and Danny went He laughs. She tries to smile and keep a straight face this girl Until now Chopper has always claimed the shooting was in self-defense But Sammy the Turk was armed and part of a drug dealing gang that wanted to get rid of Chopper the standover man I Was taking their money I was driving the western suburb is crazy I'm not gonna lie the movie looks phenomenal I Think when I did the first interview with Renee We miss you Renee Your presence is in my heart You're a real gangster. Anyway, I Want to see the movie I'm gonna go watch it today. I think it's on YouTube No cap. I think it's in the same night my body virtually half of them and Taking their money. They didn't like it But on the night he shot me the Turk didn't pull a gun on Chopper. He was unarmed When I killed Sammy the Turk that wasn't a self-defense that was outright fucking Sorry, it shouldn't be swearing, but that was outright murder. I told the armory squad that night that it was self-defense I said he grabbed the gun out of the front of me pants I grabbed the shotgun out and click click click here and I've gone bang for the head and I thought to myself anyone believes this story they got Like a Rocks in the head, but the jury did believe Chopper and he was acquitted everyone shout out to the judicial system Swallowed it. I couldn't understand and next thing you know the jury come back and said not guilty. I thought I Didn't go cheer cheer. I just Dumb fan as the jury walked out. I'm still looking Do they say not guilty? I couldn't believe it Not guilty for that. Oh god. I'm muddy. Thank God. You can't be tried twice I just feel like Renee would have been laughing with him You've just heard is Chopper read admitting to his third murder a confession He's never made before and won his why she won't do it. I don't get that. I don't get the center photography right now Why she won't do it? Cemetery Certainly never been convicted of But the killing didn't end there and that brings us to the cold case of Sydney Michael Collins Who's been officially missing since 2002? Here's a bikey boss who had his first run in with Chopper 10 years earlier when Chopper shot and wounded him Still to come what more do you need bang get about get a bit of that India Killing in cold blood. Why did you murder him? He is here as an absolute turd Chopper's last astonishing chopper didn't really need no reason. He's just out here taking taking Taking souls Soul smatter. What does it feel like to kill someone the final chapter next on 60 minutes For most Chopper read was the funny man on the show circuit with a distant violent past It was years since he'd been on the inside Part of his appeal was that this one-time standover man seemed no longer a threat But the truth is Chopper remained deadly dangerous The showman was still a hitman and tonight with his trademark confronting words and manner He confesses to a fourth gruesome murder his most cold-blooded For the past 20 years Chopper read has been making a living playing Chopper enthralling audiences with a mix of dark deeds and black humor But as funny as he makes it out to be As a standover man kidnapper and hired gun So he was the actual comedian So y'all was really out here. I'm laughing too, but Okay, he was feared as one of Australia's most dangerous men No matter how he fobs it off now Of course, we were kidnapping him and taking their bloody money and all the rest of it, but buddy But basically that was it. We just kidnapped him and take the bash him and smash him and bash him and smash him and Give me a good old and a little smash him and oh My god, I just like I just feel she's looking at this man. Like you are really insane Renee would have had some compassion Give me a good old and I let him go This violence that you have in you the rage that you have in you I'm sorry rage. He's not a rage. Did you did you learn it or did you were you born with it? Do you reckon? Good question. Oh, I don't know. I don't know What does your family think of your line of work? I think he acquired it. My father was He was tickled pinky He'd roll around the floor right laugh and my mother was horrified into into absolute Denial she just used to Say that she was no real no relative of mine. She thought you were mad didn't she? Yeah She always believed me to be insane You know a very good shot. Yeah, we go. There's that classic thing Would you let me to show you had good a shot? Yeah, all right. I'll get my young assistant Trent grab that bottle get over there Mad all right. I'll get my young assistant Trent grab that bottle This right here is the og of it all Right here. Here go Renee. I knew they couldn't let the soul of 60-minute interview go past it I'll say over the mad bad Definitely a loose cannon Yep, I'm a crack shot When he filmed this extraordinary scene back in 1992 Chopper was only months away from going back to prison This time for shooting biker boss Sid Collins see Hayden on Renee Day and so on because he was a National president of our little mosaic club. I was supposed to donate eight thousand dollars to his wedding So all the people that will come out of the wedding that the main people had to bring a grand I'm not giving him a grab his buddy wedding. I don't even know how to ride a motorbike You know, I am well, he's bloody bike. He's wanting me to invite me to their bloody weddings for you Gotta bring bloody large amounts of money And is that why you shot him yes, what more do you need bang get about get a bit of that in dear And then you had him driven to hospital Said you want one of the brain no And I said you when you go under the lemon tree or out in into the hospital where do you tell them people? No, you don't tell them people you stick solid. Yes, won't go give me up. No, all right good So we can take you to hospital on your main side. Yes Word on that. Yes, I believe you righty 18 This man shot him because he didn't want to give him a $8,000 wedding gift Just declined the wedding just don't go Listen up we are Top way of thinking was just out the box But Sid Collins broke this baffling criminal code by going to police Chopper spent the next six years here at Wisden prison You can't go dobbin people in you can't go give them people up just for a minor shooting Shot him in the guts and took him to hospital. It was a petty offense After his release from prison in 1998 Chopper said he was never going back. His years of crime were over But what nobody knew was he would never forget being crossed by Sid Collins 2002 okay, and so then ten years later You track him down in casino no no no no we're in casino in New South Wales doing a talk night Talk night me and Jacko doing a talk night Who do you think comes up to me after the talk night and wants me to sign a piece of memorabilia? Hello, no No, he did not chop Chop, he sent you to jail for six years And he came up to talk to get you to sign some Chop that is disrespectful late. Oh, I like rubber You saw this I can't believe it. What are you doing here? Oh Well, I go into boy guns. You saw this. I'm not saying anything with you. I'm not saying anything. I Can't even because I didn't believe it, you know and I See you backstage. I can't talk to respect stage. He was there. Oh Couldn't believe it Idiot completely in sign of his head on cocaine And so what happened then? Oh, I can tell you what happened then but we took you know, I've got him in a I'll hop into his car go make his place bang bang bang bang and I Shot him the last time with his gun. I killed him this time with his gun. That's how stupid he is I shot him the first time with his gun. I shot him the second time with his gun How stupid is this person? This is an idiot complete idiot and this time What did you invite this man back to your career? What are you wrong with you tricked on him? Yeah, chop a gangster. Are you shooting to kill him? Oh, yeah, this time. I was shooting to kill him last time He just got it in the guts and a trip to hospital very Christian last time Not this time. Why did you murder him? He is here as an absolute turd Oh For years after convincing his legion of fans he'd swapped crime for storytelling chopper brutally settles a score with an old enemy What did you do with the body? When we stick him in the but it was stuck him in a hole and filled the hole in Whereabouts was that? I could see no news at miles Can you be more specific? Do you see no news at miles? I'm not gonna go and dig it up for you I couldn't dig it up for you to be self Now I wouldn't forget it was bloody somewhere near a fucking a bloody football label Somewhere near a football label Yeah, about 50 fucking feet away from a football label on the on the other side of a big mound of bloody dirt So I remember do you reflect on that at all? I mean, you know his son Told police he was miss missing reported him missing. There's a family there looking for And her dad is who's no longer around any remorse any sort of reflection on that. No, no, no not at all none at all None at all absolutely none at all. These are serious crimes with the way he is saying it is just hilarious out of I don't condone this kind of trying that please What does it feel like to kill someone? Feel anything at all? Nothing An adrenaline rush. No, I didn't feel a thing I didn't get no adrenaline rush. Nothing fear. No, no, no sense of fear So cold out here foreboding or anything like that? Nothing What about his day sense of power? No Well, nothing at all No Same sense of looking over your shoulder. Did anyone see it? That's about it. What's how you expect me to say? Right Mark Brandon chopper read wasn't afraid of killing and even in these final weeks. He wasn't afraid of dying He died as he lived with no remorse Few regrets and certainly no guilt over the four murders. He's now admitted to He leaves behind a wife Margaret and two sons Charlie and Roy No, I never ever worried about death never ever ended my mind death That's what just kept me alive. I suppose they say you are You sleep and you sleep and you sleep and then you fall into a comma and then you are sometimes when the comma you die So it sounds like pretty painless, you know, so I hope that's how I go It's better than dying and I with a bullet in the back of the brain or a bullet in the front of the brain I guess you've dodged a few of those. Yeah, I've dodged a few of those and I Literally have to I've heard the bullets rustling through the air come past me ears I've heard that too. It's 11 inch ago It's good to be able to hear the sound if you don't you did even though I've got no ears I can still hear this end of a ball What do you think your judgment day will bring There's a big penitentiary up in the sky big pantridge in the sky. Well If it was a big pantridge in the sky I Suppose they'd be placed there for me. I Wonder who'd been up out there with two Park Tiller Pro place be empty. We wouldn't because it'd be in heaven. I'll bet any person up there I Would I'm any person I could think of God of heaven really? Yeah From my world We have contacted Victorian police and offered any material that might help them to cook See Renee would never and I knew it. I knew you this trick and Renee would never They they can watch the show and get the material Renee is a gang say you are not till it Like comment subscribe turn on your post YouTube. I do not condone. It's I'm just saying I'm gone