 In all the years of Young's work, as it was developing, he did have a circle of people around him, who were quite closely related. Did he appreciate that, that he had loyal friends, and did he find that a comfort? Because so much of what he did was ground breaking. Oh yes, he even writes in one of his letters, I have found, among my patients, pupils, and with some friendship for life has developed. And they carry on my work, I mean he was very appreciative, was very glad not to be quite alone, you know, such a pioneering work, one is very isolated. So if somebody was able to follow him, to come along, he was always very happy. He seems to have found not as many men who could join him. Or is that your impression? I don't know. Oh, there were some men who followed you, with whom he had very good contact. But naturally there was also a lot of trouble, because you see men, especially men, he got better on with men in another field, poets, writers, artists, and so on. Because they don't compare themselves with him. They had the feeling, I am a good painter, I am a good writer, and this is a good psychologist. But if you are in the same field, there was always jealousy, they compared themselves with him and then they felt crushed and inferior, and then they became nasty. That was a very regular pattern you saw with many who were working in the field of psychology and psychiatry. You need a certain generosity to appreciate a great person of your same sex. And the devil always whispers to you, he is better, I am better, he is only that, I am better, and the old jealousy, and then creates trouble. He took great trouble to avoid that, but in a way he was a crushing personality for a man. I know he did everything better, he was better in psychology, but then he painted beautifully, he could cut in stone, so whenever you compared yourself with him, you felt like a louse, and that naturally created a lot of secret poison.