 Permaculture to me is about design, so I see design as this force for liberation really, so design is empowering because it gives us the opportunity to change our lives, it's not just about designing a garden, we can redesign our whole society and so permaculture for me is really about building a permanent culture that's based on a permanent agriculture which is based on learning from nature. I feel it's important to be connected to the land because it's all we have, you know, she's like our total land base and you grow up in a culture of civilisation and you're constantly disconnected from the land, you know, from day one and for me permaculture is about reconnecting to it and sort of living how I would want to live as my birthright as a human being is in relationship with the land, so I think for me on a real personal level permaculture's yeah really made me kind of slow down and try to redesign my relationships so that they're more healthy, so that say for example me and my partner we spend more time together, I make more time for family, all of these things I never expected from studying permaculture just really happened now in my life and so for me permaculture is like this radical set of beliefs and ethics and practices but you wouldn't know it was radical, you know, you get your joe blogs, your counsellors, your MPs talking about it and actually its implications are really radical so for me it is genuinely a revolution disguised as gardening.