 We're getting weird. Yeah, because Tom said you've we've nouned it which sounds like yeah. Yeah, we're being a noun to explain Nouning a verb, right? Oh my gosh. It's a circle The vicious milk sir mm-hmm. Yeah, I know circle either the circle of milk. Yes What was the movie Roger will know this what's the movie Roger where the guy says I've got nipples Brad Can you milk me you remember that? Meet the Fockers is that it meet the parents, right? That was the sequel. It's definitely meet the parents. Yeah I've got nipples Brad You milk me that's Robert De Niro's line. I think isn't it? It is. Yeah That's how he pays the bills, you know dumb movies like that. Um, good for you Use comes from the Latin milk comes from Germanic And this is an example of why English is such an adaptable language because it is pulled in Romance and Germanic languages together so it often has pairs of words that it could use for different things to become more specialized Bunch of hooey if you ask me Just talk English Yeah, me talk funny one day You talk funny now one day what yeah When they call it a romantic language, I've never understood that that just mean Hey, baby. What's up? Or is it like something else obviously mean something else? No, it means if you use it then you're romantic. All right Very simple on the beach got it and Mike points out in chat that the circle of milk is the only memorable song from the cow king Performed by Elton John Only one day on Broadway, but what a day They milked it come for the show leave with a jug Mm-hmm. I haven't drank milk out of a bottle since 2013 But with a never drank milk out of a bottle. I mean like a I don't mean like a baby bottle I mean like a like milk like straight up. I haven't had milk The way that we would traditionally do it here now Serial and then yeah, no, you haven't None of it you have not drunk milk since 2013 I gave up on it because I had a feeling that it was contributing to my inability back then to lose the weight I wanted to and sure enough as I quit. I lost like 20 of the pounds. I was trying to get you're kidding Yeah, I mean, did you drink a lot of milk? I mean not more than anyone else probably but I'm theory was like, yeah, some people just Well Have you started drinking again or no? I had no, but that's a great question Some would say hey Scott, how can you put some of that weight back on and I would say I? Have learned to be skilled at stress eating very good at it. Ah, gotcha. Yeah, and And while I don't like to blame others for my Conditions to do with me There's a very specific event that happened that you could trace back to the 40 pounds or so that I gained back and then Threaten in every cell. Yeah, it's really it's on every web page I I blame my wife Because I was skinny before I got married. I was never sure you you act like you're a Huge obese person. I'm not sure the worst body dysmorphia my friend Brian or my friend Roger Probably a little of both. I don't know I feel you Fred stop I was as thin as Tom was in like 2016 and I loved it and now I'm just kind of back to what I was So I'm trying to get back there again Tom is as thin as I was You were really thin. I mean not in a gross way or anything But you were you were always kind of like, oh, I should be this time are about the same age I should be about where Tom is because you were always like this this thing and I somehow just lost track of that Like I don't look at you The circle of milk you need to go back to the milk, right and you can quit the milk. Oh see I hadn't thought of it that way. Yeah Hey Scott Johnson, that's me. Would you like to read line three to start today's show? I'm always up for reading line three. I like that. It's always line three. There's something comforting about that Yeah, it's a it's a solidity a stability line three has changed lately though Kind of like almond milk Yeah, a little like almond What's the next nut we'll be trying to know? Everything it's worth, but don't juice it. All right, ready. Yep. Here we go. There we go. I'll count you in in five four three two one Thanks to everyone who supports independent tech news directly If you're not already become a dts member at patreon.com slash dt and This is the daily tech news for Wednesday, November 21st 2018 in Los Angeles. I'm Tom Merritt and from studio feline I'm sarah lane and milking a very starting to get very old and icy mcdonald's coke I'm scott johnson in salt lake city And i'm uh roger shank somewhere on the edge of ellie county edge of tomorrow That's how I edge of tomorrow and also the show's producer. Yeah edge of sanity. That's right Uh folks a fair warning if you're not in the united states, you may not realize it's Thanksgiving week here So there will be no dts thursday or friday as we give thanks for our blessings and then spend all of our money on black friday But we will be back with full shows on monday. We're here today though. Let's start with a few tech things you should know Facebook is rolling out It's your time on facebook tool that reports how many minutes you're spending using the facebook app per device Users can set a time limit and then receive a reminder to stop using facebook when they reach that limit or ignore it Uh google assistant for ios now has a syrie shortcut. You know, that's right mixing your voices Which lets you use syrie to ask google assistant something users can say hey syrie Then the google wake word to do anything they would normally do with the google assistant for ios I love this. I love this breaking breaking out of the chains. It's great We're getting there a little it's slightly clunky, but I like it too. I hope ali does it too He said security researcher lucas stafunko tweeted that he found 13 gaming apps from a single developer in the google play store That were not gaming apps, but malware the apps have been installed and estimated 580,000 times or more And presented themselves as driving games Though you never really got to play them because they were all buggy and they would crash behind the scenes However, they were driving you crazy But no they're mine behind the scenes the original apps icon was deleted and malware was downloaded Which had full access to network traffic though It's unclear What the malware did besides that besides accessing that the apps come from the domain registered to a developer in istanbul Google has since removed the apps from the play store All right, let's talk a little bit more about the meaning of the big minds Piece at last piece in our time cooperation collaboration scott. Tell us about it. This is mind blowing Almost as mind blowing as google play not being a great place to go get apps. It turns out kind of bums me out Anyway, hey listen to this microsoft engineers are contributing code To google chrome browser. All right, you heard that right find folks behind edge and before that internet explorer Are contributing their code to google chrome browser in order to let chrome run natively in windows on arm processors Uh, which is you know, you can see a lot of smaller devices doing this qualcomm is also working on the project Windows 10 for arm uses an emulator to run x86 apps But native apps run better as you might imagine and one of those apps that will soon run better would be google chrome Yeah, uh windows microsoft doing this one right right windows rt was kind of a wash because They tried to port a few things over they didn't have emulation and it just didn't work Windows for arm much better because you can emulate so anything you have on x86 you can still run But it's still an emulation and i've used emulation for quite a few things in my time I'm sure many of you have too and you know that it's great when it works But it doesn't always work There's always little weird bugs and little weird things so having a native app is better And I like that microsoft is saying let's put the emulator out there Let's use that to get people to be able to use these arm based Devices and then let's work on native apps then we start to move the ecosystem along and reaching out to google and saying Hey, we get it man. We'd love if everybody used edge But they use chrome and if we want people to buy the devices that have windows 10 on arm They're going to need to be able to use a really good version of chrome and google's like great Yeah, we'll do that love it. It kind of strikes me interesting that uh The old areas where it felt like companies weren't budging on competitive stuff Are the areas we're seeing crumble away Sharing code putting software on competing devices and also making your own hardware Like that stuff seems to be going away in a in a way that seems shocking if you just go back 10 15 years and look at What things were like then it was a very different approach by all of these companies. So I'd love that but I also feel like They're just moving on to the next fights We're not the important areas for the bottom line. Right. Right. We're going to need to get to other things Yeah, this is interesting to me The information reports that apple acquired a privacy oriented ai company called silk labs Which crowdfunded a smart home monitoring camera back in 2016 that used facial and object recognition to recognize people And pets only sending key moments to the cloud and anonymizing data Yeah This this one's getting a lot of buzz today Because apple did it without people realizing it till the information dug this up And of course everybody's wondering when apple's going to come with some kind of ai smart display home security System beyond just home kit And this seems to point in that direction it in and of itself though is not surprising apple is You're doubling down on privacy all the time You tim cooks out there on a little campaign talking about how apple's the only one that cares about your privacy So buying a privacy oriented ai company so that they could make These kinds of devices that are often associated with being a little creepy in a way That secures your privacy makes perfect sense to me. Yeah, it seems likely that they would because um, there's nothing about this that says Whatever the company's doing now with the way it shares information or the way it uploads anything and stays in the cloud or whatever none of that has to Has to stick and in fact you would imagine if apple Really got their hands on this and did something to it They would probably make it so if you wanted to you could share data with other people over Ai cloud and say here's my live security camera. Check it out. Make sure everything looks good I'm I'm out of a connection right now because I'm traveling or whatever I could see them doing all of those things this to me Despite the you know, kind of everyone freaking out about it really doesn't seem that freaky to me It seems right in line with Something I might expect to come from apple and also facial recognition Is right in line with what they're trying to do with face id and converting a lot of their devices and services to To be smarter sort of ai recognition products and not something about your thumb or about passwords So none of this seems shocking and it also seems like Maybe something cool will come out of it, but I bet we're a ways off from that Like an apple branded security system. I think is a ways off Hey, I mean at last they I don't know somehow bundled this into the home pod. I don't know A new version of a home pod maybe yeah, because it's sort of like okay Well, the home pod hasn't exactly been selling like hotcakes, but it's also it's not that competitively priced And some people argue that siri is not as good as some of the other assistants So, okay Well, how do how do you make that better rather than just add some other security camera type thing to the lineup? You wouldn't put it in your apple tv Mostly because a lot of those are obscured by media centers and stuff. I don't know. I'm just just thinking out loud Just spitballing Amazon's going to launch a newscaster style speaking voice for its voice assistant in a few weeks So that your text-to-speech readings particularly of articles will sound like a newscasters reading And if you're if you're having your echo read you a story it can sound like it's being read by a news reader The new style option uses ntts or neural text-to-speech that uses machine learning to generate the expressive voices They're also going to improve the default echo voice as well so that it sounds more natural amazon currently uses an older tech Called concatenative speech synthesis. You've probably heard that one described. It's how they do siri It's how google used to do google assistant They just assemble words from individual phonemes So they have someone record them in a bunch of different ways so that they can sort of fake the expression The ai version learns the expression and emulates it google has also switched to machine learning to generate its voice assistant speech patterns And amazon says it only took a few hours worth of data to train the newscaster style voice now Here i want to play a few of these and you guys tell me what you think This is the amazon alexa we get right now billion dollar grand central terminal open And this is the next one. San francisco's 2.2 billion dollar grand central terminal open And spanning three city blocks. This one is the newscaster style San francisco's 2.2 billion dollar grand central terminal open spanning three city blocks San francisco's 2 billion dollar transit terminal is open. This is after nearly a decade under construction Not perfect, but better. Yeah. Yeah, it's it's it's it's not going to fool anybody, but it's definitely Well, oh I was i was about to say it's a lot more pleasant I don't know if you just care about the information. Maybe you don't care, but As somebody who talks for a living. I think that yeah that newscaster type voice can be very soothing I think it's a enunciation and an emphasis. I think that stuff's important to the way we hear things and The better they get at that. I think that's a really good move It would also be really cool if they could get to a place where you could pick a style So tom you're a huge bbc fan How would you like one of those dry freaking bbc news? The time is full 30 mgrinich mean time guys one of those guys At the end of your thing or give us a night Like I'd take all those variations and be fun way to consume content that I otherwise might Be too tight up to read or push to you know send it to an email later Or do other some other thing with it and never actually get to it I'd much rather listen to something that seemed at least like it It could talk like a person you have received a package containing shoelaces. Yes, just like that Right emphasis on all of it package and shoelaces Uh, my problem with their example is there they have a news story about the building that's already closed because it cracks It's beams. I'm like, why did you use the opening of the trans bay tower in san francisco as your example? But I guess most people will notice that sure why not uh scientists at harvard. That's right. We're harvard men today and women uh have developed something called a Meta corrector Yeah, that's right. This improves on compounded lenses used in images a single layer of nano pillars Spaced less than a wavelength apart manipulates the phase amplitude and polarization of light It's cheaper and more efficient at correcting chromatic aberrations like purple halos The anatypical compound lens. I have a friend who's really excited about this by the way Anyway, it can be used in all kinds of optical systems and the team plans to continue improving efficiency for use in miniature optical devices I would assume this would mean cameras and things because my friend who programs for Uh specifically for android based cameras On android devices and I don't know who he actually works for I just know he does this He's flipping out about this. He sent me a copy of a link to this article Before I even knew it was going to be in the show today and he's like dude. You have no idea. This is a life changer This is huge stuff. We are all over this blah blah blah blah. I still don't totally understand it But hey better optics means better cameras means better Probably a future of actual uh enhance and zoom like in the movies like for real This is yet another step in that tech direction. Yeah, I bet being a programmer of Of this type of stuff like your friend's got is is is much more It would be very eye-opening because of course I read this and I go wow sounds like magic But our purple halo is that big of an issue? I don't know Oh, I'm sorry. Go ahead. Um, but I was just saying like if you're a consumer What this will manifest itself is if you have a camera, especially if you use an slr Oftentimes when you get lenses, especially uh zoom lenses, those are made up of compound lenses And what you get when you take a photo is you get a purple edge To the very edge of your photo and you'll see it if you zoom in it's still a little purple haze and that's one of the like Bug bears of using those styles of lenses was why most people use primes is that you get that but Being a limited that's huge because it's something that's been with us for a generation or more Yeah, I mean and gadget points out that the actual technology of optical compound lenses Dates from around 1730 Now we've we've refined how they work But they but the essential way they work hasn't changed in a long time. So this is at a ridiculously Momentous moment. I guess that's redundant. This is momentous for people in in optics because You know the upshot for us as consumers is we get cheaper more Lightweight lenses in our devices Yeah, I by the way, this friend I mentioned would be a great guest on the show sometime, but he's also He's kind of weird So in other words, he'd make an excellent guest on he might make an incredible best guest you ever had I don't know. So what you're saying is he'd fit in really well Yeah, does he listen to the show because now we know you're weird I don't think he does but maybe Or now those lens guys Hey, amazon warned on tuesday that some customer names and email addresses in the uk the us and across europe were exposed due to a Technical error on its website the company says it's fixed the issue and informed customers who might have been affected But amazon did not say how many users were affected How this exposure happened or whether any of the exposed data was actually accessed by anyone else Yeah, it's not the best disclosure ever So I I'm sort of on the side of zack wittaker I took amazon to task for not responding with a whole lot of information if any When I when pressed for details On the other hand I it is just name and email address and I'm not trying to belittle that But it's it's it's an exposure of your name and email address names and email address have been exposed a lot A lot of times people expose them themselves by putting their name and email address on the internet in public Yes, you should have control about when that happens, but this is not Personal data like social security numbers health information financial stuff. It's a very low risk item And it was an exposure and I think that's where where I really do side With the folks criticizing amazon is letting us know how that exposure happened I think is important to assessing whether it was taken advantage of or not Because exposure doesn't mean access if they caught the fact that they were in public and no one else noticed Then no harm done They may not know whether anyone noticed or not and that that's sometimes hard to tell But knowing how it happened kind of helps me at least wrap my head around like okay No one probably saw it or oh, that's on a public server that shows up on some of these dark web search engines That one probably did get accessed by people but again in the end I think we I don't want to I don't want to let amazon off the hook But we should be we should be careful about saying like okay, but let's let's let's not overreact to this It is it is less of a of a of an exposure than it could have been The only thing that would be a big deal for And I agree with everything you said tom that would be a big deal for me is if amazon Uh, didn't it disclose the number of users and it was some huge crazy number because I always because I'm just I'm just suspicious of everyone. So it's like if you don't give me a number then I assume it's actually quite a few people or If we find out later That the data was accessed and amazon knew about it and just decided not to disclose it That would be cause for real concern. Yeah, and there's no reason to think that that second thing happened at all If your email was was thought to have been exposed They've contacted you amazon has sent emails to anybody that they thought would be affected by this Folks if you want to get all the tech headlines each day in about five minutes Be sure to subscribe to daily tech headlines dot com Daily tech headlines will not be taking thursday and friday off. Thanks to rich straffolino Who'll be filling in doing the headlines so keep an ear out for those Let's talk about the wall street journal reporting its sources Saying amazon is out there trying to get Retail stores restaurants gas stations to accept amazon pay amazon pay is accepted in whole foods because amazon owns whole foods It's accepted in the amazon stores that are out there the the bookstores that they've opened And it usually works as a qr code rather than nfc So it's not like android pay or samsung pay or apple pay You just show a qr code and then they use that to access your account securely and and Bob's your uncle you've paid that's That's a benefit because if you're not someone with a smartphone Especially in developing markets where maybe smartphones aren't as common You might still have a phone with a screen that can display a qr code, right? You may not have a phone that can handle nfc You may not have an account like that, but maybe you do have an amazon account. That's what amazon's banking on It made me think though That we are starting to run into a a world and now that more places are accepting nfc Payments and i'm more often running into logos that have the android guy have the samsung logo have the apple symbol That visa and mastercard Are kind of becoming dos They're still there. They're still operative. They're still important But they're getting pushed into the background because these other systems are running on top of them And we're starting to see apple and google Particularly in other big country companies and amazon wants to be one of those companies Becoming our payment option. Is are we okay with that? If you walk up and instead of seeing visa mastercard american express you see apple google amazon Well, isn't it more like uh, it's to me it feels more like the difference between checks and credit cards And you know for the longest time you could take a check anywhere go to mcdonald by your food give him a check at the window Nobody does that anymore. In fact, nobody really accepts those anymore But checks are still a thing if you need to move money around you got to do a thing pay somebody for a service You still use checks it feels like credit cards as a as a as a traditional way of paying Or I guess credit cards are becoming a traditional way of paying and they probably won't go away certainly not in the long term Um, but it does feel diminished. I mean it does to me. The only problem I have is I don't love that That the that the idea would be in the future or now or whenever That the way you maybe you buy anything is tied to a giant search engine company a giant retailer a giant device manufacturer or whoever it may be That's a little weird because now the battleground is all about What brand of thing do you use and I guess the battleground was about visa mastercard discover whatever and those were kind of a brand fight But it's not as if visa and mastercard discover and the others didn't also have data on what you were buying I mean it's yeah, I mean the whole effects thing is based on that right Exactly. Well, I use apple pay Well, it's been every morning for a few weeks now because a local coffee shop accepts it and it works out nicely But I mean that's still tied to a visa card that I've you know hooked into apple pay The idea of the q qr codes with amazon because I've used that at Whole Foods works like a charm I I feel like for anybody who's running a business. It's almost just like does the point of sale Situation seem cluttered. Does it work? Who you know, what are the customers? you know clamoring for more of and I don't see that many people it depends on where you are, of course But I don't see that many folks at my local coffee shop for example using my You know my little my little tapper in fact half the time the baristas are charging it and I have to like ask I will jump in here because I know Like all of australia is now standing up and yelling at you right now like that because you're in the united states, right? Uh tapping is the norm in a lot of other countries. So yeah, that's true. Sure Sure, but again, yes, it depends on it depends on where you are and and again if you know, the nation of australia Um can spread the word to a lot of other places where people are like You know, I'm not using pay or samsung pay or anything. That's where this all drives forward Yeah, we're the backwards ones though. I think this is where the us centric nature of us living in the us Does blind us because tapping is common Anywhere in the developed world except for the united states Like we we are behind that curve, but I still think we're catching up I'm seeing it more often Uh, the fact that cvs over here has it the fact that almost every independent retailer shop that I go to has it Where I have run into it being a mess Is contractors so, you know, I just bought a house We just moved into a new house had to have a sewer line replaced had to have the sprinkler system worked on Had to hire a gardener had to get some roofing repair done Every single one of them wanted to be paid in a different way Chimney sweep wanted venmo the roofer guy wanted a check Uh, the sprinkler guy wanted a credit card the the sewer people were like we can we can take multiple ways like It seems but why is that a nightmare to you? No, but I well Because what if I'm not tom merit host of daily tech news show who has all these things? I see everybody's like, hey, can you pay with venmo? You're like, what's venmo? I don't have that Right, you know, and somebody else is like well, I want to check and I'm like Check I don't have a checking account. What do you get from the 1700s? Like it's it's not meshing There's we used to have like cash or check. Those are your only ways to pay then credit cards came along All right cash check or charge, but now we've got 1500 different options out there yeah, it's uh You know, I was just thinking about this and I don't know if this is Holds any water or not, but if there was no such thing as credit cards up till now And let's say we've been tapping and paying with phones and there just was never that interim period where we had credit cards And I know this is a little bit of a stretch, but just hear me out It feels like if somebody tomorrow came out and said guys What if you could pay with this super thin piece of plastic fits in your wallet It's got a little strip on it You can either manually enter the day or you can slice it or you know swipe it on a thing What if you could pay with that? How cool would that be? We'd all go oh, dude, that's so cool a little thin piece of plastic in my wallet and my point is I don't think credit cards are that Uncool and in fact like sarah said a lot of these Advices are already tapping into existing credit cards and so I just wanted to throw that out there because At the end of the day, we've seen them forever So we're kind of sick of them when we think of them as old hat, but they're kind of rad If you think about it this little card Someone did a cute starter for a credit card Uh, it would actually be that one thing that allowed you to have store all your credit cards on a card. It was like Fail, but which it did But no, I what I was going to say is if someone tried to spin this as a as a credit card people would say Why can't I just have that on my phone? Which is what people say about a lot of devices. Well, can I just do that on my phone? I think that's what people want Yeah, I mean and in my alternate history, there's no I don't I don't have enough ground to stand on I don't think but Uh, yes, I think people do want all their stuff on their phone The bigger issue is should the people who make the phones or have their names on the phones Should they be the ones that control the future of this? But or more importantly, why hasn't mastercard? Why hasn't visa why haven't those guys thought further ahead made better deals maybe with these phone manufacturers? Maybe it doesn't matter because ultimately Having that money flowing through the system is what apple and samsung and and google and everybody wants they all want a piece of that So maybe this is just one of those industries that's going to get split whether we like it or not But uh, yeah, it's just weird to think That one day that may those may be all the major names. What do you guys take? Oh, we take amazon google and apple And they used to say we take american express discover and visa It's just a very odd Shift, I think there's Yeah, unless you have to open an apple bank account and a google bank account or what account right take the name Take the word bank out of it That would be really annoying to me Otherwise, it's just a form of taking the money that's only in one place in the beginning. I don't know Or google id to use both so you're basically opening an account of a sort I suppose I suppose Well, I think consolidation is on the way in this arena, so it'll be interesting to watch Well, also very interesting to watch is our sub reddit every day because you sub redditors Give us really good stories You can submit them and vote on others at daily tech news show dot reddit dot com We're also on facebook.com slash groups slash daily tech news show In fact, I posted a cool announcement not one hour ago on our facebook groups We haven't been there in a while go check it out Do that and then email us what you think feedback at daily tech news show dot com and we'll read Some of your responses in the mail bank Correct like the one from joe who wrote in he was agreeing with patrick beige Reservations about google adding saved transcriptions to its call screening feature tom and I were like that's no big deal And he was like, well, I don't know there might be some privacy stuff going on here Joe says I myself can picture a scenario where Calling somebody and being sent to an automated google assistant I may mutter a few choice things while having to interact with yet another phone bought things I would never say to that actual person and having those words transcribed and sent to the collie Alongside my much more carefully worded voicemail yet a little bit of that I thought I was on mute feeling just thinking about it Most people don't consider interactions with amazon's voice assistant or siri or automated phone trees to be conversations And might be unguarded and expressing frustration or asides to other people nearby We know that these are machines or services and not actual people with feelings But I think features like this blur the lines a little bit and may lull people Who don't realize how it works and to say in things that they otherwise wouldn't and have unintended rather effects Maybe you get unfriended too on the recipients It's almost the flip side of the concerns that people had about google duplex potentially Tricking people into thinking was an actual person. Joe says I'd almost prefer that scenario to be the opposite Well, two things duplex is the technology that's making this happen And the other thing is if you know, you're talking to a computer It's all about transparency. If you know that it's going to be transcribed then you won't mutter So and that's kind of where we ended up yesterday is they should make it clear if they don't And also I think important to note is the transcription was already possible. It was just more limited So having something that saved doesn't mean that the person wasn't already seeing you mutter your choice phrases While they screened you in real time Yeah, I'm always reminded that it was 1992 that someone demoed for me I worked for a computer company somebody demoed for me some very early and I think it was microsoft voice tech a dragon something I don't remember That's it and uh It's me occasionally that we are just now seeing the promise of that being fulfilled Yeah, so I just like to point that out. We were once way back. We're just getting there so All these things are possible and more Well, we love it that you make it possible for us to hang out with you every wednesday scott johnson Darn near anyway, uh, let folks know besides hopefully having a really nice Thanksgiving. Uh, what you've been up to Well, uh, I do have a new thing i'm doing that I may as well let people know about because it's actually airing On Thanksgiving unlike most shows I don't have that day But we are doing this one by the request of my co-host and you're like Scott What are you even talking about we're now two episodes in on on our way to a third of a I guess you can call it a couple's cast but for whatever reason for all my time in podcasting kim and I my wife I've never really thought about sitting down and doing something together. 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So now we are it's called skim the scott and kim johnson show and it's on every thursday at 5 p.m Mountain uh live want to watch it that way at frogfans.tv But if you'd rather get it on the podcast frogfans.com slash Skim is where to find it and we're having a really great time and I think people might enjoy it So come check it out and see why I hate hallmark channel christmas movies and why she loves them Uh, christmas prince has a sequel that's not hallmark, but it's netflix Uh, thanks to everybody who supports us on patreon We have a special offer right now for two weeks only if you become a patron or stay a patron between now and December 5th At 12 pacific you'll get a holiday postcard with a special message from one of us on the dts team Remember you have to give us your mailing address to get the card which you can add in your settings Sign up at patreon.com slash dts If you got feedback for us Well, I've got good news because we have an email address and that email address is feedback at daily tech news show Dot com keep in common everybody. We're also live monday through friday at 4 30 p.m Eastern 21 30 utc and you can find out more at daily tech news show dot com slash live again off tomorrow for thanksgiving and friday back monday talk to you then This show is part of the frog pants network. Get more at frog pants dot com Diamond club hopes you have enjoyed this program Hey skim We were talking skim before the show and you just kept nice and quiet that whole time Yeah, I probably should have said something it's been really fun though. Like uh, That's so cool talking the fun people are people are starting to be real funny about it. I'll email in and go Dear kim really enjoy your show with your co-host scott johnson like they're really are giving her the credit and they she deserves it She's very Yeah, that's fun. That's awesome. It's funny because like usually if someone Comes to me but like hey, I've got this idea in my significant. I always say no, don't do it I also don't know how to have successful relationships and you do So that's where I think you guys might have something. That's really that's that's really got some legs All of the protein and none of the fat of the milk of human kindness. That's right. Hey, that's not a bad tagline I'll use that horrible tag Skim we'll keep your teeth strong. There you go. Always drinks mate. Always listen to skim, which makes no sense It does a body good Scott scott It is fun though. Like it's it's a chance for She keeps me real honest as part of the fun So I can't just go off in some weird tangent without her going. All right back it up That's not how that went or this is not who you talk to or whatever And there's something really funny about it. So I don't know What could have been doing this for years? And it just never occurred to me like maybe it was the three children Maybe it could have been we're you know, we were But uh, I think it was just it just never like occurred to me even back in the heyday of couples cast Remember all those days when everybody Showed their their significant other Was the prototype right? Nora that's right and I used to love that stuff. Yeah, I just never thought about it and she But you guys would do great like it's it's funny how maybe time is the is the trick and you know You spend enough time with each other and you you just get to a place where you can riff in a way that Maybe you couldn't 10 years ago. I don't know maybe It would be a terrible idea for me because all we would do is argue Well, so there's some of that for sure like this whole thing We have a podcast that you and I just argue on like that. I know but Yeah Listen, I've been at the backseat of tom and eileen's car as they were trying to find a location Oh, what what's the name of the show roger? I like well, who's in your wallet? Who's in your wallet? Who's in your wallet's pretty good Jpeg is the author of that Uh, some other good ones were recent master are becoming like Doss The world taps and while we swipe The world taps while we swipe Triple haze metacorrected Amazon pays your uncle bob. It's a very is that an english phrase? Okay, when you said that every time anyone says bob's your uncle I I almost say yeah, because I have an uncle bob in it Right. I forgot I I don't I don't understand it Is it english or is it canadian because I've only heard it from canadians, but oh, I've I've heard it from in growing up I've I've heard it But it's one of those phrases where I'm like I don't understand doesn't mean just like there you go and there you go and there you have it There you have your uncle. Yeah, that's probably the name bob is so common that most people would have an uncle bob Maybe dates back in 1887 when british prime minister robert sessel a.k.a lord salisbury Decided to appoint a certain arthur balfour to the prestigious and sensitive post of chief secretary for ireland Because the prime minister bob was his uncle It was used as a catchphrase for you've got it made as if bob were your uncle giving you this amazing post as chief secretary for owner of lord salisbury love steak Only in high school cafeterias The feeling was I love salisbury. He was a hungry man, you know, yeah, he was He had delicious cobbler too. I had a friend the best thing everything else is just a giant salt vehicle, but I had a friend that just got salisbury and he was this tiny little dude and he hated salisbury steak That was his big thing had the last name, but couldn't eat it It's only salisbury ever knew I knew a salisbury Heidi salisbury. Yeah What's that song salisbury something hill on salisbury hill? Oh from uh, pete not peter murphy. It's peter peter gabriel the less well-known portion of uh, genesis peter gabriel not my book I think gabriel's the bomb. Oh, you don't like the drummer now singer frontman now solo disney artist I don't mind him. I just think that peter gabriel was special And it made amazing music and not even with genesis his solo stuff is just insane The lamb lies down on broadway the last great genesis album before peter gabriel I mean, uh, are you a peter gabriel fan to the point where you do not like phil colin's? No, I'll listen to phil colin's. I don't have a problem with it. Yeah, okay some friends of mine Recently went to a phil colin's concert. It was he was here in la And yeah, I posted something on instagram and there were all these comments of people being like I was like, I didn't realize I I know that they both were the like the frontmen You know at different times, but I didn't know that there was like a If you like one you don't like the other It might be because phil colin's used to be the drummer for genesis and they just put him Like he was a good singer. I don't know And phil colin's were in genesis together Then gabriel left and when he left genesis became way more pop So I think a lot of it has to be the one who really likes the more prog rock Years, right and black and phil colin's for making it made it susus studio. Yeah, he's it's a little like I wouldn't it's not a fair comparison, but it's like jefferson aeroplane turning into starship eventually It's like people say look when peter gabriel left genesis. I could feel it coming in the air tonight. Oh lordy Listen phil colin's made some rail bangers. So I don't have an invisible touch Look, I actually one of my favorite disney soundtracks will always be Uh freaking the tarzan soundtrack I think he was the perfect pick for and I love it and I know a lot of people hate think I'm wrong But I love that stuff. So it's fine. It's totally fine. We're not talking maker. That's what that's why he was Susus studio, man It's just the studio was the the the woman's name supposedly Yeah, that was the name of the of the woman's song about the song I didn't know that her name was studio. So studio It's not a really person It's not a real person but for the in the in the context of the song In the context the song studio is the name of a woman. Yes, landom fusion is a great song Billy Billy Yeah, Billy. Don't you lose that number? Oh, it's probably a girl billy or maybe it's There's probably some story there Always losing numbers and it's like Should have been eight six seven five three oh nine that would have made you remember janny janny But the thing the problem with phil colin's is you never had a song as good As peter gabriel's solisbury hill or in your eyes or any of those it was never you never quite reached that kind of awesome And so i'll give gabriel the you know, they just both deserve credit for different things. It's fine In your eyes In your eyes, that's you know what there are a thousand churches in anybody's eyes You're being a little dramatic peter But you know what that movie made I don't even remember the day of the movie Say anything That's the best movie. I always mixed that up with some kind of wonderful because it has a very nondescript I gave her my heart and she gave me this pen. Yep Frazier's dad was in it Just a side note john loney or whatever his name was was in it. You just died rest his soul So john did you died in your arms tonight? Not too long ago It's a cutting remark top Something middle of the everything There's talk of a of a frazier reboot like with all the same characters and he'd be the only one that's not around and down goes frazier I'd watch Frazier was one of those shows where I never I was never going to be like that's my favorite show, but I always enjoyed it Yeah, you'll like it So it was just a very funny show. It was supposed to be a spinoff of cheers, right or no It was in fact a spinoff of cheers Frazier crane from the bar Absolutely Like there was an episode of cheers where frazier left to go to seattle and start a radio show and then the next thing, you know frazier Well, and there were some crossovers like Yeah, Diane showed up and uh, there was one where woody came back and sam showed up like it was always crossover And it's probably the most successful crossover not crossover successful spin-off in the history of tv I think except maybe ash, but that's not the same. That's a movie Yeah, it was I mean frazier ran for No, it was very successful over a decade, right? Yeah successful won lots of awards like was genuinely critically acclaimed fan acclaimed like this doesn't happen very often was It was a vehicle for such a bomb member flow Flow was not a good spinoff as an example. No, I don't remember flow What was the last spinoff of alice? Do you remember alice? Oh, yeah Oh alice. Oh, okay flow kiss my grits. Yeah kiss my grits flow. It was a bad either. How about enus from uh Dukes of hazard very bad terrible That that show kind of kind of went under after this there was that whole contract dispute with the guys who played Bo and luke and they replaced them with their cousins with coins I think you're referring to duke's of hazard now. Yes, duke's of hazard. Sorry Yeah, koi coin vance were the cousins and it was a very bad thing. It was not good Not good, sir That show We're just good old boys never mean to no harm Now i'm in trouble with the law Well, you never saw been in trouble with the law I don't know the actual words Williams Jr So Was it hank williams or was it wailin jenny wailin jenny, sorry I don't know how we got here, but this is great It's a guy it's it's a guy with a beard and a cowboy hat singing country if wailin used to do the little uh, the little Taggouts before they'd go to commercial They do they be jumping over the car in mid jump like i don't know how the duke boys are gonna get out of this one Yeah, they totally did After they crash yet another stunt car and need to get roll on another one shocking. I almost swallowed my gum Yeah, he's still love that But it was all filmed in the same back hills of california that they filmed uh But what was interesting is that uh, I wondered why The hazard county never had paved roads because all the roads seem to be dirt something you could jump off It seemed like The town was filled with convenient points to launch the car into the air Watch the walking dead, but absolutely what all of georgia looks like All of it all of it all of it every bit of it I never um, watched the dukes of hazard Oh, I know I think I was a little too young, so I probably wasn't allowed to And then I yeah when it was like, I don't know Went into reruns. It was like It is very much a show of its time Yeah, I don't know that a car with a confederate flag on it would fly today. Well It was vaguely racism without controversy if someone well the only black guy I remember on the show was the sheriff from the neighboring county. Yep. He'd come visit sometimes Well, they did have the dukes of hazard movie that was not that long ago So how did they how did they tackle some of these they have the generally the Yeah, they did and they had a lot of black people in the movie We just saw for film sack and it was it's actually older than you think it was 2004, which I know Okay, so yeah, that sounds about right because jessica simpson wasn't in and she was at she was like real big deal She was at peak simpson. You peak simpson. Is she daisy? Yeah. Yeah, she was daisy and uh, uh, uncle jesse was um, uh Say sings uh, don't momma's don't let your bed willy nelson. That's who it was the guy was married to Rebecca romaine Uncle jesson John stamos was in it. Yeah weren't they married? They were Rebecca mermain stamos just goes by her. She's romaine now and she's very deadly. I hear on the next Yeah, she's murdering people even if you wash it still you can't wash for berbeca romaine enough and still not get sick So be careful everybody It's it's not funny. I don't know why I'm laughing because It's not either I'll agree But yet somehow it is. I don't know why She suffered and got sick and died. It's not it's actually not a laughing matter, but no the idea that she might take it up with Rebecca. I mean, what's her problem? Exactly your company is putting people making people ill who Reb no, it's a Rebecca romaine. Oh, oh, oh, I think you said a company. I missed it No, I did that's all you did the Rebecca romaine lettuce company of Dearborn, michigan nailed nailed it well, I Just scanned my most recent google alerts for my name I don't know if you guys even do that if you did or still do um, I just never turned it off and I'm officially never in them anymore It's all streets where something terrible happened or perhaps a house is for sale on a sarah lane Oh Oh interesting like it's actually become kind of interesting where I'm like, oh, Milwaukee. All right sarah lane up there too Something bad happened up there. So sorry. I wonder boulevard can be a last name Joe boulevard. Yeah, why not? For me, it's usually a fight with this, uh Australian rugby coach with my name I always get it with no offer of today's amazon press release about the new amazon voices is tom maryl. Yes Finally Right another tom maryl. I don't I don't get my whole name. I just get roger and the first letter c and I get a lot of emails Well, what I get is that we're wrapping up the video. Uh, so we want to say goodbye to them But what you should also get is if you're on the discord or listening to good day internet stick around. There's more to come