 A very good morning to you. Thank you very much for keeping it Y in the morning. This is Y254. We are coming to you live from the broadcasting house here in Nairobi, Kenya. My name is Ram Maguco. We are also live on our website at www.kbc.co.ke. Fourth Lash Y254. It is the 30th of August 2021. We have a lot in store for you this particular Monday. Oh, he's not alone. I'm also here. My name is Ankara Kayesu, and we are here to light your week and day. Welcome to watch Y in the morning, and we are rolling out starting in style. Yes, and we have a lot in store for you, including a conversation on youth and politics. On my end of the conversation today, we shall talk about politics and youth in leadership. Businessman Jimmy Wanjiggy has urged Honorable Raila Odinga to step aside from politics. What does this mean for the youth? He urges the youth to pick up the mantle, to take up leadership, and to pick up roles in the society. What do you think? Are youths ready to take up these roles as leaders in the country, as Honorable Members, in different positions? Senators, Governors, MCAs. What is the role of youth in changing the society? This is the conversation that we shall be having this particular Monday morning, including a conversation on a review, actually, on the People Daily, which I have a newspaper review with me. I have a copy of the People Daily, and it is headlined there, the BBI Offence. Later, after this, after the political conversation, it will have like an extension of this to see if youths are really ready for leadership. Because no leadership is working for others. You don't only work for yourself. So you need to start now and know if there's anything you are doing to help the community service. Is there anything in particular you do to help the community? How are you making your hood better? Is your village better because you are? I know you went to school Kedogo compared to maybe somebody who didn't, or maybe somebody who is nowhere. The fact that you are watching us, you're watching White 54 means you can understand this language. Some people don't. But now you, who is privileged? Are you helping in any way? What exactly are you doing? I know this conversation is already on our social media platform. So what you do, slide there. Leave a comment on our Twitter or Facebook page, which is at White 54. Then we will read it at the end of this all. But now, Rama, I think we start with this paper. Let's start with the review. We'll then need to review us starting now and get engaged with us at Ram and Go. And that's Sankara KS. Thank you so much. At White 54, always, the hashtag is one in the morning. Engage with us. Let's start with the BBI offense that is in the headlines this particular Monday morning. On the front center, actually on the front page, at the center, we have which way? It is headline there. Which way? That's the question. Now, it's in regards to the second time. Governors who embraced the law, the law change by with the hope of landing jobs in the proposed expanded cabinet go back to drawing boards for plan Bs. And picture there. We have governors of Machakos, Dr. Alfred Mutua, the governor of Mambasa, Ali Hassan Joho, Kaka Mega Governor, Wycliffe Oparanya, Glyphi Governor, Amazon Kingi, Wasengishu Governor, Jackson Mandago. We have also Busia Governor, Sospita Ojamong and many other governors that we are talking about here who are included in this conversation. That story continues on page eight of the People Daily BBI offense. Remember, this comes after a ruling that was made by the high by this High Court. Now, second time governors who had pegged their hopes of remaining politically afloat after the 2022 general elections on the implementation of the BBI have now been forced back to the drawing board following the recent judgment through the passage on an implementation of the Constitutional Amendment 2020 Bill. The governors whose time comes to an end next year had hoped to benefit from an expanded executive. Now the bill, that is the BBI, which was buried by the Court of Appeal a week ago, had proposed the appointment of Ministers from both inside and outside parliament, which is a move that had enticed the 21 retiring governors to support their then anticipated constitutional referendum. Now, Machakos Governor, Dr. Alfred Mutua, who is serving his last time, said some of his colleagues must make decisions based on the current reality. And I quote, it is the new reality that all of us must review our previous strategies based on it. The judgment on BBI requires us to go back to the drawing board and make it and make in individualized decisions. And of course, as Governor Alfred Mutua said, who maintained that his presidential ambitions are still on course. The second time, county chiefs who had hoped to remain politically afloat after the 2022 after 2022 have had to review their strategies. The question is, what next for these governors governor back to drawing board after BBI collapse? You know, there's something about these governors that you need to know that they are very vibrant politicians on their second term. It means they cannot buy for governorship again. They cannot buy for material seats again, but they have big support base. I can equate it to my home governor, who won two terms. So he has a very big political base, but it's like the only position you can go to now is presidency. And they are 47 of them. They feel that if they go back to buying as senators, they will like calm down. It will they view senatorial positions as being inferior to that of governorship. So the only thing they want to do or they think is above being a governor is is being president. But now there are people who want to be president who have been vying for presidency and their chances are slim. So they were hoping that BBI will create more seats so that so that they would scramble for that seat. So that is the dilemma now for most of them. For example, governor Machak, no, Kaka mega governor, weekly for Paranya had stated that he wanted to vie for presidency, but he stepped down in honor of Honorable Isla of Dengar. But now the question is what will he vie for next, considering the BBI ruling by the court of appeal? Remember, this ruling came after the high court had already passed the same ruling. Now it went to the court of appeal. Someone like Machak was governor after mature. Yeah, he's still going to vie for presidency. The question is what are his chances considering his opponents. We also have people who are vying for presidency that are considered to be well off in terms of the masses and the numbers. You know, even I've mentioned about my governor, he's also saying that he's going to vie for presidency. So it's like most of them. But you know, BBI would solve this because BBI was creating more executive posts like Prime Minister, Deputy Prime Minister. So some of them would be slaughtered there. Now that there is no BBI or let's say before it was taken to appeal to Supreme Court and all that, there is a real dilemma for them. But I hope it will be solved because we still have about one year to elections. Six or seven months from now, things shall have fallen in their right position. So according to the people daily, they move by the appellate judges to uphold the annulment of this particular bill that is BBI by the High Court definitely dealt with a major blow to the governors who had high hopes of serving as deputy prime ministers or cabinet ministers by running for parliament seats. So if you're looking at parliamentary seats, you also have Senate seat. Do we have some who will opt for the senatorial seats that will decide not to vie? The senatorial seat now is the Asia fallback. The Asia. But what most of them view this as an inferior post, you know, there's no much resource allocation to that seat. They don't control resources. What they do is like they are like miniapara supervisors of the governors, supervisors of the governors. While in real sense, you supervise what you yourself don't have, you know, it's only practical when you are supervising me, then maybe you get salary more than me or you control resources more than me. But now you are supervising one who controls resources more than you and who looks like is superior than you. So that's why they are avoiding. Some of them are avoiding senatorial post. And some will opt for positions like they want to develop for CSS or other. Yeah, that is the most of them. That is now what they are going to. But you know, you should be politically correct now for you to be a CS in the next government. If maybe Rai Laudinga will take it and pick the CSS who are loyal to him now will help him campaign now. If it's a deputy president, you have to be loyal to him now for you to be. And you know it, you can't predict it. How sure are you that you are going to be picked as a CS? And what are you going to buy for now? That is the elephant in the room. And at the same time, some may opt to just retire. Because now, if there are no seats, some may opt to retire. But the young people, Mandago is very young, twice young. We turned 51 just the other day. 51 is a very young age in politics. So in fact, you hear them calling themselves youth. We will get to this Wanjigi story. Who is telling Rai Laudinga to step down for the youth. So it's like presumably calling himself youth because he is vying. He wants to be a president or not DMT get. So the question is, is Wanjigi a youth? But I think we are going to get to that when we get to that story. Picture on your screen there. You can see just a few more governors that are on your screen there. Actually, we have these are senators. We have second term governors who had been linked to parliamentary seats include Elgeo Marraquet, Alex Torgos, Jackson Mandago of Wanjigi, who may opt for the Senate seat, Paul Cepcon of Kerricho, who reportedly planned to swap with Senator Aaron Chariot, Boussia's source Peter Ojamong, who is said to have confided to his ministers that he would contest for Tesso's seat, Ocotho Bado of Migori and Narax Samuel Tunae. You can see they are pictured on your screen there. Honorable Alex Torgos, Honorable Ocotho Bado, Honorable Mwangi Wairia, James Ongwai, Honorable Patrick Haimba, Honorable Paul Cepcon. These are people who may need to reconsider their positions come 2022. Well, other governors serving their final terms include James Ongwai, who was who is also who is pictured there, who had been angling himself for key political role in the Goosey community. Patrick Haimba of Transoya, Cornel Rasang of Siaia, Moses Lenolkulal of Samburu, John Nyangarama of Nyamira, Ali Roba of Mandera and Ambu's Martin Wombora, who are yet to hint on their next political move. No, no, no, the question is actually for for most of these people, they may need to reconsider their roles, the roles that they played during the time of their during their tenure, when they were still in power. For example, Sia governor, he may need to check, has he brought any changes in Sia account? Has he delivered? Samburu governor, has he delivered? You know, if you look at Kericho, have they delivered? And these are the some of the things that will affect their elections. So who do you think will check that for them? Because they all think that they have delivered. They all know, according to, like if somebody maybe built just about five dispensaries, he will pick their campaign on that, that I built five dispensaries. Now it will depend on what exactly they want. The elephant in the room is that they are very many, they are very many, you know, they're about 40, I think not many, most of the governors made it to second term, most of them. So about 40 or 30 something of them are retiring from being governor, from governorship. So their problem is now where they are all going to fit. Somebody like Rasanga, okay, okay, Kothobadu said he wants to be president, yes, his own party. In fact, most of them now have their own parties, like the Mandelao chap chap guy, they have their own parties and they want to be president. Just to position themselves, their maths, according to me, is that they want to make coalition with the winning parties, they want to see who is winning and then they make coalitions with them. The challenge is that now how are they going to make, like the DPD president has said that he doesn't want coalitions. If you want to join him, then join him, yeah, that is the challenge on those who want to join on the DPD president side. So for these people are making their own parties so that they make coalition with you, they support you, you consider them for position when, when you get to the state house and all that. Let's also turn on to page five, these are stories that are still concerning parties on what you have mentioned, sort of the DPD president, William Ruto, on page five of the People Daily, there is an interesting story there. I don't care who guards me, says Honorable Ruto. It has started on the front page, but I think he cares. You can maybe read for us and we see what is there. Well, the DPD president but tracks on demands to have the general service unit contingent attached to his residence reinstated says that he is comfortable with any security information. He doesn't care who backs him, he doesn't care who guards him, as long as he knows that he is, you know, supported by the Hassler Nation, he is behind the Hassler Nation. Century changes do not bother me, says Honorable Ruto. That is a story that is on page five of the People Daily, coming up on your screen there. DPD president William Ruto yesterday backtracked on his demands to have the government reinstate the GSU that is a general service unit contingent attached to him, saying that he was comfortable being guarded by any security information. Speaking at St. Augustine Catholic Church in Bahati, Nakuru County, during a church service yesterday, Ruto said that he, that the debate surrounding the changes of the GSU officers attached to his private residences last week was, and I quote, none issues, was a none issue, end of quote. Now which Cajun should not waste time talking about? I think otherwise he cares. If he didn't care, honestly, honestly if he didn't care you'd have not even informed us that the security has been changed. We got it from him and his contingent that the security has been changed. So if he didn't care I could just get silent when they were changed. So I think honestly, I think he cares. Can you see a picture on your screen there? We have Father Cleopas Osiru, who welcomes the deputy president William Ruto and Bahati, member of parliament, Kimani Ngunjiri for a holy mass at St. Augustine Catholic Church in Nakuru County that is in Bahati. You can see that picture down at the top right corner of your screen there. However, Senator Susan Kehiga warned that Muhtyam Bai, warned Muhtyam Bai saying he will be held accountable if anything happens through the deputy president after last week's events where his security was significantly cut. Well according to the deputy president, and I quote, let me quote what he said, he said that I want to ask you canyons, the deputy president is just one individual, we want to focus on how we can transform the country. Millions of young people are jobless, treacherous, suffering and cannot access loans. That's like what I meant earlier on. His focus is on the hustler. Yeah, bottom up strategy of what, by the way somebody was saying that removing GSU in his security and replacing with the AP. It's nothing, it's just bottom up strategy of security. Bottom up strategy of security. Yeah, there was another that was sent to the IG Muhtyam Bai. By who? From Muhto's office. It was addressed to the Inspector General of Police, Hendi Hilary Muhtyam Bai. Ruto, through his Chief of Staff, that is Ken Osinde. They questioned the changes suggesting that the AP contingent might have been sent to his home with an ulterior motive. But now, now can you marry it with the, what we just said that he doesn't care who guards him? Why does he? Yes, he doesn't, he still doesn't. But why is he writing to complain? But the motive, we should be concerned about the motive, but he doesn't care who guards him. It's okay, whichever, whoever guards him is okay. That's what he says. Then he could have just left the transfers to be what they are because even if they bring NYS people to him, to guard him, it's okay with him. It's okay with him. But that's what you think about this story. Deputy President says that the debate on replacement of the GSU officers at his residence is an un-issue. What do you think about that? Is it an un-issue? Is it something that should concern him? Or is his heart in the right place? The hashtag is on in the morning. We have talked enough about the Deputy President. Why don't we do the story on page four, or the other page five, about Wangigui and Mudavadi. And I think we do page four first, page four. Rayela Mudavadi, bark one man, one vote system. And I want to read a little. Presidents hopeful say, formula would enable Mount Kenya people to enjoy share of their national kek. Little about it, so that's all in democratic movement leader Rayela Odinga and his many national congress NC counterpart. Musale Mudavadi yesterday took the battle to the mount to Muranga and Kiambu counties respectively where they separately sought support ahead of 2022 general election. While Rayela was in Kigumo in Muranga County, Mudavadi pitched 10 things, Gidonguri in Kiambu County. Both leaders used the church function to emphasize on the one man, one vote, one shelling system as a resource allocation which was proposed by the building bridges initiative document which was declared unconstitutional by the court of appeal recently. So Rayela who attended the Bible Fellowship Church in Kangari Township in Kigumo constituency stepped up the vote hunting mission as he took dig in deputy president William Ruto who accused of criticizing the government he serves. In a thinly veiled attack, Rayela said the jubilee administration has been pledged by the disunity saying I want to look for a part that where Mudavadi also okay here. The second line NC leader say the electoral boundary changes would require reflection that the function of electoral independent electoral boundary commission in light of this and without the change of the constitution new boundaries would be created in line of the number of people per constituency. So you see these people are campaigning at the mount and they are pledging that what BBI was proposing you know BBI was adding the mount and region a lot of constituencies because they were using the formula of one man one vote one shilling. Now you know it's not going to take place because BBI was down was thrown out as unconstitutional by the high and appeal court court of appeal. Now they are going to campaign they are saying they will reinstate it in fact Mudavadi is pledging that once he gets to the office of the presidency he will create more constituencies. So I don't know what you think about this story at the picture you can see the RMS chairman that is SK is there with the Rayla Odinga and the Kigumo MP Ruth Mwanyiki they are in the church I think they are singing they are holding some papers here I think they are singing or something but now they are in the central. You know this conversation is all about you know what you are saying Honorable Musale Mudavadi was mentioning that the issue of boundaries is not about the BBI it is about the IEBC and it is about it is a function of the IEBC to look at the demarcations that are there. Honorable Odinga mentioned that he doesn't vouch for people voting or people getting into the tribal lines and Kenyans separating themselves in terms of tribe but if that is the case if the issue of constituencies and dividing the country in terms of the positions of different areas and the sizes and everything's function of the IEBC then that conversation is definitely going to happen very very very soon. But okay let's see what happens because they have they have pledged they have pledged that once there then they will create so let them create yeah and that is what I think the mountain once that's why they voted for the VBI it was expected that because it is perceived that central was now deputy president stronghold it was expected that they felt BBI that they would reject BBI but all the county assemblies from the central accepted the BBI and the experts say they accepted it because they they wanted more constituencies created so that the resources be shared on one man one vote one ceiling basis but that's that Tell us what you think from whom is the issue of the electoral boundaries and issue that requires a referendum or is it a function of the IEBC well according to Honorable Muslim Davide this can happen this can take place the IEBC can take charge in the regards to this they can get the forefront because that is the work it is independent electoral and boundaries. They were giving so also and when on the initial stages of BBI that it is their work I mean talking about IEBC they were saying it is our work to review the constituencies not BBI's work but it is it is it is it is the work of the IEBC but now this conversation I think it was it was mixed up it became a whole cobweb we you know considering that the BBI now came in play and now they're talking about the the different positions that are going to be added and then it became a whole cobweb now I think I just need to understand the difference between the roles of the IEBC can you see to know what is the role of the IEBC also find out what is the difference between what the BBI is proposing and the role of the IEBC yeah I also honestly think that's my opinion that they should let IEBC do it and IEBC should also not be waiting for BBI to start doing it is when they start claiming that it is their work I think by now we should see IEBC doing efforts to help create more constituencies when next will they review because IEBC I think also play sleeping on the job why are they what are they waiting why don't they start reviewing because I think the boundaries should be constitutionally should be reviewed after every 10 years but now 10 years are relaxing and we are not seeing anything happening at IEBC about the boundary review like my constituencies very big very big with around 200,000 voters and even BBI didn't propose to divide it to give us a new constituency so that's why I love science because IEBC would use scientific methods to divide it say how many people are here how many people should be there in one constituency how do we divide it or how do we merge it there was even proposals of merging some constituencies because they are small but the question is from whom tell us do you support the one man one vote system one man one vote do you support that the hashtag as always is why in the morning a tram a guko not some Karakai yes and give us this Wanjiki story yeah there is a story on Wanjiki yes that is the interesting part they are on page five of the People Daily at the bottom Wanjiki asks Rila to quit remember this is in regards to politics businessmen and Jimmy Wanjiki yesterday urged the Audium Leader Rila Diga to quit politics speaking at St. Peter's SHK church in Nyeri Wanjiki said it was time for young people to assume the country's leadership and I quote the challenges we are facing as a country need people with a different world view end of quote is what he said urging young people to step up and challenge the old God and have that have clung to power for decades honorable and now Wanjiki who has declared his intention to challenge Rila for the Audium Presidential ticket during the party's nomination said time for the second liberation heroes to exit the political stage has come and gives space to young and vibrant soldiers for the battle ahead now the question is are you ready well according acknowledging Rila's contribution to the country's liberation struggle Wanjiki said it was time for the veteran opposition leader to retire from politics alongside fellow presidential candidates including Deputy President William Brutal A&C Leader Musale Mudavadi wipe and wipe my question the question I initially asked is who are the young people now you know young people is relative what is the parameter of measuring who is young and who is not young because I know this noble Kenyan want to be president also so I don't know who he wants Rila to live for but you see who do you think he is his argument his argument is that Rila has been in government since 1992 Kalonzo Musioka has been around since 1985 Musale Mudavadi has been around since 1989 while Luto has been around since 1992 these guys according to Honora Bolanjiki he said that these guys have been there for over 30 years in this time they quit the stage to where so technically they have been around like since before some of people watch some people even in here at Wairofa for a moment for over 30 years over 30 years yeah they have been just in the scene and how how old is our multi-party democracy I think it's around multi-party came around 1992 from 92 to now it's around 29 years yeah so these people have been around since multi-party democracy system but even people like who wasn't there who now wants to be president who wasn't there by then who wants to be president they were all there they could be maybe not in active politics or something but definitely they were there so if we're speaking of young people let's speak of maybe those who are in the those who just entered politics who are just active now in the politics people like my former chairman Babu Oweno people like I know Sakaja is also young but now people like that but when you are over 50 and you are claiming to be young I think there's a problem or maybe there's a there's political age or something you know you know the question is so maybe it's talking about political even if you talk about youths taking up the mantle my worry has been just one thing you know it's easy to talk about something when you are on the outside it's easy to critic and actually criticize and not critique because some some criticize some don't critique majority yeah and it is so easy to to throw stones when you're not in the building when you've not put on that shoe to find out how fitting it can be and whether there are stones inside whether it's pinching and some of these youth leaders get into politics and they get assimilated they get get conformed into the patterns that they once were standing against and it is so interesting to see a youth leader standing in parliament representing something that they once vowed to stand against it's called compromise compromise yes and we we talk of youth taking up leadership yet at the end of the day they end up doing the opposite of what they used to say during their campaigns yeah so think age should also come with maybe ideology not just physical age if you have an ideology that you stand against something then you should be consistent with it there are people who are maybe old but they have a stand they have principles they are not compromisable it's true that there are people who are elected on the platform of age that they are young we are taking one of us the youth taking one of them to the parliament and all that then they end up behaving like these old crooks who have a mindset of let us it's our time to eat mentality and all that or just being there valuable for buying and selling so that is what I think we should we should run from but the question is should our youths you know pick up the mantle stand up against the things that they are seeing against the political unfairness that some of them claim to see in the current leadership is it the right time is it high time is it the right time for the youths to even take up pick up the mantle as Honourable Jiggy is saying that you know he wants to pick up the mantle I say Honourable because now he's vying for presidents or once you show the interest you become a Honourable brother this is Kenya oh yeah I heard even somebody vying for MCA in our area calling himself Honourable yeah he should he's an Honourable member he's an Honourable member I think Honourable they are using they're misusing this title just the same way people use doctor you know some people some musicians from my area call themselves Doctor Doctor and today they are not medical doctors and they don't have PhDs so you wonder where they got the title from now Moshi Mewa is becoming another he will take up that title if today I am with you and you'll just call me Rama Guko you'll just call me Rama yes tomorrow if I vying for a seat it will change to Honourable what if you don't get it what if you don't get it I will still maintain Honourable but you are not I will still be that was just the end of this conversation on the release of a review thank you very much for being part of us we are taking a short break we'll be back in a bit we still have more in store for you keep engaging with us on our social media platforms the hashtag is why in the morning at Ram Aguko and at Sankara Kaisu later on we are talking about what exactly oh I want to get the real question so that I read it but we are going to talk about what the youths are now doing what the youths what exactly they are doing to make sure that they are helping they are they have started leadership you are not given what you don't do what you don't do so one day one day so what exactly are you doing now to help your hood to help your community even in a small way Matt McGandney says if you cannot do great things then do small things in a great way yes if you cannot do great things do small things in a great way so what are you doing in a great way now however small it is what is it that you're doing interesting engage with us let's take a dot brick we are back in a minute this is why it's the morning