 is you know since you're still connected here I would like to ask you some questions so what I've been doing in the over the past minutes I've been collecting some individual questions from people and just try to centralize them here then I wrote them in the chat and since you're still here I would like to start with your questions first and then we switch to Andrea so the questions for you is basically can we talk about RRI open science open access governance and enforcement in such a decentralized institution like the open university or rather the research teams see an actual benefit and there is no need for a top-down approach. I think and based also that from what we heard from Andrea Riggio earlier I think that I could not say that like what we did is something that works perfect and I think that we need to join forces and do this in both ways and it is true that what we did is the way that we did it was a decentralized way and it worked for our case but it worked for a specific for this specific group that we dealt with and nonetheless we were not we did not have the opportunity to spread this war with others within the institution so yes we managed to do this in a way where publishers could get benefited researchers could get benefited but then we are missing the researchers from our own institution so I suppose that this should have been done in two ways super this is very very good and it also links with the very nice comment from Katerina below in the chat and she's talking about the actual institutional change and of course there are quite a lot of obstacles especially in your case to the decentralization but still it is a very good step forward okay thank you very much Nancy I would like to move back now to Andrea and we have some questions for you welcome back so the questions are listed as you can see here in the chat in the sense that what were the main blockers were there any conflicting goals in the process and is RRI enough to solve all the challenges or something more than that is needed thanks for this very easy question well I don't know if I am all the answers especially about the role of RRI but what's for sure is that there were for sure blockers first of all one of the blockers is cultural so it means that due to the fact that there is a lot of bureaucracy now what they at least in Italian university one of the blockers should make them available easy for them easy to understand that they were not working on some administrative issues but they were really working on their like research matters so they're deeply working on something that belonged to us more than to me because I'm an administrative staff for the university so that was one of the first blocker that that derives from the cultural organization another blogger blocker for sure is time is times of organization because while you want to achieve a goal and you set a certain time for achieving it that deals with like your human efforts so I can do these guidelines in 10 days and so on then you have the time of organization that means time for approval time for like having ear different but necessary voices about that just having for example an appointment with director could be somehow hard in our university because consider that we have like 59 departments more than 300 professors and so on so timing mismatch is another problem because we have a natural time and an institutional time that sometimes are in conflict and this could be probably the conflicting not goals but the main conflict that we had and on the other hand I do believe that even because we are not supported by our national system just consider that RRI was mentioned just in one document from our ministry for university in 2014 during a conference about RRI so there are there's not a national system supporting us in doing that so there is still some reluctancy in understanding these words what I can see on the other hand is that the degree of change is huge and probably also Adrienne and Nancy could have seen this somehow concretely because when we started I always came to the meetings and involved like engineers in this and I was sure that like in the first meeting they were looking at me puzzled saying come on this is like a lot of unuseful things and day after day year after year now they are somehow committed and they are the best evangelists of our RRI we could have so that's another that's more or less what we can say in terms of bloggers and conflicting goals on the other hand well RRI is not enough RRI for sure is an important part because one of the main assumption of our experiments and in general the fit for RRI is that science is in a big crisis in this moment an institutional crisis because time years have passed and all these big institutions are in crisis so we do need to recover like this crisis of trust that we have for example towards citizenship and we should do several different things to achieve this one of these could be sure working on responsibility in a in a broader sense so for example working on societal engagement because people are more and more stimulated to contribute by for example on social networks and so on so we have to take like the good part of this attitude and transform it in something that could support trust in institutions just that that's one of the examples but for sure RRI is not enough but if we see at RRI in a broader sense and not only according to a list of five keys but a way of behaving recorded and written down so far I would like to thank you very much and I thank you for this very very good presentation and also to thank very much the audience and the experiment and the webinar organization team and I would just like to mention that all the recordings and the presentations will be made available on the foster platform so the link is basically down here in the chat so everyone who is interested of course you can share this to your entire network so thank you very much to everyone wishing you a very productive year and keep in touch with us and with all of the RRI and open science work thank you very much thank you bye