 Fantastic on Sati, I really enjoyed the game, I'm sat in the park end and I'm getting totally fed up with the library song. I know, but we're getting fantastic banners, these lads in the Gladys Street, they're trying their best to do a fantastic job. We've got some of the best banners in the whole, you know, in the Premiership, some of these things they're coming up with. But we can't hear a dicky bit, the club's got to get a grip with the supporters and we've also got to get cracking ourselves. I'm sat there, I'm 60 years of age, I'm doing my best to get just a little group around us to start singing and they just sit there looking at you. We go to the game not just to watch but to take part, don't we? Well we should do, yeah. That's our job, you know, we talk about the 12th man, that's what we are, that's why we go to live sport events, you know, to feel that you're part of it. I agree mate. I just don't get it. I don't adhere to this thing where people say, well we're sitting down now and it's gone, you know, that's in the past. You go to nearly every other Premiership ground and some of the noise, look at Lester. I disagree with you, I think the atmosphere around the Premier League is terrible, I think a lot of places are terrible and that doesn't justify everything. I think a lot of the grounds are terrible. Lester is good, I agree with you on Lester. But I do believe that a lot of grounds are poor and I think, I do believe sitting down is one of the reasons and I think once safe standing is brought in, I think that will make a big difference. But don't you think as well, the kickoff time is going up as well, half 12. They're all the same, aren't they? You go in and you just feel like you haven't got your day going. And I do agree, the atmosphere, certainly Saturday was very, very poor and I think, but I honestly just don't know what we can do about it. I just feel like we've all been conditioned in the last 20 years to just come into a ground and sit down and just become spectators rather than, like you said, be fans and get involved. And I think there's going to have to be a mentality change and I do believe standing safe standing will be the thing that really moves it on because I think that anytime something happens like singing sections and all this kind of thing, they're all sort of short lived because it needs everyone to get involved. But I don't even think that everyone's going to get involved until, see for me, when they said the singing section was going to happen, for me, you take it seriously and you put it right in the middle of the galaxy and you say, that's it. But they didn't push them right to a corner and then they told them all to sit down and stewards were coming over and they weren't letting them actually be a singing section. If you've got, first of all, if you've got a place right in the middle of the ground, right in the middle of the galaxy, I think that would make a difference. But I also think when standing comes in and that's a real thing and those fans don't have to worry about sitting down or anyone. I mean, you are at the match on Saturday and I know you probably have to do it legally. But I'm going to tell fans to sit down. That football has moved on now. We've been to those grounds, we've been to Schubert, to Germany and I know it's going to come in soon, but the sooner it comes in the better because I feel like once you've got that section where fans know they are going to be standing the whole game, the atmosphere will start building. But I just don't think until that actually happens there's very little we can do by just, do you know what I mean? Just by moaning at other fans to do something about it. Fans won't because it's just all been conditioned. I walk in and I'm in the garden seat and I'm sitting down and I hadn't even had anything sweet when I got into the ground and I just sat there and watched it and it needs a group of people and I think it'll happen. I just don't think it's going to happen yet. But I honestly feel like it's a, I'm feels the same me. I'm feels once you get past that first five minutes of you know, the stuff they do, they all sit down, the banners go away and it's quiet. And I think Liverpool fans will tell you that as well me. I think it's going to come, I just don't think it's quiet here yet. Yeah, I just feel that you know, it is part of us wanting to push on. Yeah, you know, they're talking about transferring this atmosphere, the special atmosphere of Goodison Park to Bramley Mordow. You've got to get this special atmosphere back. Even at night games now, even at night games, it doesn't feel the same either anymore. I don't know what the answer is, but the club's got to do something. I'll be honest though, I don't know what, apart from what I've just said there, I don't know what the club can actually do. I think, don't get me wrong, I think it comes down to, there are certain things they have to abide to in terms of fans sitting down. I don't know, are they allowed to be a little, see what makes me laugh is, you know, it's stupid. You watch away fans sometimes when they come and they hold you away and stand. And I've been to away games, they stay easy here as well and they'll back me up on this. When fans go to away games, they tend to stand for the entire game and make noise. Because you're part of a small group and you feel like you're in together. And I feel like that's what has to happen at Goodison and at Bramley Mordow. There has to be a small section of fans who are there all game singing and trying to get it. And then it becomes, it ripples around the ground then. But if it doesn't start there in the greatest heat, because the fans are conditioned though, because it's like Saturday with R-12 and it's fans, you're just walking in and you're like, oh God, that's tough, kick off, blah, blah, blah. There has to be something. I just think that the club, you're right, they think the club needs to do. And this is where we're a little bit, because we are hopefully in our last two or three seasons. They're probably like, well, is it really worth doing anything? But like you've just said, if they want to take a special atmosphere to Bramley Mordow, then we need to create that special atmosphere more often. So give the fans the tools. And I think that's the only thing that you're right in that, that's what the club can do. And I know the originals are talking to the club about this. It's about getting on the same page. And you know what? We might have to upset a small section of other Nevitonians. But that's easy for me, sitting here, saying to a fan, well, you're going to have to move. It's easy in theory, in practice, it's a little bit more difficult, isn't it? I understand what you're saying about getting the group, sorry jumping in. I understand about you saying you're getting the group central and everything. But you know, the little group that is at the corner, they're not trying, they're singing. No, they aren't. Why isn't the rest of the Gladys Street joining in now? I'll be honest, I didn't hear that section of that. That's what I don't hear. I didn't hear. You know what I mean? No, why are the parkings singing then? That's the biggest thing for me, you need one to either end. You know, you get a little group star, but everybody... I blame the other bullens. I blame the other bullens. I blame the other bullens. I blame the other bullens. Shouting and screaming, spouting and screaming in my area, what looks at me then am I? But I don't care because it's about, you should be doing that making a hostile for the Owaiti and the Faris. I'll be honest. I very I can't really hear that singing section and I don't sit that far away from them And I'm not that's not a criticism of those lads what I'm saying is for me They should be right in the middle so that the noise Echoes both ways and goes out and it is a whole section They should be they should have been those those lads should be empowered and this is this is where we We know this is nearly a year since we went to Germany But the way they are over there they are empowered by the club they're empowered by the SLOs The support of the Asian officers We've got a fans forum which I think is just a joke because it's great doing all these little things and looking after certain things But the SLOs of Dortmund the seven of them I think it was and they come round the ground and they look after the fans And they're the body of between the club and the fans and they get in there and solve all the problems before The club has to and for me And it might I think what the club are doing is like well, it will sort this out when we go to a new ground But you're right. We want it. We want we want memories while we're at Goddison We're going to be here for at least two more seasons three more seasons We want to have great nights and good memories and that'll become organically because if ever they're playing big games The atmosphere will be there of course it will and I think the last season it'll be there when people nail us For me, I think think the club has to get Smart about this and say, you know what? We're going to give you a section And and I've had this before I've spoken to the club about this and I've said, you know if say standing comes in Are you going to bring it in and they're like, no, there's no point. Well, I think there is a point I think for one season Everton if it's the last season everton should bring say stand them back So a section of the Gladys Street And say to everyone in that section. Do you want to stay there or can we find you seats elsewhere? And yeah, and do it that way and don't go. Oh, no, because this is one of my Sorry Exactly and that's that was my point my point was I said I said in the summer somebody wake there ever and you were like Oh, we're getting all the lounges done up and they're going to be amazing and blah blah blah I'm a putting mega fun on the outside. I was like, well, it's safe standing comes in. Are you going to bring that? No, there's no point What what so it's fine for the corporate people to have better corporate facilities But it's not better for normal regular fans who pay their hard-earned money And who want to have these singers who want to have safe standards to have safe standards? No, no But who wants to have safe standing but not it but not a good supply. No, but I'm saying who wants it I think there's I think there's definitely people who want it. Definitely people You're basically just struggling to get it under people. Yeah, yeah, because of the stuff in the corner I think You know, we were I love Germany. It was amazing. Derek knows what Germany's like as well and things like that It's absolutely brilliant. But I just don't think economically. What's the point? I agree with everything It's not always about economics though. Is it it's about like Derek's run go for to get that atmosphere and get try and get the place going Well, you should you should need to be in the safe stand a bit to sing should be singing anyway Everyone should be singing. Are you singing in your seat? I'm putting a crash cutting a barrier in front of your seat won't make you sing But I'm not gonna go in the singing section. That's the point. I'm not asking for that What I'm saying is that there will be lads who go to match you go to away games Who start all these songs these brilliant songs that you hear off the back of coaches and go to the away games And he filter into the home games They're the lads who want to go and want to be part of that. You're right. How many of them? We don't know How how big does a section have to be for for for it? That's what I'm saying. It doesn't have to be to the whole of gt far Gt3 say it could be so many rows towards the back of gt3 or to the front and put a little lip on it So the people behind them can see I don't know the point. I'm saying is that Don't just let's not all just dismiss it just because there's only a couple of years to go with goodison Let's make goodison the best we can for that I still think even if you don't do that though people should say you're wrong and have a go They don't though But they should have a go I hope they don't Shitting on your hands No, no, but that's like saying you're saying it's a 40,000 let's say you say to 36 and a half thousand people you should all sing it's just not gonna happen It does not there's nothing to There's no guarantee though by putting that in there it make any difference though I think it would be more of a guarantee because it would if those lads would be up up all game What we have to do is look at what what we really can do In terms of if they're not gonna ever know and gonna put You know Safe standing into goodison parks not gonna happen. So what we have to do is say all right That's not gonna happen. Well, not even if that's not gonna happen. How do we improve the atmosphere if that's not gonna happen Do you know what I mean? But it's one of them I I don't think I don't think it will improve very much apart from organically because we're winning games of football I think it'll just be like I think it will just be like what it's like unless the club go forward with a A radical change. I suppose then Oh, all we gotta hope is then that when we play the other lot Oh, yeah, you have the atmosphere. Well, you will at that time. It's a night game and all Yeah, all right. Yeah, it'll be a night game and people will be up for that. That's the thing but You know, ultimately You know, I've brought me more. That's what we want. Don't we want a big stand in section behind the goal safe standing? And we want the noisiest people in that section because it does They start and it does reverberate on the ground That's just the way football is but that's how it used to work. Isn't it? I suppose Also, isn't it because like you've said The people that's coming to the match now The songs and they and everything aren't getting passed down from father to son. Are they or to your mates? You know, the history is we're losing the history Of our music. Yeah To be fair don't dig because I was I was in the car seat in the in the 80s and the only song I knew was We do have a lot more varied songs now. Thanks to the internet and stuff It's just about getting them sung at the max and you get sung at all your way games It's just that they don't really get sung at the gate We've set for ages away games are the best because there's a small set of fans It feels like us against the world and everyone's had a bevy all day. Oh, ultimately. Is it also that's why We've all been conditioned now to roll up the guldison walk in a tenter three or whatever the kickoff time is and then Sit down and then go home after the game That's the way a lot of people have been conditioned now to go to football like you go into the theater Maybe this Maybe this is something we can put towards the fan zone then Having a successful team like that the people in the fan zone to get the people in the fan Well, again, the people running the fan zone can now you know get the atmosphere going The fan zone is Crap, isn't it like one of the things this is another thing It's a load of it's a load of a food food fans in a circle and a little stage one of the things that I've mentioned to the club is and with the new fan zone a family more dock is Make sure that the fan zone is after you've got into the stadium. Yeah That's what I do. I'd make the wall I'd make a wall good at the ground So that's where you got that's where your tickets are and you get checked Yes, and you can't go out then and you're in and you're stuck in and then that's where make the alcohol Make the food affordable keep people and get people in early and then start build that with Get get people in the ground At if it's a three o'clock kickoff get them in there at one o'clock so they want to go so there's good teams on so there's Tellies if there's another gamer so there's affordable beer so that you don't feel like to get ripped off And they want to spend money with the club not with Someone else and to build the atmosphere before We were in Dortmund stood on the yellow wall two hours before the kickoff I've never I can't remember the last time I've never been getting two hours before So and we were having a bed and now it's different. You can't bev you but we were having a baby Yeah, the mad thing is the mad thing is is that how many times now? Well, how many times have we spoke about last few weeks where people have been messing is just going We're coming to the game this week. What can we do the ground and we're like, no, there's nothing There's a very small fan zone Very small fan zone and a few pubs and the club shop and the church that's got to be the aim for bram On Saturday Halftime down in the park and there's no food or no ale left at halftime At halftime on an at and just think about a lunchtime kickoff People want something to eat and there was nothing to give people She's just saying there's a halftime in the park and there was no food or ale left Oh, can I get some of you? It just it just it's just amateur, isn't it? It's seductive for you. I've said this for ages Why are everything allowing money to go out of the club when people come and I've said and I apologize I don't really apologize, but there's pubs around the ground and that's fine But they're in by the competition with everything that's why everything should look at it and say We want all your money in this ground from one of us onwards for a three-cup kickoff and then afterwards Don't worry about getting off straight away. You can hang around for an hour Like I don't understand why they don't have the fans out open after the game Especially after a win. They should have the heart out on the screen They have the goal. It's such a sad clock on the website But I don't think I'm not sure how I mean you might be right But I'm not sure how those rules apply to having your own because But couldn't they if it's on them, couldn't they just show them on the screen the goals or whatever Whatever it should be saying is and I've said this for ages. How about saying in the fan zone, right? We're going to drag one of the players over after the match come on stage Have a chat about the game. I know I know but you make it so it's safe They go to the the the player's go to the lounges So it's good enough for the people in the lounges, but again for the normal punter. Oh, forget about them Well, they're better though aren't they? Well, of course they're better. They've got more money That's what we all know people are more money. They're better than the rest of them But what To be honest, right eggs, this is a massive debate and we've had this and we've spoken about this And we've spoken to the club about it is that why you will Before the game get people in start building the atmosphere up below below the stands and in that atmosphere We'll reverberate into the stands after the game Keep the good. I'm listening to me as you said on the way. Oh, right And they were like turned off and they turned the phone in off because people like oh We've got no we've got we've got no one to do it because the app because that was it He's gone down to get the interview. It's just nonsense because you imagine that right? This is what happened on the phone in right? Honestly, I don't mean to say I know I So 20 minutes or half an hour afterwards They cut the phone off cut the phone line off and started talking about Liverpool And now about them beating Shrewsbury It was incredible and that's where I this is where I can't understand where the club Where's the club should and I said this for ages should be filling that space with club club club radio Club phone call Liverpool would just be palace and ever play and if they beat the phone in goes on for three hours And I think the club are useless, but but they probably can't be our change until we leave the ground Yeah Section as well Take it easy