 Welcome to Toffey TV, I'm joined in the studio by Evan's 4th highest Premier League goalscorer. The man who did this and we haven't done it since, Super Kevin Campbell. How are you? I'm good, how are you? I'm really good, really good. I'm in luck this day. Take it both ways there, you know it. You know what mate, the smartest man we've ever had in the studio, by a country mile. By a country mile. It's lovely to see you. Lovely to see you. First of all, did you think when you scored that goal in 2020, we'd still be waiting for another unfail win? No, I did. I got to be brutally honest with you. I thought, obviously that was kind of a turning point for us and that team and you think to yourself, right we've got a side that can win at the enemy. I want it gone every year and every year I want it gone, it never seems to happen. When Jagielka scored that unbelievable goal, you're thinking great, we drew and then you think that was fitting enough to get a winning goal. But it just hasn't gone our way. Even a cup game this year, that many chances, that many chances and we can't get across the line. It's a difficult place to go and win, especially now. But they were there for the taking on that day and I think that's what frustrated a lot of Evertonians. It frustrated me, to be honest, because I want to have everything to win there and I want it gone. I've had it for 21 years, I've had it a long time, I want it gone now. Somebody else could take the mental. Maybe if you start thinking, actually I don't want it to go, maybe there'll be that reverse psychology. Let's try that next time. I've got to try that next time. I want to keep it for another 20 and see what happens. They haven't lost there for about three years, so it's a difficult place anyway. That brings me on to this season. We spoke to you when Marko Silver had just got the job on. We were hoping that, you know, when he remember we got to you and then you were like, he'll be great for Everton and he was so good. You can see a player like that. But Marko Silver started this season. I think the way Everton finished the season last year, beating United and Chelsea and Arsenal. Convincingly as well. Convincingly. I think going into this season we were like, we can do something. From there we can kick on. We lost Ghana. It was a big blow. It was tough. And obviously you might be tired right until the last couple of days. So there you were, holes in the score. But even so, we brought in some good players in the summer. I mean, what did you make of that the first couple of months under Marko Silver? Yeah, the first couple of months. Do you want to go next last season or this season? Because this season I really thought the impetus would be in the team. You know what you want. You know what you've got. You know what the players can do. Obviously you add a couple of nice bits to it and then, you know, let's see the team push on. But it seemed like the team took a step backwards. And when the team takes a step backwards, when you know actually we can take on the big boys and beat them convincingly. But you take a step back. I just thought Silver weren't sending the right messages out to the team or the fans. You know, I like to listen to the interviews and stuff like that. And he didn't seem to be on the front foot. He just seemed to be accepting of, you know, we weren't good. Because they were like bipolar of the team. One week they'll play well and the next week they'll be poor. And it's his job to get it consistent. He just couldn't get it consistent. Which ultimately cost him his job, to be honest. But, you know, I was optimistic after the summer, but seeing how the team were, it was only a matter of time until, you know, they pulled the trigger on him. You're right there. Last season when he came in, we had a decent start. In fact, when we went to Anfield, we lost in a way that only Evan Cammons would pick for Puster. We know what happened. Up until that point we were doing really well. Then we went into a couple of months of nightmare stuff. And then we did recover and I think going into those last few months, you see people were starting to go, oh, we know what he wants now and the team are playing to the way he wants. So we're going to carry this on and you're absolutely right. We started this season as if it was the first season again. That's right. We stepped back and I know we lost Garner and Zume. And maybe the club should have done better to bring in players who could replace them. Of the shame, yeah. You know, we lost to Barman. He lost to Barman early after a game in a half. So maybe he could have done the Garner job. I don't know. The centre-back issue is an issue and everybody knows about that. But you're right. We just changed the way we played. We didn't do what we'd done to help us. In the back end of the season. And that, for me, tells me that, fair enough, you haven't got the same players, but you need to have the same philosophy and you need to put a player in and listen. Even if you have to say, right, all I want you to do is break things up, break it up and just give it to Gomez. Do that and give it to him and we know he can play, because he can do both. But there wasn't that continuity. There wasn't that impetus in the team. And I found it strange. I'm sure you did as well. I'd speak to a lot of Evertonis. Evertonis would get frustrated by it because the team should be doing better. You bring in good players and the team are struggling. It's not right. It wasn't right. So again, ultimately, it cost him his job in the end. I think when he made the decision for him to go, I think it was right. It wasn't working. He really lost. The day that he lost his job was not at your home. I know he had another couple of games including Amphil, but that day was the day when I think everyone went. Everyone turned. Everyone turned. Everyone turned. It was done. Duncan, your old Bruce Brothers partner. My Bruce brother. My Bruce brother. That's it. I tell you something about when Fergie got the job. A good friend of mine, Chris, he rang me and said, Kef, you can't believe it. Fergie's got the job. I said, you're joking, is it? He said, yeah. He says, I don't know what to think. He said, because Fergie's never managed before. I said, let me tell you something. He would do well because it's passion first. It's going to be passion first. The biggest compliment I could pay to Fergie was, he'd done it his way. He came in and he wasn't going to play no 4-4-4-4-4-1-1-4-3-3. He went back to the old system that works. 4-4-2 against Chelsea at home. Two strikers going to occupy back four. We're going to bank up with two blocks of four and we're going to get the 12th man involved, get the crowd involved. And I believe the team made more tackles in that game than they did in previous 10 years in any game. That tells you everything. Chelsea couldn't handle Everton. The physicality, they might have more possession, but the physicality, the devilment, and seeing those goals going and seeing Fergie picking the ball boys up and running down the touchline, honestly it was fantastic to see for me. It really was. But that's what got the Evertonians and the team back on track. It was that one track mine. If you're going to come to our patch, you're going to have to play all 12 of us. The 12th man of the fans, and Chelsea couldn't handle it. You've been, you've seen and played in when Godderson's like that. It's difficult, isn't it? Difficult for any team. A lot of those Chelsea players probably thinking, what the hell is this? Because normally we come around and we stroll about, and we're getting right stuck into them. I've got to give credit to Dominic, I've got to cover him. He put himself about. The boys are keen they put themselves about. You're a charlison who started to put themselves about. Alex Orwobi. Alex Orwobi was more of a fflair player, but he can put himself about if needed. That's what the team were doing and people were crashing into tackles. It was brilliant. Honestly, it was great to see at a well-deserved win. And he took that on obviously. He's the only Everton manager that's lost, so he's got a great record. A great record for him now. We had a drawer of old traffic and a drawer against Arsenal. Very well, of course. And then Carlo Ancelotti was chosen. He'd become available. There was obviously talk of David Moyes and things like that coming back, but I think people... The right decision was made. Most definitely. What's your thoughts on Carlo Ancelotti? Listen, the resume speaks for itself. He's not just a manager who's been out in the wilderness. He was at Napoli. They're qualified for the Champions League. Played good football. He knows his football. He's won everything. And it's great to see Everton stop messing around with managers who maybes. Now everybody knows we've got a manager who can do the job. We've got a manager who has done it at the top level, at the highest level. He's played at the highest level. He's managed at the highest level. The United Nations, the Netherlands, and the Napolies and all this, Chelsea. So he knows what he's doing. Will he get back? I'm sure he will. Obviously, he's going to come in. He's going to have a look at the squad. He's going to understand what the squad is and understand who... He's going to have to move and shake. He's going to have to get some players out. And he's going to have to bring in better players, but what he's doing he's assessing the squad. He's assessing the squad. January transfer window now. Maybe he might bring a couple in if he can. felly wedi'u cerdlion o'n holliaith, a rhaid am y dyma ac y gallu holliaid i'r ymu cwyrllaf cwyrddol yn Rhaid i'r holliaid i'r hefyd. Jog hefyd i'n gweithio i'r holliaid i'r holliaid, i chi oedda i chi i chi, i chi oedda i chi oedda i'r holliaid, a dwi'n mynd i'r newid o'r cwyrddol yn rhaid. I think with someone like him in charge, it can calm everyone down. Like you said we've made, since David Moyes went, you know, Martiniz was, I mean, I, as good as he did in his first season, I still didn't understand why he got the job, he'd been relegated, but he was a flipper for coin manager. Cuman was, oh, he might, it might be good, let's try him, same with Martin Schilver, but this fella, no-one can look and go, well what he done in the game? As a player he won, two European Cup, as a manager, and so, I think me and Padre talked about it quite a bit. We need someone to just calm everybody down and that's what Anselotti is, he's calm, he's exterior, he's calm, nothing. You know even when the Finch fan 10 turned up and had a goal to get a weak end trainning round, he was like I'm in Italy all the time. It's normal! You know this happens. You know it's nothing like rabbitting ahead, Nai hwn i weld y newcastle o'r perchlo particular yw'r ardal. Yn rhoi'n meddwl fel gyntaf yn Lleifol Llywodraeth eanan yn gystafell eistedd. Rydym yn fyddoli'n gofynnol a nid i neid o'r gael ar y brif живereu. Yn rwy'n meddwl maen nhw'n uchel eich ymgyrch i amddangos pob gofyn i fath eich cyfn Changbeth. Rwy'n meddwl i'r rei fodson nesaf i'r rhagor. Rwy'n meddwl i'n meddwl i'n meddwl i ni hefyd, ac roedd o'n meddwl i ni. Mae'n unig i nhw'n teud gael unrhyw ydw vegol ac mae'n gweithio'n gwneud am siaradau. Felly ydych chi'n gweithio'r anodd, dwi'n rhaid yn gwneud o'ch mynd i niw i'r hyn sy'n ateb i'w gymaint. Felly maen nhw'n ffansb yw ei ddechrau, mae'n rhoi'r lwas i'ch butafol. Mae'n broliadion ymyth i gair o'r byd yma, gan yw ddim yn sgwyl yn lle yw'n amser. Fwielio'n golygu i'w fwrdd i'r Ffergs. Felly byddwn i'n bwiel I'n gweithio i'w Fferg oeddai'r Rhyw gwrm fforddi. Yn ystod y cydweud o fau'r gael, mae'n gweld a'u hir ar ei fod yn gwybod y gylliannol. Yn ystod, fyddwn ni'n eu cyfeirio'n ddylch chi'n amser cyntaf. Mae'n ddweud y meddwl o'r gymbrill, a'n ddechrau nad yng nghymru. Mae ydych chi eisiau siŵr i'r ffadda i'r ddrygiad i'n... Jogel, ar ymarferhau, mae'ntalki ar arrynddo ar hyn oref i entiolau. Rydyn yw'n defnyddio ar arferfofol, ganon, nad yna'n ddweud. Ac mae'n rhaid o'r tetaeth yw'r link ar Eftan, ond mae'n rhaid i'w ddod. Ond rhaid i'w ddod. Eftan eftan yn i chi ddod y cwrs yn y dystyn. Rhaid i. Rhaid i'w ddod y cael y cyfrifio, y gwybod. Rhaid i'w ddod. Rhaid i chi'n gwybod, maen nhw'n gwybod. Rhaid i'w ddod y rhefyd. Rhaid i'w ddod. Rhaid i'w ddod o'r ddysgu o'r ddysgu o'r bethau'r club. Rhaid i'w ddod. Ond ydych chi'n gwybod nifer o'r bwysig o'r gweithio, dwi'n ffynch, fel y gallwn yn ymgyrch yn dweud, dwi'n gweithio'n gweithio, fel ydych chi'n gweithio ar y busnes, yna'r cyfan o'r llun, ac nid ymgyrch yn y llun, ac wedi'i'n gwybod i ymweld yma, ydych chi'n gweithio, wedi'i'n gweithio'n gweithio, yw'n dweud yn gweithio'n gweithio. Yn yn ymgyrch yn gweithio. But he knows the recruitment game well enough. I'm sure he will get it right. Since we changed the manager, it's 1-9 in the Premier League, which is incredible for me, when we walked out of the fanfield after that 5-2. It was difficult to see Edim putting the run together like that put Duncan Fagus in the start of the... Handing him off, he's come in and carried on with the 4-4-2, which is great. Love it. Y ffordd o ran rydyn ni, gan yw'n yn gweithio y rai o'r ddargen, yn dillunio banade o'r rai o'r ddweudio, o'r gwrdd 10 a'r drwy'r wrthbyn yll yn digwydd. Rydyn ni'n ei wybodd yn dillunio â ddod 3 oftwr, ac mae'n ddymarfonio ar gyfer gyfarion. O'r ydw i mлекul yn cael ei ddweudio, mae'n rhaid i'n gweithio'n osŵr-i-rhyw pwysig. Côr, hostile yn y p約. Mae hefyd a fabrydiad iddolомad eich cymlyniad r系. Ond mae ni'nothers a'r beth. Mae'n mnerenio tygiad i kyl ychydig gyda'i eu hunain cymlu. Felly dyno i fuiau – fydd o' charin eich cymlu oherwydd iawn. Mae'noli efo'r reyfffromol, ac erfyn, yn ydi eu stysgiau, efallyn yn ychydig yn ychydig yn bynnag eich b 체ffym aros gŵr. I'r gweithio mewn hyffordd y Fawr Maeswchyn. Ydw i fel Gwyrddiant felwch chi, youngster o'n ffoo lŵr, Yma'r Rhyw Maweswchyn wedi'i ei gwneud, Yma'r Dawn Fawr disobed yn fawr, Fawr o bwyr yma'n gwneud yn fawr, Fawr y ddim, Dwi'n gwneud i eich strunt, Felly mae'r grwp yn ei ffawr efflwnt A'n iddyn nhw'n ni'n gweithio'r i'r sellaeth ydw i yw'n golygu cyntaf. Mae gweithwyr yn ystafell o gyflym o'r amser i gydion beth y gallai y gweithwyr. Felly, mae'r amser i gweithwyr yn ystafell fel gwybod i gydyn nhw i gydon nhw i gydyn nhw. Ynw i gydyn nhw i gydyn nhw, i gydyn nhw i'n ffiant. Rwy'n cael ei fod i'w newcast o'i, rwy'n cwestiynau ofio'i gwahanol. Iel angen i gydyn nhw i gydyn nhw i'r lleici yn three four or five. Roeddwn i gydyn nhw i gydyn nhw i gydyn nhw. ond rwy'n gwybod yn ystod o ysau'r irfyniadau. Rwy'n gwybod, yr un o'r ysau'r bwysig yn ymlaen, yda i'n gofio'r eu cyffredinol. Rwy'n gwybod, acolod yw'n gofio'r busin, yw'n gofio'r busin a'r ymlaen i'r gwybod. Rwy'n gwybod, yw'n gofio'r busin, rwy'n gwybod i'r gwybod i'r gwybod. Yw'r llwyf yn y 4-4-2, yw'n gwybod i chi'n gofio'r busin. Felly mae'r bwysig yn gwahau. Felly mae'r rôl weithio gwell cryl, gyda'n rôl, yn yma. Gwydd wedi gweld golytu'r bydian nhw'n ddiolch yn gweithio'r eistedd, ac Ei wedi'u proffesiwnol i'rhael. Nid yw'r cyffeniad, rôl weithio'r cyffeniad, dwi'n defnyddio'r arfer o'r cyffeniad yna. Nid yw'r cyffeniad, nid, rôl fyddio'r cyffeniad. Ond efallai mae'n golygu rhywbeth arall a gallu cael ei ddweud, pan mae'n golygu'n fei. Mae'ch cael ddweud, ond ond yn cael ei ddweud. Ac mae'n rhan o'n canyddu i'n mewn oりu ar-deithas. Cynnydd eich pob o'r moyn. Mae efallai yma'n golygu ar-deithas, i wneud eich pob o'r moyn nid. Cynnydd eich pob o'r moyn. Cynnydd eich pob o'r moyn fyddwch. Rydw i chi'n tot yn cael ei wneud, rydw i chi'n teithio fel jagi. I guess they give it to the goalie or whack it into the far corner, the least dangerous place on the pitch. You mentioned the forwards, they just want to get your thoughts on the three main strikers. What have you made of Richard Jarlison's move to Heaven because your old mate, Mr Mason, you know said he's ruined the transfer market and his stat new and other. I had a goatmurse for that, I did have a goatmurse on social media for that because I didn't understand how we was ruined in the transfer market. Ie dlu'r mersiwn ei ddweud efallai fel Ysgolion' ychwan mennyddio. Efallai yw, mae'n dechrau. Mae'n gwneud ei hwn i ddim yn ymlaesio. Rachalloson y peth yn ymloedd ac dy'n cael ei ddargen o'r freff holder. dyma'n ddweud ngwyn i ddechrau ac rwy'n gwneud y nesaf y bydd yn cael chi'n gaer datblygaeth. Rwy'n cyfaint oed, bennig, a prim ydych chi. Ychydig oed yn siŵn ar acnod ar y dechrau'r ddweud. Ac rydyn ni'n dweud y tuio'r ysgolio, Y Braethau a'r Ynwys Gael, rydyn ni'n dweud yng Nghaerlydd. Ond ydych chi'n gweithio yma, oherwydd mae'n gwneud o'r cyflwyngau yw'r ddweud ar gyfer ychydig yn gyffredig hwnnw, ond mae'n rhaglion o'r ddiad, yn fynd i'n gwybodaeth i'r gweithio. Felly mae'n gwneud, roedd yw'r drwsfyddem i'r ddweud, mae rydyn ni'n golygu fath o'r cyflwyngau. Dominic Calvert-Lewin. I interviewed, we interviewed him, I was doing pitchside after one of the games, I think it was the Arsenal game and I was talking to him pitchside and I said you know there's times where you're doing a lot of build up play, but when you do the build up play you've got to get in the box. Fair enough if you play a ball and the ball comes back and you get a shot off fine, but when he's wide and you know he's going to go down a wing and get across. You've got to get in the box, that worked against Burnley at home, the other day against Newcastle, I swam put it wide and get a reverse ball back in and he got a shot off with a post in it, saved it all the way over, so he's learning, he's learning his trade, he's scoring goals and for any striker when you're scoring goals and you're playing, you're actually playing with another partner up there it makes a massive difference because that shift now is shared and you're starting to see, whereas before Dominic Cavallu and he used to chase everything and run and work his socks off, he was probably knackered, too knackered to get in the box, now it's shared, he's got the energy to get back in the box, so now you're seeing the evolution of him, you're seeing him get goals, you're seeing him be stronger, be a centre forward, holding it up, playing it wide, getting in the box, knocking balls down, so now the evolution, keeping with a strike partner and I think we're going to see the ball. He's the best of him, he's wearing the number nine and he's doing the business, love it, absolutely love it. I mean number nine, it's a big shift for us isn't it, for everyone. What did you think when he took it in the summer because a lot of people were like, why is he putting pressure on himself, it's a big booty, he was sweet and delighted to wear this number nine. We know the powers that shirt has, that shirt has magical powers and it's a big statement, it could have gone pear shaped for him, but he believed in himself, obviously he's doing the work on the training pitch, I'm sure Duncan Ferguson's advising him and showing him and doing bits with Franny Jeffers I'm sure as well, he's doing bits, but he's come in, he's done the business and he's doing the business, that says a lot about the kid. He's not the finished article as well and he can only get better, he's only going to get better under Carlo Ancelotti and now, which we'll speak about, Moise Keane has got his first goal, which we're delighted about, that now is starting to look like a partnership. Even if Keane ain't playing, we know he got with Charleston with him, both are good in the air, both could run, both could hold it up, so there's bones there for really good partnerships as a strike force and Moise Keane taking his bumps and taking his bruises, we know there's been some unsavory stuff that's gone on, but he's got his head down, he's worked hard and I was so delighted for him to get the goal at the Gladys Street end as well. The roar is still in my head, to be honest with you. You could see the elation and the celebration and everything, I'm so made up for him, I just hope and he played well. He probably got an extra 1k out of him, running channels and stuff like that and being a strong striker, so I think that's going to do the world a good, roll on the next games and stuff like that and see if he could keep scoring goals and keep playing well. I think that's the key for him. Again, that consistency across the board I think is really important for the manager and these strikers. Got to keep playing, got to keep scoring goals, but got to keep putting in those performances. For someone like Moise Keane, people have not got a goal yet and he's played 20 games. It was his fifth start the other night. A lot of games he'd come off the bench in the 83rd minute and the numbers rack up but they're not real numbers because it starts and stuff. I was absolutely made up but it gave me so much pleasure than getting his first goal because you want the lad to do well, he's 19. It's difficult to go to another country, isn't it? It's hard for an English lad to come in and do well, let alone a lad who's not used to the premiership. Difficult to get used to the pace of the premiership, the physicality of the premiership and now he's starting to find his feet a little bit and the performance was good. It scored a goal and the two striker scored and you think well we're going for a win. I've obviously got Peg back but now they've set the bar now, got to stick to that, got to be consistent and I'm not expecting anything less. That's it. Got to stick to that bar and those two will give teams problems moving forward so I think Everton on to something good with them. I think the front three now because obviously they've moved Jeng Towson out of Crystal Palace on loan. I think those three as a front three I think are great options for Everton. I think if Keane can carry on and like you said even if he's not scoring but playing that level of performance, knocking people about, threatening them, running the players then I think it will really help us. Ym an i as, porf i'w beid am i'n. It's still about and there was talk that he'll be going in the summer, he's still at the club and one thing about him is willing. He's willing. You'll ask him to play right back, I'm sure he'll play right back and he'll have a goal. Probably he will eventually leave whether it's this window or the summer but while he's there, Carl Rancholotti if he wants to use him he will use him. He will run and he will scrap and he will fight and that's all he's ever really done. That's what you can guarantee you'll get from him so if they bring him on and he'll run and scrap and fight for the cause, great. But I just think that's one that I'm sure will be exiting if it ain't in this January transfer you'll be in the summer. He's out of contract in the summer show. So just very quickly just on the rest of the team, where do you think? I mean a player I just want to get your opinion on is Theo Wolcott. Someone you will have seen a lot of Arsenal anyway and he's come from Everton and just not. He's so frustrating. It's not happened because he's got all the attributes to be devastated. Sometimes this has worked out throughout his career. When it was Arsenal he won on hot spells and then he won on cold spells and at Everton he hasn't really hit the heights. He's played OK at times but he hasn't hit the heights. I'm sure he'll agree. He hasn't hit the heights that he would have liked to. Now that's coinciding with the bipolar nature of Everton. He's suffered a couple of injuries and stuff like that. So he's never really had that full run of games where the team's got hot and he's got hot. It's not really happened for him. So he might be another one who, Carl-Anne Chulloch, he says it might be time for him to move you on. He might fancy a little stint in America. I know that's been mentioned. Or another premiership team who could do with somebody like him. To deal with somebody with pace and stuff like that and experience that fear walkers. Because I think Carl-Anne Chulloch, he has to be ruthless now. He has to be ruthless because it's great having the experience. But if the players aren't doing it or it's not happening for them, I know I've got to get people in who it's going to happen to. And that's the brutal nature. Getting a manager like Carl-Anne Chulloch, he's got to be brutal and ruthless. Another player, Alexa Wolby is another one you will know a lot about. I think he's done okay for Everton. He's a player who, I think he gives the ball away because he's trying to break. He's trying to probe and he's trying to pass forward and trying to hurt teams. Because what you don't want is safe. There's got to be one or two players in your team who you're going to risk. Who have to take the risk. And to try and release the likes of Dominic Calvert-Learn, Richarlison, you have to take the risk. And don't forget defenders are always trying to read. When it goes square, it's easy for defenders. So you're going to have to trust that he's going to have to give the ball away at times. But the key is when you give it away, you've got to get it back quick. That's the key to being an Alexa Wolby or Gomez. Because Gomez gives the ball away as well when he plays. Great to see him back training that well, by the way. But there has to be risk takers. There has to be risk takers. Not everybody is a risk taker and you need a couple of risk takers in your team who are going to probe and push and try and release those forwards because it's key for them to put the defence on the back foot. What do you make of a Wolby? I like him. I think he's a good player. I think at the time, and he's another young player, at the time Arsenal, he was being played out of position a lot of the time. What do you think is his best position? His best position is just off the striker. He's a number 10. He's really a number 10. Or central midfield, breaking forward, attacking midfielder. So will he be used that way? I don't know. I think Carlo Ancelotti. Obviously he's going to be working out who's who, what's what. Where's the best position for them? Whether he can play him as a central midfielder or whatever. I don't know. He's better qualified than I am. But to be able to use a Wolby, maybe in the way Bernard's being used where when the ball is on the left hand side, Wolby can come in and be that central one where he gets it and he starts slipping through. So I think that might be a permutation of the 4-4-2 that he can use, utilise. But I think Wolby's done okay. I think he's still young, he's going to get better. I think he's going to get better under Ancelotti. Cos Ancelotti's going to help him progress his game. And I think Ancelotti likes that quick passing when the ball comes in into a midfielder. Quick passing into change and to be able to release the strike. I suppose as a fan base, the crowd I've got to accept he will give it away because he's signed a breakdown. He's signed a breakdown seems like barely with a low block because doing this doesn't get you anywhere. Playing sideways gets you frustrated. Because you think we need to go forward, we need to go forward. When it does go forward, remember the defenders are always trying to intercept. They're trying to read so Sambos are going to go straight. But when he gets it right, he's going to hurt him. So you've got to trust. You've got to just go with it. I think he's done okay. He'll really do. I think he hasn't played the game under Ancelotti. He's been injured. He got injured against Arsenal earlier in the year. So I think it'll be good to get him back as well. Just looking ahead to the summer. What areas do you think Evan could do with strength? I look at central midfield. I really look at the central midfield and I look and I say, obviously Gomez is injured. Gabamyn, he's coming back from injury. And we don't know what he's like yet. Exactly, he's not really found his feet yet because he got injured early. I look at the central midfield and I think, okay, for Everton to make that next step, what do they need? I think Everton need an all-rounder. They need a box-to-box player who can score goals. Someone who's going to run in behind. Even if the front two split, he can go through. I think that's the only thing that Everton are missing really in that centre of the pitch. I'd still like to see possibly another striker, an experienced striker, because Dominic Calvert-Lewin is young, Moise Keane is young, Charleston is young. I'd still like to see an experienced striker come in and you can chop and change and you can rotate them because there's a lot of games and you want freshness. You want there's going to be times where Dominic Calvert-Lewin, you need to give my little rest. Moise Keane going to need a rest at times if he's playing constantly with Charleston. We know he can play. He's got to play. But you can put him wide. But you're going to need another one up top who you can put your money on bank. He knows what to do. Making it difficult for people. He knows what to do with that experience. Those are probably the two. I think fullbacks are fine. I think fullbacks, you've got fullbacks. Wide players, I think you've got enough there. I think that the centre of the pitch is key now. Just finally, what to make of the goalkeeper. He splits a lot. He divides a pin in this room. He divides a pin in this room. He divides a pin in this room. I like Jordan Pickford. I think he's a good keeper. But what I will say about Jordan Pickford is this. The goalkeeper position is magnified. When you make a mistake it gets magnified. Now, the other day against Newcastle, people saying he was at fault. But I think everything's moved so quickly. The ball was pinballing around in the box. He just got caught on his haunches. For some reason, obviously he was flying around the goal and he just went back in the goal. The ball just got shot so quickly and he tried to push it out. But he was behind the line. This thing's happened all the time. But it was a mistake. He made a mistake. But really, how many mistakes has he made this season? I don't think he's made many mistakes. Goalkeepers, by nature, the best goalkeepers don't make mistakes. Or they minimise the mistakes. And remember, he's a young keeper. He's England's goalkeeper. But he's still maturing. And remember, the goalkeepers don't hit their maturity till 30s. It's later than outfield players. And he's still so young. So I wouldn't be too harsh on him. What I would say is, please cut out some of the silly mistakes. Do you think it's just decision-making? I do. I think it's just decision-making. I don't think... Shots don't really go through them. They make some great reflex saves. But sometimes it's decision-making to come or go. And because he isn't 6 for 5, a big unit, he's about 6 foot 1. He's not as big as other keepers. I'll tell you this. I speak to John Barrage a lot. And John Barrage said to me... Wasn't a big goalie either. He said, don't believe the myth in these big giant goalkeepers. He said, 6 foot 1 to 6 foot 2, 6 foot 3 is fine. He said, the key to a so-called smaller keeper is being aggressive. Would you decision-making? Right, it's okay. Because you've just said it. Is it decision-making? Do I come? Do I knock? The key is, if he's going to come, he's got to come. And he's got to be sure I'm coming. But a lot of that comes with experience. You've got to know who you're playing against as well. Does this team cross the ball? Do they cross it many times? Are they starting to get desperate? Because when teams get desperate, they put it in the box. So if you're a goalkeeper, I'm going to stamp my authority on this. I'm going to come and get the ball and just take all the wind out their sails. That type of thing. He's so smart about goalkeepers and how they should prepare and what they should do. So I think Jordan Pickford, he's getting there slowly, but surely he'll be alright. I wouldn't change him myself because I think there's a goalkeeper there. There's a top, top, top goalkeeper in there. And he's just finding his feet. Okay, fair enough. I mean just a knock decision-making. Maybe if you've come the other way. The corner, he flapped at the first goal, on the second one. If he's jumping, he's bigger than most people anyway. So make a decision. You see, that's the thing. Now, if he comes with the big shout, keepers and comes and gets it, takes all the steam. Everything's done. Perfect, that's great goalkeeper. But maybe staying home because he's unsure there's a lot of bodies in there. Come and get it because you could use your hands. Go and get it. Maybe it's just a little bit of that. And hopefully, like you've just said, anti-lots, you've got all the experience in the way it will just be like. Just calm, make your decision. I want you to come and get those. Come through, knee up. Make it difficult. Listen, you hurt people. They're in your way. They're getting hurt. I've had enough. I've had enough. Superb, thanks very much, Kev. Really nice, thanks for having me on. Absolutely superb. Thanks for watching, make sure you give the video a thumbs up. Make sure you follow Kev on Twitter. At one, Kevin Campbell. At number one, Kevin Campbell. And always got the dickie bow on a Thursday. Dickie bow there. He gets up at like 4 o'clock in the morning and there's something this is bizarre. But they are looking and smiling. Absolutely superb. Thanks for watching. See you later.