 I have to uh oh hello. It's a new one camera you just need the whole the mic. The one there. Do you need the internet connection? There's a lot of background noise. Test. You don't want a smart shower. I haven't opened the spark on your work. I'm only going to open it if I'm still here on Friday. Actually, Steve, be there. Should it be um the Spartan? Is the it's like keeps you from your men's boxers with radio activated? That was a thing at digital. So, yes, I failed. Yeah, yeah, jump monitoring system. It was like, it was like, you know, and they're like, they will save you from Wi-Fi and you know, radioactive waves. Why is it only that part and why is it only for men? It seems like. But like you're not only going to get like sickness in your groin if you're going to get laid. I know. I know. It's a nightmare. Hello everyone. Uh, yes. You mean power? Oh, if you need uh power. Okay. Do you need a power brick? Or not power brick. Do you need an extension? Over there, Tom. Power strip. Do have we, do we feel good about our levels? Are we waiting for Patrick and then we'll go through it one more time. I mean, they're pretty good. Nice to see you again. I'll stay up real close. Make it in. Oh, sorry. And Roger, can you hear our levels too? I can hear you. Can you hear me? I can hear you now. Oh, it's low. Okay. I'll turn myself up. How's that? Is that better? That's still, let me see. I mean, I can hear myself real, real good. Yeah. Play the play the sound of the song. What are you playing it? I don't hear it. Okay, now I hear it. Yeah, it wasn't playing before. I could hear it. I don't know why you couldn't hear it. I can hear it. I just heard it then. Alright, so can you hear Sarah? Sarah say something. Hey, Roger, it's me at CES. I'm going to talk pretty much at this level and at this volume. And with this amount of gain and attack. And I've been using a lot of audio editing programs. So this is how I talk now. Attack it. Okay. Is that good, Roger? Yep. Allison? Are you going to hand hold? Hi, this is Allison Sheridan of the No Silicast podcast. Move a little like half an inch closer to the mic. And be able to read the notes. There's the trick right there. Or I could turn her up. Do you need me to turn her up? Just a little. I can't focus on the screen if I'm this close. Keep talking. I'm going to talk about right here. That's where I'd be really comfortable talking. Do you want to raise, dude, or put in a single pot cooking? Would you like me to talk louder? Maybe not louder, but just maybe turn them up just a hair. I get closer to the microphone. Is that better, Roger? No, not close. Have you taken some pictures? You just start the microphone. Crop out. Are you taking pictures? Hi, I'm Patrick Powder. We're at Daily Tech News Show in beautiful Las Vegas, Nevada in the central broadcast tower, which is not actually in the central tower, nor does anyone know where the tower is. It is in central. It's central. It's about it. It's towering. We have a lurker. That actually says tower on the other side. You should not come slash live. They're like, no, they're like talking to just on the other side of the wall. It's like part of their stage, but it feels like that's why we don't live down and join us. Oh, man. This is going to go great, Tom. Your life flashed through my eyes. Your life? Fortunately, I was too busy like grabbing it to think about the... What it was, it was like, ah, capped. Okay, good. That's what threw my head. Wait a minute. Did we ever ask Tom to be the god parent of our children? Because if he kills me now, shit's going to get cut off. Oh, yeah. Can you beat the god father from prison? All right, five minutes, folks. Five minutes. Five minutes. Don't have to go home, but you can't stay here. I just can't do much. Oh, I did it right. There we go. So you'll be introducing yourselves. Okay. Usually we like to say, say where you're at. But that might get redundant. You could say I'm sitting next to Tom. I'm sitting next to... That'd be pretty funny. Patrick. There are no feline here. And so the quick hits, it will be just me and Sarah kind of blowing through this kind of collected stuff. Then we'll get to the stuff we're going to discuss. I've seen, like, the tech spot benchmarks for the Microsoft stuff. It's interesting to look at. Probably don't need to cover it that much, but the older your processor, this is the stuff we're not discussing. So, do I need to add anything through it? No. I just don't know if you want to talk about it. No, with this one, I'm like, let's just give... Let's just put this into quick hits. We've talked Spectre and Meltdown to Death. And this is the stuff we'll... Here's my second favorite product. Ooh, I want to see it for real. Oh, that's pretty... I saw it behind a glass case. Hey, that's cool. How many gigabytes? 256 gigs. Look at that, Steve. 256 gigs. Wow. If only any input in my MacBook Pro would allow it. They're working on a USB-C version. Oh, good. Yeah, I heard that. Yeah, swallow that. You could put that in your ear and nobody'd ever see it. All right, folks, everybody ready? Ready? Sure. Are you in a thing? We've got a couple minutes. Where's the coffee? Yeah, no, I'm... I am... Slash ready, Chick. I'm... How do I get a picture into the chat? There's got to be some way I can link to that. Yeah, you can upload it to anywhere and then put the link in the chat. Yeah, totally. All right. Excuse you. If you got a one-sentence... Oh, no. Is there trimming in here? Okay. Yeah. No, we talked about those last week. Yeah, yeah. All right. What a... Yeah, we're like the opposites. We're the mirror universes. I take this off Wi-Fi so that my MacBook will not ring when those people call me during the show, which they will. Oh, my. Are you going to be coming over to our event? We have the most amazing smart light bulb with integrated... If only it were something like that. No, it's people who want to sell me healthcare. And, like, it's gotten to, like, the point where they're stalking me and it's really weird. Oh, jeez. It sounds awful. Yeah, it's awful. I have to call... At some point I have to call Covered California because the auto-resigned me up for a plan I walked away from. Somebody in Alameda, somebody in, like, the Medicaid office now made a counter and decided to pull my wife and children off of our plan in December of last year and leave them with no coverage. Oh, nightmare. So, and I already thought I was dealing directly with Kaiser, so I had to link along until I could switch over to Kaiser and then Covered California is like, congratulations to your new plan, which is $300 more than the one I had directly in Kaiser. Oh, I should put it on the Facebook page. Oh, man. All right. I'm ready to go. I am also. Then I'm going to do something pretty snazzy here. Should I start on the shot of the four? Yeah, sure. All right. Three, two... Daily Tech News Show is powered by audience, not outside organizations. To find out more, head to Daily Tech News Show. This is the Daily Tech News for Tuesday, January 9, 2018 from DTNS at CES and unincorporated Clark County, Nevada. I'm Tom Merritt. And I'm Sarah Lane. And I'm Allison Sheridan. And I'm Patrick Norton. And we are at CES 2018 and we're still alive. It's day one, Tom. Don't get cocky. I know. It's day three, four, and five for most people, but the show is actually open today, so you won't hear any honking horns. You'll just see a lot of folks walking behind us. You'll just wonder what's happening. What are they talking about? We're near a lot of audio booths, so this is just... Thanks to the efforts of our producer, Roger Chang, who is here as well. The video version has a nice shot of the floor, so you can see people walking around out there. But let's start with a few tech things you should know. Microsoft Windows head Terry Myers wrote a blog post describing how the Spectre variant two patches will slow things down for at least some Windows users. Now, if you're running Windows 10 on Skylake, Cabylake, or newer, the slowdown is in the single digit milliseconds. Not much at all. Windows 10 running has, well, may notice a little slowdown. Windows 7 and 8 on Haswell will notice slower performance. And AMD users may notice an entire pause. Microsoft has paused Meltdown and Spectre security updates for AMD machines after a bunch of users reported bad elements like the start button disappearing. Microsoft says it's documentation from AMD that was wrong and that caused the problem. They're working on a fix to get machines bootable again. In the meantime, if you go to Microsoft's site, you can find a workaround. Cheddar is reporting that Facebook will announce a smart display called Portal for video chatting. Kind of like the Amazon Echo show, I guess. In May and possibly at the F8 developer conference. Cheddar sources say Facebook plans to sell the device for $499. Facebook's Hugo Bara announced the Oculus Go, the $199 headset announced last October, will use Qualcomm Snapdragon 821 processor and Xiaomi is the hardware partner and will make and sell a China specific version called the Mi VR standalone. No release date was announced for either of those. Sources tell the information that political pressure caused AT&T to back out of a deal with Huawei to sell Huawei's phones in the US. Huawei will still go ahead selling phones in the US but without a specific carrier. Dell officially announced the new XPS 15 convertible featuring the 8th Gen Intel CPU, Radeon, RX, Vega, ML, GL graphics card, complete package as well as Windows Hello support available in April starting at $1,299. A stylus sold separately will cost you $99. Dell also created a new app called Mobile Connect for managing Android and iOS texts and calls on your PC. Maglev keys. Oh right, there's a magnet under the keys to make it feel like it's traveling. So it goes really fast. Exactly. From a geeky engineering standpoint they're talking about like a 30% reduction in the key size. It's crazy. China's Vivo is officially the first smartphone to claim it's using a fingerprint sensor under the main display itself. Vivo uses the new Synaptix optical sensor which uses gaps between pixels on an OLED display to scan your unique print. Synaptix and Samsung were likely working together for the Galaxy S8 last year using the same technology but didn't have it ready in time. And the Wi-Fi Alliance, the folks that certify products for Wi-Fi compatibility is working on a replacement for WPA2 called WPA3. The alliance says WPA3 will simplify the process for configuring devices without a display. It'll add individualized data encryption on open networks. That would be a big improvement. And add a 192-bit security suite aligned with the commercial national security algorithm. The CNSA suite from the committee on national security systems. Devices with WPA3 should start arriving later this year and then it's up to individual manufacturers to update old devices which they would have to recertify to get WPA3. Now here are some more top stories. All right everybody. This is a big one. Google announced that they're working with JBL, Lenovo, and Sony to launch smart devices with something called smart displays. What could that mean later this year? They'll handle things like Google Assistant normally handles things plus Google's going to open a platform for developers to write their own actions. You can also get the same notifications that you were getting in Google Now and you can cast videos to the displays as well. Lenovo will charge $199 for its 8-inch version 249 for the 10-inch smart display. No price info from JBL or Sony yet but JBL will start selling its version this summer but it says anyway. Google Assistant's also coming to Android Auto. Headphones from JBL, LG and Sony and more Android TV makers. Google is also launching a directory page for Google Assistant at assistant.google.com if you want to find out everything it can do now. So let me make sure you understand this. This is a small smart display that can actually play YouTube. That's one of the big advantages over the Echo Show. There you go. I'm talking about strategic errors. I saw the Lenovo one yesterday. You can do it in portrait mode, you can do it in landscape mode. It's very stylish. It's one of those things where you're either going to love it, you're going to be like, I need this why. But it's pretty. People are liking them. They're liking those little displays and I don't get it. The Echo Show, people love those things. I don't understand it. I know two people with them and they're just they're nuts about them. Oh, sorry, Tom. Hi, I'm Tom. I love your work. I don't know any normies for the Echo Show. Tom's borderline normie. I play one on TV. Is it a given definition of borderline? No. Okay, so Sarah, here's the question. Is Google winning the Google versus Amazon? We want to put our voice stuff in everything. Well, I'm glad you asked because as we talk about all this Google news and there has been quite a bit. I mean, Google's really, really been kind of the partner to talk about at CES. We should also mention that Amazon Voice Services HiSense is bringing a well, the woman's name who shall not be named, but you know who we're talking about to select 2016 4K Smart TVs. LG has a skill for its TVs. Sony is expanding Android TV support. Panasonic is putting AI into it's in-car entertainment systems and Toyota said that its cars with the N2 and 3.0 or NForm 2.0 in-car systems will get Amazon Voice support also later this year. I think this sounds all really cool, but I have this overwhelming sense of doom of now they're inside my house they're inside my car it's everywhere. It's either going to be Google or it's going to be Amazon. They own everything. Google support and we do Alexa too but it seems like all the big vendors are trying to hedge their bets in a lot of ways and I think this is going to be a big hot mess for consumers next year. What's beyond any shadow of the doubt is there's nobody's talking about Siri integration at all. Nobody's talking about HomeKit. We actually talked to a company the other night that is their big thing was they were one of the first HomeKit compatible companies and they didn't even bring it up when they talked to us and we did that too. Not in the conversation. Razer's concept hardware for this year's CES is called Project Linda now you can start to throw stones at Razer for always having concepts and never shipping them but they say they do this on purpose they're like yeah we put our concepts out at CES see how people react sometimes we don't ship it at all sometimes we break it up into parts and put it into other things and occasionally it turns into an actual product. Project Linda is a laptop form factor dock for the Razer phone the phone docks where the touch pad would go so your phone then becomes the touch pad it also becomes the fingerprint sensor and the power button to turn on the laptop and the speakers so the phone gets used in this laptop dock the dock also the dock on its own will provide 200 gigabytes of extra storage some batteries and of course that larger display in the keyboard I love it. I've been wanting this forever like since the pad phone from ASUS like years ago I'm sure it will be a wonderful useful device that will bring a functioning android experience to a laptop in a way that won't make you weep. That's possible I think these are always going to struggle though because you've got to have this phone with this dock and all of a sudden you've narrowed down what's a huge market into the eight people that have that exact combination and it could be fantastic. But you just place it and it becomes the touch pad and then you press a button and the dock it goes in and you don't have to line it up. Your phone is your laptop it snaps in it becomes super functional you've got a keyboard and all they have to do is make android work in that environment. It's all they have to do. It works fine. It's fine. It's fine. Tom I think it's cool. Thanks Sarah. Now that you've met me. I appreciate your support. You're bonding. As for launching products Razer has the Razer Mamba Hyperflex mouse and power mat the thing about this is it's using their Hyperflex magnetic field to deliver power in real time to the mouse rather than charging up a battery so it can be lighter. It's priced at $250 or 280 euros launching Q1 coming to market at the end of January. Our gaming speakers that range from $100 that's the Namo to $450 for the Namo Pro with THX 2.1. So they they Razer is showing some products that they intend to actually shift from the Razer Mamba to the Razer Plus. Also just great names. Amamba Hyperflex? Yeah. They're not the first and only company to do the on demand power like that but I like this trend. I like the idea that my wireless power devices don't have to carry around their own battery. What other one else? No. I like wireless battery. I'm here to see what happens if you accidentally game your way off the side of a table to preserve charge inside of there to get you back. Stranger things will have happened. One thing to test. Lenovo announced a self-contained VR headset called the Mirage Solo based on Google's Daydream VR platform. It uses Qualcomm Snapdragon 835 VR chip 4GB of RAM and claims 7 hours of battery life. The place-based diameter is 5 feet and the same motion sensitive remote as other Daydream headsets. $449 to go on sale in Q2. They're actually hoping to ship that at $400. I got to play around with that yesterday. It's nice because if you ever use a Daydream headset, you have to open up the thing. You have to stuff the phone in. There may be cables to plug in it so we could rip and pain in the ass. This one is just a... It's got all the guts built in. It's got all the screens built into it. Super easy to use, super responsive. The really cool thing in some ways is the other thing which I will not read. Oh, the next thing, the other Mirage that Lenovo announced. Well, I guess I will then. Lenovo is also launching a point and shoot camera and it's not like 1995 again or even 2005. This is one shoot, but it's the Lenovo Mirage camera which has two fisheye lenses that can stream 18 degree VR video as well as take photos. Videos and photos can be saved locally and Google Photos also launching in Q2 for $300. So the theory was that it's a wicked rip and pain to make 360 degree VR experiences. So they basically created a stereoscopic camera. There's no panel on the back. You shoot and you get a 180 degree hemisphere. So you get something that has a sense of depth and it's immersive. There's no turning around because there's no there-there. But it's also considerably smaller, considerably easier to process and you're not sitting there with like 18 GoPros in a crazy aluminum rig and then spending 19 hours processing to create your 3D video of the Christmas tree for Grandma. I'm really glad you elaborated on that because the text we were looking at said 18 degrees. What is 18 degrees? It was 180. You read it exactly as it was. That wouldn't have made any sense at all. I totally don't understand. Oh, my bad. It'll be great. 36 degrees. I love the 180 degree thing because one of the things Lenovo said, I don't know if they said this to you too, is a lot of people just don't understand where to put a 360 degree camera and we tell them it doesn't matter and everybody gets hung up. People don't look behind them anyway. So I wonder if this doesn't make 360 video or rather 180 video take off a little more because people will be able to say, oh, okay, I can put this up against the wall and then I get this cool 3D video. It's like a stepping stone to bring us 360. I wish it was 60 frames per second. Is it a 30 frames per second? Literally there are two buttons on it. There's a micro SD card slot. You can recharge it. If you can hit a button and point something in a general direction, you're golden. Or you can put it on a tripod. It's really easy to use. Sony had their announcement yesterday that was 25 minutes long. Their press conference was very, very compressed. They did a great job of packing it into a small amount of time. They added Google Assistant to seven new models of their headphones. They announced the MDR1AM which can play back music at 100 kHz. That's coming at some point in the spring for $300. Showed off some new OLED TVs that will broadcast sound from within the screen with support for 3.1 channels of audio. They call it acoustic surface. So this is something that a lot of TV companies are trying to do is get rid of the speaker below. They showed a TV doing that last year and Robert Herron was still talking about that and we bought one. We bought one on his recommendation. We've already got a receiver with Surround Sound so we haven't actually used it very much. But it did sound okay. It sounded pretty good. There's a much better answer than that bastard. Is he here yet? Finally though, what Sony did show off to make everything okay was the new version of the IBO which looks more like a real dog than the original IBO. It can recognize its owner's face. Facial recognition. It has OLED eyes which is very expressive. Responds to voice commands just like a real dog dealt the sit. It'll sit. It depends on the dog. It's not like a real dog. It'll cost $190 or they don't eat. It'll cost $198,000 yen when it comes out in Japan only coming to Japan. And yet to pay a monthly service fee of around $26 a month which hilariously, I think it was the TechRuch article said, I mean I guess that's like paying for an expensive dog food. Well, and vet bills? Yeah, vet bills. Yeah, or $1300 cat. Well, yeah. It's cute though. It's a really cute little toy for somebody who wants that. Well, it's a robot, right? So it's like, if you want a robot and you always want a dog, here you go. Yeah. It's also a flight to Japan to get it. Unless you live in Japan. Unless you live in Japan. I don't know. I don't know. Hey folks, if you want to get all the Tech Headlines in each day, a big thanks to Richard Truffalino who's been filling in getting those to you every morning. You get about five minutes of Headlines and you're up to date on everything you need to know. Go subscribe to DailyTechHeadlines.com or find us on the Amazon Echo, the Google Home, or in the Anchor app at anchor.fm. Alright, let's talk about the other keynotes. Intel CEO Brian Kazanich did not skirt the Spectre meltdown issue. I mean, how could he? Told the crowd at CES, he expects more than 90% of processors will have updates from Meltdown or Spectre by the end of the week. That's what Intel's been saying for a while. The rest will get updates by the end of January. So, I mean, we've been talking to ourselves about Meltdown and Spectre. Did he talk about the stock sale? Yeah, he did not talk about his suspicious stock sale. He didn't do anything controversial here, but he kind of had to address it and he did it, right? That makes sense. Pretty much all there is to that. As far as cars go, Intel is going to put a hundred of its own vehicles. Now, they're buying the vehicles like a bunch of more forks, but they're their vehicles with their autonomous car system out to try. Two million vehicles from BMW, Nissan, and Volkswagen will be using Mobileye, which you remember Intel owns Mobileye now, Mobileye's Road Experience Management, tech, or development. We'll work on crowdsourcing data to enhance its maps. They're working with here to build the maps into car systems. And in China, Intel's going to work with SAIC and Navinfo to develop Level 3, 4, and 5. 5 is the one where you don't need anybody else but the passenger in the car using the Mobileye system. Let me guess, 2020. Everything's in 2020. They didn't put a date on it, but yeah. Since they didn't put a date on it, we can only assume it must be 2020. Nothing surprising in the car announcements, right? Right. There's so many companies right now that are doing autonomous technology and why not Intel too? Yeah. They're like, that's where people are going to need chips and we don't want to... I know, but they said that about the Internet of Things and they said that about phones before that. I didn't say it about phones fast enough. Yes. They basically have been losing this massive fight to AMD for that stuff and now they're in a position where that small or that power hunger is not a particular issue in this environment. So I'll be curious. I wish them luck. AMD? Or ARM. Different A. My apologies, audience. Now, Luigi is the newest Hawaiian island that is still being built up and is not yet broken through the surface of the ocean. I don't know if that's what Intel named its neuromorphic chip after or not, but it is called Luigi and it's now doing simple object recognition in 2018. So you've got a machine learning platform coming from Intel. There's also Tangle Lake which is their quantum processor. I mean, how could it be named anything else? That's nice. I love it. Tangle Lake's 49 qubit quantum computing test chip now being shared with Research Partner Q-Tec and for North America it's going to be used in Seon processors and the Neon TM framework to transcode identify objects and events and stream the experience from races to fans so you can see what's going on with the car. Anything else on those? No? Chips? Chips? More chips? Let's talk VR. Intel Entertainment Labs is going to launch a 25,000 square foot studio but a 10,000 square foot volumetric capture space in Manhattan Beach that's just south of Los Angeles. Paramount is its first partner. They're not the only ones doing this. Amazon's doing a similar thing in LA. But Intel has VFX artist and designer Diego Priluski who worked on Prince of Persia, Clash of the Titans. He was part of a company called Replay that Intel acquired so he's kind of their in-house guru on this stuff and they want to partner with movie studios to create cool VR content using this volumetric studio space. They built a whole western town in there. What's your name for people to go in and play? Well, unless your name is Paramount. Oh, okay, okay. That's why I thought you were talking about thinking is this today's laser tag? This is for movie studios to shoot VR stuff, like higher quality VR stuff to try to improve that. They're also partnering on VR coverage of the Olympics and they'll no longer be calling their technology 3D as much as I chuckle every time I use to say it. It's now called TrueView, which sounds way more Intel to me. It does make you giggle. I think it's a big problem. Overall, how you grade Intel on their announcements yesterday? I'm giving them a BB minus. These are all things they had to announce but nothing really sharp. There's quite a bit of volume, especially since Intel has been dragged through the mud a bit. Volumetric. Didn't even do that on purpose. It's kind of good timing. They obviously have been putting a lot of stuff together. The Olympics are about to start too. On the VR front, that's sort of a nice boost. That would be one of the places that I'd be most interested in something like VR, even more so than regular sports just because they're the only happen every few years. Let's take a look at Samsung. Not part of its CES announcement but they announced its forecast of a record Q4 operating profit of 15.1 trillion won up 64% from a year ago. Everyone must be happy. Analysts expected it to break the record even more. They expected them to have 15.9 trillion won so people are disappointed. Samsung was able to set the records that it did because it sold a lot of DRAM chips higher DRAM chips and had strong sales in their other sectors as well. Analysts believed the strong won so the exchange rate didn't help as well as the fact that they gave a bunch of year-end bonuses may have caused them to miss the analyst expectations but we'll find out more about that when they actually release earnings at the end of the month. Let's talk about televisions. Why? It's not like Samsung wanted to. Oh wait, did I say that out loud? Intelligent TVs, not smart TVs. Patrick. And they have Vixby built in with a guide that tries to highlight the programs you like and put those in front of you. You can log in through your smart phone and compare your smart phone so it can tell you your favorite program is starting and you can start the program right from your phone as long as you have a Samsung phone. Vixby is still a thing? Yeah, Vixby is now a thing. It's gone beyond just the phones. Remember what a roaring success Vixby was in Samsung phones? That was going to be a roaring success helping you to manage your intelligent home life. And they're also going to be a smart things app. They're really pushing smart things out of their system as well. No, smart things. It's their home system. Intelligent TVs will be able to use the smart things app. An intelligent design is something else. Well, I mean, it's funny because TLC was talking about their supporting smart things and the open spec for this. You mentioned before what happened to HomeKit. Nobody cares about HomeKit anymore. Whether we care or not, nobody is making anything cares. And it's messy. And it looks like it's going to be a really messy couple of years, especially if the software updates keep showing up slow and less and less and less and less. Now, they also have smart things cloud and your smart fridge because there's always a smart fridge at CES. I've seen three so far. Can work with smart things cloud. It's going to recommend recipes based on the user and what's in the fridge like smart fridges. If you manually take the time in for the expiration date for everything you put inside your refrigerator, if we can't get that information by scanning it, you'll be able to take advantage of... If it was in the barcode. Yeah, but is it in the barcode? That's the big question. The expiration date may not be. I don't think so. If they could do that, the fridge was scanning everything. You could say, hey, that Milo's looking a little nasty. I think it should just be able to tell just by sniffing. I think in two or three years it's going to be really hard for me to buy a refrigerator because I will not buy a refrigerator with a computer inside of it. Samsung also doing an automotive camera system with collision warning, lane departure warning so they're getting into that business. They've got what they call the digital cockpit that personalizes any car by pulling profiles from your smart things cloud or from your phone. They bought Harman Kardon recently and they basically bought it for all the automotive intelligence in there. And the 55 inch Samsung flip whiteboard. It's really cool. This is their version of the Jamboard of the Microsoft Surface Hub and it's cheaper. It's $2,700 which is a lot but the Jamboard's $5,000 and the Surface Hub is $8,000. You can tell it seems like the people from that particular department built this for themselves and then realized it was a product. That's what it feels like. It works really well. At least the demo works really well. The NFC tap where you tap your phone and then you can control the phone from the whiteboard Ford spoke this morning. Yeah, it was somewhat heavy handed in places. The company had quite a few folks on stage although most of them are sitting in chairs which is sort of unusual but whatever. A lot of emphasis on the smart city and Ford being at the forefront of fixing the cities all over the world but in particular the US of course that thought will feel industry sort of destroys. If everybody's not going to buy a car every few years they're out of the marketplace so you're done. Exactly. One of those things is what Ford calls the Transit Mobility Cloud which is an open source platform that wants to partner with other companies on that was a demo that showed a couple in an autonomous transit van going home from work let's just say. They've had a change of plans. They can use this mobility cloud to swap to a self-driving lift or maybe share program that could be nearby and get to their destination on time so the idea is Ford saying we can't do this all on our own at least not yet but together we can make these cities a lot smarter. CV2X is 5G technology that Ford and Qualcomm are teaming up on so they want to have vehicles that are linked via sensors on the road without having to have a network connection so for example here's another example a driver who has a heart attack while behind the wheel very dangerous right can get medical attention from his connected vehicle other cars can then be redirected around the emergency so everybody is better off than they would be without this technology so that's CV2X from Ford and Qualcomm Ford also announced a partnership with an unnamed city where it's going to start testing its autonomous technology later this year we don't know what that city is and that city Ford is going to also partner with Postmates for delivery routes optimized in real time so a grocery store where I want to get food from or restaurants would use a self driving vehicle to deliver my food without having to be somebody that brings it to me and I tell them thank you I will just tell the car thank you instead so that's Ford and Postmates pretty cool and kind of surprising I have to say that Ford and Postmates teamed up but we saw a company at launch it the other day and I don't remember the name of the company unfortunately but the idea is a self driving vehicle that brings vegetables to you but the idea is that nobody likes to have somebody else pick out their vegetables so it's a van that just shows up and it opens it up and there's your carrots and your broccoli and you can pick out your bananas and everything people went berserk over it so it's like bringing the produce department to your house because it's the one thing people don't like about getting stuff delivered I mean you getting your Charmin is fine Robo-Mart was the name of the company First when you said vegetables I was like but why only vegetables but it's true it's a very personal experience you got to touch them and you like your carrots to look a certain way the the presser finished with some audience participation Ford kind of asked people in the audience what are the companies that you have the most privacy issues with Uber got a lot of answers and it sort of ended with a whimper but again a lot of interesting stuff coming from Ford I'm really interested to know what city they're going to be partnering with Postmates in if it's already a city that Postmates operates in which is likely there can't be too many I mean there's Postmates I know you're hoping it's Los Angeles you're hoping it's Los Angeles yeah I don't like having to look my Postmates in the eye to get my Robin Thanks everybody who participates in our subreddit because of that story is a vote on I'm at dailytechnewshow.reddit.com and at facebook.com slash groups slash daily tech news show before we wrap up I want to find out other things that you guys have seen while you've been trotting around Allison start with you what's a cool CES pick that you don't think people are talking about enough well probably the thing I was most excited about was a product called Irgo Max it's a hearing aid it's got these little tendrils they call them flexi fibers and you stick it inside your ear canal and it disappears it is not visible from the outside at all and as a little thin plastic rod that comes out of it with a little tiny knob on it and the only purpose of that thing is so that you can grab it out of your ear and pull it out the guy had it on the whole time I was talking to him and I did not see it it goes into a really beautiful well designed charging case there are other pods where you stick it in and it charges and they have an 18 hour charge so he said people wear them all day long they never take them off and they actually had to put stickers in the box that you put on your shower to remind you to take them out before you get in the shower because they're so comfortable people forget they're wearing them and they walk into the shower could they do a humidity sensor that just alerts you of like actually that's not a bad idea I like it and then the case itself is something like 4 or 5 days I forget exactly what it was it was a beautiful design there about $2000 $2100 something like that which he said was half the price of regular hearing aids I think that's closer to regular hearing aids more like the price of the lower end it doesn't do any crazy bluetooth play stuff from your phone that's okay it's specifically for age related hearing loss not specific disease problems or anything like that it's just for the stuff we're getting old we're all going to want them it was really cool and the company is eargo.com okay so I'm still obsessing over something that Dell talked about in their event this morning which is not the Dell XPS 13 we did a video about that last week but they started a recycling program where they're recycling motherboards and they said like a ton of motherboards contains 800 times more gold than the average ton of ore that you extract gold from there's a gold mine and them there it gets even better right so they're extracting gold there's a Dell XPS motherboard that's going to be using recycle gold coming out and they realize they're they're extracting more gold from refuse than they can actually use in their production process currently so they announced to deal with they announced to deal with Nicky Reed who's creating jewelry out of the gold that's been recycled and they talked about how much it was really crazy they say something in the neighborhood of $60 million in gold and silver is thrown away in tech every year like goes you know people throw away a phone it goes into a landfill and combined there's just a staggering amount of metals and they talk about basically there's a finite number there's a finite amount of metal in the ground there's a number of people it's increasing and they think it's smarter and smarter to figure out how to create a closed loop and they've they've been doing that with with a couple of different you know product lines to try to figure out how they can recover more material and it's just not cost effective to mind landfills yet yet. Now Patrick if you took a motherboard melted down the gold made jewelry out of it made a tongue ring could you say intel inside? Absolutely or you just swallow I don't work for that one. You saw off a chunk of a chip and swallow it but it's like you know it's the crude I fix it talks about this stuff a lot but like 15% of the electronics in the United States are recycled a ton of the electronics that gets recycled actually gets sent to in the China and is basically melted in the open street to extract the ores from it I mean there's a lot of opportunity to keep stuff out of the ground at that point in the air. They just figured this out. Well they've been working on it for years I think the volume at this point is big enough that they just want to tell the whole world about it. Alright let's finish up the show with something out of the mail bag Sarah. Let's do it. Well this is in reference to us talking about the Samsung The Wall modular television screen whatever you want to call it from yesterday and this Chris says modular video walls have been around for a few years mostly used for event centers concerts my uncle's company rents 8B equipment and just got one of these this year basically each panel connects together doesn't matter which panel you connect where how many you have I'm not sure if you need a device to drive the display or if you could just set them up as mutable displays and I couldn't see a seam when it was turned on but I was some distance from it at the time. No it's a really good metaphor for explaining what Samsung is doing it's like those big scoreboard you know jumbotron type systems where you can kind of see the LEDs except these are micro LEDs so theoretically you can't see them now you went over and took a look at it right yeah in fact the Samsung booth is not far from us and the wall is only one part of they have a huge booth but you can get right up close to it now they've got some Samsung folks sort of standing in front of it barking at people they don't want to get too close they don't want to get too close and they like there's like a hundred people with cameras myself included and they're like no zooming it's like how are you gonna even police this but okay but the display is beautiful and it's sort of cycling between a variety of images kind of some artwork and sort of a fake fire and some snow falling and I didn't see one seam and I was pretty close it's beautiful no zooming so you just walked up real close and haha well we could yeah I mean we're already standing quite close you know there's a very intense looking person keeping you from getting too close yeah he was a humorless man I saw a quadcopter last year with a big with a big sticker on the front of it says no photography why are you here yeah it's complicated I guess I showed my badge and he said oh that was our best guess for Samsung is that they don't want you to see exactly how the micro LEDs are on the product they hope to eventually chip to I mean once it ships it ships right so I'd love to know more about how the modular display gets bigger and smaller because it's like you can't just like take a corner out of a rectangular television and be like I took a module out still works you kind of to take out a certain yeah what are the how are they sized and how does it tell where to put the picture if a piece is missing exactly yeah so I'm sure there's TBD on that excellent I want to see the back of it that too yeah all right well that is it for day two or our second show anyway at CES so let's say thank our guests shall we thank you Allison thank you Sarah that was from the heart what happened to me it's from the heart yeah it's like I'm here for the first time it's really great to be here for the CES Live thing is don't forget to tune in tomorrow for extended daily tech news show coverage I don't remember what I did there yet oh we gotta thank Allison for real Allison tell us besides being here at CES so that folks can keep up with everything that you do the best place to go is podfeat.com and follow me on twitter at podfeat very good Patrick Norton yo what about you what are you up to these days tekthing.com with Shannon who I think is going to be here tomorrow and I do a home theater and audio podcast with Robert Herring called AVXL and we will be having large conversations about the television situation at CES in our next episode alrighty thanks to everybody who supports us on Patreon and the whole reason we're here is 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went from parking lot to the first thing and then walked to the second thing do you have any evidence of this do you have a fit bit well then how can we possibly believe I can show you where my truck is parked I walked 2.62 miles so I could believe he's done 3 but I mean come on that's terrible look at this didn't even fill up my rings you closed your exercise goal I want to hug you because I want to see you how hard is 30 minutes I closed my move goal it's a big pan my wife discovered she wouldn't wake up at 5.30 to run herself but she'll wake up at 5.30 to walk the dog 3 miles every day whatever it takes we're going to Point Race on New Year's Eve and instead we went to adopted dog and brought a dog back and never made it to Point Race a mutt that's like a husky gorgeous really pretty we call her Lupin she's a husky shepherd mix oh nice always the best shepherd mixes I'm a fan, I like the dogs we went out to get something to eat at the LA Market what's that downtown market Central Market LA Central Market we came home with Gray the Dog it happens when you pick a dog but it turns out they pick you totally happens that's what happened with Tesla we went out and picked out a very specific dog online video and this dog looked at us and turned around and walked back into the kennel she said no and this other dog was like no pick me pick me oh my gosh oh she's beautiful I love the eyes what a cutie oh there's a new levelator I noticed when you launched when you launched Audacity it gave you an error are you getting an error that says it can't open it then you just say okay and it opens it I've not launched it so whatever you saw was not what you're talking about but I had another laptop that was doing exactly what you're saying and it always worked but it told me it couldn't open it always says I can't do it and it says okay I do it stay one don't get cocky no one how do you say sit in Japanese 180 degree VR no monkey on my back no one looks behind anyway forged mates self-driving deliveries nothing wall-to-wall see yes coverage a subscription RoboDog K same as yesterday you guys pick it just tell me I'm going to keep working we built this city with tech that rolls what is the rolling tech oh got it tech that rolls and it's I do like how do you say sit in Japanese though no zooming allowed actually the word sit in Japanese is coming on strong that's it right there Zoe said we were supposed to give somebody else credit for it though who was it Nick with a C what are you talking about an 18 degree video wasn't sure if I should point out it was cold out that day how do you say sit in Japanese I tried to just play it off like I messed up you were like no it's shit I'm like we're not reading this is just information we have in our brain I was totally fine I was like I'll take the hit on this one 18 right so how do you say sit how do you say sit very wrong 2016 or 2018 I figure people know those today it was something totally different it was like I inserted someone's name when I met somebody else's how do you say sit in Japanese yes here's to be the consensus that was fun we're going to get a lot of emails about how you say sit in Japanese and I thank you in advance can you say sit in Japanese characters in the title of wordpress no you can't answer about though so what's CYA is that like CYA or is that a currency wait a minute don't warranty on cover your assets ah clever someone's dressed in a zentai suit it's stuck on the wall view so they couldn't see Patrick's picture he's gone the live stream is showing the wall view oh I'm sorry they want to see the dog the popular demand actually Steve can bring it all the way up there Steve can hold it up there why is that that tall no no no the end of the front how does it look Roger hold on hold on everyone says stop talking so I can can't see because we're talking yes okay now they can see it look come back close right there right there right there perfect the dog has made a fresh kill of Patrick's Steve almost got in the video his arm got in the video good job Steve he's a hand model oh well my wife's a big Game of Thrones fan and then at this point also she's read the entire series like three times because she would read it when she was nursing the kids because it was on her phone so she just went through it even volume 5 even volume 5 I will never read that book again hey Steve you should ask Patrick about the 60 Hertz thing with the Apple TV and the Sony and the receiver maybe when we're done here we should go ask that question I use Apple TV mostly I use Roku and several other things sitting in the closet that I've been running video through or using as a DAC we've got one thing we can't get working on 4K that we're I guess I can set it up so we've got a 4K Apple TV hooked up to a Sony the 1080 the new receiver the new 4K receiver and then to the XBR 50 XBR 55 AE whatever it is I'm a watch movies at your house but the Apple TV has the 60 Hertz mode and if we go straight from the Apple TV into the TV over HDMI it'll go 60 Hertz but if we do it through the Sony receiver we can't there's been a firmware updates for the Sony TV is there been a firmware update for the Sony TV Steve not that we're aware of actually we might we turned off Android talking to the internet as soon as possible we got the TV so we'd have to go turn it on and let it I would check for updates on the TV I would check for updates on the receiver too but the TV directly can do it then probably the receiver is probably the problem the receiver might need a firmware update that's the first place I check is the receiver we did a lot of switch flipping oh I'm familiar with the lifestyle how did you fix that well I dumped nine hours of my life into meticulously going through every possible option until one of them maybe start piercing into tears but yeah I would check for firmware updates on the receiver and you know this also might be a wonderful opportunity it's the Sony AVR you know it just so happens a giant full of Sony people I might wander over and see if you get because when you're really really really really really lucky the product manager has been rotated into booth duty those are my favorite days or because they're giving somebody a break or something or because you know they're control free if you get the product manager you tend to get a at least temporarily an elevated level of service or oftentimes really blunt honest answers about what's going on right because it's not filtered through marketing or it's so evasive that you know the problem is that they can't fix it and they don't want to admit it but that's yeah they're here, you're here we've done it right we gave them all of our money so it should work one would think I was a little bit angry I'm not going to lie about ATCP 2.2 requiring me to get a brand new receiver when my Sony receiver was four years old that was just copy protection made me spend $400 if you can't trust it exactly how many copies were you licensed for and in what formats? I'm sorry I did have 30 seconds of fame at all things D many years ago when Steve Jobs was there and I got up and I asked him can you explain to me why I bought I bought this iPad from you and I bought this adapter here from you and I bought the movie Up essentially from you and then I plug it into a projector and I can't play it can you explain to me how high definition copy protection is helping in the anti piracy effort the ACBG yeah it's really ironic the best thing he said you weren't licensed for that second screen it's for display on the iPad only was it before the Apple TV came out yeah yeah this is a long time ago the last thing the one thing he said that we really liked was he just said I feel your pain it's funny because I bought all this from you I mean it was a Disney film just an example I'm going to try that line we have a difficult to be the RSS feed I feel your pain it really really helped please alright what do you want to do this guy it was funny we have a gentleman up here who every once in a while just yells something from the balcony above us oh ok yeah our tower is lower than their tower yeah there's a wallmark the tower is proud it's a proud tower oh Ethan Cain says did you subscribe to their continued 60 hertz service plan oh right yeah you didn't do that that's actually at the 60 hertz video streaming from Comcast yeah right right alright so the show is published this has been delightful I hope it's been fun for you tonight it was my pleasure maybe at the MGM we could go to the MGM cool place in there there's an arcade in there I understand the level up lounge excellent any last bullet before I shut off the stream you like pinball right recycle your electronics properly it's really the only arcade game everyone wave at the camera bye