 First question is from pretty three thoughts on biggest loser challenges in the workplace I didn't even know this is have you guys seen look at us you guys know what these challenges are right? So they get like groups of people at work and we're all gonna you know be in a contest for 90 days See who loses the most weight, you know type of deal Thoughts what are your thoughts on these? Well, I used to I used to run one at 24 fitness What'd you call it? We call it the biggest loser challenge. Oh, wow The difference though is that we did not go off of weight We measured body fat percentage and so it was the the greatest percentage of change Over and it was over the course of I believe we did Do you remember how long I did it for Justin? We did like three months. Yeah I think it was three months long is what we did it's better. That's better though Because I had I had a buddy that that did a bet with our clients fought over who actually won Mine and Adam's clients, so I had a I had a buddy who he's belongs He's an investment baker and he's got all these buddies that are all investment makers So they all make a lot of money and they're all real fat and out of shape or whatever and they made a bet It was a three-month bet $50,000. Wow who could lose the most weight now? My friend won, but he gained the whole fucking thing when he did the weigh in he bulked up for it He drank soy sauce was eating salt got a huge pizza Bloated hello car then he cut water fasted use the sauna. Yeah, so body fat percentage is smarter way to measure No, and that's for that exact so, you know We mentioned in the intro about biggest loser starting next week. That's one of the things so the very I watched The first probably I want to say four or five seasons of biggest loser And the very first season for those that have been fans of the show are watching it I really liked I remember when it came out and I thought this is really cool It was during a time too when like reality TV is like exploding and shit like that I'm like, you know finally like a positive Reality TV like the good intention part of it was there in the beginning agreed Yeah, but when there's that much money on the line It's only a matter of time before enough people catch wind of it and figure out how to dramatize this How do we make it more interesting exactly and that's exactly what started to happen seasons 2 3 4 and beyond was the first One was nobody knew what to expect how you would win what the competition would really look like and it was just like it was It felt real and it felt like it was a good authentic show But then it seasons to come later on people find out Oh, yeah If you get as fat as you can going into the show Sodium load like crazy water load like crazy. You'll shoot your weight up, you know 20 30 pounds especially for someone who's that overweight you add somebody somebody who is 300 pounds You load them on a ton of sodium and carbohydrates and gallons of water Heading into that you can manipulate by like 30 power to see. Yeah, that's one thing I want to pay attention to from watching it like how they're handling all that like how they're handling the testing Specifically if it's just going off of weight like how much of the after Effect or they gonna show with them now being immersed back in with their family and like how you know Like I'm thinking to follow them a couple months later. They do all that. Yeah, they do so and but they here's the thing They don't discuss the water manipulation. At least they had it in the shows that I'd seen so they don't they don't discuss that For a but what I don't know. Okay, it's how many of the trainers on the back end are coaching that way I mean, why wouldn't you yeah, you want to win, right? You know, right is weight and it's unless it's explicitly in the rules not to do it Which it may be it may be in the rules that says Water manipulation is forbidden or whatever. I mean, how do you you can't for how could you forbid that? Like I can manipulate your water just by messing with your carbohydrate intake in your water Sure, but maybe they'll say things like you have to be hydrated or you know that kind of stuff Yeah, so so here's the thing with these challenges in the workplace. They're phenomenal Ways to set yourself up for failure. Unfortunately. I mean, there's nothing inherently wrong about a contest But your chances of succeeding long term after following one of these is very very low because it's a it's a it's a perfect storm Your typically you're in a situation where you're not working out not eating, right? And so this gives you the spark to do something but now you're in a contest So you really go for it you do everything you can you use willpower the whole time Nothing wrong with willpower in the short term But willpower does not work in the long term Behaviors work long term if you have to use willpower long term you're gonna fail every single power is just the spark now That's it And so what happens they go in there super amp super motivated do everything it's all about willpower the second the contest is over It's done. I'm done I'm over it and people tend to bounce out of it and bounce out of it worse than they were when they first entered now Here's how I'm gonna defend it what I do want. Hell. Yes, I would Because I think I'm a master of manipulating my fucking body composition And if there was a chance for me to win $50,000 amongst my friends or co-workers I know that I could do that and what regardless if I think it's healthy ideal or anything like that So I think the the mindset that you go into it matters everything So if you know that if you know that you're going to be manipulating water Manipulating your your body composition to win a competition Then it's like a sport and you're treating it that way go after the money fucking But if you think that this is a good idea to get yourself in shape that I don't think that's I don't I don't think it's because to your point It is it's setting you up for failure because you're the way you're going about it is not it reminds me of Have you I'm sure you guys train clients who were like, you know what one of my goals is to run a marathon So I'm gonna that's what I'm gonna train for I'm gonna run a marathon And so they use that as their motivation they train they change everything about their lifestyle They do the marathon after the marathon is over. It's everything's done Well, I think younger me would have been all about it Like you know, this is this is a great way to get people involved and to get them moving and to get them motivated And you know fueled towards the right direction But you know an experience in dealing with people and seeing the trends of how this all plays out You'd like there's a lot more negative to it than positives for me. I just see the rebound effect I see people being even more Likely to not want to repeat that again. And so therefore it's like they're in a different place About their view of fitness even then from then on out now that being said I mean are you or are you guys not in the same page that I am that if your family who probably Doesn't have good relationships with exercise and food like we all do put up a $10,000 bet that who can manipulate or who can lose the most weight. It's just the game sure right Would you not sure because you guys know that you're probably better at that than it's just a game You know at that point it's just a game, but if you're entering into it and thinking oh, this is gonna get me in shape This is gonna work for me or whatever You're gonna set yourself up to fail. It's actually a terrible strategy and it actually might even make it worse Yeah, and if you never did in the first one, I will it will I mean I think it unless you have That mindset that it's a game, you know the same way that you approach Training modalities that are like sports. I E cross fits, you know, if you go into it with that mentality then by all means It's you know, I'm playing I play basketball because it helps me stay in shape and I love playing basketball Do I think it's the best way to stay in shape? Absolutely not So if you go into a competition like this knowing it's a sport. It's a competition It's not the healthy way for you to stay in shape then by all means But if you enter it like a lot of people do innocently Thinking like oh, this is a great way to start my new year and get in shape and get all the work people together Let's get a bunch of people together. We're gonna do a fun event then cool. Yeah, but it's not gonna change it