 This is such a special pleasure being the the managing partner of enable ventures and looking out and seeing the rock star Absolute rock star talent. We have here today entrepreneurs from the disability market Advancing technologies and solutions new innovations to close the disability wealth gap. I want to do a lightning round here Get inside of their minds about why they're doing this and what their company each of them Set has set out to do each of them are founders and CEOs So let me start with you Tibo tell me about your company And the origin story behind it Yeah, sure Thanks for having us here and and for you to be here and to hear about disabilities and and and technology So I'm founder and CEO of Eva Eva is a company that helps people who are deaf and hard of hearing To have conversations as accessible as you have them every day when you have this privilege, which is called hearing I was born in a deaf family and Basically, this is something where I've always acted as the interpreter growing up And at some point, you know scaling what I was doing from beyond the scope of a family to The number of deaf-hardening people which is about 450 million people in the world. That's like one out of 20 Was like something where we needed technology so we built an app that provides live captions So based on artificial intelligence, but also human health depending on the situation. You have a complex conversation You want to have human intimidation? But when you have a day-to-day conversation and a dinner Something pretty simple. You can actually rely on automatic captions And so we built the the fastest and most accurate captioning tool today that 100 and thousands of deaf-hardening people are using every day. Thank you so much to bow And so there's my friend fire and I tell me Byron what you're doing and why? Absolutely. Well, good afternoon everyone. My name is Byron. I'm the co-founder and CEO of divergent Divergent is the first all-virtual platform providing job and life-schools training to the 70 million Americans and adults Who are in the autism and cognitive difference population and so for us? We really envision divergent as the first life-long skills development platform for the adult disability population For me, it's really about building a company that you know selfishly supports my family I have a brother Brandon. He's a 23 year old autistic self-advocate He has a co-occurring intellectual disability and our family is like those 70 million other families You know, we want to see him be able to achieve and really attain a meaningful life Realize full potential So be self-sufficient independent But the real challenge is that you know, we're all up here today because the innovations and market historically I've not kept up with the needs of this population so looking forward to having a really deep conversation and Talk more about what divergent solutions do Thank you Byron. My name is Ziv is a Leader a transformative founder Mayan. Tell me about your company and why you're doing it. Sure. Thanks, Gina So hi everyone. Nice to see you. My name is Mayan based in Toronto, Canada I started a company called access now Mostly because I was tired of getting stuck in the street. I Would show up at businesses. I'd go on vacation You know, I imagine booking a hotel to show up at a conference and then there are five steps to the entrance After you've spent hours and hours researching just to get a clue. Is it going to be accessible or not? And really, that's what led me to launch access now In short what we do is we have a mobile first platform that connects business owners with consumers Consumers that have questions about how accessible spaces are and if they'll actually meet their needs So in short, you know, whether you need a restaurant a hotel a store an office a health care facility You shouldn't be stuck in the street. You should be able to know does that space have a wheelchair accessible washroom Does it have a braille menu? Is it a cent free space? Etc. Etc. So we we launched seven years ago actually as a grassroots initiative And now we're really excited to say that we're in 10,000 cities and sharing information about accessibility both With four and by the disability community That's terrific Charlotte Dales from inclusively. Why are you doing what you're doing over there? So I'm Charlotte Dales. I'm the CEO and co-founder of inclusively and I started this company a few years ago I have a cousin that has Down syndrome and I actually had a tech company When I was living over in London and while we were selling that business She became the first licensed facialist in the state of Florida with Down syndrome so she gives facials at a local salon and Ultimately after getting my first facial from her. I knew this would be my next company It was just incredibly clear to me that what she'd been told her potential was her whole life was Not really her full potential and what I noticed most importantly when I went and got my first facial from her was that her in working Employer only had to make some really basic accommodations or adjustments to her working environment and obviously the incredible impact it had on her career and so I wanted to figure out how can we use Technology to make it really really really really easy for employers to accommodate candidates unique requested scale across the disability spectrum So we cover everything from Down syndrome and autism to stress anxiety depression chronic illnesses physical disabilities and Everything essentially covered under the ADA. So that's what we do Terrific and Richard Hanbury from Sana Health. Tell us about your story Yeah, so 30 years ago. I was driving a Jeep down a road in the Yemen near the capital snar I had to drive off a bridge to avoid the head on collision next to a petrol truck So I had a spinal cord injury traumatic an injury aortic tear and all that resulted in the nerve damage pain problem That was so severe. I had a five-year life expectancy So I had to make a device to solve my own pain problem Standard of care really hasn't changed at all in 30 years. They've been smart small improvements in some areas, but not really The way I sold it was an audio visual neuromodulation So this is what the next general device looks like. So it uses pulse light and pulse sound to change patterns in the brain Now we're going off to a target market, which is basically a quarter of all Americans so 25% of Americans take a psychoactive drug on any given day opioids benzos or sleep drugs and We're aiming to be a replacement for those or part of the toolkit that replaces those terrific, you know each of you are working in companies that address different parts of the disability community and Have cross-cutting capabilities you are reliant upon the community as Your customers your consumers where your demand comes from I'd be interested for you to tell the audience a little bit about your the Relationship between your market rate companies and the community the disability community to go. What do you have to say about that? I have to say that started when I was born, you know, it's like I don't see them as customers and clients You see them as family You know, I grew up in Paris in France. That's where the accent is from and basically, you know, the friends of my parents were deaf and You know, I had friends that were hearing and deaf, but they were mostly in the same community So it's fun because you know growing up and and building a solution to to address problems I would see my my father face my my sister, too You know, we help in in companies so like, you know meetings to be accessible was super important And so my father basically never got promoted manager because of that So always kind of like something being told like you cannot do it Or you know a deaf person cannot like manage or sort of communicate the same way I Ended up just being able to help my sister. She wanted to be a lawyer. It was your lawyer in France. That was deaf and You know using our product and obviously working like three times harder than I do She ended up becoming the first deaf lawyer in France and and for me This is important because it's like everything comes from there. My co-founder is deaf himself He's a CTO and we made it to the four stomach under 30. There's never been any deaf person before on that list and it's kind of like Shocking in the same time, you know, this is like our responsibility to like, you know, open up that that space People who don't always, you know, get their stories heard because communication is their disability, you know It's it's hard to communicate with the deaf person So it's like it's it's worth the extra push on their stories to hear them more Because you know, it's harder for them to just, you know Go in a family or even a restaurant sort of dinner and share the point of view and for you to hear their stories So we try to make them Loud and clear and that's kind of objective. It's terrific, you know, Byron I want to ask you a slightly different question. Please. Okay So Divergent has been deployed in states in the United States in the workforce system And it seems that you've been able to reach other populations Other DEI populations with your upskilling platform that originated to serve people with autism Can you talk about how? Disability solutions begin solving for one problem, but have often so much potential to reach other people in society I think that's a huge question for us because when we when we think about the curriculum and what we built with our platform I think the initial Again, the initial Selfish desire was, you know, built for my family But the experience that we had was what we were seeing around getting access to high quality 21st century job Trading getting access to social skilling getting access to really the essentials that means successful in a workplace These are not just disability specific Needs, but they are acutely and more strongly felt in that community. So what we were finding was that, you know Well for us, we are the first company that has a reimbursement element around our job training That's something we're really proud of we're in Arizona. We're in Texas We always say that we're the first we're first filming company that has successfully adapted a healthcare model into the way in which Our go-to-market operates. So in that mechanism, what we found is that you have States which actually support populations beyond That neurodivergent population which we started they're supporting veterans supporting folks with severe mental illness chronic conditions We're also supporting folks across Native American populations in Arizona That was actually one of the biggest pilots that we ran was across the Navajo and Hopi nations And we're finding that there is that commonality and challenge That in many ways was enabled because we were thinking Universal design we're thinking accessibility. So I feel that in many ways that was a way to really Lift all boats in a sense that we were able to start with that population and actually find relevance across the board That's terrific. And Mayan talks very casually with me and she'll say you know when I when I light up a city When I turn on a city and I say what are you talking about? And she really lights up a city. Can you explain to folks what that means and Beyond the metaphysical that is Also explained what the consumer market is that that is driving demand for your particular solution Yeah, happy to I Mean maybe I'll start backwards and say, you know, we're talking about an extremely overlooked and underserved market The disability market as you spoke to earlier today touches Every person at some point in their life and so often when I'm speaking with people and they say, oh, well, that's really nice But that that's a you problem. I say well Just wait a few years or if you sprain your ankle or you know Maybe your your mother is now acquiring a disability as she's aging or the list goes on and on and so the way we've looked at it is that Accessibility is fundamentally a customer service Issue that's been neglected for a very long time So what we do is we connect with business owners and we turn on cities in in the fact that we look at Geographic zones where there are clusters of businesses Lots of citizen engagement lots of people who are you know going places doing things and we we look at you know What are all the touch points that a citizen or a customer has in their life? Where do they need to go to shop? Where do they need to you know a place to stay if they're traveling and and how can we enable freedom of choice? And if you've noticed I haven't talked about accommodation and I haven't talked about disability I'm talking about consumer decisions driven by a pain point that has been Ignored for too long. So what we do is we we go city by city and we started just with one We started with Toronto because I needed to get around and we've been able to grow By connecting people with disabilities friends families And and now also parents with strollers and the list goes on People who have recognized that they've got some type of need that drives their decision-making That has been neglected By mainstream platforms and by general businesses So they come to access now looking for that information And now we have kind of the the unique asset where we can connect that data and that Consumer engagement directly with the citizen with the cities sorry That actually provide that value. So that's kind of the two-sided relationship. We're building terrific and Charlotte Dales you are working on a two-sided marketplace a job matching platform and You are driving inclusive hiring as a result Can you talk a little bit about what it's like to compete in existing sectors and markets that are saturated? But to drive new value by your relationship to the disability community and people who are thinking of how their job search is run differently, yeah I mean it's similar to what my and just said which is that a Huge part of their decision-making with wanting to get a job and frankly anyone can identify with this like There's the actual skills and the job and the company and the compensation and all these things that we already use to make our decision But then there's you know putting disability side like what's the maternity leave what are the health care benefits? What's the flexibility, you know, these are all accommodations that you know Are are overlooked for everyone when they're looking for a job, but it's particularly more adversely affects people with disabilities Who just have different access requirements who may perform better in an interview setting? That's slightly different than the one that the company has been rinsing and repeating over and over And so I think that You know for us when I started this company so many people said, you know, why isn't why are you not a nonprofit? And I thought, you know, well because if I really want to make impact I need businesses to see the actual value in hiring people with disabilities not Feeling like it is Optically moving an initiative forward that they speak about but that it actually provides value because if you can create a sustainable business Model around impact you can actually continue to grow it And so I think when you're existing inside of a, you know Industry that's been sort of baked for many many years. There's lots and lots of Pattern matching that happens and that's really I think the biggest piece that it's really not that hard to accommodate people with Disabilities the majority of accommodations are free or under $500 But when you're existing in this ecosystem that's had the same type of almost Superficially efficient hiring processes over time You're really just trying to explain that this other way is not only Easy to execute it on it untapped a huge demographic for you that's gonna be Has provides a lot of benefits on its own and by being able to be flexible. You're just creating a better hiring process for everyone Richard I want to ask you something How have your personal experiences informed your understanding about market intelligence in the sector you're trying to sell into? Well these personal experiences go into two buckets Because now I have a personal experience on the the business side on the original side, it's kind of understanding that There's no actual real difference between mental health and Central mediation of pain I mean literally in the brain It's the same pathway that's dealing with anxiety as dealing with pain and the number of things has done catastrophically wrong the whole time like Oh, you have pain, but that's gonna be making you depressed Also will give you some more drugs for the depression even though you're only depressed right now because you're getting taking this chemical Hit because you've been in pain So all of those kind of things that get missed But it's even by really good pain doctors who know what they're doing They still miss some very basic things on a very regular basis. So that's on the personal side being able to tell people Yeah, I know what that's like because And then on the business side I've been sort of you know experiencing a lot of The fundamental things that are wrong within the US health system You know in the UK the last person to be made medically bankrupt was in 1956 Here it would have three people would have been made medically bankrupt while we've been on stage It's the largest cause of personal bankruptcy in the US larger than every other cause put together even in spite of Obamacare And so kind of understanding from a personal perspective like how How do you get out and help more people and how do you find the people who need the largest help? Yeah, both the 30 a journey of trying to do the device And the personal stuff they both help You know, I'm curious and I'll just open this up to all of you But how do you think the solutions that your companies are advancing will have impacts across society? You know, I I was reading in the Wall Street Journal the other day that 70% of generations he prefers captions Yeah, yeah, it's you know, so talk a little bit. We'll just go around talk a little bit about how the The matters that you deal with every day are advancing innovation across civil society Yeah, I mean I I think about it a lot I think we know in the in the technology of communication, right and There's already been fundamental revolutions in technology and when you look at the history, you know, Internet the SMS Like things that you use every day What what what is a little known is that the you know, some of the inventors were deaf or hearing or they did it for deaf Hard-of-hearing people like Alexander Graham Bell his wife was hard-of-hearing so invented the gramophone and he ended up being in the telephone They serve hard of hearing and co-founder of the Internet with Bernosi. So so the shortcut is really that You know death are being people are at the front forefront of those communication technologies because I have those needs and You know those needs sort of change and so, you know, they were doing captions wait before You know the teenagers use captions, but somehow, you know, like for big companies. It's important to find The business value in this right to be able to sort of like provide it for everyone and we just keep repeating You know if you invest in accessibility you actually create value for everybody and you know What more than just proving this by just creating successful companies who improve the customer service You know, we work with some of the largest retailers in the world and Basically, you know doing covered everybody was telling them like hey like you have those clients now that just can't understand What your your people in stores are saying and so they basically change their conception of what means to be doing customer service Right in stores. That's like, you know starting from a technology that was using a very personal sphere You know extending to the rest of society and now, you know, you have like 250 stores across the US Who are you know with this structure that was led by deaf people and we'll end up to have like a more inclusive store for people from foreign languages You know and and also like hard of hearing people who just didn't dare to say that they didn't understand and they didn't even ask for for advice So I think changing this infrastructure Using disability as kind of like source of invention has been done before and it's about recognizing those patterns and really investing and and sort of like pushing this and We don't do this everywhere. It's a you he hid a little nugget in there Which is that the captioning technology that you have created could advance? Translation of language as well. So serving other populations Byron, what's your answer on that? I'm always sort of surprised because for this answer Our biggest insight really came from speak with parents with children who are not in the disability community You know, they when we talked about the job readiness. We talked about the skills development You know, they say hey, I I have a son. I have a daughter You know, they're neurotypical they they aren't in this community But they would benefit because transition to adulthood and independence and self-sufficiency is hard but these are skills that are universal and I think what they're sort of highlighting is that there is a There are these kind of common universal challenges But there are more probably powerfully felt in some communities and others, but they are still universal problems so when we think about what we're doing around the Really the support of you know, of providing somebody say a great career. That's you know of the of the modern era Another way to think of it is that we are trying to support someone to become independent Which is really the hallmark that a lot of families look at as you know, I'm independent. I'm self-sufficient I'm starting to realize my potential So I think about the kind of broadening of civil society is that we're getting these So we're sort of early indicators from states like Texas. We're getting some indicators from you know Academic studies. We're getting about 2,500 folks who are in the disability community who have gone through our programs And yet the the request is you know, when are you going to broaden this? You know from special education from workforce development into a broader pool And I think all the solutions on here are building towards that kind of a future and you know We'd be foolish not to get them and Maya. What do you think? So as we're having this conversation I keep thinking about something that I know is true But a lot of businesses or organizations that I've engaged with have not yet figured out Now you will all know this as well is that I very much look at the world is that I am not Disabled it's the environment around me. That's the disabling factor the fact that And And and you know this applies actually to many organizations that work towards advancing inequities and in various groups But for the disability community this concept about nothing about us without us is Fundamentally the difference between companies like these that are building with and for the disability community Where's this companies who have not yet acknowledged that major gap? And so the way that we look at it at axis now is that we are building trust Inherently with a community that's been underserved and neglected for a very long time And that that trust and that loyalty Has value and that's an asset that can power many other companies around the world Companies that are consumer-facing digital websites event planning booking, you know all Reservations like we touch city building and infrastructure because what we're what we're narrowing in on is the insight For a mass demographic That has just not been part of mainstream Discussions or ways of doing business So we we don't look at it as an add-on we look at it as a fundamental way to changing how we do business with every company that's consumer-facing and And Charlotte how it how is inclusively driving change across civil society? Um, so similar to what Mayan has said like we think about this as Disabilities the largest minority segment. It's making it the largest untapped talent pool as well because it has the highest unemployment rate But it's also the segment that intersects all other Diversity demographics so when you solve for disability you're not just solving for disability, but you're broadening pathways for you know first-generation college grads single parents caregivers of people with disabilities And so our vision at inclusively is to create one front door for everyone There doesn't need to be a side entrance for people with disabilities and a platform over here for people of color If you can actually solve the problems about why they're not getting in your front door in the first place then Solving for disability is you know got probably the most use cases you can find and it's going to touch every other demographic And so we believe that by solving for that you're solving for a lot of the other Diversity and inclusion and ESG initiatives that the companies and culturally we're trying to solve for now Richard, how are you contributing across civil society through son of health? I was just going to disagree with one thing that's that was said that Disability isn't a minority It is the majority. So 70% of people are taking a drug for Pochonic illness 40% of the population are taking it for two 90% of the population Surveyed by CNN and KFL two weeks ago said that we are in the middle of a mental health crisis And they knew someone personally who is in the middle of mental health crisis Standard care of the drugs if you take all the psychologists and psychiatrists in the entire country and have been working in a fantasy world Where there was no paperwork so they could do 95% efficiency. They could still only reach 6% of the population so you've got drugs that don't work you've got a lack of Mental health professionals and that number is falling Digital health the broad category has to fill that gap and we're a part of that solution So we're basically with this device Removing the need for a lot of those meds that have extremely long-term bad problems Including massive increases of risk of Alzheimer's and dementia. So really it is Being part of the solution to remove drugs from the system Where they don't work where they cause long-term damage and Giving people back more control over their lives. I Want to ask all of you to please share your vision For where your companies are going and where they will be in a few years from now Yeah, thank you It's it's always an interesting exercise because you know in the beginning you have those big visions And we have to be very focused on on the next step, you know And then as things progress and you grow and now we're like a team of 50 people You start actually beings like this is actually possible like we could get there. So for us What's important is like when we touch Therefore hard of hearing communication. It's about captioning and when we think about captioning, it's about conversations, right? We power conversations that are happening in schools at church at Spork In customer centers in parks all those kind of things that actually makes us human, right? Like we speak for I think the average is like 10 billion hours a day at the human level population And I always like I'm fascinated at this because I'm like I remember those conversations I have with friends and we just like kind of like spend two three hours in a backyard and just having this profound memory Our number one enemy is memory because two weeks later. You basically forgot what happened, you know And you just remember it was a good time But like all the things you've learned sometimes that's really frustrating. So we're thinking about like a revolution around deaf-led Communication to be different You know, what's interesting is like a deaf person will will naturally need an intimidation But when you use it just as a as a day-to-day Sort of hearing person you actually find the value you can remember you can have that perfect recall of conversation You can find and share context when you need to as well And you were talking about sort of like the way it spills over like we we end up having parents of autistic children Who just you know talked to us and say this is really important We having sort of this this kid who needs it so we see this kind of like spreading across society But what's fundamental is the question around human communication, right? It's like how do we improve human communication at an era with technologies in our pockets and You know, we see sleep we see running we see tons of Technologies out there improving all our skills, but we don't think about communication Like when's the last time somebody really give you insightful feedback about your own communication? It's where you have to figure out all by yourself You spend sometimes 20 years Sometimes you don't even get it to think about like how to come to get better and this is really the matrix for the rest of Human collaboration. So our Eva company logo is an ampersand. It's not like a caption bar or anything It's an ampersand. It's about connecting a human with another and figuring out how to make this better Byron, where are you going with your company? It's it's it's tricky to tell a vision without maybe telling an uncomfortable fear and this is really I think Really a purpose of not talking to the autism the cognitive difference population Especially when it comes to the families that you know both myself and maybe folks in the audience may feel but Right now the fear that we hear from parents and we hear from families is what happens when I'm gone and self advocates You know articulate this or as well as those who are moderate or higher support this This is really baked into the identity of divergent. It's a feeling that right now This feeling is felt because the system itself is not supported because there isn't a Pipeline there isn't a level of readiness or supported training that can prepare somebody for that next phase of life towards adulthood and so when we hear this And when I hear this like I kind of think back to you know my family as well, you know, we feel us because Mother for my brother me my mother passed away nine years ago. And so we're sort of half maybe darkly We're halfway there, but what's going to happen our family? So when we think about the vision we think about what they call falling off the cliff You know, this is what happens for many in the disability community where if you Turn 21 22 in states you lose your services. You lose you lose your schooling your counseling your therapy You enter into a very chaotic adult services Ecosystem and what we want to be is the safety net that somebody can bounce back Actually be successful and thrive because of this type of believe this type of modern support and skills development So I see I think about that vision as being that safety net No, how can we catch and be able to get somebody back on track because that's that's the aspiration of self-advocates Yeah, that's the aspiration of families and it's really universal as well My aunt where's your company going? world domination so What I'm gonna light up the world, right? Not just cities. I mean So we started in isolation. We started on our own We started with a group of volunteers who you know, I would call up my friends and say hey Well, when did you get your haircut last and did they move the chair and could you drive up to the? The mirror in your wheelchair like we started really, you know with the tiny moments where we're just trying to figure out You know, what is good customer experience look like when you have a disability? And I think where we're headed now is that we've seen an amazing shift in the last year. I'll say Where businesses are starting to realize that there is a huge market opportunity and for us that's tremendously exciting because as opposed to working in isolation, yes We work with businesses directly, but now we can also power through our data and our insights Every other platform on the internet that is consumer facing so the next time that you Look to book a hotel or make a decision that requires you as a consumer to purchase something Or to move through a city or to decide where to live You are also met with data and direct insights that are Reflecting authentic lived experience. So for us, that's really the next frontier is being able to power All the other solutions and hopefully many more to come with authentic honest data that captures both real human lived experience from a variety of different needs And and we do that by using actually machine learning, but I'm not gonna talk about that today. That's next panel That's your secret sauce. That's your next panel. Okay Charlotte what where are you going? So I kind of said my vision earlier But we want to create one front door for everyone what that kind of looks like in practice is that Any hiring manager anyone interviewing a candidate if they receive a resume and an accommodation request alongside that They know what to do. They're not sending it off to legal and compliance, which is traditionally what's happening right now And I think that's when you kind of know that people are actually making this part of their daily practice and not some tangential diversity initiative and someone asked me recently how will I know if I've succeeded and I have two kids one on the way and I think that I Think that if you know in 20 years when they're entering the workforce if their boss or their boss's boss Was an inclusively candidate or has a disability? That's like gonna be the sign that not only did we help get people into jobs But they want to be promoted and be leaders and managers just like everyone else and you know Having leaders of large organizations being represented by people with disabilities will mean that not only did they Care about hiring people, but they cared about changing the culture so that they're successful as well Richard where are you going in the future with sauna health? So we should have five FDA indications in the next 18 months five from larger neuropathic pain anxiety depression PTSD Becoming standard of care for those five instead of the currently available drugs is the is the real aim Within five remanded Lyrica is the best-selling drug. It's so bad on its side of facts that 90% of people aren't taking it by two years We are providing a much better alternative So it's basically Helping the worst of the worst get off the drugs that aren't working and then working backwards to become standard of care So that when someone goes to a primary care doctor in five years time with anxiety Impacting mental health or pain then the doctor says okay Use this device and then come back and I'll see what symptoms are next worth treating on your list of treatments That's him. Terrific. Okay. Give this panel a hand of your hand some applause We're gonna take a couple of questions. We are running out of time, but we'll try to do a If the spirit moves you kind of panel, so if you're moved to answer these questions you guys Looks like first one from the audience Well, somebody says t-bows that we should have captions next time. It's okay. Yeah, how about it? We discussed about it like thunder was supposed to come but he's in Taiwan right now And you know, it's like if any deaf person had said like hey, I'm interested for recommendations We would have done it, but I think you know just logistically we are we're gonna do it next year you commit to it. Okay Let's do that. Let's do that. That'll be great. It'll help everyone So how does disability interact with DEI? It's a big question from the audience You know what I've observed is I think that disability is often erroneously left out of DEI conversations in finance. So how do we change that? Do you all identify with driving change through the the the middle of DEI by doing what you're doing I could start I Finds that this is a very odd part of my job is that I sit in conversations and where I'm led to speak with DEI experts and they're often completely just with question marks about how disability fits in and I think that in itself is a major issue. I mean disability reflects the diversity of all human experience and Until we get to the point where disability is acknowledged in those conversations I think we're very far from reaching a day where these types of conversations are the norm So I think you know, it's it's up to the people at this conference in many ways If you're working in that space to ask yourself Am I engaging the disability population and if not, how can I and who on your team has a disability right now? And if not work with inclusively The other question and real quick we got we got this guys How's the ADH generation going to change everything for this marketplace? What the ADA generation people who come come of age with rights access and consumer Preferences the idea was like 25 years ago So this still is like inspiring other Legislations all around the world and it's interesting to see that I think Europe just passed the legislation Canada sort of passed it as well I think, you know, not enough is the first thing right like the DEI Initiatives just not always taking into account accessibility. It's it's something where I don't think the ADA generation is the one I think maybe the millennial generation though a climate change aware Generation that starts just to include those problems and leave them. It could be mental health It could be all those those kind of things. It's about awareness So the generation that will create more awareness will be able to tackle this This has been terrific. Thank you guys for joining me on stage and thank the audience for being here for it This has been fabulous