 You would have seen the movie, As It Is In Heaven, how many counts. Oh, I can't count, but I know I've talked with the director inviting me, the filmmaker, my colleague, who had lunch with me. And so I went with him, because I know he's quite a famous director, and he's done many, many films, but then he had a long stretch in his life, quite a number of years where he did not make film. And then this Holy Spirit just started really stirring in him, and he really poured his heart and soul. In fact, it's like it's been like a rebirth. He really got in touch with that as his purpose now on Earth, was to really make movies that were totally inspired by the Spirit. And so he told me about how he met his wife at a discotheque, he was guided there for the last five minutes when it was closing, and he kept thinking, I'm not going, why would I go to a discotheque for the final five minutes, and the prompt was so strong, he went there, he met his wife, and actually, As It Is In Heaven, just like the Course in Miracles, was a collaboration. And Kai and his wife, who studies the Course, Kai studies the Course, he studies it for 20 years, and his sister who doesn't study the Course, they all three joined together and collaborated to... I was in the room where they actually drew up with all the whiteboards. They put out all their ideas, and they just let it all just kind of come out of them. And I've actually heard of... Kai told me about some of the e-mails he got. There was a small town in Germany that they started playing that movie, As It Is In Heaven, and they said it was just healing the whole town. They just played and played. They had so many healings around that movie that they decided to invite Kai and his wife and the actors and actresses who were going to fly them off to this town just out of gratitude for all the healings that occurred. Just showing that one movie. Well, they showed him Sidney at the Cormoran and Rausler's theaters. It's been showing for 18 months full house. They ranted up and I heard it was beautiful last month. It was an amazing, extraordinary thing. It's not been heard of since. Full house. It's beautiful. Kai was telling me too that in Sweden that he would get reports from different theaters' movie houses and the strange things like at the end of the movie there would be this deep silence and then applause would just break out. And the movie theater owners were like, what's happening? You know, a deep silence and then almost like a reverent silence and then applause, sometimes standing ovation like you might see in a live theater or whatever. This was for a movie. And I have a friend of mine that I've worked with for a number of years and he's worked with movies. Between us we've seen thousands and thousands of movies. So I had this movie as it was in heaven from Sweden and it wouldn't play because of the region codes in the United States. So we put it into a little laptop and two of us huddled around and he watched the first viewing for him on the laptop, just on the little laptop. And he said at the end he said that was the best movie I've ever seen in my life. We've seen thousands and thousands. We showed it, I believe, at our Blue Mountain movie. Yes, we did. As it was in heaven. As it is in heaven. Yes, that's the English translation. We happen to have a filmmaker from Sweden here. What is, how do you pronounce the title in Swedish? So same in Himmeland. Say it again. So same in Himmeland. What do you think? Yes. So that's, you can just remember the English first, as it is in heaven. Very good. Easy to remember. I first went to see a film called Almost Rush. Ah, oh yes. I thought that was a, that inspired me a lot. Yes, yes. Yeah, just, here we were flying over here all the way across the ocean, Pacific Ocean. And it was the flight from, from New Zealand over here. And it was in Harvest Rush. It was the movie on the plane, even. So we got to see it again. And that was just come out more recently. I've seen it many, many times. It has that same warm, loving feeling. I've seen a lot of, in interest. Yes. Actually a lot of parallels between those two movies. Yes. Very, very many parallels. A lot of parallels. Almost like an American version of the Swedish movie. What's the name of the book? Harvest Rush. Harvest Rush. Oh, you're in for Bay of Trees. You've never seen Harvest Rush. Yes. You'll be just staying in the movies here. And I wanted to leave. What was the one about the spotless mind, you mentioned? Yeah, eternal sunshine. Eternal sunshine. The spotless mind. I'm going to be busy. I don't have any time in this movie. Is there no name? Making choices of how to see the world. And wanting to see things through a different perspective. But then living and working in the ugly controlling world. There's so much resistance thrown up. Every step of the way. Every moment of the day. How do you sort of work with that? Yeah, I started off with ten years of university and then getting ready for my career path and so forth. And when I first came across the course already I think when I was going through career placement and development and looking at that whole thing of what to do for a living and so on and so forth. It started back when I was in ninth grade and they gave me all these aptitude tests and all these vocational tests and everything to see what my skills and abilities were and what my interests were to try to match them up and my scores came out really crazy. The guidance counselors were just looking and going what is this? We've never seen anything like it. My mother was a teacher so they didn't know what to tell her or whatever. What happens is the world that we perceive is again a reflection of our self-concept of our belief of identity that has been made up by the ego. So when we seem to have struggles and stresses on the job and job environments and so on and so forth those are all reflections. You might say they're all being projected through the ego and through the body, projected out based on our concepts and our beliefs that we hold about ourselves. So I think for myself I've just tried to be very willing because like most everybody you grow up as a child and through adolescence and into adulthood and we're clueless. We don't have a clue about what the big picture is about. We're just trying to make it through to the next day and live the life as best as we can and then we take on a lot of duties, responsibilities and roles as part of being a fully functioning adult as a citizen and that's what I did too. And then at one point as I'm going through different job experiences I had a sense that I was being called like some people talk about a spiritual calling and sometimes you hear monks or nuns talk about oh I received my calling or Mother Teresa it was on a train going through India when she got her calling to work with the poorest of the poor and so you start to feel a calling it's different for everyone it's a very intuitive calling towards healing and wholeness and then wherever you seem to be whatever the situation seems to be like a work situation or whatever that's your starting point. Now it's like the spirit works with you on the inside to loosen from that belief system and to clear away some of the obstacles and the debris that's in there and so I always would think of what Jesus said in the Bible you know, we have good cheer and he said my kingdom is not of this world I'm calling it out of the world and many people have tried to just run away from society and go live in the mountains they were telling me about Mom and Vinvi and all the pieces up in the mountains and come down from the market but of course we don't escape the world by running away from the world we have to do it from the inside so I thought the same stresses I mean I had a number of different jobs and whether it stresses from clients or patients or customers or managers, bosses or the stresses of being a manager and having people under you that do not follow the rules and so forth I mean that's just the way that the ego plays out in this world when we have a false identity when we have an imposter identity we get a lot of imposter experiences that are not very happy at all they seem very constricting so I remember having this talk with Jesus one time and saying you know this job situation is bothering me this one is bothering me and then I would talk further I would say and furthermore society I know these people in my environment are bothering me but society in general is bothering me I mean I don't like society and what I would hear back was you think you believe you're in the society but the society is in you or you believe you're in the work environment but the work environment is in you that was very helpful for me because it started to turn the tables a little bit and give me a little bit of a sense of empowerment that I wasn't in the environment but the environment was in me in my belief system and now when we have a course in miracles but quantum physics is showing the same thing now we're really seeing from quantum physics that it's all consciousness and it's like a mirage that we project out based on our consciousness and our belief systems so progressively the Holy Spirit is not going to like rip the tablecloth off the table while the silverware and the china and everything is there so everything goes flying it would be horrifying to have our perceptual world ripped away from us so what happens is high seems to just become more intuitive and more intuitive and soon into the Holy Spirit the Holy Spirit would say this is what you're going to be doing and initially I was guided to interview for this job it was a very difficult job I would have never picked it as David was working with people that were blind and deaf and schizophrenia and psychosis and it was like a very intense job doing pride and helping me get more into prayer, true prayer letting go of all this 10 years of university that I had all this past learning and learning how to pray for the first time to receive guidance so it was very intense and I would have described myself at the time it was a very intense work situation thanks for coming at me left and right every day and I would have even happy to go to the restroom for 20 minutes because it seemed like such high stress but actually I could see from a spiritual perspective it was really designed to help me undo the ego it wasn't anything I would have chosen as David but it was very very helpful from the Spirit and then progressively I was given a series of jobs where I could see that I really was open to listening to my ideas about having a career but paying off debts you know the Spirit you never really abnegate on it and you have to even as an ego set up the mortgages and set up the debts the Holy Spirit is like we can work with that we'll do your mind training and undo the ego and handle the debts and the obligations and the duties so that's really what happened for me it was very intense but I was guided to a series of jobs and the last job that I seem to have it got lighter and lighter to the point where I was teaching psychology at an art institute and I had four hour classes and I could show full length movies and nobody checked up on me and I had a syllabus with all meaning of life topics and basically I taught of course the miracles without using the word God, Jesus, Holy Spirit just using psychological terms and it was very helpful for me because I was so shy as a child in high school in college that I was voted most quiet in my senior class so for me to be standing up in front of mainly teenagers like 17, 18, 19 years old for four hours at a time with no lesson plan, the Holy Spirit wouldn't let me have a lesson plan and I was terrified that I would just freeze because I wasn't even used to talking so it was all designed to undo the ego and to help me be in tune and let the Holy Spirit do it through me so progressively that was with the job I was told then that's the last job you have in the world and you're mine now and you'll be used in ways that you can fathom or understand so don't even try to worry about it and then things got very spontaneous and I've done thousands and thousands of these kind of gatherings and definitely people would say I still had opportunities in countries like Columbia where there's still a lot of fighting and guns and things in Venezuela and different places but basically once your mind becomes unified in purpose the danger is gone you lose all sense of danger you lose all sense of hostility an example of that was going down to Venezuela the president down there was running mock invasions preparing for an invasion from the United States while I was down there and I was on like eight radio stations and two television stations right in the middle of this thing that was going on but it just wasn't in my awareness so I didn't perceive any sense of hostility or danger or friction even with these kind of gatherings I never the mind becomes so riveted in purpose and so unified that there's no sense that anything's ever a problem I know Raj had me here a year or two ago and there was a man who showed up at one of the gatherings who was from the world's perspective a bit drunk and belligerent and but I didn't perceive that afterwards they were saying wow it was really great how you handled that man and at the end the man came up to me and said I want a hug and I give him a big hug and it was an experience but from some of the people at the gathering they were perceiving that he was disruptive he was interrupting and belligerent and stuff but I didn't perceive any of that it was just like a flow to me I was just enjoying I guess that's a practice of how to get there how to let you through the instruction manual exactly that's all I did people have asked me one of these comlink things where it's a teleconference all around the world with all these people and I just met these people in Melbourne this woman who's in a wheelchair and a friend of hers and they both tuned in for it and they thought it was going to be in this comlink conference call and they were all sat down they got already and everything and one of the first early questions was well when people talk to you about A Course in Miracles what advice do you have for them and what came out of my mouth was read the book and then the whole teleconference went off it just completely that was the last three words they were like tuned in for like a two hour teleconference and one of the early questions was what should we do I said read the book and then that was it so they sat there occasionally looking at each other the big drinks for like about an hour waiting waiting for it to come back gone never did and after an hour they just looked at each other and they went I guess we're supposed to read the book they got the book out and they opened it up but that's what I mean by practical you know you just hang it there with you if you want to actually hear the teleconference well that's the teleconference it's still worth recording if you didn't get the problem to read the book we can listen to the audio we can listen to the audio CD that Candace David Paul and Candace did they set up a conference call with like 200 questions and narrowed it down to top 30 questions or whatever and set it up for David and they answered it and there's the audio CD in here as well as a DVD and a music of Christ so like playing in resta see music from the angels and it's all in here every day you can listen to this everything we have is a suggested donation it's back on its way with little cards this is time for teen comic books so it's just all you know this book this book Cab Rage one of these is new right there was one I had last year and then they made another one this one here is is that volume 2 talks yes it's all they made another one David was invited to the course conference in San Francisco last year and he gave two talks and one is a transport training talk which is like stories about how to use it how to train your mind how to get clear ideas regarding healing the body versus the mind practical stories that really help get clear the first talk was metaphysical talks so common errors regarding resurrection you can see for enlightenment through the body all that kind of stuff gets undone in the second talk and there's a DVD in San Pedro which apparently I haven't seen it but it's full of love and laughter and joy and that's not here as well as well as another angel singing so they're new and they're all new known scenes I think that group, the Colton group they sang like the Course in Miracles group and they would like sing these songs before their meetings which is quite a wonderful thing so I think it opens up with all this singing it's quite interesting it's called Joint Clarity of the Colton I think this is not going to be the song of the night sing it on one of those you don't have to buy that one it's the best we have another one I'll play it right now mission friends come to the table I'll play that one if you like that, that's number 3 and no control over the world the other man has some stuff coming up I believe I could change something so I put out no control over the world to get back to the state of peace and the Serenity Prayer some people have said the Course is so big and thick why is it so big? it's just the Serenity Prayer clarified what they can change and the wisdom they're kind of really simplified and there's lots more DVDs and audio series factors as well which you can pick through different titles and this is a new book it's a book yeah, it's not a string new for me it's very good it's just a collection of writings there it goes and there's these magazines that rather they actually cost $9 just to produce so he's asked for $5 as I suggested for these and you've got articles from David, myself, Kirsten and Kerry were in our based on the Bible problems so learning to live with following the Holy Spirit's guidance and not having to make decisions by yourself and there's tea, coffee and cake and cookies please feel free to walk inside the door and get whatever you want thank you my understanding from your sharing is that the new voice of Holy Spirit is the same as the voice of Jesus and I wanted to clarify that because I know some people who talk to Holy Spirit over here and they talk to Jesus over here so I wanted to clarify on that and then I'd also like to clarify on angels where they fit in and Christ council and ascended masters yeah yeah you might say that that when the separation seemed to occur that the answer was given simultaneously so it's like time lasted but in this that's how long it took the Holy Spirit to heal the dream of separation is one is and it was simultaneous so that's why you could say the Atonement principle Atonement is correction and in heaven there's no need for correction that's no problem but with the belief in separation Atonement was given as the answer so the principle was given almost like how would you give an answer for a belief a belief in craziness and nothing that's a tiny mad idea but Atonement is like a concept that was given to cancel out the error and so the Atonement principle is where the Holy Spirit seems to begin in the sense that before there was a separation or a seeming separation there was no need for a Holy Spirit there's no need to a bridge to get back to heaven because there was no sense of separation so if this continued on time and space continued on in many different seeming realms Earth just being one little aspect of the cosmos which is enormous vast cosmos and then on this planet we seem to have an extraordinary occurrence 2000 years ago which would be you could call it the manifestation of the Holy Spirit in the sense that that voice, that principle was there all along throughout time and space in the days of the prophets long before Jesus calling out in the wilderness, Isaiah and going back to the prophets of old that Spirit was still there or John the Baptist seemingly becoming even before Jesus the Spirit was there but the full manifestation of the Holy Spirit would be a channel or a vehicle in which there was no tint of ego just a pure expression of the Holy Spirit in form and that's what Jeshua was so that's why when we read things in the Bible I am the way, the truth and the life, no one comes to the Father but through me, that was the universal Spirit speaking it really was speaking through a man but the universal Spirit is neither male or female, it's just it's the call to return to a state of absolute oneness and perfection so in that sense you could say that the Holy Spirit and Jesus are synonyms because it's like the Holy Spirit is like the voice for God, a voice that speaks for God God just being abstract love doesn't really have a voice so instead of calling it the voice of God it's the voice for God just representing if God could talk and would guide you when you were lost then that's the way to play out and then Jesus was was a man he seemed to enter earth like everyone does there was lots of stories about the virgin birth and so on and so forth very much like in Buddhism and a lot of traditions there's a lot of things that get added on to make the the prophet or the teacher more deified and the virgin birth certainly would be like wow, you came from a different way than the rest of us it really wouldn't make him a very good teaching model though I mean it's like oh yeah, okay you're a perfect scribe but you had a virgin birth, that's not a bad start so it would be a little bit harder to relate to the model but no Jesus seemed to come just the same as everyone he grew up like children do he had to go through the same temptations and adolescence and all the same struggles that all of us had to go through but just felt there was a sense of destiny in there which was to demonstrate the will of God the divine will and actually opening up step by step and then actually reaching a state of transcendence where where he could say the Holy Spirit could say through the body of Jesus I and the Father are one it was a state of perfect unification with no ego so he said things like be a good cheer Satan is underfoot it's like having a snake that's under your foot so it can't do any damage so in that sense you might say that even nowadays when people talk to Jesus with the Holy Spirit it's the same presence some might say well Jesus is more of a personification of the Holy Spirit but Jesus doesn't have a body and the Holy Spirit doesn't have a body so it's hard to say personification anymore and even says in the Course Jesus says the man was an illusion or it says in there the man was an illusion because he seemed to have a separate self that was walking apart from other selves and that is an illusion because the Spirit is completely unified so that's the first part of your question in the sense that I would say you're most comfortable some people have told me that they really like to talk to and listen to and pray to the Holy Spirit because they have these associations in their mind around Jesus and that's just forgiveness opportunities because all those associations really don't have any merit or any kind of reality or value and having been raised Christian myself that was very much about letting go and releasing all my ideas about Jeshua and just saying ok, thank you for speaking to me, I hear your voice thank you for guiding me, for leading me for showing me the way step by step and then the more you get into that presence you know you start to feel like wow that's what the whole second coming of Christ is me recognizing that I am the Christ I'm not talking for a man to come walking on the clouds or you know come down and power and glory but just starting to experience yourself as the living Christ that's the whole point of the teachings you know I am still this God created me you know I am the Holy Son God Himself or however whatever words come now in terms of angels that came up recently where somebody was asking me about the angels somebody once said you were created above the angels which sounds quite high but who we are the Christ you might say above the angels in the sense that Christ is the creation of God and Christ and God are one and share the same divine mind and it's totally unified whereas angels are like helpers angels just like Jesus was the manifestation of the Holy Spirit angels are like symbols that the Holy Spirit uses while the mind still believes in symbols so that's why they appear in many different forms sometimes in different colors sizes shapes they've been painted for many centuries with big beautiful wings they've been depicted in many different movies including John Travolta and Michael a bit of a weird reference dirty angel but with great love and humor and my friend Rasta who started to come and meet with me for these kitchen table talks she just started to receive all these songs from the angels which I think we have some of them there but she received 240 some songs and one time through this process of receiving all these songs she did ask the angels who are you she asked them the question directly and they said well we're very much like you might call vibrations we're like notes in a song we seem to have different aspects but they're all for teaching and learning purposes and basically they can take form and basically any form that is helpful for the mind so we have a popular television show touched by an angel over the United States and then there's been many different predictions of them and talk about guardian angels and having angels with you and so on and so forth many stories of children seeing angels Jenny who's been doing the filming she had some doubts about coming over she had two angels appear it was like her parents appeared in their realized state of how they really were that appeared to her to comfort her and let her know that what she was doing was wonderful and was blessed to keep going and so forth so I would say the best thing while you still believe in form it's really the Holy Spirit behind all of them and even in your life I mean people in your life can seem like angels sometimes they just appear at the time when you meet them most and they seem to be just so helpful and sometimes they will disappear but I kind of like that kind of broader definition because if angels are just symbols of help we all know that the Holy Spirit can use people in our lives as symbols of help too lots of them and we're all angels in fact I think that could be a song we have a song by Karen Drucker we are all angels who only have one ring and we need each other to fly so you can imagine all of us as one winged angels getting into a big circle and then having our wings flap together and who cannot reach the sky because we need each other to fly so that's Jason's going to maybe have a look for that one that's a beautiful song and then the other song was about the other questions about ascended masters and price council and so forth yeah over the years we've been like the side of brotherhood, price council different ascended masters there's really only one mind and so you might say that for those that seem to transcend this world we could say that they could be called an ascended master and basically these are still symbols that the Holy Spirit can use so for particular people in certain cultures or that come into contact with these ascended masters these are symbols that can appear in consciousness or awareness often times when they're called or when they're needed and so many people throughout the centuries have witnessed ascended masters coming to them either appearing to them once a number of times very much the sense of being guided so it's like working with ascended masters doing healing work with ascended masters channeling ascended masters and so forth it's still all symbolic so that in the end the whole point of all is to reach a state of mind where perception becomes completely whole or unified and so where all the symbols like merge together in a state of perfect non-judgment and at this point that would be when the use of symbols is over that's when we might say for a moment or for what seems to be some time that unified perception will seem to include lots and lots of those kind of symbols and then the need for symbols and words is over so it can seem as if they are separate entities and separate beings but again that's still part of distorted perception as if there are levels and degrees of angels and archangels of Christ Council of those kind of things and yet those are all very very helpful symbols and it's very much the spirit can use those symbols because it's very inspiring and very encouraging and of course there's a huge variation in different cultures there are different symbols that are used for obvious reasons you know like Jeshua if you go into Islamic cultures or Judaism and so forth Jeshua can be seen as a very wise teacher highly respected but someone like Allah or Muhammad would be much more of a stronger symbol in Islamic culture and obviously in Hindu culture and Buddhist culture as you go through the other ones there's lots of different symbols and I would say whatever works whatever you feel a closer resonance with a connection I always tell people use that symbol for those symbols because it's all just symbols being used by the Holy Spirit I think initially there's an archangel who's never made it to heaven but walking here well that's all it is isn't it because none of us have ever made it to heaven ministering on that for a human having this meaning it's not like that none of us have ever made it to heaven that's good in the sense that it starts to collapse down to hierarchies as if we have hierarchies even in spirituality there are hierarchies and as soon as you start to get an inkling of okay those are all just symbols being used but the clarity starts to come from the sense of understanding what right-mindedness is and right-mindedness is a state of mind that just simply sees a symbol as a symbol so imagine being in such a happy clear state where symbols are just symbols the most glorious symbols are still just symbols you don't have to even figure out anything about time and space and which one is more important than the other or anything that they all just merge together I've had people that have said if Buddha came before Jesus and the Course says that Jesus was the first one to complete this far perfectly and remember the true divine nation and everything then by reasoning rationality then Buddha wasn't enlightened and Jesus wasn't enlightened and so forth and I said well you know the only problem with all this comparison and assumption is persons are enlightened to say that Jesus was enlightened you know it's just another symbol or metaphor because it's not like human beings become enlightened but there is a state of enlightenment in which you can see the human being has a symbol and therefore Jesus will be a symbol or for Buddhists Buddha and so on and so forth but there's no getting into comparing the best thing or even getting into concepts of personal enlightenment because then you still have disagreements and arguments which one came before is important or this kind of thing it's just like much to do about nothing just into a bunch of distractions and comparisons so I always teach that enlightenment is a state of mind and it's it's not personal in fact people have even tried to pin me down and say you know what were you doing when you were enlightened or were you shaving or were you tripping your toenails or what and it's like there's no kind of sense of action and you don't really have to try to put enlightenment this vast state of awareness onto a timeline and then make it sound like some kind of an event I mean even with the story of Jesus you might say just for instructional purposes that before he began his ministry his three years of public ministry that he had seemed to reach that state so that he was just in the state of oneness with God and that's why during those three years of public ministry we have statements like before Abraham was I am I and the father are one that doesn't sound very much like a person before Abraham was I am they were ready to stone him for the young whippersnapper walking around with your long hair and do you know how long the traditional Abraham goes back before Abraham was I am oh hit the rocks but a lot of Judaism like all religions of the world are based on beliefs and traditions and the I am presence is really not interested in traditions it's just a vibrant presence that literally transcends all the symbols and all the symbols can just point to it and that's like the story of Moses the burning bush and God speaking and saying I am that I am well that's pretty clear so all these spirits are going to speak that's the sound that you get this majestic sound so hope that kind of gives you a little bit of time on linear constructing anyway that doesn't really exist yeah I am just a linear construct so the concept of parallel universes that's on section is quite plausible and quite obviously yeah you can make a parallel universe is kind of an idea of like that everything is really simultaneous and some different channel material like the seventh material was talking about simultaneous so forth so there is a lot of things that are very born before anybody else or anything because I hope I haven't said that that kind of causes the whole Jesus thing the love form of physics it's like to be born again of course is to be born again of the spirit what Jesus talked about but Nicodemus you know what Nicodemus was asking him must I come again into a woman's womb and everything and Jesus that which is born of the flesh and that which is born of the spirit the spirit again delineating between the temporary and the eternal so so as you advance in your mind training you start to realize that he's flowing along there's still time ideas in there and Jesus even uses one in the course he calls it charity where he defines charity as a way of seeing someone as if they are much farther along in their advancement than they appear to be informed and he says actually that's still a time idea seeing them as much further along in advancement but it's actually very helpful to see them this way because it's a benefit to your own mind because it's a way of seeing them as closer to who they really are which is really beyond time and space entirely so that's something to be aware of as you go more and more into meditation as you feel more and more your consciousness expanding you'll still notice some time concepts that are in there and then the whole point of meditation is just freeing your mind of those time concepts so there's a section in the Course of Miracles called I Need to Do Nothing that's kind of like really going for you know where you're just emptying your mind of everything how do you correlate that with I mean I'm a nurse so I'm working on times where you think like medication times strips have to run over certain times we work in the cancer unit so every time is very very specific and everything is measured in minutes and hours and whether somebody is overdosed or whatever to correlate that with personal growth and spiritual development when I live and work in that environment just seems to jar completely yeah any time you're freeing your mind and yet not killing anybody so to speak it's just total emphasis yeah it's funny I did a talk back in the 1990s and it turned into this very big pamphlet just a small pamphlet with maybe 20-22 patients that Jason took to the mountains in Switzerland and we'd like read a line and just ponder it for days and read another line and ponder it you know it was very deep but it was with a group of nurses actually I had a talk one time so we got into all kinds of concepts about time and the body and everything and we got into decision and beliefs and took it all away another thing that's interesting is I have a friend of mine who always wanted to be a nurse and she had a very rough life huge extremes prostitution and all kinds of things actually worked her way over got into nursing school worked her way through nursing school and became a nurse and she said she almost sounds identical to what you were just saying she got into it to love to nurture altruism to be helpful to serve all those reasons and she said all these medications and so much time and carrying a clipboard around and she felt like she was managing all these systems that had to do with the body and medicine and time and she said her heart wasn't her heart was just wanting to just reach out and really extend healing and that's why she got into nursing in the first place is a healing profession but when she got into it she found herself wrapped up and almost like being a robot serving the system of the hospital and doctors in the research that I'm doing that's theoretically the source of the most stress in nurses is that lack of congruence where on one side it's the nurturing and the healing and the whole mind-body spiritual side and the other side is this biotechnological world that just completely jars and trying to work that line between the two is a source of massive internal conflict and that's the biggest I've been nursing for 32 years and the biggest source of complete distress and conflict is an internal one and there's nothing to do with whether the Queensland Health is useless or I mean I work down here at the PA and the hospital has no heart quite honestly our unity there's a lot of stress especially in the young staff that haven't yet found a way to try and find a gap but I'm finding it increasingly difficult to manage the physical world that everyone else thinks is real and certainly patients who are nearly diagnosed with terminal disease think it's very real and to them it is and there's no point trying to talk to them saying cancer diagnosis is all an illusion you get shot and it's very heartless to say that trying to walk this line between what is truly helpful and this highly technical world because I'm an advanced practitioner so all that sort of stuff it's just how do you make that work I'll continue on with the story my friend because it turns into the most you'll find this the most glorious parable you've ever heard based on what actually happened you know Jesus would say there was a man who had two sons well to continue my story with my friend she got from waitressing and food stamps and prostitution and all kinds of things she got into nursing she found herself where you're talking about like you've been in for the third few years and then I think a woman going in there too she was suicidal didn't have a strong feel a strong connection with God I felt very very dark and suicidal she had an angelic experience when she was just ready to commit suicide said if you're there you better come in quick kind of put God on the spot because I'm ready to kill myself and had this theme of life just engulfed her and called her name over and over and kept saying to her truly believe truly fly Lisa was her name truly believe and she said that like a tractor beam of light it was just so blazing that she went out and told her her two children there is a God after the experience but then practically speaking she went through the nursing experience she actually was working with her nursing job and she started studying of course miracles so here she was practicing this very metaphysical system at work, at home, everywhere before the big light experience she couldn't even read the book it was like gibberish to her after this big light experience with the angels she said I could suddenly understand the words she read it, she read it, she read it she noticed that the focus of the course was on healing of the mind and it was a huge contrast with her nursing experience and so she had a number of experiences where she told me one of them she'd go around with pills and doing her nursing thing and there was a man there an elderly man a nursing home where she was working who every time she would go by he was always trying to grab her rear end or feel her breast and his name was Lester so she called him Lester the molester because he said you can't walk by without Lester trying to walk by so this went on and she kept doing her job and then Lester seemed to go down and down at some point and he was kind of on his deathbed to the point where he was totally in the best head he couldn't speak, he could hardly move he's laying there in bed and she was doing her rounds with her meds and doing her thing taking her medication in the Lester and one night she's been reading her course doing her lessons just letting your mind open up as much as she can with this nursing profession she walks in there and Lester's dying and she walks over to him to give him his meds and she said with all this strength she saw his hands going like this and she's like oh my god Lester he's in her deathbed and she said and she saw those hands just trembling and suddenly the Holy Spirit just clicked in her mind and she saw him differently and she'd ever seen him before and that one is because she's practicing her course lessons helped you see this differently above all else and she looked at him and she went oh my god Lester you're just calling out for love it was like underneath this behavior she saw the call for love hands you couldn't even speak and so she was like she felt this huge love like an explosion of love inside her and she felt like enraptured and she just was like oh my god this is what the courses is talking about and then she looked around and she thought what are you wanting to do and she got the guys to crawl into bed with Lester and she thought of course there you go flashed a few things and she was like you're a professional if somebody walks in that door but she said she crawled into bed and just held him for hours and it was one of the most powerful experiences in her life so you could see clearly it was a nursing profession she was like carrying it out as far as she could and then these kind of things started happening she had a bunch of love stories well then she hadn't talked to her father for many many years she was going around making arounds and she was supposed to be tired and all these nurses got pulled out of this company I don't know if it was a hospital or some kind of care facility and they were really desperate to have a nurse because they lost they were in a very difficult time and so when the staffing company pulled all the nurses for some reason for another job this company said to her please we need you we don't care who you're working with you can go sign with any staffing company you want we need you you're a joyful, loving spontaneous nurse we can feel your love and everything we need you the care facility and then she thought you would hire me no matter who I was belonging to she thought well maybe I should just start my own nursing staffing company she got in touch with her father called her she hadn't talked to him for many years like 12 or more years and he said I've been trying to find you because I have this inheritance that I want to give you and he was a businessman anyway to make a long story short she started up a nursing staffing company with her as the first nurse going into this one company and she wrote her father told her how to start a business and make plans and business plan she wrote into her bylaws all this stuff about God when she put God and of course the miracles into everything she did that she was so into it and suddenly she had a staffing company it grew rapidly it exploded in terms of being used in this world to the point that she had a girlfriend and she pretended that she had a staffing company and she had plastered those princess play phones she heard a girlfriend would say hello she had an abundant nursing she called it abundant nursing in a year and a half her payroll from start-ups scratched no nursing company at all in a year and a half she had a payroll of 1.6 million dollars her accountant said I've never seen anything like it and then after that happened she was showing course of miracles videos when the nurses would have downtime they were watching course of miracles videos when she was having and read the book during downtime it was like she was using her nursing staffing company almost as upfront for this rapid awakening that she was having now she was the CEO of this rapidly opening nurses from many different counties were just hearing word of mouth about this thing and joining her company by the droves and it just grew very very fast then she met me and by that time she became very successful from food stamps and now she was like the CEO and she thought she had all this great power actually she thought she had all this great power it was so great that she was manifesting the secrets so much stuff that she thought it was her special mission to bring the kingdom of heaven to hers personally she was like going gangbusters with it no that's really not the way that it works so the more she worked with me we went through layers and layers of darkness and she would go to psychics and be told your function is to be a healer not like a nurse healer but like a healer like Mary Baker ready to heal the sick and raise the dead to the power of Jesus and then she got more and more into that and she worked with me very closely and eventually I didn't tell her you'll sell your nursing business and she said I can't even imagine that but eventually the prophecy came through and she ended up going thinking deeper and deeper into meditation she's had visions where Jesus and I have shown up in her visions and all kinds of visions and as we sit here now she's back at our peace house I guess in our peace house in Cincinnati in the hot tub medicating it's just I tell you that parable and there's a lot more details to it but she went from the very situation that you're describing just from her willingness into moving I would say closer to what I call mysticism she's going to be called St. Lisa before she leaves and it's a big stretch from a very high pressure stress filled nursing job that she had to St. Lisa but she's doing it in one lifetime so to speak she's going that fast in fact when people ask me about her I say well if you took three personalities from this world and you woven them together that would be her Mary, Mother of Jesus Mary Magdalene that's for the prostitutes and Mae West if you took those three and woven them together because she's so bold and she's got so much joy and she's so much joy that just radiates when she speaks of her life experiences she's captivating actually because it's been such a rapid kind of acceleration so it's a perfect question in the sense that that's a parable that actually played out so to speak right before my eyes and it started right there where you're talking about where she just realized that's why she got into nursing was for healing to extend healing but it was just so body based with all this definitions that she just had to let go of those definitions and one step and it was like she was just lifted up and her story is your story