 We're glad to know you're still there and watching the breakfast on Plus TV Africa. It's time now to go to the press and see what made it to the headlines or to the front pages rather, what headlines made it to the front pages of our newspaper. We're taking just three newspapers today, The Punch, The Guardian, and The Nation newspaper to x-ray some of these headlines. We're being joined by architect Ezekiel Nyaito, public affairs analyst at Kwaibom State. Good morning and welcome to the program, sir. Good morning and thanks for having me, just like today I'm in Abuja. We know that we can notice that. And then we also know that you are in Abuja because of your court case, which unfortunately we hear has been struck out for lack of merit. Tell us a little bit about that before we go to the papers. It might not be on the papers. Okay. I think at the end of this whole process, I owe this nation to write a book because there are very many things that people don't know as they get into politics. We know that at the end of the elections, if you are aggrieved, you can go to the tribunal. You don't know that there are certain cases that the tribunal cannot superintend over. It's only at the appeal court. So certain cases that are thrown away at the tribunal, you think it's over. It's not over. It's just that the matters that you presented, I had a very, very clear direction on what I was talking about. Number one, who is a convict and how liable is the person to contest an election? Number two, exactly what is double nomination? And then of course, number three, I needed my votes. I called them secret votes and I had the reason why I called them secret votes. When you election is a process, but there's a mindset that we have as Nigerians, you bring a party, you want to see how well that party does so that maybe in the next cycle, you gain more people, not necessarily for yourself but for your party because party is not just that instrument you use to get power. It's an ideology that you build and you project with time. So that 10 votes, that 50 votes, that 50,000 votes that you get, it's important that INEC allows you to have them. But we have this mindset that you don't have the big party, small party. If you notice, how will a presidential candidate score 4,000 votes? We know it's not possible. It's just not possible because these are people who pay money, there are things that have happened during that process and Nigerians need to understand and INEC in particular needs to know what it is therefore. It's not there to elect a president, elect a governor, no, it's there to set a system and a structure that has processes that must be followed such that there is a progression in being refined and a progression in participation and a progression in people appreciation. These are the dynamics that we are losing. That is round one. Because of my three counts, out of the three, the tribunal could only take effectively one of them. And even that one of them, they dismissed my case so that I had to go to appeal court where I won and came back to the tribunal. By the time I came back to the tribunal, I was given about five days to do what people use about 30, about two months to do. At the end of the day, obviously, we couldn't do, okay, you want to like go in to check your votes. The way that INEC and I challenge every Nigerian to go and look at it, the way that the ballot boxes are put, it will take you a minimum of two weeks to sort out the ballot boxes according to local governments, according to wards, according to polling units before you can start to look at your votes. And when you have two days to do that, what are you going to do? So at the end of the day, they say, oh, you didn't have witnesses to prove this. How can you have witnesses to prove in five days when you have things that you should have done in two months to be done in that period? Luckily, there is a phase two, which is the appeal. And you find a situation where like in my case, I could say some of these things now because I mean, we're about to start a new process. So right now you can't say it is, you know, you are talking what should be or what should not be talked. You have a process where, for instance, you file a case. The case is supposed to be determined from the day they give the judgment to your case out this means to the day they give the final judgment must be within 60 days. Immediately they do that because we were extremely proactive, extremely, extremely proactive. I had the set of the most brilliant set of lawyers, committed, passionate, you know. So as soon as that was done, within two days, we had filed, you know, an appeal. Brother, that appeal stayed in Calabar for over 40 days without our getting a date. That is why sometimes when people bash the judiciary, I can't have the mouth to open and say certain things about because the judiciary has done to me what Napoleon Bonaparte could not do. Okay. And there are people there that can, I can say are incorruptible. They don't care about money. That's why everybody is so abashed as how did Nyaituk move the case from Calabar to Abuja and within days get a hearing and everything and get a judgment. It was like it's impossible unless you have moved over two, three billion. But I want to say here that the judiciary, while some of them have made us feel very sick and sad, they are still women and men of integrity who believe that the right thing should be done. Okay. So you can see that all these processes and understandings, it means that you are a lawyer and you are representing anybody. Number one, know about the times, the timelines. You must understand that when you file a case, put pressure on them and say time is going. Keep it on record. It's a time is going. It's a time is going to write them over and over and over. When you go on appeal, it will form part of your evidence that the fault was not from you. Then we now go to the next part, which is where the fault is from the institution to what extent is a candidate held liable for what is not his own making when he started to do counting of days. This is called justice and not just judgment. So the process a lot, we'll be able, like I said, when I sit down to document the things, I think it will be good for Nigerians. Now, INEC trying to do the peer review and all those, they shouldn't bother. Let them wait until when the whole processes are through at the Supreme Court. And number three, you know, the difference between INEC and the court is that INEC is mathematical. Two plus two is four. Anywhere you go in the world, 10 times 10 is 100 is just like that. INEC is about figures. It's about exactness. It's like science. And the judiciary is like history, it's like literature, you know, it's subject to interpretations and everything. So INEC should know that they are not there for storytelling. They are there to make sure that vote are counted, vote are published the way they are. And even the BIVAS concept, when I get to tell you about the BIVAS, it's another story altogether. BIVAS is one of the best things that has been introduced to our electoral process. That INEC is deliberately intentionally, you know, let me use the hard word, frustrating the process. And there are certain things I'm going to bring to the nation and I'm going to ask INEC and they must do it that way, because the nation will agree with me that that's the best thing to do. When you finish voting, you sort, you know, according to the different parties and they have voted openly, after sorting, by the time you take the first person AA and you count and they have three, don't record it on a piece of paper, record it there and then in front of everybody, it takes you just 10 seconds, AA, one, two, three. So AA is three, right, right, agents are there, you bring the party, you rate three. ADC, you count, count, count, 85, you record it there and then in front of everybody. You go to PDP, you go to APC, whatever are the votes, you record them as the people have seen you count, record them there and then. That will tally, because as you are counting, you are recording, but you know what they do? You don't do that. They finish counting and write it on a piece of paper. When they go inside, when they go inside, they will say ADC agent, a small guy, say you know what? You know your guy is not going anywhere, so don't waste your time, you know. How many votes do you have, 28? Okay, we give you a thousand per vote, guy will say no, give me two thousand, no, no, they will agree. Do you understand me? Maybe they agree at maybe 35,000. When they give me that. Does that still work that way anyway? Well, that's how it works now. I think we will have to have a program on these and talk about these, maybe plus politics because we have that program. We've taken the time for newspaper review to do this, but we needed to have an insight to what has happened. We wrote our own newspaper today and formed the headline. Okay, but let's go to something else that you are passionate about and that is in every newspaper today, talking about labor. Labor is spoiling for a fight, a very, very serious fight. Like Jonah would say, in five days, in our own case it is, in five days the mother of all strike according to NLC and TUC is going to happen. But federal government is saying there should be a meeting on, there will be a meeting on Tuesday, that same Tuesday that the strike is supposed to happen. So labor falls, federal government's meeting insists on indefinite strike. And the writers are that any fresh meeting won't stop us. That's what labor is saying. It is going to be a mother of all strikes labor union vow. Federal government says new meeting date will be announced. TUC asks government to account for subsidy removal savings. So labor is saying, no matter what the federal government says, there's going to be mother of all strikes. Let's get your comments on that, you're a labor man. I feel very, let me use the right word sad, feel very, very sad that we have government where they don't understand the essence of them being in power in office. We have government where they really don't feel accountable to the people. We have government where rather than being those that work for the people, they believe they have bought the people and as a result, the people should just keep quiet. And when you look at several things, they just don't add up. There's something about this administration that I really am trying hard to understand what is going on, you know, come to the specific issue. You realize that this matter started several months back. It ended in the warning strike by NLC. During this period, our president went to, I think it was India, then he came back. He went to Angar and to the best of my knowledge, I don't know, he's back in the country but I know that the program ended about four or five days ago. So when you go out to who invests, the world has become a global village and these people know that things are not going well at all. I want to ask, except you are a corn man, who is that person that is going to go to invest in a country where all the indices are going south? Look at the Naira, look at labor. Now you want to make labor feel so small that in spite of the meeting that they've had with Mr. President directly, they've had meetings with the minister and the minister of state together, they've had meetings with the senate president, they've had meetings with the house of reps, I believe, I know very well of that of the senate president and each of them says, I'll talk with the boss, you know, the minister says when the boss comes back, we'll talk with him and today, if the boss travels, I think that there's a reason why we have a vice president. The reason of that, technology makes sure is like in my office, in my office, I can fire you for just making one statement, sir, you were not around. I can fire you for making, nobody in my office makes that statement, sir, you were not around. The reason is that I am available 247 for anything that is important in my office via technology. If you can't get me, if you're not good to talk to me on phone, I need to see it, we go on Zoom, we go on several platforms that we've set up so I am constantly available. I can see you, I can see the, I mean to real estate, I can see the foundation, I can see the issues, I can see everything, so I can take a decision on that side while I'm out there in China. So don't tell me sir, I was waiting for you to come back, come back and do what so that you can see my eyes when you, can't you see me on video? Anyway, what am I trying to say, sir, August was not around, it's not tenable, I'll see August this evening and get back to you people, and he just announced, Labour announced two days ago that on the 3rd of October, they'll be going on indefinite strike, and what you tell them, okay, we'll have a meeting on the 3rd of October. I mean that is just, that is just disingenuous. That is just provocative. I mean, I would have expected Labour, I know that this is weekend, but please, let's forget about weekend and trash out these issues, this is an emergency, if we cannot finish on Saturday, let us continue on Sunday, okay? For those of you that are Christians, please go for stress service as you can. Let us meet by 12 noon, as much as you can, beg God to allow you, because before Monday morning, we must resolve this issue, and on the 1st of October, which is the Monday, the President will announce that they have had an understanding and agreement with Labour, and that the nation will not be allowed to grind to a halt, and what are you doing between now and then? The Senate presidents have stopped with Labour, the minister and the minister have said they have stopped with Labour, no, everybody has stopped, so they know the demands of Labour. Is it that you want central bank governor to now take office and now tell you how much money you have? You mean in the absence of central bank governor, the acting person, do you not have access and information? What is he going to have that was not there before now? What is going to that thing that you need for the next 3 days that you don't have today? I think we should make sure that Labour does not go on strike. We should make sure... 1st of October is on Sunday, as I know, but the public holiday is on Monday, so maybe the plan is for the president to just announce all those things, demands of Labour on 1st of October, and the federal government is saying that... The more reason why the meeting should have been yesterday, think about it. The more reason why the meeting should have been yesterday, all through the night till this morning, the more reason why they should have reached out to women and men of integrity, of honour, of character, that can say Labour, let's look at what's your story, this one what's your story, that can mediate between, because there the level of distrust between Labour and government is like, you know, you know, two can play, each person is coming and they are hiding one hand behind them, and they are saying, oh no problem, my two hands are on the table, each person knows that it's just one hand, the other hand is at the back, but they are looking at each other because two can play, you want to play me, I can play you, you understand me? So we need, by today, there would have been a group of eminent Nigerians that could... And we have them, they are making yakuza of this world, even if it needed for us to call Okunjay Wella and say, madam, please come back, Ganeshina, please come back, Madam Amina, please come back, a group of five would come and say, Mr. President, enough is enough, Labour, I beg, there's no money, Okunjay Wella would say, you know how was the CME, I understand the situation, please, I beg you, we beg you, just cool down, government, look, stop that grandstanding, you are going to anger, you are going to this, you are going to that, all those things are not important, they say fire the born house with a poshura for bush, all those things are useless unless your home is stable, so that there will be these people that are appealing to Labour and also talking to, you know, when you caution the hawks, you've got to also caution the chicks, you understand me? Because the chicks are busy parading themselves and making themselves very, very attractive to the hawks, and when the hawks speak they say, ah, why be there, each person needs to know, they need to put this country first, they have to put Nigeria first, so I really pray that something happens, Nigeria is a country that God has a will of intervening at zero hour for us, but if Labour goes on this strike, I know my name is Ezekiel and I hate to be a prophet of doom, he will go on a slide that the president will regret if I'm not taking action before time, I know how things are, yesterday I was, you know, I had this building that I had left for almost 10 years, I was facing others and several families were living in them, several, several families in Jabi, and after election I needed to get, you know, some funds man, so I decided to come for us to finish developing the place so that I can make some money from it, and I cried to get those people out, they were willing to leave, they were, in fact they were leaving already, but the children have lived in that house for over five years, the parents were looking for where to go, there was, there was those, you know, I don't even know how to put it, and I had interactions with them and they were telling me the same thing, because of a cup of gari, one cup of gari, one mudu of rice, and I just asked, so how do you live? And they started crying, women were crying, not because of sending them out, it's like you have no idea what we go through, and then our leaders chose to understand this, our leaders are living in the high house, and they are living on the resources of the people, I can understand the Othedoras, the dangotes, the udodamas, who are professionals who are making their money, but how do I understand that the government, national assembly, they are living large on the resources of the people that they are supposed to serve, there's something fundamentally wrong, I woke up from three o'clock this morning, I couldn't go to, I couldn't sleep again, from three o'clock I've been awake till now, I just couldn't sleep, I started writing and writing and writing, not about the election, not about traveling, no, no, no, it's just about a topic came to my head, the elections, the essence and the office of the citizen, do you understand me? Election in Nigeria, what is the essence of election? What is the essence? You know, it's a discourse I want to bring to national discourse because there's a major disconnect, and when you read that write up, you know why God woke me up by 3 a.m. There's something fundamentally wrong that we must, elections are decided by who? People in the village, who have no understanding, who have been impoverished by people in the village. What sort of governance system should we run? Is democracy really good for us? We need to have a national dialogue on these things because so long as our leadership recruitment criteria is not fundamentally right, we will never get it right. That's why, as blessed as we are, intellectually, natural resource wise, we have become terribly, and shamedly, the poverty capital of the world. And we are now saying we are the sixth, you know, what's the word in terms of, in one of the papers, you know, talking about, you know, these bad boys and all those things that were initially we're top three in terrorized nations, now these small arms and everything, we're just taking the lead in all the bad sides of developmental indices. We can't continue this way. You know, this way, let's go to another headline that we have here, and that headline is from IMF. IMF is still on the punch newspaper. IMF is saying, stop tax waivers. They're telling Nigeria to stop tax waivers. So how do you feel about that? No more tax waivers according to the advice of IMF. You know, if I had my way here, I will shut down and shut out Nigeria effectively for about two, three years. You can't advise me except you know my peculiar circumstance and situation. You can't make such blanket statements. If anything, I expected IMF to say, Nigeria, the MSMEs, micro, small, and medium-scale industries, that's your future. Please go down, not only do you give them tax waivers, you are going to give them tax holidays, you are going to give them everything that you possibly can to incubate them to stimulate that local economy for you to help them to be able to grow that that is your future. They can now sell them behind and say all these other big countries, the companies that are just you know not not really contributing much even if anything they are they are I hope you're hearing me can you hear me oh god hello yeah I can hear you go ahead okay okay so they should say draw two lines the big companies the small companies concentrate in the next two years on the small companies I went to register a company you know in in Rwanda an African you know version of what we're doing here in Nigeria take and everything and when we went they gave us a console and within 30 minutes we had done the registration and we asked them how much and they sound you know the man looked at me and said you know if you have a cow and you keep taking the milk from this cow a time comes when you can hardly have any milk to take from the cow but if you now go ahead and feed this cow and get it fatted when you start to take the milk the quality and quantity of milk that you get will be something else and to be for a long time as you're coming to register a company it is for us to know see how we can help you to make sure that you come if you register that company we give you all that the backing that we need for it to be you know successful especially when it has to do with tech and then based on the support system we have given you by the time that you start to make profit you we won't even be the ones to tell you to pay taxes and this because you have a sense a heart of gratitude and then you also be making a lot so that's a wiser thinking and approach and I said God have mercy in Nigeria for you to register a company you got to pay and pay and pay then next thing is tax tax tax tax next thing they don't even know what incentive do they give you for you to become you know to know Nigeria helped me to get to where I am today and then IMF is saying maybe they're talking about the big companies but that's not a problem IMF should say how can I come to you know kind of you know instigate inspire activate your local economy on account of the MSM is what can we do now this IMF we need to be very careful with them we need to be they don't love you more than we love ourselves they don't love you more than we love ourselves we must show that we are we are not we are not children this beggarly attitude that we have towards these developed nations it is wrong they shouldn't come towards with this this this this tokenism it it we need a leader that is going to be very audacious and going to be very bold and he's going very honest and he's going to like take hard decisions and listen to interview by Lee Kuan Yew and and I think every Nigerian should go and listen to that guy you know because a time came when he said leave those guys alone shut down and shut out and then come inside introspect harness your resources inside only your people can help you outsiders will only exploit you and pretend to be helping you so I am not the fan of IMF I'm sorry to say I'm not also go to the Guardian newspaper now there are some headlines there but I'd like to first begin with on-do state what is happening on the lawmakers Sean court order moved to impeach deputy governor these things are happening you go to a do state is happening in the Guardian newspaper now you go to a do state it's happening you go to on-do state it's happening and I just wonder now the deputy is about to be impeached by on-do lawmakers in fact yesterday we saw a story where a group was protesting and saying that the national or the state assembly must do their work and if they find this person guilty they should remove the person it looks like it's it looks like it was sponsored and all that and I don't know what is really happening here deputy governors are just weeping sticks or something comment on what is happening you know I'll tell you what it is somebody anyway let me not go to the background let's just face the on-do you know our our president when he was um when he was the governor of Lagos that we forget a little too soon that he had about three deputy governors you know and the relationship was not good at all but I am happy to say that they are still well it's too early in the day yet you know because like in in our state there's a very good and cordial relationship between the governor and the deputy governor but you see it's still um in fact they never even start yet you know and besides who knows how it will be tomorrow you know the governor and I were very good friends buddies and we just keep saying one thing let the will of god be done whatever is the will of god that's all we prefer we're coming back to the issues the state the house of assembly needs to know that there is three arms of government and there's a reason for that there is the executive where the governor is and the deputy governor there is the legislature which is the house of assembly and there's the judiciary if the judiciary makes any pronouncements you don't have any option but to obey you can appeal luckily the state governments have learned how to you know have a good relationship with their judge chief judge and everything you see so the the judiciary also have to understand that they don't they need to be careful not to embarrass themselves the way they do sometimes do you know you cannot have a successful impeachment without the chief judge setting up a panel to investigate now chief judge assuming that your judge your judiciary has made a pronouncement to the eighth end that is which you continue to not continue and then they flout that and continue and then bring them to you will you what will you tell them will you tell them to go back and obey the court quickly bring an appeal to me I can help you guys so that you vacate that and then continue the process or will you in spite of what your people have said now quote all to the governor's whims and caprices depending on who and where or will you do the right thing if the legislature know that the executive will stick to their own and will not constitute the panel that will look into the petition then they won't even bother but when within the judiciary there's discordant tunes this one is going this way this one going as it is in the tribunal I mean the judiciary need to wake up as much as I was praising them at the beginning which is a fact anyway they also need to put their house in order put your acts together and make sure that they are careful to do to follow their own you know the terms of reference and codes of practice when that is done then you don't need to talk to nationally the house of asem they cannot impeach impregnance is a process which means number one you are going to compile the cases against this man number two you are going to call him and make him to account for all those things number three you are going to like take it up to a panel that is set it is that panel only a judicial a properly constituted judicial panel can pronounce somebody guilty and then pass the judgment it's in the hands of the judiciary so judiciary if you want to be divided against yourself you know those things it's up to you and I don't think that anybody is interfering in others judiciary says this man has come to me to give a reason why you should stay execution so he should stay so you should go ahead and you know appeal and then vacate that stay and then continue your process and then all will be well so all this matter of placard and this and that is because there's a shortage of understanding of processes and procedures and there is this flouting of even the processes and then there's this impunity particularly by the executive so everybody is turning the whole situation into either a circus or a jungle and that it shouldn't be so headline here yesterday we were talking about the fact that more companies may fold up even when the president and the vice president are globetrotting trying to who investors into the country but more companies might fold up because of diesel price which is now at about 1100 Naira but the headline here on on the Guardian is saying diesel may treat near 1500 Naira as oil prices spike which means this day of doom of companies folding up might even come earlier than expected I'd like to have your comments 1500 Naira is quite much you see there's a there's a certain contradiction that I can't seem to align when the oil prices go up we should be celebrating as a nation that more resources are going to come to us at the same time we do not refine our crude as a result we are on the other hand having palpitations that we are going to be like importing this refined product at a very very high rate you know the exchange rates and things like that and then the price on in fact there's a contradiction somewhere this is a lack of clarity because if if how are we are we selling our oil or are we trading a better system exactly what are we doing so that we will get to understand that if the if the oil price in the oil market goes up then we now say okay we are going to have a better system so whether the price goes up or goes down is irrelevant is inconsequential because I've given you 20 barrels to give me 1000 liters you know I'm just using words because I really don't know what the exact you know exchanges are for a barrel and then the quantity over the liters so I'm just using a hypothetical barrels of oil to give me oil the price of the barrel of oil becomes insignificant so whether it is going up to 20 to 50 to 100 it doesn't matter it's a direct a better system if on the other hand I'm selling to you it means that the refined products are going to come up more expensive and because I am selling at a higher price and making more money on account of my making more money I'll now be able to give a lot more internal support because I will tell the people when you are buying the petrol or the diesel as a thousand five companies I have made a lot more money so I'm going to give you this sweetness I'm going to give you this tax holiday I'm going to for the number of people that you employ which are put on our board and we know that this is it I will be able to give you a support system if what I'm effectively saying is that I'm going to do an indirect subsidy or generality of Nigerians now we can do add another rail link from from this place to the other place as opposed to the you know the first two that we're going to have we have more money we're gonna that transparency and accountability is like Winston Churchill said hope is the anchor that stabilizes the soul we'll know that as much as we are paying more we are also going to get a lot more sweetness that at the end of the day is going to be a balanced out effect and we now ask ourselves you see there's an area that has been very opaque and I've said this and I'm starting to sound like a broken record how do we show up the naira the concept of supply and demand is so basic that me as an architect I know it why is the value of the naira going down on a daily basis because of the pressure on the dollar how can we get more dollars in number one all the cities that are abroad why are they not giving us the dollar because central bank tells you that we will collect it from you at 700 and then I know that I can sell it at the parallel market at 1000 it doesn't make sense for me to bring it to you at spiral market it doesn't make sense but if it is much enough I would rather deal with central bank than with the parallel market so why don't we create that window that says look you know what the parallel market is they know they say send it to us all we are doing is taking 5% commission and that's it and we'll give you at the going rate do you understand me so you bring in a lot people that little commission helps you you know on one hand number two when they started saying that oh they've opened up our link with Dubai and everyone was um uh celebrating I was sweating why Dubai is one of the places that put so much pressure on our foreign exchange to go and buy and buy and buy to go for holiday to send children everything like mopping up dollars buying buying buying dollars do you understand me so when when that when that route was closed temporarily I mean I was happy because I said we go cool down small so this is that we're buying from Dubai can we not produce them here it might not be the best but we time will improve number three apart from those two governors are stealing money in dollars we need to know this politicians the tribunals they are paying in dollars nobody's carrying naira again nobody's doing transfers again you know I don't want to come and call me to come and because if they will do it if they ever try such a thing they go off justice with this is there because I'm not saying something that they don't know you understand me so the pressure on the dollars is so much how can we listen and above all if we stop it from going how can we get more one of the ways that you get more is very simple can we not I've said this and I'm getting I wouldn't get tired of saying it why can't mr president ensure that there is a what's what's the word on the top ahead of every oil that is drilled there's a metering system that's it so that you know you sit in your office and you know the quantity of oil that is pumped on a daily basis and if you have pumped this I put the responsibility on you even if it means you taking a percentage of this to secure you know the transit between the oil head and the tank where you deposit for me I don't mind giving I put you under that responsibility you know there's a company called tan theta that is doing a lot of work today how do we kind of empower such companies to make sure that the safety when that is done then we will have more food to sell and when we have more food to sell we'll make a lot more money coming to tell me that we lose about 400,000 barrels per day to oil theft it's unacceptable that I sit here I know what to do I've said this before let the president call me I will tell him what to do if he has the political will one of the sweetest things that I heard was when I had a meeting with the current minister for housing and he made one statement that statement just blew me well he said our president has the political will for housing development in Nigeria to take its rightful place as soon as he said that he didn't know that he had won me completely I've detached myself from all these housing things blah blah I'm getting old November 1 out of the 60 I've carried it for over 30 years let the younger ones also because he said that I was inspired again I moved on so let the president have the political will in this oil sector I'm told through great violence that a man like El Rufi the reason he was left out was because people were afraid of him coming to power or energy look at what Wike is doing I like the guy I may not like his method but man I like the guy and Nigeria sleep you like like Wike like El Rufi I have some issues with El Rufi myself but guy put that guy in power result will come out put that guy in power result will come out so if mr president you're being blackmailed you're being people are saying is this and that and that you know try him out because you want to succeed so the issue of companies I can tell you that I know the weights that we are under being an employer of labor myself and running systems you know I'm not even into production that needs a lot of diesel so some of us have moved into solar and we have learned to use this generator that takes you know this small well big petrol generator that takes uses petrol but carries up to three aces if you come to my place you see several of them so I've had to rewire my lines such that a gas office go get aco and then maybe one or two other places do you get the point the other ones we have no energy serving bomb and you know as hunters have learned to shoot without missing with the energy of us we have learned to fly without preaching so that's free for big companies yeah whatever use a lot and small generators and combine okay well we'll take a final question from the final headline from the nation newspaper we'll just be as brief as possible INEC insecurity threatens november 11 governorship polls and I was particularly interested in the rider there it says youths unwilling to work in ad hoc capacity says resident commissioner so right now youths are not happy or they're not willing to work as ad hoc staff so insecurity they were complaining a few days ago that the insecurity in imo and kogi the states that are going to have this off-season election in november is worrisome for them and now they have come with another one that youths are not ready to take up ad hoc capacity let me hear your thoughts as we wrap up the issues are very very different the issues of insecurity is one very very clearly so now there is the other issue of them having this ad hoc staff and there being complaints that they are not paid either they are not paid on time or they are not paid what is commensurate what is agreed you know these youths they've learned to get to the bottom line and know the exact figures but for you to tell me you see youths are willing to even do work for half a day and get some money I can tell you that because if INEC explains the volume of people that are needed for election those people cannot be retained as full time staff they can't they can't it's not possible so it's not something that INEC needs to to make a case out of all that INEC needs to do is to explain that you see I want to move these books into the house you know and my staff are not enough so I need more hands to help me move the books into the house so it's like a little job you know and once they finish moving that book those books into the house there is no other job for them to do for the next four years before the books come again so there's no way I can retain you as full-time staff you know so guys those of you that want to help me move this book into the house and be paid this over this period of three months please come but after that please know that it is I engage staff on project basis there are some qualities of staff that I need I cannot maintain them as full-time staff so when I have certain types of jobs I I I open it up the industry practitioners they know about it they say okay and we say it is project specific this renovation I'm going to do it in six months after that we will disengage for this period now you pay them more than you pay the regular staff because you know that some of them are going to leave what they were doing to come and do this and then may not be able to go back so they get a little sweet and things like that so it's not something that you come into national discourse it's something that I need to give you an explanation and not to say you are not willing to that that's that they're not totally true you are not willing to because number one you got to pay them and you don't pay them well look at that history you'd also want to be safe and that is not within your own purview I understand that that's not INX you know business to create a safe environment that's for the police and then sometimes that's primarily for the police because in turn now but these days we've learned to bring every other person well civil defense then the vigilante they can be part of it by bringing the army is a different kettle of fish altogether I look forward to that time during election we are election seekers people who are seeking public office they see service as the motivation for seeking public office and not power and as a result there will be people that will need to be the ones to beg them to come and you know be there because they know that it's going to be sacrificed I will end on what my brother distinguished Senator Uda Udama said he blew my mind and I continue to respect him no end he said Ezekiel I've come out poorer than I was because that man has a policy you know they take bribe you know they do all the strictly professional 100% professional so what you get as a minister cannot take care of what you at the end of one year what you get as a minister is less than what you get for one month it's like me now he said come and be minister live on your wages my one year salary probably is just the one month of travels you know expenses that I make as are today you know so because it's a sacrifice we'll now be looking for people that we are begging them to come and then those people will now no longer need to kill to get into office so we start to have elections where people just know that I mean there's no fight no quarrel and even on election days there will be work days we introduce technology and then people get in get elected when they think they failed they will even bow out honorably or like me my brother distinguished Senator Uda Udama he says one session was good enough for me I've given that let me go back and mind my business so that I will not go bankrupt and if in the future he can afford to give time full time to do another thing within what is possible for him he will do that service I'll end on this note service must become the essence for our seeking public office when that is done we'll start to have a election where it is no longer a do or die and then we don't have police and soldiers coming in to beat we go to line and then Nigeria will start to have the right people in the offices to manage our common patrimony okay who would like to thank you coming on the show it's always fun to have you on set with us thank you so much for your time this morning that's because you get me talking thank you I appreciate it all right we've been talking with architect Ezekiel Nyaito a public affairs analyst in a quai bomb state who also contested as a governorship candidate in a quai bomb state his case is still in court even though he's been stuck out from the tribunal or at the tribunal from what he has said he's going to appeal it is going to the supreme court or wherever it takes him we'll see how that unfolds but we'll also be bringing you details of that happening whatever the process is going to be like well as we're up on this segment of the show we're going to take a break and when we return we'll go into other matters stay with us