 Hello everybody if it's Saturday and we're here doing this then there must be some kind of Warhammer preview show You know that means it's basically Warhammer. What's up Tom? How you doing? Welcome back? Oh, I'm doing well. I'm doing well. I'm here. I'm I'm stateside. That's that's that's I'm on a normal time zone I appreciate all of those things to all of the people who live in the areas you were visiting That is a normal time zone Tom. No, no, it's not. Sorry. No, the world revolves around Eastern time. I agree All right, so we're gonna talk about the reveal today. No other Stuff going on. Where is Jimmy is the question Tom your sound issues continue to be complete nonsense as always I Just I try try that. It's all I'm saying. Uh-huh. I need to deliver. Yeah, it's it's we missed you Tom Okay. Yeah, so let's uh, let's talk about into this I'm gonna start with the horse heresy thing this this particular horse heresy thing this one's just for me Because this is the Sarastus Knights are Acheron and castigators come to plastic. I don't care about any like anything You look really, but I like big robits and these are super cool big robits and Did you like these like the like the the actual like pose of super static? Yeah, I mean you can always move these nights around. They're very like now that they're in plastic I they build them in a very static way But now that they're actually in plastic where you can you can mess with the joints a lot And they'll have the movable joints because if you look at them They have the standard assemble assembly line on the joints that all of the nights have and those are all assembled They're made to be built so you don't have to glue them Okay, and so you can like like many of mine. I never glue them at all So they can still like I can reposition the arms like an action figure And so they'll they'll be more more dramatic, but I like I like these guys designs I think nights are super cool And I like this this design, but I was never gonna ever ever ever ever ever Get a resin Forge World Knight like there's no way that was ever going to happen I just they're very well, you we'll help paint it one one time right like one of the big yeah Titan yeah world or Titan. Yeah, and I learned my lesson on that These guys aren't that much bigger than the normal nights like they're bigger, but it's not crazy and So like I'm just happy to see more plastic nights Because I like painting nights and nights are fun So I'll pick one of these guys up for something and do it as a project I think the guy with the sword and the gun is my my favorite one. So I mean, that's pretty sweet looking Yeah, like I'm just happy to see these dudes come into plastic I don't like particularly care whether they're in Horace heresy or 40k or anything like that I just want to paint one of them, but I wanted them to be plastic. So yay Because it turns out GW plastic is really really high quality and a good miniature and for drill reason is um Whatever not that is okay, so yeah There you go fun stuff That's all fun night. I was excited about it. I like yeah, I like them both So cool cool dudes cool dudes. All right now. Let's talk about the real stuff Yep, but exciting make more nights in plastic you cowards Stop making resin period All right Let's start Tom. Let us travel back in time and we begin in the old world Yes, which look so bad on nights, I just can't handle it All right, so We get our new Bretonian standard bearer. There he is We know for the actual nights a bunch of them are just gonna be the existing Bretonian kits Are they really did they confirm that yeah cuz they said the Knights of the realm are gonna be back Yeah, but It's they're gonna be the same kids. Yeah, it's same kid I don't think you are what yeah really that Tom the old world line will consist of Some plastic resin and metal It's it's gonna be a hodgepodge Well, there might actually be a market for all my old Warhammer fantasy models. Oh, I'm sure I'm sure So what do you think about this homie here? This is our obviously the Bretonian standard bear the BSB Classic element of your warhammer armies, especially classic in Bretonia, you know, your BSB was often very important in your Lance So, you know, and they kept the same design same design of the the flag all that kind of thing Where are you feeling on this guy? I'm so glad that we have a BSB that's not gonna fall over just for anybody that played Bretonian nights with the BSB they knew that this was a big metal flag and man And so I'm excited for that I mean in all seriousness, I really like the sculpts They have the standard like busy clutter that we have with With the modern sculpts And so I'm concerned a little bit that if we are using a bunch of old sculpts that that these new sculpts are gonna Look way too cluttered and way too busy and all that compared to the old stuff especially because like for painting it's gonna be difficult like because of all the like Even this the heraldry along like the edges and all that of like the horses Tabards and stuff you're literally going to have to like freehand all of that in order to even make it look like a semblance of appropriate With the old Schultz. Sure So those are my only concerns because I get it feels Unnecessarily complex, but you know, this is the world we've been living in an AOS And so it looks like the old world is being brought in that's it Like it's a very classic night, it's exactly what I want to say Yeah, he's fine. I mean my answer is just that like I am I am confronted with an overwhelming he's fine Like it's it's it. This is the most five out of ten. I've ever seen I think There's nothing about him that like shocks me or gets me excited He's pretty much just a Bretonian night the re-sculpt on the horse is appreciated Like it's a much better sculpted horse than that than the old kids like that is Very evidence Let me just say that like the the old Bretonian nights look like toys when put against modern figures by that I don't mean like I mean, obviously we're all painting plastic toys, but I mean like a child's toy right They just are comically Proportioned and and sculpted whereas this doesn't have that this is you know looks much more much more modern and professional He is hunkered down. Yes a lot of people have like talked about like the that he's very like Short like his torso is very short. Well, the arm the armor's heavy. Sure. Yeah, it's forced him down. Yeah He's just he's like it's like it's it's realistic. He's low in the saddle, right? Yeah, I mean, he's fine like I like the I like the horse. He leaves a little bit to be desired I do agree on the abdomen shortness, but it's not like a huge deal breaker for me All in all, he's like He's fine like his helmet helmet's really cool. That's a great to helmet design. I'll give him that I've I've Bretonian night Helms Where I'd love to see a lot of those, you know sort of brought up and resculpted into the world because a lot of them were very Characterful they weren't just like flat night Helms And so I was glad to see this one with like the big Phoenix on top and stuff like that I think that looks pretty cool. So all in all. Yeah, he's great. He's good There's no way that sword stays in place I don't know if you notice that like the way that sword and shield are wrapped up against that haunch or the The guy like if that thing goes at a full gallop if that horse go gets at a full gallop that sword is swinging free That thing's going to go and loose But hey, that's all right, whatever All in all cool. I mean I will the question still remains in my mind Okay, which is what does the Old World launch app actually look like like obviously we're gonna have a Bretonians versus Tomb Kings. I assume this guy is gonna be in the box. I assume the other Hero we saw is gonna be in the box. Do we know what the Kings is getting re-sculpted? the new Tomb King guy at least like I assume they'll both have new leader heroes because they both have foot heroes that the dude That we saw and then this guy That is right the tomb king and then this guy. Yeah, you know No is the short answer. I mean like they've said they're gonna use a lot of the sculpts So I like are we keeping the old skeleton archers and and and you know chariots and stuff I My guess is yeah a lot of that's gonna stay even in the the launch box But but I don't know who knows like, you know, they could include some of the stuff that was actually pretty good like the snake riders Like like everything in the later generation release. So like snake riders Phoenix Or not Phoenix the Sphinx The Sphinx is like I love the Sphinx, but he's very static and simple compared to modern school. Yes He is certainly, but he's not like Skeletons sure who like with their giant heroic scale fists. Yeah, just like Gloves, yeah, exactly. Yes, like that seems problematic So like if they were to redo any sculpts It would be like a dual kit if they were me it would be a dual kit skeleton archer Sure, right for that would be both of those units And then the we shopped it. Yeah, I mean you shopped here in desperate need of a redo. Yes, that is for sure But like I said, what what does the launch actually look like like what kits are gonna be available? What's in plastic? What's in resin? What's in metal? You know is is like so It's gonna be really interesting to me as we as we come to whenever this actually launches Which knows could be could be the end of this year could be next year could be 2025. I guess so who knows I suppose Yeah, Keith Rogers said good old sausage fingers fantasy models. You're not wrong Boy, is that true for those skeleton archers and they're giant giant giant sausage fingers. All right Well, let us leave this wreck of an old world behind I got just more pictures of him. I really do love his helm. I really do think that's a great design Just as an aside But let us leave the wreck of the old world behind and travel to to a very dark forest Where we where we're gonna see some war cry Okay, so we'll start here with our war cry boys with the new cruel boys war cry war band Tom I have a philosophical question for you before we get into the war cry war band, okay So we now have two different methods of bringing in small Supplemental band like supplemental troops into armies, right at minimum. Yep. Yep through war cry in Underworlds Yep, does all of this become too much to like keep in your brain for you because like is this like man What are these little war bands which one like trying to remember the few good ones out of all the ones that are worth it No, I mean the reality is is that most of the Underworlds stuff are trash You can generally write those off as just alternate sculpts Yeah, like four out of five of them are like that. Yes. Yes, at least maybe more and then the other one would be In general the underworlds you're at about a 50-50 shot of you unusable Oh, I was thinking you were saying underworlds Sorry war cry war cry is a 50-50 shot. Yeah, that I agree with now. All right. Yeah. Yeah, I'm with you there Yeah, that sounds right. Okay. Cool. Just an interesting thing to think about I was like I was trying to picture the world like two years from now as these have just continued to proliferate on and on And I'm like man reprinting army books is gonna be really weird because you're gonna get to the section of all these unique units I'm actually most concerned about those unique units Because underworlds have demonstrated that like they are not ever green those shirts sure they disappear And if there are things that you want down the road You simply are not going to be able to get them. Yeah, or without paying a premium, which is like that seems problematic for me. Sure sure All right Okay, let's Let's take a look at these actual boys here. I Don't need to see the preview video. This one's not one worth watching the preview video for but here we go Here's our guys. We have our cool boy sort of leader guy, right? Who is festooned? I can only use the word festooned with nonsense Holy Moses like when I see him. I'm like, I don't know where you stabbed this guy Uh Well, I mean, this is like, you know how any hero if at some point in time in an action movie They're given like a small Bible or a flask or anything you would keep in an inside jacket pocket, right? Yeah, that's inevitably gonna catch a bullet later in the movie, right? Yeah This guy's all flasks and Bibles like he gets stabbed He only gets hit in those in those other in all this nonsense. He's wearing Yes, indeed indeed dude is Like he must be ripped under there. I suppose yeah or just the amount of weight that he's willing to carry around So are you excited? We've gotten our first war baboons into the into the world of a OS I mean, I'm always I'm always down for a pet to be honest That said What why baboons, I guess that's just a friendly I mean they eat people's faces and they live in trees and so Seems cruel boy. I don't know these are swamp dwellers, right? Yeah, sure like jungle swamps. Yeah Jungle swamps. Okay. Okay. I mean those two biomes bleed into each other quite readily So like let me ask this question. Yeah, what's teams to fit with these guys more? Baboons or like poison dart frogs I mean probably the poison dart frogs like giant poison dart frogs. Yeah, sure sure wouldn't like wouldn't that be appropriate because they do like the point they poison their weapons, right and They're in swampy areas and I don't know that's all I'm saying. It's fine baboons are fine I'm okay if people like baboons I just I think they could have they could have won a different direction. That's almost oh That's right. Yes battle bar and a couple of people mentioned that let yes fec also had war baboons. Yeah a fair point. That's true I mean, it's an all wood. It's a jungle. I'm fine with it. The little guy with the egg is funny He's making off with you know the egg Like Yeah, they're Again, I hate to say this, but like I don't honestly like these guys very much I'm not a fan of the cruel boy aesthetic in general if it lands for you You'll have to tell me in the audience if this if this like people in the audience if this works for you Please tell me like I want to know give give a let's do a little audience survey here in the middle Hey people in the comments who are watching give me a one to ten rating on these guys If you're like what where where you landed on these? I really don't know what to think about these guys Like because cruel boys in general are just mystifying to me is my honest answer with with like that. They're aesthetic. It like the swampy Ram Shackle aesthetic is so strange to me in general. So I want to know what people think of these things and I want to know where the where the audience is coming down All right, let's see we got some sevens fives eights. That's a twos. It looks like it's drifting a little higher there Okay Lot of middle ground Lot of middle ground Lot of twos couple ice sleeps. Okay Ten if they're all egg guys five in reality Eight to nine based on egg guy alone. Okay. Okay All right, yeah, it looks looks overall like we've got a bit again what I love about this is in the chat It was all over the shop, right? Like these dudes are Straight just one through ten everybody every thing had a score I mean egg grot is pretty cool. I'll give egg grot some some Some things but yeah in the end I got to say these guys don't do it for me I don't generally love the weird bone helm look like I think it looks kind of goofy The leader is just has too much junk on him. Like it's just ridiculous. It's a ridiculous amount of things The like war baboons are fine The screaming guy's head looks weird and egg grot is cool. I mean, that's that's it, right? That's the summary. Yeah. Yeah so Okay Yeah, I mean Okay, it's just like I wish I had another thought but but I I just think this feels like Underwhelming is is my is my basic my basic answer Okay, cool. All right. Well, let us leave the swamps behind and travel instead To well, I guess we're still in the Norwood so I guess we're staying in the same place, but whatever Look, let's talk about Skaven. Okay. Can we just talk about Skaven for a minute? Finally we're getting to something that is a hot 10 out of 10 now. We're talking. I will accept no lower scores We're here, buddy. You know you mentioned Underworld sculpts just being an excuse for alternate hero sculpts Never has that been more true than this particular thing that is on my screen right now as as we mentioned during a Recent show. I think this is the one with it Paul and I did the current oldest model in the game That is still like the actual model sold on the website and has a listing, you know in the warband, right? or in the battle's home is The plague priest Who was sculpted in jail who was released? Sorry released in January 1993? So that's a while ago Okay. Yeah And here we have a new plague priest a pretty cool one at that. I do agree. There's a bit much on the smoke But could we stop sculpting so much smoke? Why do we have to sculpt so much air? Stop making me paint air? But that being said this dude's pretty cool. Love the warpstone staff whoever painted that by the way Did a really great job on his warpstone staff? Yeah, he looks really really cool like I like him. I like his little rat this little warpstone. Yeah, that's great We got a couple sensor bears here who look really fantastic the one that sort of wrapped like the mummy and the one That's more a little more but they both have traditional that's both calls to traditional dudes He's got a little book of this little tome of of corruption there nice Again more sculpted smoke, but I just don't think we're getting away from that now that they they learn z-cad can sculpt smoke They're like, yeah, let's do this So I will accept a nine out of ten for the smoke. I guess But like the rats themselves are really really good And then we've got our two little plague monk boys Uh, so wonderful great good. Let's just let's just build let's go strength to strength And just use these plague monks to re-sculpt the plague monks Use these sensor bearers to re-sculpt the sensor bearers use this guy or some variant of him to re-sculpt the plague priest And then while we're at it. Let's just re-sculpt the entire scaven line. Let's go. Let's go Uh, these guys are great Scabic is his name scabic plague seeker Okay cool Like there's more to the article that's like all the other cards and stuff, but I don't remember that because I'm I wouldn't remember that Yeah, no, I mean it's what I mean what I'll say is this it is fantastic Like I I love those like I have a soft spot in my heart obviously for scaven Um for pestilence specifically and so um, I think it's great. I'm excited. Yeah These guys are real cool. Um, they said this is a plague monk with a book of woe, but he's got a sensor That's a sensor Plague monks don't have sensors But either way, I don't care you can mix stuff together and go nuts in in in In in underworlds. It's fine. The point is if you were looking to be a complete lunatic Uh, you could I don't know get like multiples of these and then this is your sensor bearers now Uh, and and then you could buy a thousand of these and use them as your plague monks Which would be the stupidest thing in the world because you would spend so much money But they are way better Um But like yeah, these guys are really really good like I love the plague monk look of the hood Over the the face with only the little little nose Yeah, um classic like blade and blade or stick and blade, right? We've got that mix They they were paying homage to all the the the classics here. Um, yeah, I mean like these guys aren't they also don't feel overdone No, can I just say that? Like these actually look really clean as sculpts Yes, the smoke is too much and I wish the smoke wasn't there But beyond that these dudes are actually pretty straightforward sculpts. Yeah Yeah, I would agree with that Not too much junk. Not too much stupid crap Just like the things I also do love in war cry that we get the scene a error Sorry, not in war cry in underworlds that we get the scenic basing Because as always the scaven bases look really cool with like the sewery elements and stuff like that All of these guys are supposed to be in the gnarled wood and yet we're still giving them like the sewer bases Right Yeah, they're not up on this guys. I'm sorry. Does the gnarled wood have plumbing? Where is this sewer grade coming from? Yeah, you didn't know you didn't know Um The uh, miko said this tails look like earthworms Yeah, that's Staven tails have always looked like earthworms always because tails look like earthworms Like they're little segmented things Uh, they uh, I mean like these are better than the original scaven tails. That's for sure as somebody who's who's uh Painted many many many hundreds of little scaven tails little scaven Tails and yeah, you could you could snip the cloud down on these two Like you could just cut off this billow part And then just put a little green stuff on the end to have it trailing into wisps and and be good to go So you could remove some of the smoke. It's doable This guy's a problem Yeah, getting rid of his smoke But yeah, overall these guys were were fantastic. Like this is a total win for me. This is great I love seeing even the hint of scaven re-sculpts Uh So Like yes more more I have nothing else to say anything else tom on the the scaven. No, it's great. Love it. Yeah, like wonderful sculpts, uh, I I hope this is a harbinger Uh, uh See because those are books that they're doing of a full re-sculpt come. Okay, sure All right, let's end on the big show Cities of sigmar we finally get in the full full sort of look of what's happening here We don't like this isn't all of it But we're getting a good view into what's happening. So first off we got our cities of sigmar box I'm gonna mute this and actually replay the video. Um, just because this is Uh, this one's actually pretty fun So we can actually see it in action. But tom all the video is playing Where do you stand right now based on what we've seen? of the For the cities I love them I do Like I love what what they are and where they're going um And uh, if I wasn't pretty locked in for what this fall looks like army wise for the holy event I would consider doing a city's arm. Okay. Okay. Maybe that's the next year thing, you know, give yourself some time Indeed. Yeah All right. So I mean, we've seen some of these kits before right so like obviously Here's the picture of them all together I assume this is the the release box because they're the way it's pictured up here It's like the box and then she's out here separate. So I assume she's a separate kit and launch I assume there's probably some other separate kits. They'll have as well that we haven't seen yet Uh, but so let's talk about the stuff we've seen before First off, we've got our leader guy, right our lord with his different optional assemblies I give this guy seven out of ten How you feeling on this dude him and his little buddy? Uh, yeah, yep Yep, I like all of it I like him. I think the most of the models in the box. Okay Okay I think he's the Like I think he's the the one that grabs me the most Now then we've got this new dude. We hadn't seen before our like heavy leather kilted guy with his uh With this little hot pot The free guild steel helms are the rank and file Oh, so right. That's that's that's those guys the alchemyte warforger There we go powerful wizard smiths from the gold college of shamones. This is our wizard These metallurgical mages can reinforce the armor of allies and infuse weapons with searing power Aided by the smoldering runic crucibles. They carry into battle So we got a little gold our little our little gold mage here very unusual look for a wizard, huh? No, I like it. I love it. It feels like a smith I agree I mean gold wizards were always my favorite kind of wizards ever since I've read the original story where that dude took down the The fire wizard who was in charge um Someone called hot pot wizard balthazar smelt Solid that's some solid word play Uh, I I enjoy that. Yes more sculpted smoke as someone pointed out. Yeah, indeed. They can't help themselves That one could clearly be cut right out of that pot though Then you just got to do with the pot. You can keep the little tiny whisk up top. I'm okay with a teeny tiny whisk Yeah, this is a cool wizard. What a what a grim wizard this guy is right First of all, he's muscular pushing plates. You're way to way to keep working out wizard. Good job I mean he's carrying around this heavy crap all day Do you remember the leather jerken three? I love hearing a wizard that's got cool buffs for his allies I'm here for it Do you remember those crazy guys from beast master? like years ago that had the that Like beast master that's right with like koto and koto or whatever like the two weasels. I'm in the right space. Yeah um Those weren't the names of the weasels. I I know I'm close. Um But they had like these crazy frenzied guys and the mask on this guy looks almost like identical to the to the mask on those uh crazy Gimpy guys, I don't know how else to say them like sure they have like flaws in a mask or whatever Um when I saw that immediately like I got taken back to my eight-year-old self. Sure Watching that movie. Well Nostalgia is just a hell of a drug, but at the same time this dude is objectively cool So I'm okay with it um So like I'm I'm down for this dude Now then we got our troops obviously just a nice view of all of them We've seen obviously uh these guys before but now we get a nice view of the whole the whole group uh I love that we've got like This is a real panoply of the mortal realms here. Can we just say that like we got a lot of different sort of uh Body types here signing up. I'm I'm here for that like yeah, man. Like you got to defend your cities It's to take all comers, right? So I I like a lot of these dudes very different sort of faces mixed gender units great like these dudes look cool Um, you know Martin said they look a little more ornate than they should Disposable troops, but they're not disposable to cities, right? Right Yeah, and actually like the one thing that strikes me is that uh Like the one miss is that they don't uh They don't have um They don't have mixed races. That was the one that's to me Like somebody had said there's a couple that look elven-ish, but like they're clearly they all feel human There's a few that you could be like, well, maybe that's an elf under there but Yeah, but I I like the the individuals a little bit. We'll have a little bit of meat on them I appreciate that like they're recognizing that not everybody's lifting like that shimon wizard Mm-hmm Can also time pushing plates, buddy. That's right, right exactly Okay I mean Okay, let me say let me let me put this out there for you tom Yep If I like cover up the head on this model on these models Yes, they are I love them Okay, so you don't like the helmets or you don't like the helmets at all faces Fascinating I really hate this like pot bowl Helmet I just This particular aesthetic they've chosen for the helmets. I just really don't like I I mean aesthetics are all personal, right? Yeah, I'm sure I'm sure you could resin print uh of hosta heads Of course, of course. Yeah, that's not gonna be an issue Like everything else about these guys I like I like all the different weapons I like the different guys the dude without the helmet on who's just like got the little Trophy rack or weapon or something like a broken weapon his little his little banner effectively I do it's great Just marching around with his club ready to go smash some faces. Yeah They said in the in the the preview that that's the battle priest. Gotcha. Yeah, cool Like apparently there's a battle priest associated with the unit. Nice. Great fantastic um Like I'm here for for this if you can head swap them I I honestly think that's the biggest miss for me. Uh, I just don't like the helmets um But like the shield I think is such a cool design. I just really like it Uh, I I so I really love the shield I don't I have to imagine those are going to be a transfer sheet that comes in the special box the special release box I mean, you you you would think so, right? Like I can't imagine that I can't imagine that they're going to include like eight different shields Like or 80 different or 80 shields, right? Like that's what you're talking about because there's like Because they had a bunch of different cities like that they're going to be founding like one thing. Sure. Sure And so like there's probably a handful of these And if if you're going to do all of them in the same heraldry like I just can't imagine that it would be Like you're gonna get individual sculpts all of those. Yeah, so like it's clearly just flatten on there Like I I have to imagine that's just a transfer that comes with the the kit which is cool Because that will also mean you could put other transfers there and and you know things like that But yeah, to me it's like head swap these dudes and they're perfect I'd love a full face helm or just a just an open head or a more simple helm Like there's there's lots of different designs they could go with but I just I hate the ridge Yeah, okay This like bowler ridge. They look like armored bowlers there. That's that's I've gotten to it. I've gotten to it I mean, I I honestly don't hate that That's all I'm saying. No, I mean, that's just it aesthetics are personal, right? Like I don't I'm not trying to be like if you like it cool like all good, you know, I'm not kind of I'm not trying to yuck anyone's young um Like I'm not I'm not fully like in on the helm, but I think it's cute Sure Because that makes sense like like I I could do an army with these dumb helms Like in just a moment. They are right like I know what this is sure But for me, uh, like I could imagine an easy head swap over to many other things And I'd be down here for these because like actual body and armor design shield design weapons all that stuff I love I think they're they look really great Um, so yeah, okay, then we got the knights Uh, we've seen the knights before obviously, but then we're getting a little more detailed They'll obviously be in the the city's launch box We we we knew we were getting like a cities like the sisters like the black Templars Like you know, we were getting a special box. So none of that there it is AJ said that the helmets look like the halfling helmets. That's what it reminds Like the hot pot. I agree with that. It does look like that. Yeah playing helmets And I never really loved their helmets either though It looks that though it does hit differently on a tiny short halfling Who's the little round boy and it does on like a city's troop, right? Uh knights are cool Jumping over the knights. I'm in Yeah, like the detail looks insane on these guys, but I don't care Like I love the dark steel look on these guys. Yeah, sure what they've done Like the beaten black and steel like the weather Um Yeah, I just I love it. I love it. I actually particularly like the guy with orange Like I'm not a big uh orange. Yeah. Oh this used to like the desaturated orange with the darker Yeah, the desaturated orange. Yeah, like that like that interest that that skull helm too is pretty sweet Yeah Uh, yeah, I mean these dudes are super cool. Uh, I agree with you Maybe a bit high on the detail like let's be fair, right? That's these guys are going to be a project to paint Yes, yes, uh, but I mean you don't just knock out 20 nights. That's not something Right, but at the same time Uh, that's that's the story with knights now, right? The big question for me is Will the and I don't I didn't I didn't watch all the stream So I don't know but like did they say whether or not these Kits that are in the launch box will be the exact same sprues that are on the knights when they're released individually They didn't say these are the questions I have right like is this going to be like an et and easy to build Uh kit that's different than the actual spru cut for the kit itself And second question and most important question and it looks I'm like looking at it It very much looks like the answer is yes, but it's a hard thing to actually read Just from a painted model But will the are the knights themselves separate from how much of the knight is separate from the horse? You know the legs are sculpted into the saddle. There's a quite a recess there But they've gotten a lot better at cut-ins. So that's that's not a good judge. You know You know That those legs are sculpted in to like the armor and saddle and that they're going to connect at the Sure, which is fine like that's navigable by the way like you can do that as long as the waist joint is easy To slot over top of that's okay um So i'm okay with it Kyle nelson says they have three wounds and a 10 inch move from the snapshot of the cards couldn't see the saver weapon profile cool and look uh I mean the the you know big heavy knights cool sounds good, but exactly like this uh You look at painting these guys. You look at painting cast knights. You look at painting blood knights None of those are simple kits, but at the same time you generally only use one to two units in your army Because they are heavy probably relatively expensive points wise is what I mean, uh, and Uh, so that's good. They said that the knight kits are very flexible weapons helms shields all changeable That's great to hear I'm excited if we get the full normal screw and and it has all the options on it And if the spruce have a lot of different options on it And i'll say these guys clearly have different options than the ones we had seen previously Yeah, so Um, it's always a slog to paint. I agree with kyle nelson, but it's often worth it You get your knights painted you look at like a unit of fivert you got like two you got like 10 knights painted You look at them and you're like man. I'm good for the rest of my life with these dudes and they look awesome Yeah, right, so it's it's a it's a worthy journey that which is too, uh, lightly earned is too little esteemed I suppose Um Yeah, cool stuff Ah, there you go. Ah, it even says that the army set uh is the first place you can get these miniatures and includes four transfer sheets With iconography covering a wide variety of free cities heraldry. I should have just read further in the article Awesome, so like I assume, you know all the different little skulls and the wolves they they mixed the knights iconography You can see it here. So I assume we get the little bore. I guess that's a bore not a wolf The skulls who else we have we have the original one you add the This thing that was like that like the other uh dudes we saw up above Yeah, yeah, cool. Cool. Cool dig that. I love having a bunch of different. I love transfer sheets Uh, especially for stuff like this. That's great. That's great. Yeah Uh, and then yes 54 units they can field so we're still keeping 54 units some 54 units That's that's a lot of units. It is I would assume that all the dwarves are gonna stay um I mean that tells me a lot of stuff is saying Right, like there's well, there could be other new units. We haven't seen yet some stuff's clearly getting cut Okay, but it's being like the Wanderers are probably those elves are probably gonna get cut Oh, yeah, I forgot they were even there. So okay, sure. Yeah, like all of those are gone That's but I wonder But I wonder about The dark elves the dark elves are the ones that I'm really curious I mean, there's a good number of those scrolls unless we're having like a lot a lot of new units. We haven't seen yet Right Yeah, uh, I can't imagine they cut all of them Like I I agree with you that any wood elf stuff has got to be gone Yeah, because 54 as cinderfall said is the current number. So we're we're a lot. We're staying at the same number Right, so we can't lose that much um So like the dark elves I don't remember cinderfall Maybe you know how many dark elf scrolls are in cities right now like how many different war scrolls are actually dark elves maybe Yeah, like the lord on dragon the sorceress on dragon executioners Sorcerers on uh executioners sorcer on foot black guard spheres crossbows um, uh swords dread swords um eight Yeah, maybe eight something might be missing. Yeah, sure. Uh, so like at least eight and Like that's a lot of new units to replace if those guys are getting well, right? Well, so that's that's dark elves and then for wood elves you have Rangers like the foot soldiers the uh, both of the cavalry variants. Sure. You have the noble You have the sisters of the watch Yeah, see that feels like you could cut that and that would be replaced by these new units like the new cavalry So like that we also are going to have shuffling around of the The the mainline troops obviously as well, right? Yeah as well So like, you know, the the the guys on foot will clearly have probably two alternate builds like there'll be two scrolls Right, we've seen these new hero units So like it feels like there's enough to cut them, but maybe the dark elves will stay. I don't know Okay, uh Oh, yeah, the the caribdis, of course. Oh, yeah, yeah the chariots Yeah, there's just like way too much to cut the dark elves. We there's if we had dropped to like 42 But some of those are different factions remember you have your drax bond sub vacuum And you have the sorceress sub faction. Yeah, like those are two different groups Ash and don said wanderers have seven units still in the mainline game. There you go like That there's no way we that that we're losing both of those because that would be yeah, that's like There's no way we're replacing this with 17 new units or something like that Right Yeah, but if they so it's interesting because if they pull like the sisters Then they what are they gonna do with the the The shadow warriors like the old shadow warrior kits that are that are in a different sub who knows they could be going to Yeah, right like that that they could that's the kind of stuff that could go right sure. Yeah Okay All right, very good and then uh Yeah, this girl, uh, what was her name? Tal my price is here somewhere. Uh, awesome. Talia vedra Her name is of the perch Okay This model is awesome Yeah, yep Yep, as soon as I saw her I was like, yes, please this all of this I hope this isn't isn't just a name character because I I want to I want to build this I want to I want to have this Yeah, do we have do we have generic? Uh leader on manticore first of all very stoked for this return of this sweet looking manticore What a what a what a fantastic glow up from old versions of this thing that lion face is wild Uh, like that is really good Uh, like I really really like that um She got that thing chained I don't love the silly chair behind her with like the Faces the big wooden chair. Yeah, the big wooden chair We're really a fan of these big wooden chairs recently for people on these monsters and like look a saddle is fine We don't need to bring furniture into this. I don't know if they cut some kind of deal with Ikea That like all of a sudden everybody's just trying to get their home furnishings like maybe pure one imports is in here I don't know what's happening, but um You know like we we don't need it and fortunately like here This does look like a separate piece Like I can see the bottom of the chair where it looks like it was it was placed on right And so if that means I can just assemble her without the chair Then I am a 10 out of 10 on this model Because the throne is stupid. It's just stupid Yeah, it's like I understand like I'm interested to see what are they talking about with the all the saint's heads That are in all the boxes are in all the throne stuff like I'm interested to see what they're gonna do with that Yeah I love how she has a choice of magic weapons by the way Do like you see all the different optional assemblies right like it's here in the picture we're showing Yes, and by the way, I love the helmeted head versus the the you can see her normal face up here. Yeah. Um, yeah, she's I I believe She's totally wearing an eyepatch. We've got an eyepatch badass on her hands. Look out so and so The fiery sword parched tongue taken from the archmage danta falloria the great axe justice rested from the so-called bloody duke The heavy mace war maker claim from the corrupt treasurer Vinalius the hammer of zeal a trophy from the ex Pontific pontifex of the cults of um unburrogen Great. She's like a d&d character. Just grabbing all the magic weapons There's like which magic weapon am I gonna use this is a high level d&d character where you just got a pile of magic weapons You can use I I love how all of it has history like you feel that history with uh With uh with the like the lore that they're taught now Yeah, absolutely So the only thing that like I I love this this uh, it's super great And so like I love all her different magic weapons. What a what a wonderful fun thing that is Um, I do hope there is a generic version as well that that is at least possible. That would be really good Um, but boy. Oh boy. How freaking cool Um, and yes, what a what a tremendous glow up from the the chaos manticore from the existing manticore Like that's not even close. That's just not even close One of these things is not like the other. Yeah, no joke. Um So, uh The only thing that made me sad about this whole thing. Okay Okay We'll have more information on the dawn bringer crusades and the stages sigmar on warhammer community in the coming months Hold on. What is this now? The coming months You better mean like Now when is this coming out? Like I was hoping this was going to be out relatively soon What this means is that this launch box will come out Like in the next month or two And then your actual full army release probably won't be out till october. Yeah, that's what i'm gonna Yeah, that feels that feels like you're not wrong there. That's and that makes me sad but like Uh, I mean, what are we thinking like an august release for the for the for this box? And then in like late september early october for for the actual full cities release Yep, that's sort of standard like the slaves to darkness same cadence that sort of thing what we've seen over and over again Yeah, yep. Yeah, look, I want to see what all this range has so like when they put out the launch box With this we better also get What else is coming like I want to understand. Well, I'm assuming when we get in the book Yeah, that's what I'm saying. I'm assuming we're getting the battle tone. Yeah. Yeah, it says so. Yes the battle toms in the book Yes, it said so. Yeah, or the battle toms in the box. Sorry. I did say so Yeah Along with the cards and the transfer sheets and all that crap like it's a standard It's a standard special edition launch box right where it includes all all the crap all the crap you'd want. Yep um so like uh I think that Oh, there's one other little can I make a I want to talk a little story note here okay uh As pragmatic as she is passionate Talia understands that more than oaths and parades her troops need food in their bellies and boots on their feet Double star it's an attitude that's inspired fierce loyalty in the rank and file enforced for stormcast allies to tacitly overlook The first marshals thinly veiled disdain for azerite busy bodies Okay, all fine cute. I like it. She doesn't like people from azer because they're you know Easier because you know, whatever their pencil pushers their pencil pushers. Sure. Let's now follow this double star down here Some hold Talia personally responsible for the extra rations decks of cards and cigars found in supply caches Okay, when did uh, the cities of sigmar become puritanical? Uh, why would be why would finding cigars in their rations be in any way unexpected? Like what are we talking about here? Yeah, these dudes can have us like these are what? What is this edwardian europe? British people man. I tell you what Like this stuff. No. No, this is an extra, right? It's not that that the cigars are there rations Okay, oh got it decks of cards and and cigars Oh, yeah, these are soldiers in this horrible world at war Like this feels this world is much more like gritty like the the sort of witcher world than it is like You know some pump in circumstance. We're gonna properly march out boys Like get out of here with this nonsense. Get this puritanical crap the heck out of my my narrative okay I I can't stand this like it's it's deteriorating like of course these soldiers play cards in gamble Of course, they smoke like get out of here Not maybe maybe they're trying maybe they're trying to turn us against sigmar Yeah, and so like this is the way they're gonna do it like sigmar's up there like no playing poker like get out of here He's a barbarian thunder lord Okay Like that dude does not care they literally worship a barbarian like norse Uh thunder, you know god. Okay. Come on. Yeah Yeah Uh, absolutely insane absolutely insane Uh, I just like I know this is the weirdest thing to have a uh to pick on But like yeah, exactly fenrin said no fun allowed in the mortal realms. Yeah No, get out of here. Get out of here with this nonsense. Okay Yes, uh, stop that with that stupid narrative like whoever's in the marketing department quit your edwardian bs We're not having it here. There's no place in my world. Okay Anyways, so that's the preview overall, uh Yeah, cool stuff Would I like to see more is my honest answer Um, I'm glad like You know a lot of the city stuff we saw is stuff. We've already seen that we saw it more detail I do think the new lord is absolutely incredible like what a note to end on like she is fantastic Like a really really a plus sculpt like I absolutely love her. I cannot cannot get that fire that chair into the sun Okay, just yeet that thing over into the sun And we've got like I said, it's a it's a 10 out of 10 model for me all the way all the way Yep, uh the pose the sculpt the detail Everything about her is wonderful. The names the narrative love it all So i'm excited for cities man I Yeah, I don't think this is gonna be an army I collect but I I think I will probably paint this girl and because like I have a city's army so okay But I don't know maybe it'll win me over You know, maybe the rest of the stuff will eventually I keep trying to say i'm not gonna do it But maybe maybe I'll have to paint a third city's army. Who knows who knows Uh, all right anything else we want to say about the preview tom No, I love it. All right. Let's leave on this then What like we assume there's more city stuff to be revealed. I mean they basically said as much here at the end Right, like hey, there'll be more to come, right? Yep um What Do you still want to see So what of the of the the city stuff, right? They're assuming there's more What do you want to see? So we've gotten so like the guy in robes, right? That was with the with the great helms Yeah, oh, yeah. Yeah, sure. That's the little Say what are you talking about the priest guy you're talking about the Another priest. Okay. It's clear to me that They're like that faith is a big deal for these guys. Sure I am looking forward to the new fanatic equivalents Okay, sure And the new and the potentially like a new or alter-esque type of thing I don't know what that might look like, but like I have to assume it's coming, right? Sure. Sure. Love that idea Yeah, like oh man a new war altar. Yeah, absolutely with some some some new fanatics. Yeah, that'd be great Absolutely, um because like because and maybe that's what's being clued in here with like the cards and the puritanical craft, right? is that Is that maybe there is this kind of religious push Because you literally have priests that are now with all the foot soldiers Sure, sure No, that's it's a good point And so I just wonder like what is the build out of that? Are we gonna see units of witch hunters? I could be I could be in for that. I could be hard in for that That's that would be amazing. Okay. I like all these ideas. Tom. You're you're I like what I'm picking up what you're putting down I'll say that So, yeah, that is a great call. I love the war altar Idea, that's good. I love all that a lot of people in the in the comments talking about range troops Like a light cab or you know gun troops or stuff like that. Sure. Sure. Absolutely I think we're gonna keep all those. I think we're gonna keep all the outriders We're gonna keep a lot of that stuff that we yeah The question is do we like keep outriders and pistoliers and then have new but you could you could imagine new handgunners That kid's gotta go because that was all out of the same Sort of right, you know, but I could see them have like hand carriers, but Again, we're probably gonna keep our dwarves, which means that we're keeping iron grid. Sure So, um Like it would have to be something pretty distinct from that I'd like to see some other some other uh Some some other uh Species mixed in right some other elves or stuff like that But if we're not gonna get new elves or dwarves because I think I assumed I'll kind of just use the existing range for that Then my ask is let's get some let's get some mercenary ogres, man Yeah, like right we we got that we got our we got that that that thin boy ogre, right? We saw that dude Uh with his with the with the pole on the back. I want to see more of that stuff Right. I want to see more ogre stuff. We've got that. We got the dude with the guy right on his back with the little Sniper rifle we saw previewed, right? I want to see more of that. I want to see like a unit of those dudes Right. Um, like a unit of cool gruff like City's mercenary ogres like that would be cool as Uh, so that's that's I hope that's not like I hope that's not the only ogre in the army. That would feel really weird Right So, yeah um There you go. Is the free gill general on griffin gone though? Um, I'm gonna say probably I don't know who knows. I guess it depends on it depends on whether or not Sorry going the wrong way The answer to that question is whether or not this girl has a generic war scroll Right, right because if she doesn't then no because it's they're not going to replace a generic kit with a special character You had to take right if she does then yes, right because they'll just retire that old one and and and that'll be the new thing Yeah, um and my feeling is she will have some kind of generic version as well. So Um So, yeah, okay, uh as many people have said where's big pig? I agree. We got no additional news on big pig or when big pig is coming Uh So like where's big pig? We need big pig. It should be in my hands right now I should be like ending this dream to assemble in paint big pig and yet here. I am not doing that And uh, I am sad about it. But other than that good preview overall Uh, yeah, what what's your what's your final rating on this preview tom? Uh, it's like a Seven I agree. I'd give this a seven out of ten. We got to we got to see some stuff. We got some cool things It's no daughter. Okay. It's no daughters. Oh, but I mean But that's what I'm saying but like but I'm excited for most of what they announced Yeah, uh, I mean say we got a lot of information like knowing that there's 54 Scrolls still in the book tells us that hopefully the the elves and dwarves are saying because there's just no way They sculpted that many new units like it just becomes an impossibility Um, so like something for some of that range is saying which is good. That means we'll still have the nice Uh mix of troops. There's what I like about cities. I like the mix species thing. I think that's awesome That's what the cities are Like it's there's we're not we're not divided into kingdoms in the old world of of these various things It's a stupid crap. Um, like I just I I hate that and so like Good stuff. Skaven were good. I don't know about the cool boys like the new plastic knights So that's really great What's a 10 out of 10 reveal the original daughters of kane reveal? That's it. That's a 10 out of 10 because it ended like The music was good and it ended with the whole like the pretty the cut to marathi of Uh, with you know, like saying her line and her great voice no longer will she be denied, right and all of that and like Seeing the snake ladies and the canary ladies and all of that and then marathi itself. It was just like Incredible. It was a perfect encapsulated preview Uh, yeah, it was pure metal. All right. Well, there we go. Well, very good. Thanks everybody. What was it for you? 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