 The best kind of doors are the doors you have to explain. All right, welcome, welcome to Unhinged. With the door door today, we do have a very special guest, Mr. Alan Lilly. Okay, so for those who don't know how Unhinged works, I will share my screen. We'll pop up some door fills, some poor installs, some code violations. I've got some doozies today and we throw out any helpful tips and then we'll give it a knocking score. One being not too knocking bad, like, hey, I understand why you put this up here, Benji, but like, it's not really that bad. But then 10 being really bad, let's get Alan involved in coding compliance. Let's call the AHA, let's get the fire marshal in and get this fixed right away. Okay, how does that sound? You guys ready? Sounds great. Oh my, there's a lot going on here. Okay, so this is the inside and the outside of the same opening? So the one on the left is a different retail shop like a food court. And it opened up into this common hallway right here. And then right there is an actual retail shop. And that's this door right here. You can see the same mannequins right here are the same people hanging up over here. Got it, okay. So the one on the left here, obviously we're looking at the push side of the door. I hope there's nobody that's short but needs to lock that up. And with that variable to the top there is, I'm six and a half feet tall, that would be just fine for me, but you know, like I said, the ability that's, you know, I'm your six, I'm your six, what's trying to do that? The first thing I see is that looks like a double key deadbolt, like double sides. So I can just lock people in kind of at will. This is really small in the limbs and glass. So a lot of hardware for something that is just going to fall apart under a moderate breeze. I appreciate the kick plate on the bottom. That feels like an aftermarket. Is that actually, does that kick plate actually sit higher than the bottom? The bottom rail is actually taller. It looks like it overlaps a little bit, but I believe it's just under under. Yeah, so a lot going on there, like I understand the point, but I also don't understand the point. If you're going to go through this level to make something secure, then just put it better. Was the glove, go ahead. Well, yeah, I was just going to say like that. The glass looks like it's probably just plates. It's unlikely to be laminated. You can see it's already cracked down here. Yeah, well, that's what I'm thinking. Yeah, that's what I was going to ask. Yeah, is that, you know, it's cracked. Is that the glass or that's the floor? That's the glass. Oh, actually, that might be the floor. That might be the door. That's the floor where the leading edge of the door is. That's the door that's dragging on the hallway. So I'm guessing that this was designed. I'm guessing this was designed to open up all the way. And then at some point, they said, no, we'll just open this one center, this one center panel. Because it looks like, otherwise, it's baffling design, but it doesn't make a lot of sense. And really heavy closure for what looks like a fairly light floor. Yeah, it looks like. That looks like bigger than SC-16, but it looks like it's a bizarre design. So it's a really heavy clover for that side of the floor. But what's probably a 40 pound door. I feel like I could blow really hard on this door and do some damage, you know, like puff and blow this door open. Except for, I guess, maybe it's dragging a little bit. So maybe I'd have to push pretty hard to get out of this door. Yeah, well, I mean, the fact that it's dragging there tells me that it's probably like, it looks like it's just hinged to the next panel, which may about one point not been fixed and probably is now. Yeah, it kind of looks like it opened up another. Yeah, it opened up a little further. And then the closure is definitely an aftermarket. It's definitely an afterthought. Same with that barrel bolt on the top, right? Like that, I'm guessing that that extra lever board there was, again, with an afterthought. And again, kind of hard to tell from the picture, but it looks like there's all the screws holding it in. Yeah, there's a couple of missing screws. So the latching side of the bolt is less screws. That's the side that you want the most screws in, right? You would think. You would think. So yeah, I mean, it probably meets the definition of single motion egress, except for the fact that it's dragging on the ground. So, you know, A for effort, like a C minus on the design. So where's that? That's like an eight on the eight knock on the knock steel. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And then I really don't like double keyed dead bolts, right? Keep them both sides. It really irks me. Although I will say there was one time when I was called to lock out, it was called by the bailiff to lock out a business. And I went and I showed up with my picks and they had installed a double keyed dead bolt, but they installed it backwards. So I didn't need to pick the door open. I just needed to undo the screws and push it through and then unlock the door and turn it around the right way so that the emergency screws were on the outside. Yeah. Oh, wow. So that's the one time that it really worked out in my favor. But generally, I don't like that. The fact that they've got the double keyed dead bolt is kind of part and parcel to the volume of glass that's there. But by the time I break one pane of glass to access the dead bolt, I'm just walking right through that door. There's nothing to hold your shot. But you hear the term security theater kind of being thrown around. This makes it look like it's locked. It makes it look like it's secure. It might make you feel better when you're going to bed at night. But there's not a lot of security happening here. So this is an indoor market, right? Yes. So the storefronts don't necessarily need to be super secure, right? Because there's an external door that's locked. Yes. But they want it secure from up their tenants, maybe, or other access. Yeah. But the fact that they have that lock up top tells me that the double cylinder is the wrong application here, right? They should have a thumb turn on the inside because they clearly need to lock it on the inside sometimes without having a key. Yeah, absolutely. Yeah. And you have to be this tall to. To ride this ride. To ride this ride. And that's a pretty hefty bolt up there as well. Like that I could, like for such a flimsy door, that's like a sizable bolt. There's no thrill like overkill. Yeah. So the icing on the top of the cake would be if there was an exit sign above this. So technically, I don't think this was on the path of egress. But it was being used. We used it to go out the hallway to another store. But it wasn't technically a path of egress, which would have been. Is it part of common, is it a common knowledge path, though, right? Is it I came in that door because that's the door. That's the public facing door. It could. Yes. This is a secondary side hallway. And there's another there's another door that goes out to a bigger hallway. So the food, it's a food market on the bottom floor. And then it's like eatery on top. And this is on top. So most people are entering through the bottom door and then going up the stairs or the elevator to the second floor. And this is on the second floor to the whole market. Yeah. It's hard to explain. So it could be considered like, I mean, people were coming in and out of this door, but they were also going back downstairs to the market. OK. So there's an argument to be made there because it's common knowledge and it's an expected path of travel that I would expect in an emergency to be able to get through that door. Get insight. Do you think there's times of low occupancy where they close off the upstairs completely? Oh, I'm sure they probably don't open up the food cart as early as they open up the grocery store, like the actual market downstairs. So I'm guessing they do probably have this locked during business hours, I guess, where the top section is closed off. That would make sense. Well, maybe that's why it's up so high to discourage the young rap scallions from running a muck. So that was the first door. But then peering through that, there's this whole other fun door that you would probably just walk by. And that's I think why they put the sign on there that some creative merchandising going on. So are these schools mounted to the door? Yes. Like all the red schools? Yes. So they are on the door. I should have went up and opened up that door. I regret not doing it. Next time I go to this market, I will. But yeah. I'm guessing it's kind of the same setup. It looks like it looks like it's the same the same type of door. Looks like it's not rubbing quite as badly on the bottom because it looks like there's a threshold there. But the thing that really jumps out at me on this one and the thing that bugs me the most is that the deadbolt and the latch or the deadbolt and the knob are on the same type of one. I've been focused on that since you put this up here. And I just like your eyes twitching a little bit. It hurts me. It hurts me on the inside. Yeah, you're right, though. I would walk right by this. Nothing here indicates that this is a door to use. Pool on door. It's like the side question of video game. Like you got to find the hidden passage and you keep pushing on the bricks in a way that you can do from my childhood. Yes. And eventually one of these, oh, hey, wait a second, this actually does something. But normally you see a sign and it's like, this is not a door. Yeah. Right, so like we're open. Like I would have seen it like the sign to me like the fact that there was a sign there would have set it like in my brain, it would have given me an indication, don't go here. Do not go to this opening. Yeah, I would have looked at that. I would have looked at this. I wouldn't have read what was on the sign. And I would have said, oh, they want me to use another door. And I would have wandered around, not found another door and then been far too frustrated to actually bother going back to this one and just moved on my way. Yeah, yeah. No, in all honesty, based on the stuff that's hanging on the door, I probably wouldn't be looking too hard to get in there in the first place. But that's me, you know, my preference. I also would not. They just had this extra thread and spool that they just needed to put somewhere. And then, you know, like why not use this open retail space right there? Like people are walking by, they get to see all my flashy colors. It's welcoming, it makes you look like you're closed. I had a boss that used to look in the back of my work van and you would say it looks like 10 pounds of poop in a five pound box. That's exactly what this tells me. This is exactly what this reads to me as. I need you to go back here because I need to know what the other side looks like. Like, how do you get out? Well, there's stuff right inside too. It looks like you got to go in, do a little like slide to the left. There's got to be a whole like time warp kind of dance here going on to me to actually get through here. And I think we could, I think we could, you know, set up some sort of flash mob and have ourselves a time. Just like, here's how you get in here. And it's a jump, it's a hop forward and three hops left and two hops forward and one night. It's like the laser room. Like when there's laser beams. But I do like the time warp reference. I love that movie. So yeah. So not too knocking bad, a little bit more unusual and just like, why? No, no, no. The offset back sets are like 10 out of 10 back. I just can't, I can't handle it. It's probably, in most, in the highest probability that knob doesn't actually have a latch in it. And it's just a surface applied pole. And this is just what they had to make a pole level. And I respect that, but put it on center. And I wonder if the, I mean, that's really close to that window pane as well. Like, like why wouldn't you want to just scooch it over a little bit? Or like, is there something going on with that window pane down here? Like, or the knob is originally there and they added, it kind of looks like they added the deadbolt afterwards. That's the more likely scenario. Yeah. It's still wrong and it's bad. And I don't like it. 10 right there. Because of that. Just because of that alone. Aesthetics right high. Yeah. I just, I can't, I just can't. I like that. I don't like that a lot. I'm a fairly easy to please person. That is one of the absolutes. That was, that was the line. It takes that far to get off the line across the line. It might only be a quarter inch, but that's enough. You know what I don't understand is in the first picture, if you look to the left, it looks like they've put an aluminum storefront frame in. Yup. Is that an aluminum storefront or is that a, is that like a vending machine? No, no, all the way to the left. There's like another entrance. Right? Yes. That to a different store. Yeah. That's aluminum storefront. Why can they just, Why not? Why not continue? Somebody else recognized that this was a horrible setup and did something better. Right. We just didn't, we just haven't carried it on the rest of the way yet. Yeah. And again, they probably want the kitschy feel. Like I get it. It's probably like some sort of a historical building would be my guess. Looking at the oak floors and stuff, but see if he doesn't have to be historical. Yeah. Just the, I thought it was a quirky, quirky kind of setup. Yeah. Quirky's a good work for that. Yeah. It's cute. Right? This is actually Eugene, a little bit farther south, which is still very quirky. Eugene is very quirky. Yeah. Does it deserve a knocking score? Should we give it official? I think Alan set on the 10. So, Mia, what do you think? Not knowing the whole building and everything, but I feel like the occupancy here is generally kind of low. And so I don't know if we're running a lot of life safety risks. I mean, you just walk through the glass and then you're out. Yeah. It doesn't even take Mr. Kool-Aid. Like anybody can walk through that. I think I'm in like the five-ish range. I mean, definitely things need to be addressed. Like they've got wrong applications and really they should just be replacing the whole opening. These are little, little band-aid fixes to try to resolve a much larger issue here. Yeah. Okay. So not too knocking bad, but not great. Not great to look at. Okay. You guys ready for the next one? If you want to be featured on a future episode of Unhinged or if you have some pictures to submit, you can leave us a note below or you can email me at Mia at doorhardwarenerds.com.