 You can now follow me on all my social media platforms to find out who my latest guest will be and don't forget to click the subscribe button and the notifications button so you're notified for when my next podcast goes live. This is self-confidence thing. I just thought I'm just a chubby middle-aged car salesman like with a Mocny accent. Who's going to want to listen to me? But I'm not a gangster. I'm not a drug dealer. I didn't know the craze, but maybe my story is a little bit more relatable to an 18-year-old kid who doesn't know what to do with his life. Do you know what I mean? And I did have this thing like, James, I want to do you justice. You're smashing it at the moment. You've had some heavy hitters on. So I used to do like little videos of myself, you know, thinking I was funny, you know, little skits, little bit of jokes about road rage, you know, like, so ginger cabbie now and, you know, dapper laughs, you know, they're still doing all that banter and that's how it started. And I cringed to think of my username back then, but it was Lenny the Giza. That's what it was, Lenny the Giza. Oh, it says a shiver down my spine when I think about it now, but I can't hate it because it got me to, it got the most of my followers, you know. You know, I said earlier to you, if Instagram and my following and everything just ended tomorrow, I'd still have all the important things in life, my wife, my house, my dog. I'd still have work. It might be a little bit more difficult because we sell so many cars through social media, but I'd still have all those important things and love with my wife and happiness. So that is, you know, that is a blessed life. I've driven everything. I've driven a LaFerrari, which is 2 million quid, about 3 million quid now. Pagani Huwara, Huwara. See, even I do it. Pagani Huwara. Yeah, drove that round the corner. That's a 3.5 million pound car and it's incredible, you know. When I was Lenny the Giza and I was doing these funny videos and I was being a little bit more out there and obnoxious and stuff, I did get a few trolls and people not like me and stuff like that, but you should expect that. Do you know what I mean? I've changed it now to Lenny.urban. It's more about the cars and it's more professional because I thought, look, no one's going to buy a 250 grand car for you if you're acting like a clown on social media. Do you know what I mean? So I had to evolve. I had to change it. I'm happy for what I did because it got me to where I am now, but I had to evolve and turn it into something a little bit more professional. Boomerang. Straight in. Straight out of here. Lenny boy, it's good to have you on the show. Thank you for having me mate, yes. It's the man with the white van kind of luxury car dealer you're known all over the UK now with certainly the biggest and most expensive cars around. Yeah. I suppose, yeah, what if our man to luxury car salesman with the help of social media and you know without social media, I wouldn't be at the job on me now, wouldn't be here meeting you today. I wouldn't have the nice things that I've got using social media in the right way and you know, it's a powerful tool if used correctly. So yeah, yeah, I think it's good. It's good. I've done, I've done a right with the use of Instagram and social media. We've just pulled that upside, outside there in the Lamborghini. Yeah. White. Yeah. For anybody that loves their cars, this is a podcast for them, but then again, you've got a great backstory from coming from fuck all basically to then being like the contacts you've got on your Instagram, you see the photos with all these big names as well. Yeah. The contact list is powerful just like myself. You know, your network is your net worth, isn't it? You know, and that's, and that's the thing. I mean, I'm very, I do say quite a bit, you know, we were just talking about, you know, struggling with confidence and stuff like that. And I, you know, I always say that I'm lucky, but then I think, well, no, I have worked hard for this, whether it be building up my social media, meeting the right people, you know, networking with the right people. And you know, I think if you're into cars, if you're into cars and you're in the UK, and you know, I've got a lot of American followers as well, a lot of Australian followers. But if you're into cars and modify cars, luxury cars, chance are you'll probably know who I am. Whether you like me or follow me, I don't know, but you'll know who I am, especially in the UK. I always go back to the start with my guest, brother. Get a bit more information about yourself. Because we spoke earlier and we're talking about you should do a lot of vine videos and you kept saying that people might not like you this and that, but you're following strong. People show you a lot of loving support. I think there's a bit of self-doubt there that everyone has. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But let's go right back to the start, brother, where you grew up and how it all began. Nothing too exciting really. I mean, you know, I'm a fan of yours. I listen to a lot of your podcasts and I hear people, you know, talking about their tough upbringing and stuff, but I had a lovely childhood, very, very fortunate, very lucky. Didn't have much money. Grew up in a small town called Sandy in Bedfordshire, which is about an hour north of London. Very lucky that my mum and dad are still together, still happy. I've got an older sister who's 18 months older than me. Like I say, didn't have much money, but we never went without. Do you know what I mean? I never had like new designer clothes and stuff like that. When I say designer, I don't mean like Stone Island Valentino Gucci. I mean, Nike Reebok stuff like that. I was never the kid that had the brand new jacket at the term. Never had beach holidays. The first time I got on a plane was coming up here, 22 years old. Never had, you know, foreign holidays. We always went camping. So my mum and dad, they did very, very well, bringing us up. We were happy children, but we didn't have a lot. Do you know what I mean? Very, you know, nice, but nice childhood. I'm very lucky. Like I think the main thing is just having your parents there and both parents there and happy. You know, I'm very fortunate with that. Very fortunate. Yeah, that takes a lot, especially a lot of people I come from, come from, speak to a lot of backgrounds who come from broken homes and you tend to see that that really affects people as kids. And that's what I mean when I say that, you know, we didn't have much, you know, didn't have much money growing up. We were happy kids, you know, even we were just going camping down in Somerset. I was happy. You know, I was in the, you know, the lakes fishing and on the BMX and, you know, and that's a blessed childhood if you're happy. Do you know what I mean? And that's, you know, so yeah, got a really good relationship with my mum and dad, very lucky to have them. But yeah, averaging school, like wasn't really into school at all. Left school at 16. My sister was a straight A student, but I just didn't get it. I was good at, I was good at the classes that I enjoyed, like graphic design, art, PE, and I got like an A for graphic design, B for art, all the rest with Ds and Es. So left school at 16, didn't do any further education. Um, and yeah, just got straight into where else jobs, white van, man, you know, just, just trying to scratch about a bit of, bit of money. Um, you know, a lot of my mates were roofers, brickies, builders, you know, they'd 17, 18 years old, as soon as they got their wages, they drink it down the pub where I was the first one, you know, in a small town to have a nice car. They, um, the people who were into cars will know this series two escort RS turbo. So I had one, I was at 19 and I saved up, save, save, save, because back then you didn't have my car finance and stuff like that. Um, so I always liked nice things, always liked nice things, but you know, my mum and dad didn't steal to me that you have to work hard for him. No one's going to give anything to you. And you know, the, the small things that I have now, you know, everything I've got, I've done it myself, you know, and I did back then as well, you know, my mum and dad never gave me any money for like cars or anything like that. Um, even just, you know, this sort of stuff, just, you know, everything I've done, I've done myself and there isn't a pride in that, I suppose, you know, you feel better for it. If you work hard for it and you say for it and you get it yourself rather than if in giving to your more proud, like always try to cut corners for 30 or years and never ever got me anywhere ever. And I was never happy doing it. Now that I make more money, now everything's legit. Like I feel proud. I feel, I don't know what I don't spend as much when actually being a little fucker. I was constantly burning it. I don't know if that's a sense of guilt because I wasn't earning it, but now I'm penny pinching, I still like nice things, I still get nice watches, I still go luxury holidays, like I'm shooting for the stars, but I enjoy it more and I feel as if I save more because I'm earning legit. Like, I think for that, like sometimes I like to go about a shopping and I look at a pair of trainers, five, six hundred quid, I think. Oh, but then I think rain it in a little bit. Yeah. But it's that 50, 50 thing, you know, there's half of you that thinks, oh, you've got to keep a bit of dough back. And then the other half of you thinks, as corny as it sounds, YOLO, you know what I mean? And the last eight months has proven, life is short. You know what I mean? You've got to enjoy yourself. But as a kid having older cousins and, you know, hand me down clothes, you know, I remember my paper round money, I bought my first designer t-shirt. It was a Kangol t-shirt. I thought I was the bollocks, you know what I mean? But I think where I didn't have all that sort of stuff when I was younger, like the Air Max is in the Reeboks, I'd like inter sport trainers and stuff like that. I think that's why I'm not an obsession, but I think that's why my only vice is closed now. You know, I love my stone island. I've got a dressing room full of, you know, clothes and trainers and stuff. But, you know, none of it's on a credit card. I've worked hard for it. And when I walk into my dressing room, I think, you know, that's just nice. You know what I mean? Although I wear an urban t-shirt throughout the week. And then because I'm with my dog on the weekends, I wear the same tracky bottoms and Air Max 95s because I'm going in the fields with him. You know what I mean? So, but yeah, it's nice. Where did your fascination then for Cars Start? Was that a very young year? Always as a kid, you know, like matchbox cars. I had that little play map with all the roads on it. But I've got OCD and I was really, even from a real young age, everything has to be particular and in an order. So I had all my cars lined up there, all in a color order. You know, my mum and dad probably thought I was mental. But yeah, cars have always been my thing. My granddad, my mum's dad, he was always into cars. He had a chocolate brown Jag XJ. He was from East London. So he was a bit of a geezer. His brother, Charlie, used to roll about in the big Jag as well. Big sheepskin jackets. I thought, they're cool. You know what I mean? That's cool. But yeah, my granddad always had nice cars. My dad loved his cars. But I'd say he never really had the money to treat himself. We had a Golf GTI and a few bits back in the day, but cars have always been the thing, always. And to be able to work in an industry now where it is just about cars, you know, we'll probably go into it later how I did. But it's a genuinely a dream come true because, you know, I'm 38 now, and it's only been the last five or six years that I've been working with cars. You know, so it's, yeah, it's amazing. You're always heading out of jobs back in the day. Yeah, always. Most ability. Yeah, no, just it was just, you know, white van man was always the thing. I was always a delivery driver. I even did my lorry license, got my class too. So I did a bit of truck driving as well. But yeah, I mean, it was almost embarrassing because I do get kids DM me saying, how did you get to where you are? Do you know what I mean? And I'm like, that's that's that's embarrassing because I can't tell them. It's a mixture of, you know, being around the right people, having my social media as well, yeah, meeting the right people and a little bit of luck and a little bit of doing the right thing, you know, and that's, and that's where it was, you know, I went from, I did eight years of my last job and that was delivering survey equipment around London. So Pat LaValle up five o'clock in the morning, drive down to London, do laps around London, drop off survey equipment and, and that's where the social media started because if you're doing in London, you'll know that most of the time you're sat in traffic bored. And this was when Instagram six, seven years ago, it was 15 second video. So I used to do like little videos myself, you know, thinking I was funny, you know, little skits, little bit of jokes about roadways, you know, like, so ginger cabbie now and, you know, dapper laughs, you know, they're still doing all that banter and that's how it started. And I cringed to think of my username back then, but it was Lenny the geezer. That's what it was at Lenny the geezer. Oh, it says the shiver down my spine when I think about it now, but I can't hate it because it got me to, it got the most of my followers, you know. And I remember I was driving back from Scotland. My Mrs was driving and I followed this kid called Lord Aleem. I don't know whether you've seen him, but he's a young lad from Birmingham. In his, in his downing, this huge rental company in Birmingham, like 20 odd super cars, like 10 Rolls Royces. Like he was one of the first to bring, you know, cars to social media. And I was like, I use this kid like he was, there was a picture of him in the Daily Mail, brand new Rolls Royce Phantom Drophead, one OID on the number plate Lord out the back like that. I was like, who's this little guy? And started following him. And I was like, I was just like, obviously into his cars, he's made the, and this was when he, back then he had like 400,000 followers. And I remembered making this little meme thing. Do you remember those motivational posters with the blacks around it? It'd be like, it would be a picture of rowing and it'd be like teamwork. We could all pull together something. So I made one with that picture. And I said, Lord Aleem making Instagram call for car followers, like car people. And he reposted that and instantly 2000 more followers. So his followers became mine. We met up at a car show. We became friends. We started knocking about together. So then his followers become my followers, you know, got up to sort of five, 6,000. Then I met Yanny, Yannemise, who's my older brother. I love that guy to bits. He's a great guy. And he's helped a lot with where I am now with opportunities and stuff like that. But then we became really good friends. We started hanging about again sharing his followers. And then I just became, you know, in that world. Yanny introduced me then to Simon, who owns Urban Automotive. We, you know, we spoke about, you know, potentially me coming on board had no qualifications, never sold anything in my life, apart from a bit of weed when I was 17. And I just, and I just got stuck straight into this, this car world. Do you know what I mean? And it was, like I say, networking, you know, meeting all the right people, got this opportunity urban. I didn't even know I was going to be selling cars. You know, so I just said, Oh, do you want to come on board? You know, I thought I was going to be delivering cars or, or, you know, something in the wear out, you know, whatever. And then the contract came through sales executive. I was like, Oh, shit, now I've got to learn how to sell cars and stuff like that. But I'm very lucky in the, in the world that I'm in, you've already sort of made your decision that you want to buy 265,000 pounds modified Lamborghini Urus. Do you know what I mean? You've already sort of know what you want. And urban split with what I do, which is new vehicle sales. And, you know, we've got to use car showroom. And those boys are always at me saying, Oh, you're just an order take car. And I am, you know, it's, I don't, I wouldn't call myself a car salesman because I say a lot of the people that come to us, they know what they're getting. They've already made their decision, you know. But yes, it's, it's, it's cool. I mean, urban is such an awesome, awesome business to work for. And I do feel really, really lucky. You seem happy. You've got a good energy and you look happy and you speak positive. And that's what it's all about. Like I watched a video yesterday and somebody was building a 10 million pound mansion and they had a shit day and they were going in. He was going to look at it. There was a little six month left to build and he was unhappy. And he was sitting in this, in this mansion watching, like I think it was these Mexican workers. They're all singing and dancing and having a laugh. And he was thinking, these guys are building my house, making fucking $10 an hour. I'm building a 10 million pound mansion. These guys are happier than me. Like, it's just the way you see things. Yeah. Everything's relative, but you also need to consider how lucky you are. And I do feel, feel really lucky. You know, I've got, I've got friends who are very, very high net worth, like a hundred million pound plus. And are they happier than me? I don't know. You know, they, their problems are their problems. You know, I mean, my problems are mine. My problems or problems are nowhere near what some people have to go through. Do you know what I mean? So you do have to sort of step back and, and what is nice is because I have come from, you know, not much money and stuff like that. Now I'm here, you know, and maybe a little bit later in life, you know, there's kids who are 21, 22 with Lambos. I'm 38. I don't get to drive them, you know, but, but then I think to myself, well, you know, seven years ago, I was in a diesel Vox, Vox always signage. I mean, there's nothing wrong with that, but being a car guy, I'm like, now I've got a brand new murky class. Do you know what I mean? And I look at, you know, I come out of the, out of work every evening. I look at that. I think I've got a brand new Mercs on 21 inch Bossons. It's all blacked out. I've got my Lenny private play. I'm like, that's the bollocks to some people. That's nothing. Do you know what I mean? But to me, I feel so, so happy. But you know, I said earlier to you, if, if Instagram and my following and everything just ended tomorrow, I'd still have all the important things in life, my wife, my house, my dog. I'd still have work. It might be a little bit more difficult because we sell so many cars through social media. But I'd still have all those important things and, and, and love with my wife and happiness. So that is, you know, that is a blessed life. Yeah, that is blessed and to show that I could to what you have and anything else that comes into your life. And it just becomes a bonus. What was the first car you sold? Range Rover SVR, brand new Range Rover SVR. And it was a, this was where I sort of suddenly realised what I'm in this shit now. So I got a phone call from a, I won't say his name, but he's a, it was like a, not a Russian accent. And he was like, I'm coming to buy that Range Rover SVR. Usually you get, I want to come and have a look at it, work out some finance, you know, stuff like that. But he was like, I'm coming to buy it. And because you, in this kind of game, you do get like a few tire kickers and stuff. I was like, yeah, cool. All right, no, sir. See you in a little while. Anyway, pulls up and you can't judge anyone. Do you know what I mean? My biggest customer has had 14 cars off me and he's a builder. He comes in a high of his jacket, rigged boots, you know, you can't judge anyone. But anyway, you always look at like trainers and watches and stuff, just to try and get a feel for it. Anyway, he's a nox on the door. I was like, oh, you're, he's like, no, no, I'm blah, blah. This is, and he opened the door for him, jumped out the back of this stretch S class. Only in his early 20s, I noticed that I think it was a Richard Mealy watch 150 grand and yeah, walked through and yeah, literally did one lap of the car, sort of looking at it is like, yeah, I'll take it and handed me his Coots debit card. I was like, like, I, you know, it takes me longer to pick a pair of trainers and he's buying a 120 grand Range Rover SVR on the debit card. I was like, okay, let me just sort out what I was scrapping about. I was like, this has never happened before. That was my first sale. Of course, we get, you know, the normal hardworking like builders and scaffolders and normal, like every day kind of people, but we have, you know, all sorts. And, and that's the thing with this job. You kind of have to be a bit of a comedian. You have to be, you know, you have to pronounce your teas if it's someone who's a bit more of a gentleman and they want to feel like they're being spoken to by a car, you know, salesman, or you can speak to someone like I'm speaking to you now, you know, I've got a lot of traveler customers, I've got Albanians, you know, I've got all the, all the boys and, you know, I'll get on with all of them, you know, you've got to be able to, but yeah, that was my first sale. And I was like, you know, coming from a white van man and not seeing much money, you know, not being around these kind of people. That was like, literally got like me or you're going into a shop and buying a pair of trainers, looking around at me, doing that with 120 grand Range Rover SVR. Mad. Mad. What's the most awkward people? The people with money and the people with less money. Less all day long. The traveler customers I've got, they come in, they've got nothing to prove. The Albanians, they've got nothing to prove. The high net worth individuals, they've got nothing to prove. They're cool. Everyone's so cool. The ones that are getting there, I'm not going to say they're rude or arrogant, but you can tell that they're just like, you know, they don't want to get there. And then for whatever reason, they can't, they don't get approved for finance. You're like, I'm really, why I'm earning enough. Try again, you know, and they've got this kind of like chip on their shoulder sort of thing. But yeah, they're a little bit more awkward to deal with, but it's nice because there is such a mix. You know, everyone thinks that we're just sending to celebrities and football players. We're not. It's normal, normal people who have done well. I'd say my biggest customer 14 car so far is a builder and he's a lovely, lovely guy. You know, but he said, you know, he's gone into main dealerships and they, you know, in these rigged boots and he's, you know, it's like the pretty woman things. I mean, big mistake, huge. I'm going to buy that. And he comes, you know, he came to us and, you know, we're just car enthusiasts. My boss Simon is incredible. You know, he just started this on his driveway. Seven years later, we've got about 60, 70,000 square foot of business, 70 old staff. We, you know, produce our own carbon fiber, you know, we've got our own carbon fiber manufacturing facility. Yeah. And it's just going one way, you know, we're taking over the game. But yeah, the type of people that come through the doors is very, very interested. And, you know, people that I wouldn't have met, you know, six, seven years ago. So, you know, I think how much my life has changed between 30, you know, the age of 30 and 40, what's it going to be like 40 to 50? And that's exciting, you know, that's why he's just got to keep pushing the limits. 100%. And the thing is, I've never, I've never been, I've never had huge aspirations. And, you know, people are probably going to hate me for this because I am in this job. And, you know, lucky prick, I mean, he's landed that. But I've never been once, right, I'm going to do this, I'm going to do that. You know, you see so much bullshit on social media nowadays, these motivational pages and these, you know, FX traders and stuff like that stood in front of a rented Lambo Louis Vuitton bag, you know, I can earn you thousands of pounds a month. All you've got to do is this, you just got to believe, dream and achieve. It's like, sometimes there's no amount of dreaming that it will get you to where you've got to be a realist as well. Do you know what I mean? And that might sound a little bit negative, a little bit down, but you've got to, you know, if you've been trying something for two, three, four, five years, and it's still not working for you, you've got to think, right, what am I doing wrong? There's got to be something else. I'm all up for, you know, positivity and confidence and stuff like that. But if you're not getting anywhere with it, you've got to sort of look and change an attitude. 100%. What's the most expensive card you've sold? Yeah, I think it was a Lamborghini Aventador, $280,000. So I've got, I mean, I've got, you know, I've got friends like Cole Hartley, who are huge, you know, they've been going, Tom Hartley's dad has been going 40, 50 years, and, you know, they sell like 3 million pounds to Bugatti's and stuff for fun. I mean, it's just madness, you know, like I went to an amazing event last week, supercar driver at Donnington Park, and, you know, I'm stood there. And when you're looking at Ferrari's and Lamborghini Aventador's and they're the norm, and then a 3.5 million pounds Bugatti Chiron just drives past you, and then you've got a Pagani and Connick's egg. And you just think, and again, these are normal, hardworking people. It's usually property or something like that. But they're just nice people, you know, you could be chatting to someone and they get into a 3 million pound hypercar, you know. So yeah, 280 grand Aventador, which, you know, that's, for some people, that's, that's nothing to me and you. It's, you know, a three-bedroom house, isn't it? It's unbelievable how much money people actually spend on cars. I always thought maybe there'd been the high-end clients that were always trying to, we're endearing trying to get money off it and trying to get it to you don't get to be a multi-millionaire without being a little bit of a, you know, you know, I've got a multi-millionaire customer who's always trying to get, you know, if he don't get money off the car, he wants a free tracker. Do you know what I mean? Or if you want, he wants to go to the mobiliser, oh, can you just paint the calipers for me? You know, they're all like, but, you know, you don't get to where you are without hustling a little bit. You know, it's business, isn't it? Yeah, exactly that. Exactly that. There's a novel we ever wear off, though, by driving any car that you want now to then thinking, shit, man, let's drive it down in a Lambo there, I've got one looking and you can hear the noise. It never gets any less special. Never gets any less special. Yeah. Not for me. Like, I must have driven 20 or 30 Lambo's and I'm good friends with the guys at Lamborghini and the Brard, they usually chuck me a demo whenever I'm up here. Every time I get in it, never gets any less special. And I'd never want it to, either. As soon as it does, I think, well, cars have been my thing all my life. If I get into a Lambo and it doesn't feel special anymore, and that, you know, I certainly don't feel sorry for multi-millionaires, but, you know, these kids who are sort of 19, 20 and they get given a Lambo, you know, and their next thing is, well, you know, I've got a friend who had an event at the door SV when he was 21 and he's got, you know, where do you go from that? Is it helicopters? Is it yachts? Do you know what I mean? Like, are you content? It's mad. I love it. I still love it. It doesn't get any less special. You know, I've driven everything. I've driven a LaFerrari, which is 2 million quid, or about 3 million quid now, Pagani Huayra. Huayra. See, even I do it called Pagani Huayra. Yeah, drove that round the corner. That's a 3.5 million pound car. It's incredible, you know? Why is that so expensive? I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. What, you know, why Gucci trainers 500 quid when they could be hundreds? And it's that designer brand thing, isn't it? It's just purely eager as well with some people with money. They just want to show off to the next door neighbour. The majority of these people don't even drive their cars. That's the thing. When you go to Dubai, you see a lot of these big properties that are just nobody's in them. No. People just buying them up. It's like the number one hide parts where I used to work in London or so interesting the property. So one hide part were these apartments by the Candy Brothers and beautiful, incredible, you know, facing the parks and stuff like that right in the centre of Mayfair or Kensington. And I think only 10% are occupied full time. And I just think like, and it's the same with Lambo's. You know, this lamb, my mate Nick who lent me this, this Lambo today, it's got like 12,000 miles on it, which for a Lambo is a lot. You know what I mean? It's not 10,000 miles, whatever. But he uses it. He enjoys it. And because I've got OCD, I'll do the same with trainers. You know, if I've got a brand new pair of white Gucci's, I'm like, I don't want to wear them. You know what I mean? What if they get scuffed? Do you know what I mean? But you've got, like, again, life's too short. Just enjoy it. Why is Lamborghini's not driven as much? Why they're not driven as much? I suppose the more you drive them, the more mileage they have, the less money they're worth. You know, and a lot of these people, they keep their car for a year or two and they want the new one, they want the next one. So the part of exchange price comes down, you know, but also they can't drive them every day. They're uncomfortable. I was even just driving in today, I was like, because it's wide, it's loud, you know, you're thinking about cyclists, everyone fucking hates you because you're driving a latin boat. It's a very, it's a very funny thing because, you know, you pull up in a petrol station and you get a 50-50 reaction, you get a nice car, mate, or you get a fucking prick. You do, but I mean, you know, with what we do at Urban, we built a Spectar Land Rover Defender. So the James Bond Spectar film is big, like, it looks like a Tonka toy. It's the bollocks, you know what I mean, big roll cage bucket seats, huge wheels, and that's completely opposite. You put it up in a petrol station and there you get everyone, like, kids want to look at it because it looks like a Tonka toy. You've got the old people because they probably recognise it from the film, but like a supercar's 50-50 and as well with a supercar, you always get someone in a seat or a beef or turbo wanting to drive up your arse and see if you're hooning it, you know, and it's just, they're hard work to drive. Awesome, but yeah, they're difficult to drive. Does anyone ever try to, like, kick the car when you're driving out or spitting out or do anything that nasty? No, no, nice to be fair. A lot of people in the town, like, they don't get that many big, but you'll get your road Range Rover, you'll get your beautiful Range Rovers, maybe a Ferrari, the odd time in Glasgow, people used to come out and eat clubs and scratch them and shit. Yeah, I know. I never understood that. I never understood that, but no touch woods. No, most people were fairly respectful, but you just don't want to get road rage in a car like that. But I know a lot of naughty people have got Lambos, you know what I mean? So if they do get road rage or if they do see someone key their car, do you know what I mean? It'll come on top for them. What's the best car you've ever drove? Do you know what? For me, it's not about the expense or the power or anything like that, you know, funny enough, it was up in Glasgow a couple of years ago when I came up here. My all-time favourite car is the Escort Cosworth, because I grew up in that. That's 12-part old skill. Mate, I mean, I grew up in that. That's my car, you know, I grew up in the Max Power generation, whereas that was the working man's Ferrari and Lamborghini. We didn't even think about Lamborghini. It's like 20 years ago, you never saw a Ferrari or a Lamborghini. When I was a kid, like going into London, if you saw a red Ferrari drive past, it was a spaceship. You never see stuff like that. Now, they've become more affordable, you know, and finance has become easier to get. You see, Lambos and Ferraris and social media has made it normal as well. But no, the Escort Cosworth, so my mate Stevie through Glasgow, he had a minute Escort Cosworth, said, come up, come through and drive it. They say never meet your heroes, didn't they? And it was, you know, we're so spoiled with modern cars. I got in it, slammed the door, the door felt like a 25-year-old Ford Escort, the gearbox was all clunky, but I still had this massive grin on my face, because it took me back to the old school, at the old garage musical. Garage never reached up here, did it? So my wife's Scottish. No, it didn't, but it's not as popular as in Manchester, London. Yeah, so garage was a big thing for me, so I put the garage tunes on, pretended I had a Berbwick baseball cap, Reebok classics, pretending I was driving down South and Seafront, that was my thing. I did drive a Lamborghini Countache as well, my mate Zach's Countache, horrible thing to drive, but again, Cannibal Run 2, you know, it's the nostalgia, do you know what I mean? But yeah, I've been lucky, I'm very lucky, I've got a lot of mates who sort of say, drive that, drive that, drive that, you enjoy that, it's brilliant. See, for the price of cars, a lot of people, if you're buying it, especially cars at 200, 300 grand, if you buy a car at 300 bags and you drive out, how much do you lose instantly? See, the car market at the moment is mad, because car prices, because manufacturing has slowed right down, used car prices and stuff have gone crazy, but say a couple of years ago, if you bought a brand new Range Rover for under a grand, as soon as you put an owner on it and you drive it out and put a couple of thousand miles on it, it's like 20, 25 grand straight away. That's not done. Fucking hell. Yeah, you put an owner on a car like that, 100 grand car, you know, but I've heard some horror stories, when you work out the mileage, you know, like Aston Martin's they're awesome, awesome cars, but if you buy one brand new, do 2,000 miles on it, you could lose like 80, 90 grand, and when you work out, it costs about 50, 60 quid a mile, so you drive to Tesco and back and you spend like, you know, you've got 800 quid in depreciation, it's hideous, but to some people, it don't matter, to some people that they just don't care. That's a lot of money to normal people, do you know what I mean? But yeah, it's, when you get to that level, if you can afford like a 200, 250 grand car, most of the time you don't care, you know, like McLaren 720s is an incredible car, the 240 grand brand new, year or two later, they're half the money, they're half priced, 120 grand, with 3, 4,000 miles on them. They must make fortunes though. It's a crazy world right, yeah. Hummers were popular back maybe 10 years ago, 15 years ago, you used to see, you've seen a few people in Glasgow driving around. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Older drug dealers, bold and bad and bright, yeah, like hummers, you know what I mean? What are some of the dimensions are there? Oh, they're like, I'm sure they're like a six or seven litre, something like that, like eight miles to the gallon, couldn't do that now at one pound, 40 a litre, or whatever it is now, one pound, 50 a litre, horrendous. How is your game plan for a sale? Is it a certain thing that you do when people come in? It's not hard to get, but you've just got to be relaxed. As soon as they think that you're trying to sell them a car, but again, a lot of my, I'd say as high as 80 to 90% of my customers that come in have already made the decision. And urban, my side of the business doesn't work like a normal car dealership where we've got 20 or 30 cars in stock, you know, a lot of mine are pre-orders, you know, because they're not building cars fast enough. So a lot of people, if they leave me a deposit, their car's coming three, four months time. It's a great problem to have, but we're so busy. So again, it's not really like hard sales. You know, a lot of the time people know what they want, and it's just order taking. And then I just have to speak them through their options, speak them through the finance process, you know, whether they want to track or what type of wheels they want. Do you want these options and stuff like that? So it's, I'm not going to say my job's easy, but it's, yeah, it's not as hard as the people were selling like 1500 quid, two grand Mondeo's and, and Vectra's and stuff like, why should I have that over that? Do you know what I mean? Well, this guy down the road who's got a two and a half grand Vectra, he said he can do it for that price compared to this because I was a bespoke product. You can't buy an urban from anyone else unless it's a used vehicle. Do you know what I mean? So they have to come to us anyway. You go to cars like you talk about escort Cosworth, Sierra Cosworth, all the old school cars that hold their prices, if not even become more expensive. Why is that the old school cars hold places but yet cars now are still just ask for offer? Because they didn't build that many. Like escort Cosworths, Sierra Cosworths, RS Turbos and of course we're talking 30, 35 years ago, so a lot of them are written off by people like me. You know, I wrote off my XR2i. Do you know what I mean with my first car? But yeah, a lot of the Cosys, you know, they were stolen as well because they were, you know, they were great getaway cars. The Sapphire Cosworth four door, get three big geese in the back, two big geese in the front, 300 brake horsepower, you're off. No police car back in the 80s was catching you up, you know. It's just from the fact that there's not that many about anymore. I mean, escort Cosworths now, you get a decent one, they're 60, 70 grand, which is twice of what they were in the mid 90s. RS 500s was the special edition three door Cosy. They only made 500 of them back in 86 or 87. A lot of them were written off. They were used for rally cars, touring cars. There's probably only about 200, 300 of them left now. And I saw one go through auction the other day for 120 grand. You could pick up a used Lamborghini Huracan for that. And it's a 30 year old Ford Sierra, just I mean. And when you speak to an old boy, and when I say old boy, like someone in their early 50s, fucking hell, me and my mate Dave used to bang and race them. Like, oh, I thought I'd just kept it. My ex got RS Turbo, you know, if I'd kept that, that'd probably be worth about 15, 20 grand now. I ended up breaking it for bits because it had a bit of rust in the floor pan. My friend used to race cars at NotKill and you're spending 30, 40 grand on just to do it up. Engine seats, getting there. What is it they call it when they get there? So when it crashes, it doesn't. Yeah, the rollcage, big rollcage. Yeah, he spent fortunes. And all he did was fucking crash. All he did was crash on his phone. But it was his baby. There was a dodgy bastard because he was spending fortunes on it. But the majority of the money he made was constrained to his cause. Yeah, yeah, of course. And it was constantly crashing, but you love not kill fucking off that. I'm a poser, James. I'm a proper poser. Like, look at me. I'm like turned up in a lamp. Oh, and I'm in all like, like Reese Yeim with bids freshly dyed. This is held together with like just for men and dreams, do you know what I mean? But I'm quite happy just posing in the car. My mate took me around Nokia and I tapped out after the fourth lap. You're in a helmet, you're sort of being frode about and stuff like that. I don't really, I'm not really bored about track days. You know what I mean? I'm just a bit, I'm just posing. I'm quite happy doing track laps around my local town centre, do you know what I mean? How is it then getting a bit of popularity on social media? Hundreds of thousands of followers sat in stand-in with your cars. A lot of big celebrities come in now. You're very well known. Like, is that secure as well? Yeah, it's nice. It's a very powerful tool, social media. We hardly sell any cars off what I trade or piss. And there's a lot of it through Instagram, social media, Facebook, YouTube now. We've got a YouTube channel now, which is showing the ins and outs of Urban. What is the YouTube channel? Urban Automotive. So the Urban Automotive YouTube channel. Me and my boss, Simon, do a weekly vlog just show what's going on. But yeah, it's, yeah, it's really good. I've got the question. What did I ask? Was it? What's it like? No, there's the social media on social media. Yeah, because we've got a big following now. You've got a lot of celebrities like, it is good that there's so many people out there. It does say social media is an illusion. It's bullshit, but it still feels good when your followers are there. It does. You see, you see, you see some of them, you see some of them are blue tick followers. You're like, oh, who's that guy? Oh, he's ex-love island. Oh, he's a broke player. You know, these people know me. Do you know what I mean? It's when you get, you know, I've got 193,000 now, most of them patch away. So if I go to a car show, people will stop me after a picture and stuff. You know, me and my wife, you know, I've been my misses for 16 years now, and I've had a social, like a fairly big social media account for six. So for her, it's weird because we were together 10 years before I even had a following. You know what I mean? So if someone stops me at a petrol station, they want to sell for you. They're like, it's just a fucking car salesman. But it's, you know, as long as you use it correctly, it's, it's an amazing tool. I mean, like I said earlier, I wouldn't be here if it wasn't for social media. And I do love it. When I was, when I was Lenny the geezer and I was doing these funny videos and I was being a little bit more out there and obnoxious and stuff, I did get a few trolls and people not like me and stuff like that, but you should expect that. Do you know what I mean? I've changed it now to Lenny.urban. It's more about the cars and it's more professional because I thought, look, no one's going to buy a 250 grand car for you if you're acting like a clown on social media. Do you know what I mean? So I had to evolve. I had to change it. I'm happy for what I did because it got me to where I am now, but I had to evolve and turn it into something a little bit more professional. Having followers is, is fantastic. But if, if Instagram just blew up tomorrow, I'd still have all the nice things in life. And that's the important thing. I do worry about the younger generation, you know, living their life and they're constantly phone in hand and, you know, you speak to a 16 or 17 year old now. I mean, we were a little bit awkward, but now they can't, you know, you get messages, you know, we go to water sports, so we, we show cars there and I can't wait to meet you. Oh, we'll have some mad bands, blah, blah. And then you meet them in real life. They're like, oh, I'm making a lot of pictures. You know, because they live their life through, through social media. But when it was Lenny the geezer, I did, yeah, I did, I did get a few trolls and people calling me out and stuff. But, you know, I'm about, I go to car, I used to go to car shows. I was always around. People could come find me. Not once did I have, you know, one person saying anything to my face. And I'm not a fighting man. Do you know what I mean? I'm, you know, I think my street fighting record is two and two. I'm not a very good fighter, but I've got a bit of, I've got, you know, a bit of pride. And if someone tells, like, calls me a name or says something to me, I'll go back at them. But Yeah, you've got to defend your corner. Of course. But the trouble is with social media. No one wins. You can't argue with someone on social media because no one wins. And what my mistake was always going back at people. Fuck off, mate. Do you know what I mean? Yeah. Who the fuck are you talking to? Oh, I said, where are you? And you're like, what are you doing? You're going mad. And you do get really aggy about it. And I just realized, if you just block that geezer, just block it and ignore it. And what I've stopped doing as well, like my Mrs is my world. Like she's my angel. Do you know what I mean? Like I love her to bits. And as far as I'm concerned, she's a 10. She's 5, 11. She's beautiful. She's, you know, she's amazing. She's my heart. People say what they want about me. If they say anything about my Mrs, fucking hell, you're in trouble, mate. I don't care who you are. Like I say, I'm not a fighting man, but I've got pride. You're having it. And I realized if I stopped posting pictures of my Mrs, you know, like me and my Mrs in a nice car, you take that out. Do you know what I mean? Like why am I showing my Mrs off anyway? To who? What am I expecting? The last one was about two years ago. Bentley gave me a GT for the weekend. So we went for a pub lunch. And like picturing the car. I'm like, who are you showing off to? And some geezer wrote, yeah, I'll do her. Straight into the air. Who the fuck do you think you are, mate? Tell me five minutes to find that where you live, you fucking little, do you know what I mean? Take her out of the equation. You don't need to show her off. She's mine anyway. Well, who are you showing her off to? I know that she's beautiful. I know that she's lovely. So just keep her to yourself. But it's sad that we need to hate certain things because people are little fuckers out there. They are old have got as the screen that they can read shit, talk shit. But I'm proud. I want to show her off and stuff. Do you know what I mean? But, you know, like through school, I was, I was hanging around with the popular kids, but I wasn't a popular kid. I was sort of an in-betweener, do you know what I mean? So, you know, and we talk about how, you know, Instagram sort of appeases you and it gives you this little bit of a boost, a little bit of confidence and stuff. You know, I've got a Facebook page that I never use, but it's just to show people that I didn't like in school that I get to drive Lambos. Look at my designer gear. Look at my Rolex mate now. You used to call me a fucking prick in school. Look at me now. That's ridiculous. I don't need to prove anything to anyone. But you kind of feel like, you know, half of you is like, I don't know what it is, but the other half is like, no, I want you to see that I'm doing, you know, I've come from this and I'm doing well now. And it shouldn't be like that. That's just part of insecurities for, from the past because even you, you are, you weren't hesitant, but you spoke for months now and you were always like, well, anybody like my story or this and that, but everybody's got a story. Cause you're actually the main me, Thomas Skinner. He's too kind of getting the same energy like, again, if he's selling me a match, if you have matches, he can sell me anything. I'm saying as you hear that, you've got the big smile, you've got a good order, you've got a good energy. I love that guy. Same as Tommy, as well as Tommy Mallet. I met Tommy a couple of times. I love to shout out to both of you guys. Yeah, but I love listening to them because, and I did, it's like, again, it's his self confidence thing. I just thought, I'm not just a chubby middle-aged car salesman. With a Mockney accent, who's going to want to listen to me? But I'm not a gangster. I'm not a drug dealer. I didn't know the craze, but maybe my story is a little bit more relatable to an 18-year-old kid who doesn't know what to do with his life. Do you know what I mean? And I did have this thing like, James, I don't want to do you justice. You're smashing it at the moment. You've had some heavy hitters on. Do you think people will like my story? Or are you going to like, but look at you, you're a genius fan. He was killing this thing. Do you know what he was doing? But it's, again, it's nice. I don't think you've had many car people on, have you? So hopefully I'll draw people, you know, to this who are into their cars and, you know, they'll hear Escobar Cosworth fucking now and see one of them for ages. Do you look at the time you, you said they've done the meme of that man, then it opens doors. Me and you put a photo up today. Yeah. Some people from my side will follow you. Yeah, absolutely. And before you know it, I could possibly, I guess it's following you. Yeah. It opens doors to other people who you're related to. Yeah. Everything's just straight business for me. Yeah. Because I could recommend so many people to you that, so Yanny, like I say, he's my older brother. I love him's bits. But his story, again, he's someone, people see him now. Yeah. At one point he had three Lambos, all color-coded, all the same. You know, he's had his watches, you know, he's done very, very, very well for himself. He used to just work like stack shelves in Marks and Spencer. And he, you know, he doesn't come from a wealthy background. He has done everything himself. But people see the end result. That's the thing. I remember when he bought his, he had an event at the West Vida he bought. And some kid put, oh, why'd you get another Lambo? Everyone's got a Lambo. He should have got a Porsche 911. I'm like, how weird is it that on social media, having a Lambo is normal. Having a Rolex watch isn't normal. Having 450 quid Valentino trainers isn't normal. But the trouble is with social media, that's the dark side of it. Is that, you know, and Tommy touched this, you know, it normalizes everything. And that's what I worry about the younger generation. And I've worked really hard for the stuff that I've got now. No one's going to give you anything, especially if you come from my background where your mum and dad don't have much money, you have to get everything yourself. It's almost as if, and it always sounds like I'm having to go out the younger generation, but it's not their fault. It's not their fault. You know, they just want everything now. You know, I'm, I'm better off than I ever have been. And I'm 38, I'm two years or 40. And I'm in a lovely position now. Do you know what I mean? Like I could fill my car up without keeping an eye on the, you know, that, that's a big thing for me back when, you know, six, seven years, guys, what's my bank account saying? I'll put 30 quid in today. I'll get paid in like a week and a half. Do you know what I mean? That should see me through. Whereas now I could fill a car up. And to me, that's, that's amazing. I could fill a car up with full tank and not watch the, you know, wait for the click. That's freedom. Yeah. To have a bit of freedom. And I will always say money doesn't make you happy, but when you're in a good place and you make money, fuck me, man, it's a beautiful thing. If you're a miserable bastard and you make money, you're going to be a hundred times worse. Yeah. If you're a good person making decent money, you enjoy life better. I've got mates who are happy. You know, they're, they're, they're brickies or scaffolders. They are a bit of dough, but they're not minted, but they're happy. I've got mates who are multimulti-millionaires. They were arguing with their missies. They, you know, they're fucking Lamborghini is broken down. You know, they're, they're, they're, they're moving into a new house. It's that stress. You know, where's the happy mediums? I mean, and, and that's the thing I say if everything ended tomorrow, you know, I've got my wife and I've got my dog and I've got a few nice bits and, and that's, that's a really blessed life. You know, and I'll realise how lucky I am, which is nice. Do you ever get anybody coming in and speaking down to you because they have got so much paper? No, no. Do you know what I think? Again, as well, most people who walk through the doors are urban kind of know who I am. Anyway, and I do put myself out there. You know, when I've got, when I've got this, when I've got this watch, this was the first thing that I treated myself to, first thing I treated myself to. And I went into the local Fraser heart and a customer of mine who had about seven or eight watches of them said, like, I'll mention my name, might get me foot in the door. I said, look, I want a Hulk, a Pepsi, a GMT or a Batman. Gave her a list of what I wanted. Nine months later, I've got a phone call, got a Batman coming in. Do you want it? 100%. I love it. I love it. Scratched about a bit of money, you know, I had about five and a half had to borrow a grand off of my, but I knew I had to have it. But that took me two years to post that, two years, because I didn't want people to think, oh, look, he's showing off. I never really post just about that. I'm really proud of that. Do you know what I mean? And every time I look at that, I think, no, that's an achievement. Do you know what I mean? But it's hard because in the, in the, you know, the game that I mean, everything's about luxury goods, you know, luxury cars, luxury watches and stuff like that. And that was never my world, never my world. But no, a lot of the, a lot of the high net worth people have come through the door. They're lovely. They're cool. I've not, you know, I've not met one person yet. I thought, oh, do you know what? You're going to be hard work. You get, you get customers that have problems. You know, we're like everyone, you know, every car has problems. So you have warranty issues, people are a little bit artsy and stuff like that. But it's, you know, you know that cars have problems the way you handle it. And we like to think that our customer service is really good. So it's less opportunity for someone to sort of shout at us and talk down at us. So urban cars, let's talk about urban cars. Yeah. What is the, what is that business? So my, my boss Simon started it with a partner on his driveway. So he was in IT before left, left that company too young to retire. So started doing up cars on his driveway. Land Rover Defenders, the old school Land Rover Defenders, the old boxy things built to sold them very quickly, saw a gap in the market, got a small unit. And then a couple of years later, Land Rover announced that they weren't making the Defender anymore. So he moved on to sports and Vogue's started with off the shelf kits from like AC Schnitzar and character a few other bits. And we branded it urban. A year later, we started designing our own, I say we lock out any involvement. I mean, it's only because I'm proud of working for urban. He started designing his own kits, carbon fiber bumpers. And we just, you know, the brand just got bigger and bigger and bigger with the health of social media. Yanny was one of the first people. And then he had like half a million, 600,000 followers. So people see Yanny in an urban Range Rover, boom. And he's, I mean, talking about networking, he has got a huge network, football as celebrities, high net worth individuals in London, all across the UK to be fair. So as soon as people started seeing that Yanny was involved with urban and Yanny liked urban cars, that's when it started going. So it's gone from Simon doing up a couple of Land Rover Defenders on his driveway to this multi-million pounds business where we've got a 40,000 square foot HQ where I am, a 20,000 square foot manufacturing facility where we build all the carbon fiber, a 10,000 square foot used car place. It's a machine. It's huge. But that wouldn't have been like that if it wasn't for the power of social media. And, you know, we, I think when we came on the scene, there was a lot of competitors that really didn't like us because they started to see that we were taking their customers. But we're not like a normal car showroom as well. I wear jeans, a t-shirt, nice pair of trainers, and or in winter hoodie. And it's a very relaxed atmosphere because we know the product we've got. We don't have to really sell it too hard. No, we don't. Yeah. And that's often, that's very old school. I'd rather, you know, if I'm speaking to Tom Skinner, like he could literally sell me anything just, you know, just with the, you know, the chat and the band are and stuff like that. I mean, like I said earlier, I'm a comedian. You know, I know when I need to pronounce my T's and I know when I can speak to that person like that. But it's just become a huge success. I don't think I've had much part of that. Maybe I've brought attention to it with the help of my social media, but my boss Simon, I love him to bits, is a genius. And again, he gave me the opportunity, you know, he was just taking on this white van man who's never sold anything before in his life and, you know, trusted me. And this is where I do need to give myself a little bit of a pat on the back because it was Yanni who helped me out of that. Yanni said to Si, look, you know, he's one of my best mates, needs an opportunity. And then it was up to me to turn that opportunity into a success. You know, now I've been given this role as new vehicle sales manager. So I've had a bit of promotion, which is nice. Thank you. Yeah, really, really happy about that. So, you know, people can, you know, give you all these opportunities, but it's up to you to be able to move forward with it. Yeah, that's important. That's why sometimes you meet this credit yourself, but everybody, there's opportunity to present themselves to so many different people, but it's actually to grasp it. You never fucked up that some young kid getting into a job like that in their 30s and then getting that driving Lamborghinis and Range Rovers. Right in a car, right off the road. Yeah, yeah, I had to be shagging birds left, right and centre because there was thumpstakes all over the room. Taking customers on and stuff like that. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I'll take you on a test drive darling. You know what I'm being like, with that mentality, I had five, 10 years ago and I would have fucked up. No other sentence than opportunity. Well, I did have to change, you know, I did have to evolve the whole Lenny and the Giza thing and it did get me in trouble on point. I did upset someone. I'm not going to go into that, but I did upset someone and I had to say sorry to them. It was a post that I put up, but yeah, you do have to be careful because there's so many eyes on you and then I realised that you can't just be a dick online. You know what I mean? There's people who still do that. They still do the funny videos and they still like, but that does have a shelf life. It really does. I had to evolve into Lenny.urban where it was more about the cars because I wouldn't have bought a car off me like four or five years ago. I was a bit of an end. I don't think I was. I was just a bit of a joker. Do you know what I mean? Yeah, but that's okay. We all cringe sometimes that we're past. I've done shit and I go, but it makes you the person who you are. That you learn from that, you grow from that. We're all young. We'll want attention. We'll want people to tell us we're doing great. That's just a mask. Yeah, yeah. That's some sort of thing that we're hot love. We do because I do take it personally sometimes. I say that I don't look at the numbers, but I sometimes do. I think, well, why didn't that post get as many likes as that? And I've noticed that they've unfollowed me. Why have they done that? Like, was it this that I said or was it this that I've done? And you do. You do take it on and no matter how old you are, who you are, whether you're a gangster, whether you are whoever, of course you take that on. Everyone just wants to... I think everyone wants to be liked. A lot of people want to be liked. Everybody does. And if you see, you don't... Like, even this whole thing makes me nervous. I'll try not to look at YouTube comments because the YouTube comments section is fucking savage. Even on the Urban Channel, people follow us and they know my face is going to be all over it, but it's still like, fucking Lenny. Do you know what I mean? Do I take that personally? Half of me is like, why don't they like me? Then the other half of me is like, fuck off. They don't fucking like themselves. So it's just not a pinch of salt. But it's people just sitting in their house, nothing much else to do but hate. But there's so many good people out there as well. There's so many people that will take things from this interview and so many different things that, if you're having a bad day, and I see you're driving up in a Lambo and you're posting about it, I'm thinking, nice guy's doing my fucking head in. Unfollow. It's not because you're doing something wrong. It's because I've had a shitty day and I don't want to see somebody living their best life. Opinions do my head in. Like, especially if I don't ask for it. But people could be so rude. Like, I'm scrolling through Instagram and if I see something I don't like, I don't feel important enough to have to tell them that I don't like it. I'll just scroll on and hope the next picture is like a picture of Lucy Pinder or something. Do you know what I mean? Or a nice car or a nice new jacket that I fancy. I'm going to stop my day and I'm going to go on that page and I'm going to tell him that I don't like that because he needs to hear that I don't like that. I've never understood that. Do you know what I mean? I'll post a picture of a customer's car that's been wrapped in funky colour. Oh, they're fucking ruined that. Hold on a minute. I didn't ask you and taste is subjective. Do you know what I mean? Your ruined is his. Oh, mate, I'm so happy. Thank you very much. I love that. That's amazing. Wrap a car, chrome rose gold. Oh, you've ruined that, mate. That's tacky, awful, blah, blah. But you don't like that. He loves it. Shut your mouth. Do you know what I mean? And that's the one thing about social media. There's a lot of people that are just so self-important. But that's the name of the game. That's where the more your following grows, the more shit that's going on. And more times that's going to happen. But again, I'll just say this, but never take criticism for someone you never take advice from. So that's the right side. Yeah, 100%. Fuck everybody. Like, it's difficult, man. Like, I see it. And then sometimes I think, I'm just loading up the gun and just start firing shots as well. Because I think, oh, do you know what? I've had enough. Fuck yous. Like, I ain't no mugman. Like, we can put them. Becoming professionals and I'm becoming a brand as well. I need to be careful. But then sometimes after I'll get fired and I need my original, what will he have? Boom. It's like 30 years without social media. Where, you know, if you have a problem with someone, you know, one of you is walking off with a runny nose. Do you know what I mean? But now, you know, people can get, you know, they've got that security of saying it behind a screen. And you've just got, and there's no amount of times that my missus tells me, just fucking enormous. Obviously, Divby is unhappy with themselves. He's still not, oh, he's still got that fire. Like I say, I'm not a fighting man. I'm not a hard man. I've had a few rounds, but I won't have anyone take the piss. Do you know what I mean? And that's the hardest thing. And especially now, because I'm a representative of Urban, you know, and I'm a proud representative of Urban and I have to represent Urban the right way. You know, I need to be seen to be doing that. But sometimes I just want to have people. Everybody's got a fight on them. Again, no one's ever said anything to me. And this isn't like a... To come and test it. Yeah, this isn't an invitation. But no one's ever said anything to my face. You know, and I've had a lot of people who've, you know, feel like they've got a problem with me, for no reason. But no one's ever said anything to me in real life. Do you know what I mean? So I think that just shows the type of people that do get aggy online. And, you know, like I said earlier, I know a lot of naughty people, like some of my customers, you know, and if I ever think of one of my, like really, really naughty customers, I can't imagine him talking shit on social media. So who's the type of person that is talking shit on social media? Do you know what I mean? But yeah, it's a very important, it's a very powerful tool if used correctly. You've had a lot of celebrities through your doors as well. You've seen a lot of celebrities, your kinder in that world now and that. Do you know what is nice? I don't know footballers. So as a kid, I was really into football. But when I started getting more into cars and girls and stuff, 17, 18 years old, I just lost the love of it. So when a footballer walks through the door, I'm like, I treat them like a normal customer. I think they probably like that as well because they don't get all, you know, the hype salesman, I let me get a picture, you know, for my mates and stuff like that. I had one guy walk through the door and he came in, I mean, he was just in for, what was he in for? I can't remember. I've set wheels or something like that. I'm chatting away, chatting away. I was like, oh, what do you do these? I'm football. I was like, oh, cool. Didn't go into it because I don't care who he plays for or anything like that. Anyway, chatting, chatting, chatting, got him really well with him. Like a good bit of banter and he left and boys came downstairs. You know who that was, didn't you? I was like, no idea, mate. He's just won the league. It's Jeffery Schluck. Right, that was when he played for Leicester, where they just won the league. I was like, oh, what a lovely fella. But that's nice. You know, we had Katie Price come in. You remember the pink ranger I wish you had? Yeah, that was us. Customers always right. Customers always right. But you've got to treat people not for what you see in the papers. And she was lovely. You know, when we went to go and pick up her car, you know, she made us a cup of tea, big hug, really friendly. She was cool. You know, Aaron Lambeau, what a polarizing character he is, do you know what I mean? And again, treat people where you find them. And he came in. He was really polite. He was cool, paid for his car straight away. Nice. I wanted to meet Tommy for a long time, Tommy Maddick, because what a guy, what a guy. And he's, you know, his podcast was one of my favorites, because listening to him and, you know, his story and using Towie as an opportunity to start, you know, his footwear company. Incredible. So when I met him, I was, I weren't gassed, but I was like, ah, Tommy, do you know what I mean? That was cool. Love Tommy, mate. Aaron as well. Got so much respect for Aaron, especially his life, what he's came from, and making the changes, creating a successful business. But the shit that he gets. He gets it. So when he came on our YouTube channel, we saw a spike, obviously, in views, when he promoted it. So that was all his followers coming to, coming to us. But, you know, all our subscribers, they're fairly nice polite people, and they say, oh, nice car, you know, fair play to the geezer. When we saw this spike of his followers, oh, fucking, look at him, fucking showing off again. But, and it was a defender. And then we got ladders on the side. I'll just put a ladder on it for him to do it. He's a booster seat. And I'm like, oh, fucking horrible people. Do you know what I mean? But again, he was, you know, in real life, cool, you know, cool fella, cool fella. It's mad that everybody's got that persona. When you meet people, everybody I meet face to face, they're always sound. Yeah. Yeah. It's weird that everybody is good, some degree in their life, everybody's got goodness everywhere. Yeah. But obviously, people change as they get older. Do you get much of it though? Do you get much? 99% love, man. Well, this is what mine has turned into. I never get it anymore, because I've made it more about the cars. And, you know, it's less about me, and if it is about me, it's not showing off, or it's just showing a little bit of, you know, picture of me and my dog. Who doesn't like a little blue staff? See, I've guessed I have on people by slaughtering like this and that. Like, I've got guessed it's different. Yeah. Like, I've had Tommy Robinson on, Jordan and D.R. See, that was an interesting listen. Yeah. People just talking shit. Remember, the guests I have on, I don't agree with the guests. I'm just there. Well, we had this conversation about, yeah, we had this conversation about Cobra Tane. Am I not of you? Yeah, we had that conversation about Cobra. Yeah. That's one of my favorite ones. I listened to it. That's the only one I've listened to twice. Brilliant. So interesting. No, he's talking about it. But I can't get, you know, I've met him once at a car event in London, him and his brother, and very, very briefly. But all the stuff about, you know, the COVID and the government power and all that, very, very interesting. Spot on. But I couldn't get on board with the women thing, you know what I mean? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. And, you know, he might call me soft, but me and Holly in our relationship are 50-50. Do you know what I mean? Like, she earns as much as me. We put all money into the thing. Maybe that, you know, in his eyes, I should be the main breadwinner and she should just be the dolly bird sat in the corner saying, yes, no, make more dinner, you know, stuff like that. But that was the only thing I couldn't get on board with. But someone like him, very, very interesting. But even if I don't agree with some of the things he says, I'm not going to go on this. Oh, what a fucking proof. Yeah. Just like... The majority of stuff he says, he was bang on. Yeah. Like, there's some religions out there that are allowed, five, six, seven waves, whatever it is. Yeah, yeah, yeah. He just does his thing, he believes in it, and you know what? He fucking runs with it 100% like there's no fault or a foam. There's some things I'm right with. What do you see? Yeah. Do I agree with that though? Because I know he's going to be a backlash or something. Then it made me question me. Yeah. You're still a pussy, James, because I'm not 100% giving my own opinion of what has beliefs up, because I'm thinking real. But you can't. No, you've got... I've got split in the fence. I've got split as in my ass to see what I think so much, especially, again, because I'm a representative of a brand, whether I agree with something or don't agree with something. You know, I'm not a religious man, you know, and I've got plenty of Muslim mates, I've got Jewish mates, and you know, and I say to them, look, you know, if that's good for you, then that's cool. It's like, you know, I see having kids is like a religion. You know, I've got... My memories have been 16 years together. We're very, very happy. We're prime candidates to have kids, but it just doesn't bother me. You know, when my mate's like, oh, mate, it's the best thing you'll ever do. You'll have to do it. It's like, well, people say that about Islam, but you know, they tell me that it's the best religion in the world, but I'm not going to turn Muslim. You know, they say it about, you know, Judaism. I'm not going to turn Jewish. You know, it's the same thing. I'm happy being me. I know what I'm about, and that's it. But yeah, the religious... The religion thing is... Yeah, that's... But everybody's definitely... Yeah. Everybody sees the world... But you just got accepted. Everybody's been raised differently. You can sit with a Christian, a Muslim, however the fuck it is. You're a product to your environment. You can sit them all around the table. Yeah. If we could have a discussion and say, how did you get into that belief? That's why I always go back to the start. Yeah, yeah. Because then it gets a better understanding. Even with Johnny Adea, yeah, he says, if I grew up a mile down the road, I'd been fined for another cause. Yeah, yeah, yeah. They've been raised into conditioning to believe that... You're a product to your environment. They think it's normal life. Like, it's just the way society is. Like, if people can just actually sit and have a discussion without people trying to foster beliefs and opinions on you others. Yeah. I don't like that shit. No. You believe that? Do you know what? Good for you, but don't force your shit on me. 100%. Because I see the world differently. Yeah, yeah. I'm not saying that everybody do or us do or that. What I do in my life is to make me feel better. And it fucking works for me. Yeah. It's an axel that can be without hurting anybody else. They're 100%. Which is important. Yeah. Because everything sometimes that you do, there's always an element. Everybody's got an agenda. Hmm. As long as I'm not hurting anyone, this is what I do. This is my belief. You either accept me or just move out. But same as Andrew, he's not really hurting anyone with his views. People might not agree with it, but he's living, you know, he's living his life, isn't he? I mean, weekend just gone, he just paid for a like 400 grand Rolls Royce on his debit card. Like, who does that? You know what I mean? But he's, you know, he thinks women are a different species. Yeah. That's fucked up. Yeah. But he's asking me questions like, do you want our female pilot and I'm thank you? And the thing is, you've got a daughter as well. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. So you've kind of, you've like pulling him back, saying older a minute, like if my daughter became a pilot, fucking right I would. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Because I'm, I'm trying to understand everyone's beliefs. Now, you look at man and people say, oh, like men are superior, this and that, but men have got a shit of lives as well. Like the majority of people in prison are men. Majority of suicides are men. Yeah. Like the majority of people who died in wars are men, but there's a lot, there's a lot of pressure on men as well. Both species, both genders, play their part in some role, whatever that is. And everybody's wanting 50-50 bands. Like, so be it. Well, we do our things that we're straight for us, and he just went fucking to my head like. But he said it with his chest, which I like. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I respected that. I don't feel I genuinely did those two certain things. I'm thinking, fuck me, do I agree with him here? Because I'm going to get absolutely slaughtered at the register and do all that. I'm just going to let him roll with her. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly. Because I asked him the question, would you do the same? Would you, would your daughter like that man, like yourself to come in? And he says, yes. But part of me, I think he's full of shit. They are like, because I asked him the question, what I did pick up on us. I asked him the question, if you ever been broken hearted. And that's what sat back and he changed his persona. So all that as well comes from him being fucking severely screwed over by a girl, in my own opinion. Like, he's just so guarded with it all. Should you have four and five birds? I said, I've had four and five birds for many, many years and I thought it was normal. But it's so much harder what? So much fucking, to try and make one get all happy is hard, but never me. Do you know what? Yeah, see, I'm a good boy. I mean, I got with Hollywood, she was 18 and I was 21. And, and, you know, from then I was completely, you know, I've never, never did anything, you know, naughty. I've, you know, completely she, she was my life. And that was it. You know, before then, I've had a few birds, but even I've never had loads of little birds everywhere. One of my mates is chaos. He's like, and I see he's getting older and older. It's from stress trying to keep three or four different birds happy. Do you know what I mean? But I just, yeah. Yeah, for me to say, I'm the same. Like I just want happen to be content and keep pushing it and raising the bar and keep doing what I'm doing. Like I want a stress free life. There's always going to be obstacles. There's always going to be pressure. There's always going to be outside noise for other people's opinions, whatever. Everybody's got an opinion nowadays. Do you find that there are a lot of unhappy, a lot of stress, a lot of angry people? Yeah. From, from looking online and seeing, you know, how people comment and how people talk to each other and stuff this and YouTube comments and stuff. There's a lot of angry people out there. There's a lot of angry youngsters out there as well. Of course. I don't know whether that is because they're seeing, you know, people like me getting to drive a Lambo and stuff. It's not even your fucking motor, mate. Why are you stood next to it posing? It's like, well, I'm showing my experiences. Do you know what I mean? I'm enjoying it. Yeah, but it's not fucking yours, mate. Do you know what I mean? And that, that jealousy thing. Do you know what I mean? And I do. But they're people peeing my wedges. Yeah. Yeah. That's why I sat back and they still watch I still make income. Yeah. That's just business for me. So that's why I bring in some of the more colourful characters as well because it makes sense because people then talk about it. Yeah. Tommy Robinson, people talk about it. Yeah. Half of Glasgow hated me for it and half of them loved me. Like, and I'm thinking, fuck me, it's just an interview. Some people still post a photo of me and Tommy Robinson doing an interview and they'll think, oh, you've had this guy. I've had fucking murderers where the same people come in, come in their pants and go, oh, he's a good guy. And I'm thinking about some of the old stories. Not half the shit. But you're not pushing his agenda. Are you just letting him tell his story? Telling stories seems everyone else. Like, everybody deserves a chance to tell their story. Listen, have your opinion, of course. But when people go ruthless to the guests, I'm thinking, that's a bit extreme. But everybody has an opinion and they pay my wages no matter what says positive, negative. You get paid anyway. I make income. Exactly. Exactly. I'm very shrewd. Yeah. I know my moves and why I'm getting certain guests and why I'm creating stories it's just, by the end of the year, everybody will know who the James English podcast is. They will know. Yeah. Because there'll be one guest all fucking, such and such was on that. They might not watch every single one, but there'll be one to go, yeah, I've heard of him. Yeah. Then I go to America, use the same tools and techniques and within three years I'll be the biggest on the planet. You will. I 100% believe you. Do you not mean that? 100% believe you will. It's not just speaking it into existence. I work harder than everyone else. Manchester last night and do yourself today. Boxing. I've got a boxing fight. Second October, fighting a kid, a Droggan O'Connor X and the beat slap. People will say, oh, move your hips when I'm put up post up. Move your hips and swing and duck down in it. And I'm thinking, who the fuck are you to tell? I'm only at the other side. I'm a professional boxer. I'm getting good dough. Dude, look that. I bought myself a punch bag and I was having a little go on it. And I said, I know a few little moves. Yeah, me. But even though I'm like, I'll put in the caps and I'll say, look, I'm no professional. I'm no amateur. I'm literally just doing this for cardio. Let me be. And I'll still get some fucking tube. I've got code saying, mate, you've got to keep your feet planted. You've got to do this. Do you know what I'm like? Mate, I'm punching a bag to get myself out of breath. Do you know what I mean? If I had a dog, I'd walk it. Do you know what I mean? It's cardio, but people always want to look like a professional and have an opinion anyway. Yeah, because every man thinks they can fight. Yeah. I found some a new level of respect for fighters. Like every man, I can handle myself on the pads, but pads don't hit back. But when you're under there, the movement, the technique, the stamina, there's so many different things. That fuck you. You see someone do 12 rounds. Unbelievable. Unbelievable. Big Tyson Fury. That's a big man doing 12 rounds, isn't it? I think he does 20, 30 rounds sparring. Really? He goes Gypsy style. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And pushes it. Yeah, I mean, I'm guilty of watching some of those, some of those like, you know, bare knuckle fights, the fair play fights on YouTube and stuff, and they can go for like an hour or two, do you know what I mean? That's what I do. So where I grew up in Sandy, that was a big, there was a big traveller community. And I lived a mile down the road from two big sites on the A1 and I went to school with a lot of them and I've always had this like draw to them. Do you know what I mean? I've always got on really well of them, but you've got to respect that with them. You know, there's a, you know, there's a bad bunch in every community and every lifestyle, but you know, I do, I do respect that, you know, they've got a problem. They, you know, two fairs, like two fair men and that shit. And they have a go, a fair go. And I love that. Of course, there's going to be some in who, you know, stab each other, shoot each other and stuff like that. But I think that's just such a nice way. Everyone, you walk over a split lip and a black eye, but it's shaking as it's done. Those travellers don't fuck about that. They don't. I know some of them. And they know that and they're all 100% like, they keep themselves to themselves. Not many people get in, but the ones who I know, they're 100% like, if I was to have a phone them, man, they'd be there in the heartbeat. They love violence though. They fucking love it. And I'm frank. As a kid, I was almost scared of them because you know, again, they had all the designer clothes they were dripping in gold. Remember the big gold keeper rings and I bought one, I bought one off one night. I had to sellotape like the back of it so it would fit me in that. But I used to, oh yeah, that's the bollocks. But yeah, so growing up in a town where you see them about, I used to be getting intimidated. But now you understand them. You know, they were sound. And they just, they would, if you had an issue, they'd help you out. You know what I mean? And I've got some good like traveller mates now and they're again, they're brand new. And they've got a lot of respect for that. I just wish that, you know, when you look at all these stab ins and all these kids getting like in London, like, you know, I don't ever wear that, you know, when I'm out and about in London, like the stab ins and the knife crime that's going on down now. I mean, I'm sure the same up here as well. It's scary. But is that kids that are, you know, they worried for themselves and they've got a knife on them and it's self, you know, they're self-defense. I don't know. It's just, well, I can't, they just have a scrap like we used to. Do you know what I mean? It's scary. And that's, yeah. Remember the people who do that, shut their knees and they're going, that's an insecurity thing. Mm. But you know, I used to buy my stone island gear from a shop in North London in Wood Green, which is quite rough, you know, and they had postcode wars down there, Totland and Wood Green and I was heading down there one Saturday and the guy who owned the shop rung me, he said, don't come, some kid's just been killed outside of view cinema. Like police were everywhere. And he was like a 15-year-old kid and it was just from him being in the wrong place at the wrong time. And that just, that's mad to me. We never had to, you know, you had a little scrap, didn't you know, you used to have the big boys, the bully people and stuff like that, but you never used to have to worry about getting killed and stuff. I'm sad. And that, going back to kids being angry nowadays, I think there's a lot of kids out there, but then I think, well, you know, if they're growing up in like a, you know, big-tower plot, you know, they've got no, you know, it's just their mum, they've got no money, you know, if they can get 1500 quid from nicking a watch, you know, but they risk, you know, two, three years in jail, jail life is probably better for them, there than where they're, where they're living, they've got no aspirations, you know, they're not thinking about driving a land boat at the weekend or anything like that. But yeah, it's a sorry state and I do worry about the future and how that's going to go, is it just going to get worse? Do you know what I mean? The younger generation, they're lost, I think. I hope not. I think social media plays a big part, but then again, you've got playstations, then again, you've got iPhones, all the major stuff on Netflix as crime. You're constantly watching people getting murdered and drugged lords. Normalizes it. I watch fucking Pablo Escobar and... You must be, you must be in a group chat where you've got that one mate who sends all the Mexicans getting beheaded and like cartels getting shot, you know, members of the cartel get some of the stuff I've seen, like... It's fucked up, mate. Yeah, it's fucked up. I don't know if it was real though, but the guy who took a photo of Maradona and he's coughing and then apparently I found dead in a bin the next day. I know, it desensitizes you from all of it, but then a lot of it is that, you know, and I watched the Danny Simpson and a lot of character he is. Danny, but fuck you. That's what he's got. He doesn't think I'm a fuck. See, I met him in London. Apparently people will try to kill on this and that, but he was just skippin' down the road. Zeal, fuck, skippin'. Yeah, see, I've got a mate of a mate who knows him and he don't care. He don't care, but that was interesting how that was stitched together. You know, he showed all that dough, the stolen dough, and then the geezer getting shot in the head who was some, like, XKGB Russian or something like that. But on WhatsApp, even I got sent here on one of my group chats, fucking hell, look at this geezer, this dodgy fucking Danny Simpson guy, stole this geezer's money and now his dad's getting shot in the back of the car, all stitched together for a WhatsApp group, do you know what I mean? But then I was like, I need to get this kid on. Yeah. As soon as it comes on, listen, I've had gasoline shot on his show, who's had 300,000 viewers. Then I've got Danny Simpson from London who's had 400,000, 500,000, that. People can see what they want. Yeah. But it's a demographic as well. I mean, your demographic is probably what, like 16 to 30, maybe? Or do you know what, man? It's fucking, it's about 16 to 75. Really? You've got a full spread? It's all over 70, 80%. It used to be 95% male, now it's been down to 75% male. Because I was considering, like, most people watched Gaza because it was Gaza, you know, people in their 40s and 50s who looked up to it, but I would have thought that, you know, Danny Simpson's a social media guy, do you know what I mean? Like, in, yeah, I mean, even I, you know, even I followed them, what a character. I mean, you was just to see what he's up to next. Because he's intrigued by the 100%. The Xenofox government mentality. Yeah. Party, just every man wants to have that mentality as well, not where you're fucking taking things off, people this and that, but do you know what? Fuck it. This is me. But then, he did take a wee break. I think he's over in Spain now, doing his thing like, because I did say to him on a podcast, like, this is all bullshit, like, because there's always something bigger than better. I know people in Glasgow used to get stabbed for a bit of hash or a bit of weed. Yeah. And he's doing hundreds of things. I can't get if he was a religious man and he thought that there was a better place to be after life. Do you know what I mean? If he thought he was going to, like, whether he was going to get 50 virgins or if he was going up to heaven, you know, that level of not giving a fuck, I'd like a little bit of it. I mean, I was, like, just a little bit nervous driving over here. Do you know what I mean? For this, that guy used to, like, don't give a fuck about anything. I can imagine that he was just another day out for him. Do you know what I mean? The people have their opinion. Like, I say, I can only judge people for when I meet them and he's a nice guy. Yeah. And it's one-on-one. The camera's off and we've got a chat and, like, a family man does his thing. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I just don't agree with the fucking like, the roller coaster of madness but that's him. I've got my, I've got mates, not like, to that level, I've got mates who don't give a fuck who've done a bit of, like, time and, you know, sold a bit and stuff like that. And they're, you know, they do live different. I worry about everything. I do. Like, for someone who probably comes across on my Instagram is, like, really confident, a bit of a wide boy, I do. I've got this, I've always got this thing in the back of my head, like, I'm thinking now, like, did I park the Lambo straight? Will it be right down in that car park? I've got to get back for this time and what am I doing tomorrow? You know, I've always got this constant worry about something, but that's just my, that's just my nature. It's, it's odd. Do you think you work, love, love on your, work on your nerves? How about? Yeah, I think it's like, I try, you know, and my missus tells me I worry about everything, everything. Like, Franco, my dog, at least half hour, 40 minutes from eating, like his dinner, we got back, we got back late. Do you reckon he'll be all right? You know, I'm always worried about something, always. Who's like that, your mum and your dad? Um, do you know what? I remember my, my mum, when she used to lock the door, she always used to have to check it, you know, three times. My dad was always a bit of a, he was a, my dad's a, he's, you know, he's one of me, he's my best pal. I love my dad's bits, he was a bit of a worryer, but I do, I think I do get it from both parents, but I've got OCD and I, you know, I check, like the locks in the house and the door and stuff like that all the time and I've got to have everything in a certain place and stuff like that, but everyone's got something, ain't they? And if having OCD and a little bit of worried, a little bit of nerves all the time, I suppose, if that's the worst that I've got, I'm fucking out, I'm lucky, aren't I? I'll keep the dog, you got. So I've got a little blue staffie. Love staffies, is there? Do you know what? I grew up with dogs, my mum and dad have always had, had Jack Russell's with me, like me like, their last one, I think my dad's got him free with a Ford Transit, he was a fucking horrible little thing, but he's, yeah, I grew up with dogs, but Franco's my first dog together. So my wife, during the lockdown, she started working from home, and now she can continue working from home, so now we were able to get a dog. That's all she ever wanted, don't want babies, just wanted a dog. And we did a lot of research on what would be the best breed for us, and you know, staffies are, you know, they're fantastic, they're just like good, they're just good starter dogs because they're so chilled, and we found a decent breeder, and yeah, I love him. You know, I was that guy though, because I'm very particular and I like my house nice and tidy, he's not coming up in the bedroom, he's not coming up in the bed. Yeah. Couple of days later. Couple of days later, I'm woken up by a lot of snotty nose next to my ear, but I wouldn't have it any other way, I love him, I love him to bits, but you know, I've got, I've got, you know, I've got this, I've got a free bedroom house, I've got my main bedroom, I've got a little office for Holly, and then, you know, so we've turned a free bedroom house into a one bedroom house, and I've got my dressing room, and I've got this whole line of clothes that I've, you know, that's my vice, I don't drink, I don't smoke, I love my clobber. But since I've got him, like I say, I wear the same stuff during the week for Urban, and then Saturday, Sunday, I'm wearing the same trackies, we've got, we've just got a dog slobber down, and the same t-shirt and stuff like that, because I know that I'm just going to be chilling with him. It's nothing better, mate. Like, you know, before I got him, it was every weekend, he's like, all right, what am I doing? What am I driving that car? I'm going to that car show where I'm going, but now I just want to chill with him. Yeah. My sister's got an American Billy, but I have to go over with the same shorts and t-shirt on, because I know the fuck I just jumped, so I'm like, you're just going to get bogging. I've always, always loved dogs, but having your own is completely, you know, it's completely different. It's fucking hard work, it's real. Yeah, it is, but do you know what? All they, you know, all they offer is love and loyalty, and all you've got to do is feed them and take them for the other walk. Like, so my, my miss is, we're into his routine, dogs are of routine, aren't they? So she'll close her laptop, she'll finish work at about half-five. I leave work at six, usually get through the door at half-six. So for that hour, he's waiting, my miss has sent me so many pictures of him just waiting by the door. He knows that routine though, he knows that dad's, dad's coming home in about an hour or so, and I pull up on my drive and I'll see his little face through the, through the window in the door. I'm like, oh my god, my heart. Do you know anything about a dog? If you need to watch, I follow my heart to you. Really? If you need to watch, I'm going to say. Will he make me cry? Yeah. Have you ever watched film up? What, what are onto films? What was that about? Maybe Pixar up. What was that about? Was that about a dog? No, it's about an old man and his, but it's old man and his wife dies and he's like, mate, you know, I like to think myself a little bit of a geezer. I was like, bitch, Pixar movies, they're not for the kids, mate. They pull on your own souls. So, I hadn't had a wee film. So, as well, I watched with my daughter at Christmas. Did you watch that last week? And even that, I was like, yeah. That's not ice, man. But actually, it was Richard here and it's about, it's a true story. It's about Husky. Aw, mate. Fuck me, man. Really? You, if you cry, but now I've got that love for a dog, do you know what I mean? That's, it's a true story. It's powerful, but fuck me, man. I was in Bits. Really? I was in Bits because I used to have a boxer. I don't know, mongrowning had a boxer and then my sister's got the American Billy. I want to get a couple of Dobermans out. Yeah. A couple of German Shepherds. Right now, I'm just too busy because I know, if I have the dogs, then I'm not going to work as much. But they have no commitment. Yeah, I'm not going to work as much. We couldn't have had him unless he was working from home, do you know what I mean? Like we couldn't have done because, you know, they do take a lot of effort and they do, they do need that attention. Yeah. He just wants to be around us. You know, even if I'm just, you know, chin up stairs or something, his paw will be on my foot. He just wants to be next to us, do you know what I mean? And I've never, yeah, it's lovely. And I know, like I said earlier, we're not that bothered about having kids, but that, he's kind of completed our little, little family now, do you know what I mean? As long as you're happy, that's the main thing. For anybody watching, what's a good investment? Is there any cars that are a good investment that hold their prices, good engines or that don't break down? Yeah, I mean, it's classic. For the working class person, for maybe it's Ben. It's classic cars. And do you know what I think, you know, it depends what kind of money you're looking at. V12 Lamborghinis, if you've got a bit of doubt, V12 Lamborghinis, because everything's going electric, everything's going electric or hybrid. From 2025, I think the Lamborghini range is going to be hybrid or electric, you know. So depending on, you know, if you've got the money at any V12 Lambo, but, you know, if you've got, you know, money for a lot of, any of the Ford models, the RSAs, the XRs, any Escorts, Sierra, I can only see them going one way. I love the forks. Yeah. The forks, I've had engines all the time. Yeah, yeah, see, that's what, that's what I wanted for my next car. I do, I do so many miles over, it's just, yeah, they're just killed in miles, but a black, blacked out Range Rover, that's, that's the one, isn't it? You know what I mean? But they're, unfortunately, Range Rovers, you know, they're not an investment. They're, they're something that, they're a luxury, something that you want, and you know that you might take a little bit of a pill on, do you know what I mean? I do worry about the car market at the moment though, because it seems to be touch wood so good, and I do worry that it's a false economy. You know, everything's just going up and up and up, and what's going to happen next year, because, you know, we've got the component shortages, you know, these semiconductors are apparently a, a factory in Malaysia had burnt down where they make these microchips for things like head-up display and sat-navs and stuff like that, so less and less new cars are getting built, which is driving up the price of used car prices. You know, if you, if you got a, we buy any car quote six months ago, chances are, it's probably the same, if not more, on any car across the board. But it depends really, I mean cars, you know, if you want them to be an investment, it's got to be something classic really, not, unless, you know, you're lucky enough to get limited edition models, you know, which most people aren't, they build them in a limited quantity, you know, that most cars are not, aren't really an investment really, you know, especially if you want to drive them and enjoy them. Yeah, do you think cars are going down the electric route? Do you think that'll be in the next 10 years or cars are going to be electric? Yeah, I do, I do. You know, driving that thing today, you know, you've got a V10 behind your head, literally 12 inches behind your head, there's no better feeling. And you know, Tesla could probably outstrip that, you know, Porsche Taycan probably, like 0-100 could probably outstrip that, but there's no drama, there's no popping and banging, there's no, you know, drama to it. And they're just, do you know what I got? I'm struggling to get on board, you know, they're fast milk floats, aren't they? Do you know what I mean? You know, growing up in the day when you put a dump valve on your RS Turbo and every time you change gear, silly noises and stuff, they're the stuff that makes you smile. You know, they're incredible cars. Porsche have done it with a Porsche Taycan because that looks like a Porsche, it looks like a supercar, it looks smart, but it's for the electric, but I don't think we've got the infrastructure at the moment. You know what? I drove up here from from Cambridge here, which is about 280 miles. I don't think there's many electric cars on the market that could have done that in one trip. I would have had to stop somewhere to charge it up until they get a little bit better, but then there's also that argument, are they green? Where's the electric coming from? You know what I mean? There's quite a famous picture where there's an electric car that's run out of charge that's, there's a truck, a diesel truck, towing a generator to charge it up. Do you know what I mean? Until we get that infrastructure, I don't know, he's going that way. We've all got to accept it, but as long as there's still a V12 Lambo knocking about and they don't get a band fully, we should be all right. What about Bentley Jeeps? Amazing. The Bentaygas, you used them as well. Yeah, we did a kit for the last Bentley Bentayga and we couldn't build them quick enough. They're incredible. So cool. So much road presence, do you know what I mean? So it was always the, you know, the SVR, the Bentley Bentayga, we do a kit for the G-Wagen as well, the G63 and the Lamborghini Urus. Now, you know, all four are so different. The Bentley Bentayga, you pull up to a golf club, somewhere nice, that's a nice luxury car. The G63 is, if you want to look like a gang star, do you know what I mean? That's got so much road presence, you know, you've got the Russians all blacked out and stuff. The Urus is like a supercar with four doors and then the Range Rover SVR, value for money, does everything so well. But yeah, the Bentley Bentayga is a cool thing. What about the G-Wagens? What should I pay, do you know what, they don't drive very nice. Everyone knows it and I'll even tell my customers, you know, they're the bollocks, you want to look like a badass, that's the car to have, do you know what I mean? One of my customers, he's got a very famous plate, GYP5Y Gypsy and he had a full Y-track G63 with that on the plate. No one's giving you road rage with that on A, a full blacked out G63 with that number plate. But yeah, they're there if you want to look like a bad geezer. See, I like Rolls Royces but I'm too young and maybe once I'm late 40s, 50s, I'm going to get a Roller. Do you know what, I don't think you are now, they've come right down, the average age of a Rolls Royce, I don't know. I've seen a Delta there, 36 grand it was and it was a fucking Delta. Are you must be from the old school? No, that was old school, I'm talking, obviously the new ones now, you're talking 200, 200, but I've seen that and I was thinking, and I was like nah, I'm not made it yet. I'm bogged the line but I think in my 40s, I'm going to have a Roller. I visualized, the Rolls Royce Wraith, which is the two door coupe, Starlight roof lining. One of my top three cars, so Escort Cosworth, Aventador SVJ, I don't know what I always do the same, I say top three, it's got to be top five. But the Rolls Royce Wraith Black Badge with a Starlight roof lining, all black on the outside, but a bright orange interior, you're saying, mate, I've driven the Wraith, the Dawn, the New Cullinan, there's nothing like driving a Rolls Royce and seeing the spirit of ecstasy in front, you just feel like a G. No noise, innit? No noise. No noise. And that's the other thing, to enjoy cars, you don't have to be going fast. Do you know what I mean? I would have just been happy driving a Rolls Royce Wraith. I used to think Rolls Royce would maybe, you need to maybe have a shore, full of stuff. Not no more, not with the Dawn and the Wraith, where they're two door and they're for the driver, mate, they're so cool. And you know, you open the door, it's a suicide door, the door opens like that. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Mate, stop it. Yeah, no, I've, I've, I've, I've... Before you buy anything next, when you, when you have made it, you're ready to buy a car, speak to me first. Whether you buy something for me, or I'll give you a little bit of advice, speak to me first. So I ain't having you buying a 35-brown Rolls Royce. I've been hesitant to, I've been hesitant to buy a car. Yeah. Because I'm always trying to promote everything's a fun shit, innit? But then again, I'm working like, fuck. Mate, you've got to trick yourself. I know, I know, I've got a lot to do. And this is, this is a conversation like, I keep going back to Yanni, because he's like... And I know it's not an investment either. Nah, like Yanni's the older brother that I always wanted. I've got an older sister I love, but we didn't have much of a relationship. Like she was into, I mean, she's, she, you know, she's a vegan. She does yoga. She works for the BBC. She's highly educated. We couldn't be any more different. I love her. She's my sister. I always wanted an older brother. Yanni's my older brother. So he always gives me advice and stuff. And, you know, I have worked hard. And he says, there's no point in working hard unless you treat yourself now and again. You've got, you know, I look down at that and I think, I worked hard for that. And that spurs me on to do more. If you buy yourself a nice car, you'll see, you'll look at that. You'll see that. And you think, right, I need to continue working hard because I need to pay for it. Or I need the next big thing. Do you know what I mean? You've got to treat yourself as well. You have to, man. I mean, I've been thinking about this all the time. It's the only thing I'm thinking. I just, I just know people in Glasgow. I think Scotland's become the number one most, more bullies in Scotland than it is in Europe. Really? I think it's like one in two. And England is one in five. Yeah, I read that last week. I don't know if that's the, I'm talking absolute push, but I think Scotland's up there. So I don't want to be driving about if people think he's forgotten myself. I have forgotten myself. Because I wanted to, I didn't like the guy I was. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I feel as if, look, you start doing well, but I'll have all the time. Isn't that shame? Isn't that shame? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Because in America, if you get your new, like, bench press record, like you just lifted 140kg of you, you've got geysers called Chad High 5 in your, yeah man, like amazing, like that. In, in England, like, oh he's obviously on the roads now. You know what I mean? I don't see how he's dealing with that. He's always in the streets. Yeah, I'll put up in a nice car. Like, you know, my neighbours don't speak to me really. I live in a small, small close, you know, and every, every other weekend, you know, like a couple of weekends, go out of 380g Rolls Royce Cullinan outside of my house. The neighbours are just like, what the fuck is he doing now? You know what I mean? But they, they haven't asked me. I'd say straight away, I'm a luxury car salesman. You might see these sort of cars on my driveway now again, but there's always an excuse, it's the fucking hell mate, you look well, you're on the gear, what are you taking? Winston, can't be a problem, what are you doing? Do you know what I mean? There's always an easy excuse, fucking hell, you've seen Dave's new motor, you've seen that? He's got a new Range Rover SVR, yeah, it's a new gear, isn't he? Yeah, I was 15 stone now, I've lost over a stone, he's on the juicer, he's on this, he's on that. I fucking just lost more weight. Yeah, it's not what you eat. Yeah, and a new exercise. Yeah, 100%. Yeah, it's always, it's always the weight. Always this need comments. That's the beat, isn't it? That's just the what? I think that's a British thing. Yeah. I think it is a British thing, we're just negative by nature, and it's a shame, do you know what I mean? Plans for the future, but I don't know what to say, plans tell me. I'm just rolling along, I'm just rolling along, like I said, I'll go back to, you know, kids message me and say, how did you get to where you are now? And I don't have the answer, because it was just this sequence of events of meeting the right people, getting an Instagram page, you know, networking, and getting to where I am now, so I'm not competitive, and I've never been like, right, I've got to set myself goals. You know, about sounding corny and cliche, I treat every day as it comes, you know, I just keep doing what I'm doing. Just try and be a little bit better every day, you know, just, you know, it does sound corny, but I'm so happy. I'm genuinely happy, like, and I think that's such a great thing, you know, I'm, you know, happy, you know, me and my wife are happy, you know, my home life's nice, you know, all the people I love, you know, touch wood are fit and healthy, you know, so I don't really think too much about the, about the future, really, you know, I mean, I'm, I'm, I think I'm content, which is, which is a great thing, which is a good thing. There's always stuff that I want to, like, little things that I want to buy, like, you know, think about my next car and stuff like that. But in terms of the future, you know, my future is out of urban, and I'm happy where I am, just, yeah, maybe just, just keep getting bigger and better, and just, you know, I'm not, the Instagram thing is nice, but I don't keep pushing for more followers. I've been stuck on 93,000 followers for about, you know, six months now. You know, I don't ever push to, you know, I know that if you do reels and stuff, apparently that Instagram pushed them out and you can, you know, that gives you more followers, but I'm not, I'm not a competitive, I don't strive to be the next thing or earn that amount of money or get this biggest house, get this nice car. And I think that is, I think that I am quite lucky in that, that I'm quite content, you know what I mean? Which is quite a boring answer really, but you know, it feels like I should be giving, feels like I should be giving you more, like, well, I've got this in place, I'm going to start this, I'm going to do this and do that, but I'm, you know, I'm, I'm content. Yeah. You've never gotten to the private playing game industry? No, no. And this, this goes back to being, you know, not competitive in, in my career either, you know what I mean? Like, I, I, you know, I couldn't imagine, and I must, I'm a soldier, I'm no entrepreneur, you know what I mean? I need instruction. You know, I've always, I've always had a boss. And you know, what I want to let, like, you know, the younger generation know there's absolutely nothing wrong with working for someone. Do you know what I mean? As long as you're happy and as long as you enjoy your job, you know, there's too much on social media, like this fake motivational bullshit that you can be anything and anyone you want. Sometimes you just can't, do you know what I mean? Like try your best and stuff, but I want to instill a little bit of reality to people. Do you know what I mean? There's a lot of multi-millionaires out there giving advice and giving, you know, this motivational stuff. It's very easy to be motivational when you're a million-hour ready. Be motivational when you're, you're homeless and you're, you know, you're trying to get there. Do you know what I mean? But, yeah, I'm happy where I am. I'm happy selling cars. I'm happy with Urban. I'm happy with my client base. I'm happy with my French friend group. And yeah, I mean, it's, this is, this is what I worry about coming onto something like this because I haven't really got much else to, you know, to report and say, do you know what I mean? Yeah, bro, but you've done well today. Like you're a good guy. You're doing your thing. You seem happy. You're just trying to make amends. You're just trying to be good, not make amends, but you're just trying to be happy as you can. Be, enjoy life and enjoy your cars and enjoy your missies. Like, that's what it's all about, really. Like, everybody's story is different, bro. There's a lot of shit going on in the world, mate. Exactly. For to be this, to be this content I'm very, very, very lucky. This is a beautiful thing to be, mate. 100%. It's a beautiful thing to be. Yeah. Would you like to finish up on anything, brother? I think we're good, mate. No, I think we're good. No, really, thanks for inviting me, mate. Pleasure, man. Keep smashing it and I look forward to seeing you in the future. Cheers, pal. Thank you, mate. Check out more of my podcasts on the right and be sure to like, share and comment your thoughts on this week's podcast. Thank you.