 Here's the single guiding principle that will help you get success in fitness for the rest of your life. You've probably heard us say this before, do the least amount of work to elicit the most amount of change. Why am I bringing this up again? Because I think we need to explain this better so that you understand why this is so important. By the way, I want to be very clear, doing the least amount of work to elicit the most amount of change is actually the way you get the most amount of change. There is no better way to do it. So follow it, whether or not you want to get fast results or you just want to be consistent, follow it. I'm actually glad you're going over this because I feel like sometimes when we say this, that people go like, oh, okay, I get it. That's the better way. But I still could do it the other way. The other way will be faster. That's right. That's how I feel like it's interpreted sometimes when we say that. They think that if you do the least amount of work to elicit the most amount of change, you're compromising faster results somehow. Like, oh, that's the easier, that's the better, healthier way. Right. But I still want to go the faster way. That's the better. I don't want to look extreme. Yeah. No, that's the way you get the best results. Bottom line. Now, why? Because you're in that adaptation sweet spot. You're not pushing recovery or what you can tolerate. It's all about adaptation. It's all about adaptation. And if you go through the rest of your life focusing on that, you're always going to train appropriately or at least you're going to get closer to appropriate than it would if you're trying to see how much you can tolerate and how much work I can handle. And that just means better strength gains, better fat loss, less joint pain, better mobility. It's the better way to approach it regardless of what your goal is if you want to get there fast, slow, or consistent. It's just better across the board. You're not compromising anything at my point by making that, you know? Yeah. It's just really mentally challenging when you think that fitness is this pursuit of all work, right? And so to be able to do a more effective job at getting better at work, you got to do more and you got to do it more intensively. And so it's just kind of like it's a really hard concept to realize that you have to work with your body, which has all these checks and balances and balancing effects to it where you have to find that sweet spot that's actually beneficial to you. Yeah. I'm still searching for like the perfect analogy in something else that's like that. Yeah. There's like things like I've used it. I've used the analogy around golf before anyone who's golfed. You think that you want to go up there and like hit swing as hard as you can to get the ball to go much further. But the irony is like backing off of that and actually swinging more properly and better connected. Well, that does work. You'll get the ball to go 10 times further. Because yeah, I mean, if you're just constantly just swinging all the time, like you're going to reinforce bad patterns, which then again, your ball might be going further away from the target. I got an example. I was just watching Cars, the movie Cars on My Son. He loves that movie, right? Yeah. Yes. No, I swear to God, this might actually be good. So the tires? I think it's part two where Lightning McQueen is like he's cocky at this point. He's winning all the time or whatever. Maybe it was part one. That was the last good movie. It was part one. It was the first one where he's just going and his pit crew is like, you got to come in and change your tires. Like, no, I'm going to keep going. He has the first one. And he blows his tire. Like if you watch NASCAR or Formula One, they have to carefully calculate and measure when to do pit stops and when not to. And you would think for someone who's not experienced, just keep going as long as you can because you'll beat everybody who's doing the pit stops. But you'll end up, you end up losing because your car gets destroyed. Yeah. So you have to be perfect. That's the point. The point is you have to be perfect with it. And what happens, especially to people who are consistent, by the way, we communicate this so often because this happens to us all the time. I'm going through it right now. As you continue to work out, you just, you'll naturally trend towards doing more and more and more. It starts to go that way. And you start to push up against what you can tolerate, not necessarily what's the most effective. I always, I hate to say it, but it always surprises me. I cut the volume down. Boom. Better results. Boom. Get leaner. Boom. And I always, oh, I have to shake my head. And why do I always do that to myself, you know? So if you keep this in the back of your mind when you're training, you're more likely to do it the right way. That's why it's such an important thing to communicate. I think it's hard. It's hard because, one, there's not a lot of other things that are like this. And then two, it really does depend on the audience or who I'm speaking to, whether I really emphasize this, right? Because there's a, there's, there's a clear divide of people in the, like, you know, trying to pursue their health and fitness journey. You have one side that just can't stay motivated, aren't consistent, afraid to push themselves, right? They're just, they hate working, they're like, they're that side. And then you have the other side that's like motivated to work out, to change themselves, or, or even borderline is in love with exercise and working out. And so if I'm talking to the group that I can't get to be consistent for one week, I'm not really worried about telling them to overreach too much because they've got plenty of room to increase intensity, volume and everything else. But if I'm talking to the average person who's highly motivated to change themselves or already borderline addicted to fitness, then that message is extremely important. I think it's where you tend to make your excuses. I think tells you a lot. Like do you, do you make excuses as to why you need to work out more or why you need to, you know, work out so often or so hard, or do you tend to make excuses as to why you need to skip workouts? That'll tell you a lot, right? If you're the person that's like, Hey, I can't make it to that party. I got to work out or Hey, you know, I know I'm on vacation, but I'm working out every day or whatever. And you're making excuses. Then you're probably the person needs to scale back a little, but if you're the one that's like, nah, I got to miss you. I'm going to miss another workout. I'm going to miss this whole week. It's not a big deal. Let me miss some more than you're probably the person needs to go a little hard. It's always that balancing act, right? Of, of the right amount, but literally it's the least amount of work to elicit the most amount of change. Um, and, uh, that I think is, I can't think of a single better guiding principle when you think of long-term success, right, besides being consistent or whatever, you know, one of the things that's helped me recently with that and I, those that have been listening to this show for, uh, you know, more than three or four years. Pre COVID, I was like the, had to go work out in the gym guy, anti workout home person. And, and you guys were always the workout home is so amazing. And I'm like, no, no, no, Jim, Jim, Jim, like no way I work at home. But once COVID hit and I was forced to work out at home, you know, I'm on my little PRX setup. I found that there was some things that I did fall in love with. And it was this piece is I, I felt like it was okay for me to go in the garage and just do one or two exercises and then go back to my day and then maybe revisit again. Or whereas in, when I would go to the gym and I, if I had to drive to the gym was like, one, I'm only going, if I know I'm going to go train. And then if I go train, I'm going to go train for at least an hour or more. I want to be in there. I don't want to waste my time with one exercise to go all the way over there. And so I think it limited, uh, my ability to do that. We're having the PRX at home. Now I have this like, Oh, okay. Well, maybe I'll just do two exercises today. Or, Oh, I should, you know, I should scale back today. Do I really want to go all the way to the gym just to do this, you know, two or three things really light? Like, Oh, I'll just skip it all together. We're now having access to the, my gym in my garage. I find myself doing a better job at these principles. So I same, but for different reasons. So when I work out with just a squat rack, a barbell dumbbells and adjustable bench, okay? Which the, the, like in here, we have two PRX setups. And what's cool about PRX is it folds into the wall. So for people that know, you can still park your car in the garage and all that stuff. But when you pull it out, it's literally the most stable squat rack that you'll find because it's attached to the wall, boom, anchors on the ground. But anyway, the reason why that encourages me to train properly is cause I don't have 85 pieces of shiny equipment that I want to go. Yeah. Cause if you think about it this way, if I gave you, if I said you can work out consistently, but you have 10 exercises to pick from, you're not going to put, you're not going to put any of these machines on there. It's going to be all the best, most effective exercises. So, I mean, for the last probably 15 years, a majority of my workouts have been done with that right there. And they've been the best workouts. And I've been working out for longer than 15 years. I've been working out since I was a kid. Those are the best workouts because it encourages me to the bangers. Yes. It encourages me to stick to the effective stuff and to pay attention to that kind of practice. Otherwise, I have like all this equipment. I want to try this. I want to try that one. You just let me try a little that and end up doing more than is necessary, which actually takes away from my progress. Yeah. I noticed a bit kind of what Adam was talking about in terms of like having the ability to just go attack one or two exercises. And then I had to get over that psychologically of like, if I stop and I interrupt my workout, like it's not doomed. Oh yeah. So it's like, everybody thinks like if something happens, like I can't be distracted. I have to have this devoted chunk of time to just be completely deliberate and focused and all that kind of stuff. And I finally allowed myself to not like keep thinking on those lines and would go do errands, would be outside doing chores or like do something else productive elsewhere, come back downstairs, you know, do another two exercises. And by the end of the day, I'm like completed a whole workout. But it's like it wasn't that like added amount of pressure that this is going to be like unusable. This is going to be like not like an effective workout that way. You know what's funny about that? I can't wait. There's limited data on this because they really haven't done a lot of studies specifically on that. OK, what you're explaining, but they will I'll make it. I'll say it right here. They will because I've experienced this. I've seen clients train like this and then Olympic athletes have trained like this for a long time or experienced this before and some power lifters, too. If you take your workout and you same workout and just split it up so it's done throughout the day. So instead of doing one one hour session, let's say you did, you know, three 20 minute sessions or two 30 minute sessions or five or six 10 minute sessions. Let's just say not only is it it's not the same. It's actually better. You'll find that you'll actually get more strength gains, more muscle, more fat loss by dividing the workout up. So for people who are hardcore, who love going to the gym, unless you live next door to the gym, it's try this out. Get yourself a home gym set up basic. You don't need a bunch of stuff and try that. Try working out throughout the day. It's very convenient, by the way, too, if you have it in your office in your garage, especially from home, try it out and you'll get better results than if you do it all at once. Now that the drawback is it's actually inconvenient for a lot of people to do it that way, because they don't have in the garage or they got to do other things. But for other people, it's more convenient. Throw all that aside. It's actually more effective. Like try it. Try doing 10 sets of squats throughout the day versus all at once. Or do your whole workout split up throughout the whole day that way. Watch what happens. It's it's remarkable. Yeah, that's you speaking. That's you speaking to the advanced person. I think there's tremendous value to for the beginner because, you know, one of the hardest things if you ever fallen off for a while, the the the mental hurdle or the motivation it takes to get to the gym because you know what that how hard that first workout is. If I if I have this ability of like, oh, I've got it in my garage. Like, oh, I don't need to make it into this daunting, real hard. Well, the first workout is going to go due to two sets of something. And that's it. And then tomorrow I'll do three sets of something. And then the next day I'll do four or five sets of something. And that ability and flexibility to be able to make that decision by having the access like that. I mean, I think that it has tremendous value for someone who's trying to. I think you would think like, oh, a home gym, you've got to be pretty hardcore into working out if you want a gym inside your house or access to that, where I think now, you know what, for a beginner, I think it's as valuable, if not more valuable for building that, you know, consistency. Yeah. You know, I had the the this is when I figured out the frequency model to back to what we're talking about in terms of like training. We're frequently with split up workouts, whatever the fastest way I ever got to doing like tons of put like pull ups, like be able to do 30 pull ups was literally doing some like some pull ups every other hour. I'd have a pull up bar and I would just jump up and do not to failure. Nothing crazy. I would just throughout the day I do a bunch of pull ups. Man, my pull up strength went it elevated so quickly is rapid strength. Like you'll never experience the same thing. Strength gains as fast as when you practice that way. And I learned it from a trainer. I had this trainer that just he bench pressed so much weight. And I thought, I didn't know that he, this is just how he worked out. I thought that he was just fooling around, but in between clients, he'd go out and do a few reps on the bench and then you train a client. And all day long, he was doing this. And I thought he did that in addition to his work. I was like, no, that's all I do, man. I mean, I think it was bench like four or five or something. Holy cow, dude. For sure. That's super crazy. All right. Today's program giveaway is maps anabolic advanced. Here's how you can enter to win. Leave a comment below this video in the first 24 hours that we drop it and subscribe to this channel. If you win, we'll let you know in the comments section. We also have a sale right now in some workout programs. We have a beginner workout program called maps starter. That's 50% off. And then we have a bundle that includes maps anabolic and maps prime. That's called the starter bundle. That's also 50% off. If you're interested, click on the link at the top of the description below. All right. Back to the show. Hey, how was your weekend? You, you, uh, bailed with us on the party. Sometimes you get, I got, we get a little overzealous with the little one. So we had, uh, a Saturday setup where we were going to go. We were going to drive from San Jose to half moon bay for my brother's son's birthday. So that we would have been up there like 10 30 in the morning, done the birthday thing there. And then from there drive down to Morgan Hill to go to Max's birthday. This is remember two little kids. Okay. Naps, all that shit, you know, we're trying to schedule it all. It's never, it just doesn't work, dude. Just tantrums already at the first party. Shit going down by the time we get in the car. I'm like, you know what, we're going home, dude. There's no way I'm going anywhere else because I'm going to end up giving these kids away to someone else. You, you missed an epic, uh, bubble. What? I want Adam to describe the bubble. All right. Just we hired, uh, so the things for his birthday, right? We did, uh, we did a taco guy. We did a snow cone machine and we had a bubbleologist that came there. What, a bubble? Yeah. Is that a real thing? No, I think it's a made up word. I'm pretty sure it's a made up word. Although she definitely made it sound like she was educated for that. Um, so we Katrina found this thing online. Uh, we were trying to find like some, some cool. Like we were originally, we were talking about having like somebody come dressed up as, uh, Bowser, knock on the door and bring like, we were like, let's do something kind of cool, uh, that the kids will get a kick out of it. And so we were like looking at all these different things. And Katrina found this bubble show. They make those giant bubbles and those look cool. They are cool. Right. And so I told her, I was like, Oh, that, that's a good idea. And the bunch of four year olds, I think they're going to be all into it. So it'd be great. And you have all these different options on like what you pay for. And we got the, the main package where you can, uh, you have a show that like a bubbleologist comes and puts on this show for the kids. And then afterwards the kids can go bananas with all the bubble stuff. Right. And so this girl gets there and have you said lady and, you know, I'm walking out to her car to help her out. And she's, I'm asking her, Oh, how long you work for the company? And she's like, Oh, actually not that long. It's huge. Like there's lots of people. I don't even know how to feel. I'm like, we say, how do you not know, you don't know anybody that works? Well, we contract, right? So it's this massive company all over like the United States. And they, they do these bubble shows everywhere. And I'm assuming, I didn't ask for this, but I'm assuming that you get some sort of a probably weekend course and you get certified to do bubbles. And now basically anybody can be a contractor and do bubbles. At least that's what it seemed like. So we get there and we get set up all in my garage. And you know that feeling when you're listening to like a, a stand-up comedian who is just bombing. And you're like, you are awkward. I mean, like, I want to step in and help. But you know, it's like, Oh, it was so, she couldn't get the bubbles to like, what? Yeah. Every, she'd bend over. Okay. So my, have you said, lady? Every time she bends over to get the bubble thing going, it would pop. She's been over again. And she's like, nervously talking about why it's happening and like making excuses for it. And, you know, originally we thought, Oh, maybe cause there's a little bit of wind coming in. So we closed the garage. So we're in the sealed garage. There's not, not a breeze anywhere. We're also, we're all getting hot and dying in the garage, watching her, unable to get a bubble going and going through like, and she's like, got her phone for her notes. So I'm like, what's next? And it was just so awkward. And these kids, they're four, right? So as soon as she would get a bubble, five minutes, man. Yeah. And not only that, but it was like, she was like trying to teach them like the, the types of these three dimensional shapes. What was the real name of it? And everything went down. I'm like, these kids don't give a shit about it. I said, like, every, every time she would actually make a bubble, the kids would be all into it. I'm like, stop talking. Just make some bubbles. And these kids are going to go insane. But instead we had to watch like this 20 minute, like just bomb session of like a presentation in a show and it was really bad. And then finally it was over and then they, and then we took the kids to the backyard and we had all those big plastic, you know, like pools and they filled up with bubble stuff. And then they had all the cool. Was awesome. Yeah. Gangbusters. And then the kids just had a ball for like the next hour they were doing their own thing and making a bubble. Just let them go dude. And that would, so that's an option. I wish we would, looking back now, so anybody who's considering doing a bubble party like we did, skip the show. Probably don't Google that. Not for adults. Okay. Bubble party. Yeah. Oh my God. Yeah. I thought, I mean, there was, you know, it's interesting though that the science around, have you guys ever, have you ever, yeah, okay. I know you have Justin. He, that's why I was extra cringe. Yeah. Dude, the way that they, the way that bubble stick together, the shapes and there's like a crazy science around bubble. So she was trying to teach that before? Yeah. She was trying to teach that to these four-year-olds about how you, the bubbles can't attach themselves together and how if you had a string here and you moved it up, it looks like it shrinks and it doesn't and I'll just, I mean, so it was like, and now if she was teaching it and it was flowing well with her making a bubble, it would be cool. But she would go on this thing where she would talk about it and then she'd go to do it, then she couldn't do it. So it was like, this is really bad right now. Just all the geometric patterns and all that, it forms and it's all, you know, based off of like the surface tension. Yeah. Yeah. So yeah, the Fibonacci sequence and all that. So it's like all, yeah. So there's lots of cool science that like you could have incorporated that. But yeah, for that crowd, like what's the point? Yeah. The highlight was when Justin got inside and she did a bubble over him and I told him I'd pay him a hundred dollars to be farted. I tried so hard because she was telling the kids. So she would do this thing, right? Where she had the kids and she would raise it over them and then she would tell them to blow. So the kids would be inside a bubble and then blow through the wall and then would make a bubble or like that. And so Justin gets out there and I say over a hundred bucks if you fart because she's behind him doing the Also, was she at the bubble too? I thought Bill Larry's just double bubble dude. All of a sudden he gets opaque. A hundred percent. That was the highlight of the 20 minute show was teasing with Justin when Justin got in there to make the bubble. And then it was like, it was an epic fail. But Max had a good time. He had a blast. He was, it was real. I was actually really proud of him. You know, I've shared before, you know, with previous birthdays, how my son just gets a little overwhelmed and we had 50 plus people at the house. I mean, it was, the house was full. It was packed and it was cracking. It was loud and it was, but he had a blast man. He did great. Yeah. I had a good time and that's so awesome. And exactly what I didn't want. Thousands of presents. So yeah. So many toys. Literally my business partners are the only ones that listen. Like everybody else in the family ignores, ignores what I ask every year. That's typical, dude. Stockpile for my son, please stockpile for my son. Just get him. I don't care if you spend $5, just fucking put some money towards his future. What about that? No toys. Can't do that. Can't do that. Hella toys. And then, and then I got like this, you know, I've got parents that didn't do much for me as a kid. So they feel like they got to overcompensate for my son. So, and they won up each other. So they're dropping like a grand four-year-old, you know what I'm saying? Of like toys and stuff with them. I'm just like, come on. Is it all, is all like age inappropriate? So a new car. My dad, my stepdad, right out back. My dad gets this basketball hoop for like 16 year olds. I'm like, you think I haven't been trying to get my son to play basketball? Like more than anybody, you know what I'm saying? Like that's all I think about. And I'm like, I can't even get him to be interested in it. And you get a full size, you know, you know, whatchamacallit that goes up and down, you know, glass backboard. Like the 10 footer. What am I going to do with this right now? At least I'm so glad wifey stepped up and was just like, uh, yeah, Larry, please leave that in the box. Don't take it because he wanted to put it together. And she's like, yeah, just leave it in the box. We'll do it later. I'm like, like 16 years later. It's if he asked for it. Yeah, we were at my brother's party earlier that day. And my family has changed so much the last few years because all like my brother, my cousins, everybody's having kids. And right now my, uh, one of my cousins, his wife is pregnant about to have one. My brother's wife is pregnant about to have one. So it's just exploding. So the parties have changed so much where they used to be just like adults and make a couple of kids. Now it's all kids like run around acting crazy. Mom's dad's chasing around. Did I count for that now and like structure it around? It's fun. It's hectic. It's great. But it's cool. It's totally different. It's totally different. It's awesome. So what led to the breakdown with the tantrum and stuff like that? Well, it just, it was, uh, it was cold because, okay. So cold over there. Bro, so the temperature difference between San Jose and Half Moon Bay, it's like I'm on another planet. Oh yeah. Yeah. It was, it was like 85 up there. It was 50 or 55 with wind. Yeah. So we're like cold. The babies can't sleep because it's two, whatever. And I'm underneath that, the heat lamp trying to help her get sleep. My two year old, you know, two year olds don't play well together. They know how to play on their own together, but not play together. They're like little dictators. Yes. So like, you know, my son gets a car, starts playing with cars. Well, now that's the car that his cousin wants and the other little boy wants. And they all start fighting over and the parents come over. You need to share. And I'm like telling them, no, no, no, it's your kids toy. You don't force them to share. But if you want to take turns, it's okay. So then my son's crying. Everybody's crying. Then I pull him aside and then he freaks out. And then I got, and then finally I like, I had to like resort to like bribing him. I'm like, Hey buddy, do you want me to, I know we didn't bring you any toys. I'm sorry. Do you want to go buy a toy? So we walked out. I walked to a store, found some toys to buy them, brought them back, but you know that helped only for a little bit. Dude, my daughter, my seven month old, trip off this, seven months old. So one of the best things that Jessica did with our two or two and a half year old was she taught him how to sign language before he could speak. And it's amazing because before a child develops the motor skills and coordination to form words, they can communicate. They still can communicate. They just use signs. So she's been doing this a little bit with Dahlia and she can sign milk to us. And we thought it was a fluke, but no, legit, she does this. Do you want milk? And she goes like this and then we give it to her and we've tested it like seven times now, which is so cool that you have a seven month old baby. This little little tiny, yeah. Yeah, this little chubby baby you think doesn't know anything. It's communicating that she's hungry. So wild. You just brought something that was funny for, it was funny at the moment for us. You guys will laugh because of this, this point you're making. We were in the jacuzzi last night or the night before last, my best friend and I were bullshit and talking sports or something like that. It's like 10 o'clock in the night. And the wives, both of our wives, went in the house to go make something to eat. And we'd been talking for like 20 minutes later and we're like, dude, I thought they were going to bring us food out there. And you can see, you know, from my back window, you can see the jacuzzi from the kitchen or what that. And so he's, he's doing, he's doing this. Oh, he's doing it? Yeah. Oh, that's the children's sign? Yeah. She totally does this. Yeah. She's signing back. Yeah. She does this. Right back in the figure. It was so funny. You have to be a dad, right? Who teaches the kids sign language to think that's funny, you know? So we started cracking up. That's hilarious. The girls were talking shit. I was like, dude, I thought they were going to come back in here. Like none of us have our phones. He's like, oh, wait, you know, I'll sign it to her. So he signed. You know what, hey, you know what's funny though? I didn't realize now I know with with the baby is that, you know, little kids, you teach them a word and they'll say it wrong. But then that's how they say it for a while. So you as a parent know what they mean when they say it. Oh, he means water. He means food. I don't know why I didn't realize this with with Araleas, but it's obvious when he was a baby, he would we teach him a sign, but then he'd do it in a weird way and we didn't understand them because I thought I didn't realize you could they would do that with sign language too. Of course. So for the longest time there was a spirited sign where my son was doing this sign where he would go like this to his mouth. He wanted water. Poor kid. I keep giving him food here. Here's some food. And he's like, yeah. And I'm like, well, keep telling me you want food. And eventually I figured it out like this poor kid's been thirsty so tired of giving water. I've been giving him food instead. But they'll do the same thing. They'll make up their own or they'll change it a little bit and you know and try to do the whole thing. So off subject, but I was just thinking about something that I wanted to ask you guys if you guys knew this or not. So we are we are battling ants right now because of the heat. So I don't know if any of you guys have got some ant stuff going on. You guys don't have pest people come? Yeah, we do. So they come actually tomorrow to come respray some of that. So yeah, we do that like quarterly or annually. It depends on how it is. And so we haven't since we've been at this place and because they come out Tuesday. But in the meantime, I didn't know some of these things. You know, like raid is not a good idea and not for like the kid reasons, but not because it's not effective with ants. Okay. So it just kills them on contact and that's it. So and also stomping. So I didn't know this. So I thought maybe you guys might and if not here's some fascinating information for you that I've found very fascinating after talking to the, you know, ant exterminator or whatever. You don't want to use spray raid because if you spray raid, they smell that chemical smell and it puts off something that it alerts the other ants and they just move the colony somewhere else in the house. Yeah, switch it over. Same thing goes for if you step on ants. Oh, they smell the chemical or something? They admit. Yeah, they admit something. So the move is to wipe them up with a wet towel and like flush them or run them down the drain or whatever like that or vacuum them up and dump them somewhere else. Oh, that's funny. We vacuum them a lot. Yeah, that's that. They say that's the move. So don't smash them and don't spray raid, which I was totally spraying raid all over my house. I don't remember what stuff. There was something too that we had found that they would actually like eat it. Yes. Take it and they would bring it back to the colony to get to the, to the queen. They're like, you're a gel. That's what Jerry suggested that she goes little gel package. She also said the hack for the killing and spraying is the spray Windex. Windex neutralizes that chemical release or whatever like that. And so she's like, the hack is the spray. So we have a sandbox in the backyard full of sand, obviously the kids play in and Ann's got into it and some bugs or whatever. And so I couldn't use poison. What am I gonna do? I can't put poison and my kids gonna go play in there. Right. So I went online and researched what to do because I didn't want to have to throw out all the sand to buy new sand. It's a big pain in the ass or whatever. So I read on there that cinnamon and peppermint oil. Peppermint oil. That it repels them. So here's what I did and it totally works. Now I have to redo it like once a week or once every other week. But if I do this, no bugs go near the sand pit. So I bought a chemical free pest deterrent which is made essentially with peppermint oil. So I spray peppermint oil around the sandbox. Then I got ground cinnamon and I mixed it with the sand. So there's ground cinnamon in there. And then I spray the peppermint oil in the sand. And if I do that, no bugs at all get in there. Don't touch it, nothing. Now if I wait like two, three weeks then eventually start getting in. But then I'd repeat it again and within a few hours the bugs leave. They don't like cinnamon or peppermint oil. It reminds me of what I would, were you, did I share that on the show or was it just us talking off air about the different plants that I said I wanted? Oh yeah. I think you mentioned off air. Did I was off air, right? So I don't think Sal heard me talking about this. So I've saw this like crazy spider that I haven't seen before at my house in my California room. And so I right away got online like some of the natural ways for me to look for this. And they actually have a list of like 10 different plants that like repel insects, spiders, all mosquitoes. Yeah. And it's all the plants that have these real potent smell lavender, basil. Yeah. I think peppermint oil was on there. There's all these types of plants that admit those like real strong potent smells. If you keep those in your house or in your insecticide. Yeah. It's a way it's a way to repel spiders and bugs. Of course humans like it. I'm going to spray this not to kill. It's like, hey, it's like weed. Weed produces like THC to protect itself from UV rays. Humans are like smoke it. This is great. Yeah. But it makes me think like that would be, I mean, and lavender and all those things are like good looking plants and they smell good. So like an idea would be to probably pot some plants around there and it'll probably even help keep that down. We do have some basil and all that kind of stuff. But yeah, we've had a real bad mosquito problem. It's been like, it was a little bit noticeable like the year before, but like this year's like they're kind of like gang bust. So do you have to have professionals come out and treat like? Well, I would assume like, so I was looking into other products. Like there was some kid, I guess some college kid that came up with this like, I don't know if it was like electric one. Electric. I saw that I saw that ad pod thing. And I was like, I wonder if that's legit or not. I was like, this is just some good marketing. But I'm willing to look at other options because it's like the mosquitoes themselves. I went all around the property and I looked at all the usual suspects with when you have like said water. Yeah, we went through and drained all that or or we would put like soap in there and other stuff to kind of like kill any larva that was in there and bleach. But yeah, so that was it. Like they're still coming. I think it's from like the local creek and like some of the areas a little further than us. What what animals eat like frogs and stuff? Frogs will eat them. So there's some of these plants. I'm going to send the list. It was 1010 plants and they and a lot and they like the lemongrass. There's a bunch of other ones that like repel mosquitoes, but all these bugs. So I'll send that over so you have that. The other thing that I've seen that helps too. This is such like a dad conversation. We talk about we blackers. I just was like, it just dawned on them right now. No, next is like, I got this shortcut, you know, to get over to like lawn care real quick or a barbecue conversation. You're like, oh my God, I'm such a loser. You guys get those shoes with those laces. Oh, I love those shoes. It's so community to talk about. So bad. But anyways, back to it for the other dads that will appreciate this conversation. You know, the other thing that actually helps Justin, it doesn't get rid of them, but I know it's a huge difference with just having air moving. So by having to put it like an oscillating fan or if I don't know if it's an enclosed air wherever you're at, but just where air is moving, it's like where the air is stale and sitting still like that. They congregate like that, whereas if you're least blowing air in that area, they won't kind of sit in that. Well, mosquitoes are a legit problem. They're not like, they carry disease for sure. So they're not, they're not like just a pest. They're a big problem. Some parts of the world, they're a major problem. Well, yeah. And now they've like created like some Frankenstein. Whatever happened to that? You brought that up on the show. They did it. Like a year ago. Unleashed them. They did it. In Florida, right? There's other places too. And I think there's like weird shit popping up. Here's where my cackles come up too, because I've heard of like some cases of malaria in Florida. Yes. And I'm like, all of a sudden. All of a sudden. That's not good. By the way, does anybody know what cackles are? What's a cackle? Does anybody know? I don't know, dogs get like this like kind of response when your hair sticks up. Yeah. I think that's what they're talking about. I don't know why. I thought it was like. Again, you'd have to fact check me, but they have to find out so many times. We lost Doug. So what's cackles? What's a cackle? I don't know how to spell that. Yeah. It's a C.A. It's not cockle. Nope. Easily mistaken. Hey, it makes your cockles go up. Holy shit. Oh, hey, it's better than Viagra. It's just defined as a harsh sound when laughing. It's a harsh sound when laughing. Yeah, or the harsh laugh resembling cry of a hen or a goose. I want to see somebody laugh like that. And this is probably wrong. It's not. Yeah. It's not like an actual thing, then. I want to see somebody who laughs with a cackle. Oh, oh, that's cackling. But put in the phrase, my cackles are up. That's different. You're thinking cackling. I know what that is. Wait, it might be a different name that's similar to that. Hackles. We're probably using it wrong. Maybe cackles. It's cackles. It's cackles. God damn it. Oh, it's cackles. We can't even do it right, Justin. I know what you meant, though. It's been a cackles this whole time. I think I said that before. Nobody's corrected me. Thank you guys. The hair is on the back of the neck and the back of the dog. The hair is on the back of the neck. Cackles. Cackles. It's a bit easy. She gets your cackles. Cackles. I think we've all been saying that for a long time. I don't think I've ever said cackles before. Neither have I. I get angry when I say the wrong thing. All right. I'm going to take a, I'm going to take us on a turn here for a second. I was listening to a podcast. You've brought this statistic up before, Adam, and I was really thinking about this and something really dawned on me. And it might be obvious to a lot of people, but it wasn't super obvious to me until I sat down and really thought about it. So you've brought this statistic up, but so you probably know the answer. What percentage of all advertising? Oh, this is crazy. It goes to pharma. Yeah. Yeah. What percentage of all advertising goes to pharma? I think it's like 80 percent. 70 percent. Oh my God. So all advertising, I was hoping that was true. All advertising money, out of all of it, 70 percent of it comes from pharmaceutical companies. Now that by itself, you kind of hear that and you go, whoa, that might, I don't know if that's a good or bad thing. I mean, they're big companies. When I think about the content that's, you know, affected by that. Well, or put it in perspective with anything else, like put it in, like match it against anything else that's advertised. Nothing is in the same universe. Here's where it gets crazy and close. This is where my brain was like, oh, shit. I didn't even think about this. Okay. Why do companies spend money on advertising to begin with? It's to influence the consumer, right? If you spend a lot of money on advertising, it's because you want to create a narrative, you want to sell your product, you want to, you basically are trying to make money by advertising your product and advertising as many, many different ways to do so, but it costs money to do so. So there's that, but here's the deal. Pharmaceuticals, consumers don't go buy pharmaceuticals. I can't go to the store and buy a prescription pharmaceutical. I can't. In fact, has anybody gone shopping for pharmaceuticals besides when you go to Mexico? No, because you have to go through your doctor. So who the hell are they advertising to? Doctors? Are they advertising to doctors on TV? Is there that many doctors where they're going to spend 70% of all advertising to advertise to doctors? No, it's just so you're aware of the name brand, so that way too, you can either ask or if the doctor brings up like, oh, I've heard of that. Not even close because that would be still be a small amount. Like when you go to the doctor and the doctor prescribes you something, nine out of 10 times you're like, well, I've heard of this other drug that also does this. Most people are like, okay, thanks, Doc. I'll go get my prescription. Yeah, we trust you, whatever. Here's why. Okay. All that money goes to a network and especially to a news network. If you're a pharma company, and you're giving Fox or CNN or NBC 70% of their revenue. Yeah, yeah. They're not going to share any of the bad stories about your shit. You have influence. Exactly. One, this is entirely because if you're a company, why would you spend money to advertise? It's a way for them to lobby. 100%. If you were a company trying to advertise and you're not even getting consumers through your advertising because they have to go through several gatekeepers like with pharmaceutical drugs. That makes way more sense. The whole point, the whole reason why they do this is because now we are funding NBC or CBS or CNN or Fox or whatever three letter Aquanim News Network. We control the narrative. You control them and they are not. Even indirectly, even if you don't have any backdoor handshake, it's like, listen, this is 70% of our revenue stream advertising-wise. We are not going to put that story out that that whatever said drug just killed that, you know, little girl or whatever with that would be an awful headline. How do we allow this? Like every other country knows that that would be the case. There's only like New Zealand's the only other country that even allows pharmaceuticals to advertise. Here's the deal. I'm usually against regulations against stuff like that. But in this case, here's why I may I would support it. It's confident of interest. Well, it just it doesn't make sense. You're advertising to who? Your consumer has to go through their doctors. Now you guys want to spend money talking to doctors in hospitals. That's fine. But wouldn't be on television or the internet and stuff like that. But it doesn't make any sense unless the goal, which makes perfect sense. Is to simply have influence over these networks. So when a journalist wants to go on an investigative report on this reports on these drugs or vaccines or you name it then the network may be like, Hey, why don't you not do that? Because they pay like everybody's salary or probably not a good idea. Or you lost your job. Shame everyone who's skeptical. Dude, I was thinking about this a lot. And I was like, Holy shit. That's the only reason like who the hell buys pharmaceutical prescription drugs as a consumer. You have to go through your doctor. Your doctor gives it to you. And I've never done that. I've personally never done that. If a doctor prescribes me something, I'm not like, Well, there's this other. I never either. I heard about this other drug. You always forget the name. That's why. I don't know how many times I've seen like a psoriasis commercial. And I'm like, Oh, I'd ask my doctor about it. And by the time I get to them, I never remember. By the way, they're running out of names to make up. If you notice that, like a lot of these drugs. It's just like, man, the most like, I feel like they just have like one of those apps that just randomly grabs like a few different letters and smashes them. Yeah. But even then, like, I think I've done it a couple times where I'll ask the doctor, Hey, I've heard about this, whatever. And the doctor will say, Well, actually, this is better because whatever. And I'm going to, you know, you're the doctor. So, okay. You know, I kind of believe you or whatever. So it's 100% to have influence over these networks. And this is why today, the largest lawsuits ever paid out were done by pharmaceutical companies who knowingly put out drugs that they knew were killing people for other reasons. And they, and they know, and this is what they had to pay out billions of dollars for. And they continue to do this shit. Well, is it crazy? What's the, isn't the third largest killer too? Yeah. Doctors? Pharmaceuticals. Pharmaceuticals. Yeah. Use, prescription. Not often. Yeah. Yeah. That's what I mean. That's what I mean. Prescribe drugs. That's what I meant. That's what I meant. Right. So that's the third largest, right? Yeah. That's right. That's crazy. I know. Cancer, heart attacks, and then yeah, again, it's the counter to that is these like clastational lawsuits which can take a long time to kind of build up. And what happens if you're, here's why this is important for people listening right now. If you have, like, let's say you have a million people all using a particular medication. And let's say it's a, let's say it's a heart medic, I'm just gonna make up a scenario. It's a heart, it's for, you know, for cholesterol or to improve your blood lipids or whatever. And you notice that your eyesight is kind of getting worse. Just some random thing. You may not connect it to the drug. You're getting older. This is kind of weird. My eyesight's getting worse. It's like, this doesn't make any sense. But now imagine if that's you and you're watching a news channel and the news channel is like doing investigative reporting. Hey, all these people who are taking this drug are reporting this very strange symptom. Well now, you're gonna connect the dots and people can start connecting the dots and things get figured out much sooner before it, like a class action lawsuit or something crazy. Would need to happen. But that wouldn't happen because these companies, these networks are reluctant to even pursue these stories because that's how they make their money. That's it. I know, dude. I was tripping. I wonder how many times they're funding just like that. I wonder how many times too it's like a bit of a double-edged sword too, though, even for the pharmaceutical company. Like now they've, now they're in bed with this network and now they are, they better keep paying because if they don't pay and then as a network you might decide to start telling all those stories. So it's like it's a game. Once we, once we, once we shake, we shake on this deal that we're going to be pumping this much money. It's like we're in bed with you for, for the long haul because I easily could do that. Like, oh, you advertise for a year from, oh, now that we're not advertising anymore, we're going to tell stories all about, oh, your shit for the last year or so. It's a game, dude. But 70% is a lot. Oh, when I saw that, I saw that. And I bet you it's more for news networks. That's 70% total. But I bet if you go to news networks it's closer to 80%. What was the stat that I just share with you guys that Dr. Cabral shared? Oh, the glyphosate. That was crazy to me. Oh, man. What was it, 87% of children you're in tested had glyphosates in it? Yes, dude. It was over, I think it was over 80%. I believe it was 80%. It's everywhere, man. I know. You know, it sucks about that. 87% right here. Glyphosate was found in 87% of children tested. They tested like 600 something random kids or whatever like that and 87%. Now you can reduce your exposure by eating only organic foods and stuff, but the problem is that this glyphosate, this is what they spray on GMOs, right? So pervasive though, yeah. It's water soluble. So some of it gets back in the air and then rains down. Yeah. And so you'll see it. You know, this is why when you buy organic foods or supplements, you don't just want them to be organic. You also want them to be tested to be glyphosate residue free. Did you guys see that? That level. Did you guys see that that laser tractor for pests? I did. So how does that work? Dude, I was watching a video on it real briefly before we had started. It's just lasers. I don't know who posted about it. I can't remember. Let's have some detective sensor detect. Because how would it like to you know, delineate what the creature, yeah, the movement or the movement or something or maybe the shape of something? Maybe the laser itself is not hot enough or something to kill the plant, but it does. But a bug? It does kill the bugs. I mean, I don't know how the video I saw. Kill critters or just kill bugs? I think it was bugs. Yeah. I think it's bugs. I don't think it does like, I don't know if it does pest like rodents or something. That would be wild. That would make sense. There's no way I could kill a laser that kills a rodent, but it doesn't kill a plant. Hey, how cool would that be if you had a robot laser killing like rats and shit in your property? Well, I imagine it's a healthier way to mitigate the pest. So it'd be interesting to see what. Yeah. I'd love it if it worked. Yeah. Because you could minimize chemical. Maybe Doug, you could look that up laser. Is it pesticide? Yeah, I do pesticide. Laser pest for, you know, crop laser pest crop removal. I'd say something like that. Just see how I did see the video though. It looked pretty rad. Yeah. It was just driving over the plants and just zapping everything. I know. I didn't know if that was like a manufacturing. You don't know anything's real anymore, right? It's like, I watch a video now and like I always pump my brakes before I get to sound like, well, this could be totally manufactured. Who knows if it's even a real video. Oh, no. Is this crap? Just like going to space. Yeah, that is real. That's very real. I could have swore. Listen. Oh God, we're not going to go off the tangent. I had to throw a jab in there. I promise this won't last longer than 30 seconds, okay? We have it recorded. I'm almost positive you said trips to the moon. Not just space. I did say that. What I said was that they already had that going on. Like I made the bet about space, but wouldn't I? I thought the bet was to moon. No. Yeah. There was it? No, because I brought up a story that it was. We haven't recorded it. We can find it. I thought the bet was people will make trips to the moon. To the moon. Before a robot washes dishes. Not just space. Anyway, we'll find out. It's fine. I know. Everybody's rolling their eyes right now. Not again. All right, we're done. We just want to repeat that. Did you find it, Doug? There's stuff here. I'm just trying to find the exact thing that you're referencing. Do you know who posted it? I don't remember who it was at that post. You shared it. Someone shared it. Anyway, let's talk real quick about something that's gone viral. Did you guys see this whole thing with Jonah Hill and his ex-girlfriend? No. Yeah, no. I haven't seen this. Okay, so it's just so... I don't know, man. This is kind of weird. Okay, so Jonah Hill's ex-girlfriend posts a bunch of tweets that Jonah Hill sent her and she said he was... He did emotional abuse to her. He was a narcissist, like a narcissistic sociopath, and she posted the tweets between them, okay? Now, here's a deal. Read them. That's what it was, a narcissistic misogynist. That's what she called it. Okay, now I read the tweets and I'm like, uh, they don't sound... Like they sound kind of like fine. They sound okay. Now, I don't know the relationship. There could be a lot of stuff going on. But basically, he said to her like... So she posts... She's a surfer. She posts pictures of herself surfing and this and that. And he says, he goes, I respect your love of surfing, but I respect myself as well. And your love of surfing and being in those situations, a lack of awareness, are not mutually exclusive. This isn't me. I have my own issues. I own. If you want marriage and family, you can't use the 25 card. Step up and cut shit. These people don't get your time or your kindness or the sacrifice of mine. And then he gives her like, look, this is what I want. He goes, this is plain and simple. If you need to be able to surf with men, boundary lists, inappropriate friendships with men, to model, to post pictures of yourself in a bathing suit, to post sexual pictures, friendships with women who are in unstable places and from your wild recent past beyond getting a lunch or coffee, I am not the right partner for you. If these things bring you to a place of happiness, I support it and there will be no hard feelings, but these are my boundaries for romantic partnership. That's what he texted her. And that's what she posted. As she posted that... Tactic. You know what's bad is that she posed that as toxic and bad and it's not bad at all, right? And that's like, we might have to break up type of conversation. It seems pretty respectful. He's just establishing, yeah, what he's looking for. Okay, now I imagine communicating well what he's... Now the argument... Is part of why this went viral, is it because it is not bad and everybody's lighting this grill up? No, there's arguments on both sides. Wow. So some people are like, so he met her when she was the surfer posting pictures of herself in her bathing suit and stuff. And he went into her DMs and flirted with her. Sure. And so people are like, what a hypocrite. He liked her then, but not now. And I'm like, well, hold on a second. He liked the single girl doing that stuff, but if they're going to get serious and get married, now you act... It doesn't work in a relationship. That's very... That's totally reasonable. Like, there's a way you act when you're single and whatever. And then there's a way that you act when you're with a partner. So to me, that's still reasonable. I don't know. People were saying it's controlling, but I'm like... It's not controlling if you give the option. Yeah. So I don't know, man. He's just basically saying, I'm out if you don't want to do it that way. Yeah. It's so... How is that controlling? I don't know, man. I mean, I don't know. That's what you get for fucking around with a 25-year-old, too. How old is he? He's our age. Isn't he our age? I think so. Yeah. Do we do... What are you doing with a 25-year-old, dude? Come on. She's like, he's so controlling. He's a narcissistic misogynist. Now, we don't know behind the scenes. He may be really clever with that, but based on those texts, I was like, why are people trying to... We're just basing it off of that. It's weird. It's weird how people are mad about that kind of stuff. Did you see... I saw a little video and clip, but I didn't see any response from the internet. I saw Trump was at the UFC fight, and I saw the infamous handshake that he did with him, where it looks like he's trying to get Joe to bring... Because Joe's refused to put Trump on the show, right? Did he? I think so. Yeah, I think so. I thought I heard that Trump has wanted to get on his show for a long time, and... I think initially, he was entertaining the idea of it, and then, yeah, I've heard him say he doesn't really want to do that as far as I've heard. I don't think he... To me, I would be the most viewed show of all time. He doesn't... Joe doesn't care, though, right? He's already an Oprah of podcasting or whatever. I think that it would be great to hear a debate, open podcast form, like with him and Biden or him and whoever's gonna run. Like, I think that would be interesting and shit, and then mediated by Joe. That would be awesome, but just giving Trump the platform for an hour and a half. I mean, I don't know. If it's long form like that, you have to get through all of your one-liners and all of your propaganda. So if you're an anti-Trump guy, you should be pro that, because then you should be able to... Yeah, talk your way through everything. Hopefully you'll be able to poke holes in all of it, but I actually think it would work in Trump's favor. I still stand by my theory. I think that he's the best chance the Democrats have at winning, and they really want Trump to win the primary, and they've resurrected him as such. They want him to run. I can see that. Because he will win the primary because he's got such a strong base. He is very unlikely to win in general because people hate him so much. So many people hate him. So I think that they want him. That's what I think. I think they want him to win the primary. So at what point, Sal, do we see... We're not that far away. So at what point will we hear the official who's all running? A lot of people wait till... I didn't realize they wait this long. Yeah, they do, because if you're the front runner now... Yeah, you've explained this. You get attacked early. They come after you right away. Yeah, like DeSantis was way up high, but because he was way up high and people knew he was going to run, they've been attacking him. He's fallen quite a bit. So if you look at presidential elections, the initial leaders tend to fall off as the election. That's why there's that what they call the October surprise right before the election, where they drop a bomb and there's not enough time to counter it and influence it. It's all about timing. They've spent billions of dollars on perfecting the manipulating tactic. Wow. Well, just seeing... You showed me that one campaign video DeSantis put out. That one was powerful. That was really powerful. I was like, wow. I didn't watch it. I should watch it. It was all tug on the emotions of people. It was about pistol bombs. Are they coming for your kids type of deal? Oh my God. It was like fire. I'm like, that is crazy. That is effective political. It's very effective. Really? Yeah. Oh, interesting. Yeah. Did you just happen to watch it on TV or did you see it? No, it was trending on Twitter. Yeah, and I watched it and I listened to it. I'm like, ooh, if you can rally moms, whole you're done because they are the organizers. You get moms to really, really... I would imagine they're probably a big base of the voting too, I would think. They are, but it's more about... If you can rally moms together about their kids. They get together and they pick it. They influence the whole family. They'll organize. They will organize. Yes. Exactly. You don't fuck with the ones out on the street. That's the base that'll crush you. What do you guys say? Are you guys paying attention right now? The threads versus Twitter? Are you guys watching this? No. I mean, I know they had like so many... Bro, they had like record downloads. Oh, millions, yeah. Oh, yeah. I think it was like 17 million, like instantly. No, they were maybe more than... Last time I checked there were 50 million or something. Yeah, something huge. Well, see, look it up for us, Doug, right now. I think they're at 100 million. Yeah, now here's the thing though. Yeah, now here's the thing though. Because it was a one-click thing from Instagram? Yeah. Yeah, that's... But the proof will be in the repeated usage. And that... Did you see Elon? Have you seen Elon's tweets? Bro, I didn't think I could like him anymore. Tell me that one was real. In regards to what I'm talking about or something else. The Zuck is it. The Zuck is it. The Zuck is it. Wow. Did he really tweet that? Because I laughed for a while. Well, now he's just building up the fight, right? So 100 million sign-ups in the first week. That is insane. Bro, did you hear what I said though? Elon literally tweeted Zuck is it. I mean, at this point... Who does that, bro? Well, I mean, it goes back to what we talked about before. And I'm like, this is all self-promotion, right? That's what this is all about right now. You have two guys that are battling... Now they're actually literally battling companies. Like heads up. Right, it's a direct shot. Threads is literally a almost a carbon copy of Twitter, which I actually heard there's some lawsuits involved. I'm sure there is. So it's like it is a direct shot across the bow at Twitter. And so I'm really interested to see what this does. I mean, that's got to be pretty threatening for Elon to see them come out with a product that is that closely... Because your casual user, they're not going to move from that platform that they use probably the most. So to have that as an option, I could see... I mean, there's power in that for sure. I've already posted on threads more than I posted on Twitter. And I've had my Twitter account for I don't even know how long, right? And it's just... It is nice because we obviously were unique. Like we're mostly on Instagram. And so I'm already on that platform. And it's an easy connection and it speaks to threads easily so I can bounce back and forth. So I don't know, man. Well, so they already said... I like Twitter, but yeah. Yeah, I'm scrolling through his tweets because there's somebody who calls him Lizard Boy and like he would touch shit about fraud. He knows how to talk shit is why I like so much. Yeah, it's so funny, dude. Okay, so threads already said that they're going to focus more on culture and popular culture, what's happening in media. And they're going to down, whatever they call it, down-regulate or reduce the visibility of political and serious... So they're going to censor. So they're trying to make it like entertaining fun Twitter. Whereas Twitter is still the place where you're going to go be controversial, say what you want type of deal. That's they're purposely doing that. Yeah. I mean, so what do you think? Do you think that's a smart strategy? I think it's a pretty smart strategy. I think it's a smart strategy. I do think it's interesting how I feel like... I don't know, this is obviously not enough, this is true, but Zuckerberg did say, and it has been revealed that the government did have some influence over Metta and what they did. I feel like he's their little butt, their little boy. And they're telling him, like, we got to take out Elon. Let's do this. Let's do that. Yeah, yeah. You know, type of deal and make a copycat. And then, you know, we got to crush them now. And then we'll protect you? Yeah. It would be wild to see what happens with these losses. Because didn't they have, didn't they like recruit a bunch of like Twitter people over and they had all these, they had all these like personal stuff? 20 engineers made threads in nine months. Nine months, they boom, spit it out and it's ready to go. I know, it's crazy what they can do now. I mean, I like it. I mean, I'm not a fan of Zuck and I like Elon better. But as far as the platform is concerned, I like the threads platform right now. I do. I just like that. It's more like what? I haven't used it. It's just like Twitter. It really, it's not that much different, but the fact that I use Instagram so much in a communication. Is it easy? Oh. Now, our friend, Brett, right? Johnson was talking about that it's really, it's like he thinks it's going to cannibalize Instagram. Because it's basically, you're not really getting new people to do anything. You're just kind of moving them from one. You keep shifting them, yeah. Yeah, you're just moving them from one platform to another of the same, for the same company. So it's not really like growing the business anymore. So it'll be interesting to see what it does for meta in general. And like. What's happened to their stock? Has it gone, it has to have gone up since all of this. I haven't looked at it. I haven't looked at the stock more. Actually, because a hundred million, I mean, that's, that's pretty. Well, isn't, wasn't real supposed to be the competitor to like TikTok, right? I mean, in a sense. And is that taking any business away from TikTok? So I think, okay. So Gary V talked about this and I thought this was an interesting point. He said like, and this was like directed towards YouTube, Facebook, all these companies. Like what this, he said, what this highlights to him more than anything else, because that was back when it had only 70 million. Now it's over a hundred million. It's like, that these massive platforms with these massive audiences have an opportunity to have market share in all of these. Like, why, like may as well just have it. Like YouTube should have a reels, a Twitter and a, like an Instagram type of, of that. Cause if there's people that just subscribe. Yeah, they kind of do. They have YouTube shorts or basically TikTok. And so I think that's, his point was, you know, everybody should, I mean, that's what this should teach you as a company is that, listen, it's like you, if you have a built-in audience that big, there's no reason for you not to have all those. Yeah. The stock is way up. Oh wow. It's definitely way up. Yeah. That's pretty cool. Hey, I'm going to, again, take into the turn here, little update on the Peptide BPC157 and the KPV that I've been trying for, for the health. Oh, you're taking the pill form, right? Pill form for gut health. And I know, I am definitely noticing some positive effects. And I found, and I looked up more studies. Do you know that they're studying it for anti ulcer potency and for CNS disorders like multiple sclerosis because of its connection to the gut? Wow. Yes. Pretty wild. BPC also does this, up regulates receptors for growth hormone in your connective tissue. So it literally, that's one of the ways it accelerates healing in some of those hard to heal areas because it up regulates the receptors for growth hormone attaches. Pretty wild. It's really crazy stuff, man. Yeah. Like the potential of BPC like, and it's healing effect all over the body. I mean, there's just so many applications for it. But I have been using it pretty consistently now for maybe four weeks. And it was kind of the slow, gradual process. But my gut is like, way more resilient right now. And I'm pretty sure it's from that. Yeah. I've been on it for maybe three weeks. So, and I have noticed a better response in terms of how my gut's been reacting. It was like really volatile for a while. Yeah. Yeah. And I was getting it tested with Cabral's team and everything. And so it was like, I'm still like working through that process of trying to like carve back at the overgrowth. Yeah. Speaking of gut health and stuff. So, Paleo Valley's bone broth, I've talked about their chocolate, how it tastes good and how I can take it super often. It doesn't affect my digestion because it's easy to digest. So, I've been doing this thing now where I'll do with every meal, I'll have a scoop or two of the bone broth, just as a way to boost my protein. And it's such an easy way to boost protein. And I notice no negative. So literally with every meal, I'll have one or two scoops of it. And it boom, instantly adds 15 to 20 grams of protein to every meal. And I'm like, what an easy way for people to boost their protein, rather than taking it separately. Just right over your rice and meat. No, I don't just put it on it. I just pour it on there. Gross. No, just every meal because it's so easy to mix. So thin too. It's so thin, easy to mix. It tastes super good. And just drink it with your meal right afterwards. And it, you've just bolstered, you know, your meal with another, like I said, 15 to 25 grams of protein. I see so many people posting about that now. I swear to God. It tastes so good. You got so many people on that. It tastes good. It's the best date. You tried it, right? Yeah. Finally. Yeah. It's good. Am I wrong? Am I wrong? No, you're right. I told you. No, it's fine. All right. All right. Shout out today. I just, since I just mentioned his name, I may as well shout out because I actually, since we've met, you know, we get to meet so many people with the interviews and stuff like that. And I bring up every once in a while when I meet somebody who I really like and I stay in contact with. And Brett Johnson. So if you do not follow Shalene Johnson's husband, he is fucking a riot. He's super smart. He drops a lot of like financial stuff. So I love that he taught. He openly shares a lot about their business, how they make money, how he invests money. And he's hilarious, sarcastic as shit. He's a cool guy. Like he's been a great follow. So if you're not following Brett, make sure you follow him. And I think it's just his full name all together. So I'll look up the handle so you have it dug for our notes. Organify makes organic supplements to improve your health, wellness, and athletic performance. One of my favorites is peak power. This is a natural pre-workout formula with natural caffeine. And other botanicals give you balanced, strong, hyper energy. It's phenomenal. I love it before my lifts. And I also like taking it before creative endeavors. I don't get the same crash I get with other pre-workouts. But it's also strong. It just feel like you're on fire. It's awesome. Go check them out. Check out some of their other products as well. Go to organifi.com. That's O-R-G-A-N-I-F-I dot com forward slash mine pump, use the code mine pump and get 20% off. All right. Back to the show. Our first caller is Bria from Canada. Hi, Bria. How can we help you? Hi. First off, there's nothing. Thank you for answering my question. It's been a pleasure listening to you guys. And it's really, it's really nice to hear men actually be men and how you talk about like your relationships and your parenting and then on top of that, all the same stuff. So just wanted to say thank you. Oh, thank you. And so my question is to do with reverse dieting. So a little bit of background. I've been working out mostly strength training for like 15 years. But I've never actually done a reverse diet. I've definitely done diet. But I typically eat carnivore. So like 90% meat. So my question is, how do you reverse diet if you're mostly eating meat? Like I'm, I'm like 90% meat and dairy. And then like 10% periphery, which is just like pickles and sauces really. So I don't know where to go from here in order to reverse diet. Do I add carbs? Do I just eat more of what I'm already eating? So just looking for your take on that. Can I ask, can I ask first why, why the mostly carnivore diet? I feel best on it. It's easy. It's easy. It's so easy for me. I like, I've done three phases. Like I typically eat low carb in general. Like even when I'm not eating more so carnivore. And like I think low carbs would be like less than 100. If I'm just kind of intuitively eating, not tracking and just, you know, not avoiding carbs. But recently, like around April, I was like, okay, I'm listening to these guys. I'm going to focus on protein and water. That's it. And then I kind of naturally just fell back into eating a carnivore type diet. Suggestion wise, it feels good. I don't have to think. So if I'm tracking and cutting or maintaining whatever, it's easy, but then it's also easy to eat on the go and eat meat and everything's good. So you don't, you don't have like a reaction or anything to rice or sweet potato or yams or things like that. You just have gravitated towards the carnivore diet. Yeah, like I don't, I don't typically eat gluten or like any kind of processed carbs. But no, it's still no, no adverse reaction. Well, you said, you said you feel best. I want to dive into this a little bit because it's a pretty extreme diet. Okay, the one that you're describing. And you said you feel best. So I want to dive into that a little bit because there are people that feel best on a carnivore diet, but oftentimes, if not all the time, there's an underlying root cause that's going on that's not being addressed. So what do you mean by you feel the best? And you mentioned digestion. What are you talking about? So I went, I didn't heal for a while, but I found when I ate veggies, I was getting bloated. I felt like mostly bloated and just like digestive distress. When I, like if I eat processed carbs, I feel like heavier bloated. Yeah, like that's, that's kind of, I do take probiotics because I do obviously have gut issues. But yeah, like I don't, I don't have any bloat or anything like that when I'm eating this way. Have you ever been tested for any dysbiosis testing, like looking for things like SIBO or SIVA? Okay. No, I've never had any gut testing. I think that you need to because, so here's what happens when somebody like you feels bloat or digestive distress from eating some carbohydrates, okay, or starches, they tend to feed certain types of bacteria and not eating them will make you feel better if you have, let's say bacterial overgrowth or some dysbiosis, but you're not solving, you're not really solving the problem. You're kind of moving around the problem. And although you feel best this way, the best you would feel would be if you would address the root issue. Like if you have SIBO, what you're doing right now would be a band-aid. I did this for years myself until I was able to address the root issue. So you do feel better than you would if you didn't treat the SIBO anyway, carbohydrates, but you would feel best in all aspects, including athletic performance, if you were to treat the underlying root issue. So I think it's, I think the, it would be super valuable for you to see a functional medicine practitioner and get some gut testing to see what the root issue is. I mean, when I say super valuable, I mean life-changing valuable in terms of strength, performance, energy, hormones, skin, hair, everything. It would really be life-changing. That being said, okay, that being said, all reverse diets ultimately look the same. What you're doing is you're increasing calories over time. Now, should it be proteins, fats, carbs? Well, if you're not hitting the ideal protein targets for muscle building, which is around a gram of protein per pound of body weight, then I would tell somebody to focus on protein. Eating the way you are, you're probably eating beyond that. So you could just eat more of what you're eating to do a reverse diet, but I can't stress this enough. Work with a functional medicine practitioner and get some gut testing because something's going on. There's a reason why you experience some of the distress that you experience when you eat carbohydrates or starches. And if you don't address that, it's just always going to kind of be there. By the way, over time, even on a carnivore diet, even not necessarily feeding those bacteria, it often continues to get worse. And what you may find, and this is oftentimes what people find, is their diet gets more and more restrictive. So somebody goes keto, then they go mostly carnivore, then they go purely carnivore, then they can't even put pepper on their steak anymore, and it's just salt and meat. And then at some point, they even experience issues there. Yeah. I would add a couple of things too. So one, yes, you could just increase your calories through more meat. That's really hard to do. One of the reasons why I abandoned keto diet a couple of years ago was I was trying to actually do a bulk, which is in the same thing as reverse dieting, right? I'm trying to add calories and build. And I just couldn't do it. I couldn't keep up with the calorie intake that I needed to do, which was great for dieting and staying lean. So I found the value probably the same way that you did. So for reverse dieting purposes, I thought it was really, really difficult to do that. So I'm not a big fan of trying to do that through carnivore diet. The other thing is, and I agree with Salek, going through the testing is just something you should do. I think everybody should do that. I think people feel good should do that. I think it's just a good baseline to see where you're at. So I think there's tremendous value in that. I also have had a lot of successful clients being able to still do things like rice and sweet potato and yams and foods like that. Staying away from maybe the starchy foods that are higher glycemic index or sugary foods like those types of things I see disrupt or cause more problems. So that's also an option is to try and reverse and add those types of carbohydrates. But again, I think we're all probably going to say the same thing that it's worth getting tested to get the root cause of what's going on. Yeah. Are you in our functional medicine or health forum on Facebook? No, I'm not in anything. I just have a couple of programs. Okay. So it's a free forum. The name of it is MP holistic. MP holistic health. It's a group go on there. You can ask questions. There's functional medicine practitioners that answer questions for free. And then if you find that you want to work with one, which I think would be very, very valuable. I can't stress this enough. Then work with them. This is Dr. Cabral's team and it'll be life changing. It'll be absolutely life changing to be able to eat a wider variety of food and to realize the benefits of them. I mean, athletic performance alone will explode because you'll be able to eat and assimilate these types of foods. And again, if you don't figure out what the root issue is, what'll happen over time is you're going to find that you're going to have to restrict more and more. And more of the foods that you eat become foods that you can't eat. And that's not necessarily a sustainable path. Yeah. Getting closer to a real diagnosis in terms of why you're reacting the way you are, I think it'll just give you that knowledge base so that way when you get to those ruts and those plateaus, because right now it feels good to just stick with meat. And I can totally identify and understand and relate with that. But to be able to, again, add calories, that's a really difficult place if you're just going to stick with meat as your base for all of that. So, yeah, to get that specific information is going to be really helpful. Yeah. Okay. That's definitely something I'm going to do. All right. Perfect. Do it. And then follow up with us because I'll be very interested to see what the results are. But I suspect that there's some dysbiosis going on that's just going untreated. Yeah, I like that. All right. Well, thanks for calling in. Okay. Thank you. Appreciate it. All right. When the look of, oh man, that's not what I wanted to do. Just add cheese. It's great. Yeah. You should have done that. To get compliment. You know, the old way of handling gut issues, and I was a part of this, was avoid the foods that bother you. Okay. And then you have this list of foods that bother you. And then what happens is, oh, it looks like these foods now start to bother you. And over time, it's like, oh my God, I have like five foods left. Oh no, and I have three foods left. What the hell is going on? And when I finally treated myself for SIBO, it was like a light bulb. Like, oh my God, like this whole time. There was an issue there that I was just, you know, kind of putting a band-aid over. And again, once you solve it, you solve it. That's the thing you can solve it. Oftentimes you could solve the issue. Well, it's like she found her first answer, right? Like this is where I feel good right now, you know? But, and so it's like hard to, I guess, pursue other means in terms of like coming back to incorporating other foods in there, because this is like kind of like the safe place now. So, you know, it's going to take some work to, you know, really figure out and diagnose like what's going on. But once you do, it's just like, then I just feel like at that point now, you can, you can bring back sort of the balance. Yeah. I think once you get to a point where she starts to notice the foods that make her feel uncomfortable and the foods that make her feel good, I think that's still important information. Then you go solve it. Like you're saying. So the thing that I see that happens a lot to people is even the people that go and solve it, then they reintroduce those things that caused it from the beginning, and then, and they feel okay the first few times. And they overdo it. And then they overdo it, and then it's, they're back there again. And then what they end up doing is like, oh, that didn't work for me. Yeah, I know. I have to stay here. No, here's, a rule of thumb is this, is having one or two foods that bother you, there's somewhat normal, a whole category of a macronutrient that bothers you, not normal. So it's like, I can't eat carbohydrates. Okay, something's going on here. I can't eat any fruit. I can't eat any vegetables. Like, okay, something's going on here. But if it's like, oh, bread bothers me, but I can eat rice and okay, well, you know, and it might be something in the bread. It might be a bit more reasonable. That's right. That's right. So if that's you, and you're noticing like, like just entire categories of foods and macronutrients, or if it continues to pile up that you find over time, more and more foods going that I can't eat this list, then there may be an underlying cause. Yeah, unless you have some real clinical diagnosis, that's right. I have to stay here, then that's different. So our next caller is Whitney from Canada. And she also has a young companion here. Hi, Whitney. How can we help you? Hi, guys. This is Charlotte with me. Hi, Charlotte. Hi, Charlotte. Yeah, how you doing? Almost about seven years, and she's nine. So that means since she's been two. Yes. I want to know real quick, Charlotte, who's your favorite host? Is it Justin, Adam, or me? Oh, that means she is smart. She's making an answer. Politically correct. Wow, you're smart. Yeah. Doug's the favorite. The winner. All right, turn off the camera. All right, sorry. Go ahead, Whitney. OK, so I wrote down my question. So you guys have it, but I'll read it through here. Basically, I have been following your program for about the past two, three years now, anywhere from starter, anywhere, anabolic performance, strong, power lift, all of those. I've run them all the way through. And right now, just given life factors, being crazy, busy, and trying to manage stress and whatnot, I find that I don't have that much time in the gym. So I haven't got 15. But what I've been doing is taking, say, anabolic and turning it into like a seven day a week program where sometimes I'm just going in. And if it's only squats I can do, that's all that I'm doing. But I'm being really consistent. And to be entirely honest, I am like a five by five girl. I don't love the high reps. I hate it, actually. I just can't get into it. But I didn't take the program because you always say to go through the program all the way through first. And then I've made modifications. But I'll get through a couple phases, say in one program. And then I'm like, I really want to jump into phase two of performance. And then from that, I'll want to jump into power lift. And back and forth, is it OK for me to be doing that? Do you have any suggestions? Should I just bite the bullet? And 15 is the way that I should be going. Or my ultimate goals are leaning out a little bit more. And I'd like to chase my old strength goals. That would be just like in the back of my mind a fun type of thing to do. Awesome, awesome. Whitney, don't jump from program to program. Extremely dangerous. I'm just kidding. There's absolutely nothing wrong with what you're doing. You're doing great. You're so consistent. You've been following our programs for a while. It sounds like you know your body pretty well. I can see that you're obviously fit. There's nothing wrong with that. Following a program fully is probably ideal. And I say probably because there's a lot of individual variants from person to person. You've been working out for so long. If you're pretty in touch with your body, you know what works for you, then you're probably going to train yourself better than our programs that are written for a general audience. Now that being said, I want to ask you about the higher reps because you hear this from people for two different reasons. One, they just don't like higher reps because of the way they feel. Or two, they tend to feel more exhausted and overtrained with the higher reps. So I want to ask you which one of those is you. Is it because it's just not as fun or do you find that they tend to be more exhausting and fatiguing overall? Oh, that's a good question. I think I'm going to say exhausting and fatiguing. And usually when I was in those phases of the programs, that's when I was just like, if stress is running high, I feel like it's too much. I'm in the higher reps. I love. I live for a good five by three or five by five. Your intuition is very good. So high reps stresses the body more than low reps do. Now low reps tend to can stress the joints and the central nervous system, depending how strong the person is. But higher reps, if you look at the total volume, which is sets times reps times weight, if I did 30 reps with 135 pounds, that's more volume than one rep with 500 pounds. And it definitely exhausts the body and fatigues the body more. So I have a suggestion for you, if that's the case, cut the volume in half when you go into those higher rep phases. So when you get into phase three of MAPS Antibolic, instead of doing three sets of an exercise, do one and see how you feel. And you may find that your body starts to respond phenomenally to the higher reps again. It's just you had to calculate. You had to basically account for the total volume. And I don't necessarily talk about this because most people aren't as in tune with their body as you are. You haven't worked out as consistently as you. And then people just avoid it because I don't like it. And that's when I encourage people to push through and try it out. But your intuition is right. So if you go into another high rep phase, cut the volume in half, and then see how you feel, and you just may find that you start to see the benefit from those phases again. So a couple things for me. One, we'll have Doug send over MAPS 15 so you have it. I think that just so you get the structure. Yeah, just so you have it. I think you have some value to go through that. Two, you're in a place right now that I was always trying to get my clients to. So you're doing incredible, right? And so anything that I think we say right now, take a little bit with a grain of salt because I think that it's what you're doing, learning to balance it out, listen to your body, splitting up anabolic, nothing's wrong with that. Like you're also a mom, you're also an entrepreneur. You've found incredible balance. And so we're kind of nitpicking here to try and give some advice. But I think where you're at is a phenomenal place. And really when it comes to leaning out and getting in more shape as far as body fat percentage, that's going to come from diet. What you're doing training wise, whether you're running our Maps 15 or you're kind of bouncing around like you're currently doing right now, that's, you're going to be fine. Like that's totally fine where you're going. It's all going to be in how you diet. Now there is some value in choosing maybe a program of ours that is really different than what you would normally do. So like in and leaning into, Oh, I don't ever train like a, you know, like the strongman competitor. I've never done like a powerlifting, you know, you know, circuit or whatever. Like, so if you haven't done things like that, there is some value to that because it's a being a novel stimulus. So you might see faster results, but all in all, I think you're doing incredible with the way you're training. Yeah. I mean, that's where my brain goes too. It's like you, you found that sort of sweet spot in terms of like doing more of the five by five, five by three kind of protocol. And I'm definitely can relate and have the same type of love for that type of training. However, I try to challenge myself still. So that way, you know, I can respond a little bit differently and give my body a new stimulus. So something like two, in terms of like volume and not being too stressful, like more on the body weight side, more on the, you know, rubber band side might be a good option for that to build volume and, you know, get some conditioning there and some muscle endurance. So just, you know, consider that in terms of like something to kind of weave in and out of to come back and give your body kind of a new stimulus. Wendy, I want to talk about the getting leaner just for a second. Do you know, do you have a general idea of what your body fat percentage is? No, I'm going to guess high 20s. I'm five foot one and I'm down to 134 from 140. But I know, I know that I'm not, I lost a lot of muscle mass over the past couple of years. I was super addicted to exercise and a competitive cross fitter for a while. Then switched that went hardcore in the yoga direction and kind of broke up with cross fit. And then now back at the gym, but I'm really having to start and then had a couple surgeries and things go on since then. So I've had to really start at square one. So I know that I'm on a higher body fat percentage because my strength is nowhere what it used to be. So there's two ways you can approach this. And one way I think is a lot better. First off, you look healthy to me. You look like you're going to put a good body weight at your height. The fact that you lift weights, you're probably in the mid 20s. I say you don't look high 20s to me. No, you're probably in the mid 20s, I would guess mid to lower. Yeah, which is a great place to be because it's a very healthy fit place to be. There's two ways you can approach this. You mentioned you're not a strong, you lost some muscle. One way is to get leaner by cutting calories. The other way is to get leaner by building muscle. Remember, body fat percentage is a percentage of your overall body mass, your overall body weight. So if like right now, if I were to snap my fingers and put five pounds of muscle on you, but you kept your total body fat pounds the same, you're now leaner. I think that's a better approach. I really do. I think if you're tracking and you have an idea of where your calories are, your protein intake is, if you're hitting your protein targets, I would reverse diet you and just try to get stronger and throw your scale away. Take your scale and stop weighing yourself. I think that's a no brainer. That's the way to do it. Since you meant, now that you gave us that information that you are not as strong as what you were, that's the beautiful part about that is the body remembers that. So to get back there will be a lot easier than to just try to cut calories and lean out body fat percentage that way. So it would be way more advantageous for you just to reverse diet and go get strong. And you're going to see the change in the physique that you probably want. So I think that's a no brainer piece of advice. Yeah. And that's ideal because I am a stress not eater. So I need to be focusing on my diet because if it's a stressful time, then I just forget to eat. I'm not the other way around, right? So I have been trying to focus on always bringing good quality protein choices and veggies and increasing because I know that my calories are also playing a factor in me being able to build the strength too. Well, here, start with this. If you're not doing this already with breakfast, lunch, and dinner, eat 40 grams of protein with each meal. So and eat that first. So figure out what 40 grams looks like and make that with breakfast lunch. That'll give you at least 120 grams of protein a day, which is going to hit your protein targets. And let's start there and then just try to get stronger. And don't weigh yourself. Don't worry about the scale. Look, I've known many women at 5'1 to weigh 10 to 12 pounds heavier than you who were shredded because of the muscle and the size looked great and all that stuff. So your body weight, I wouldn't even worry about that. I would look at strength, hit those protein targets. Let's see if we can get your calories up. Much better approach than trying to cut your calories to try to get leaner. And your programming that you're doing is fine. Yeah. Especially since that you have the self-awareness that you would probably tend to stick in five by five. So as long as you interrupt that, you know, by bouncing out of it for a while, then coming back, you're going to be fine. Yeah. Thank you. You got it. How's that? We're good. She got any questions? Yeah. Thank you. That question is a little gymnast this one. So she's benching, squatting, overhead pressing, and all those things all right. Wow. Awesome. Good job, Charlotte. That's a great hand of the curve. Good job, Charlotte. Thank you so much, Whitney, for calling us. Thank you guys. I really appreciate it. You enjoy your day. Thank you. Have a good day. Bye. I love questions like that. I love moms like that. Yeah. Doing a great job, you know, with everything. She obviously has a relationship with exercise that can go in the negative. She's experienced that before. She recognized that it was great. Yeah, exactly. But I hope women listening really understood what I said with the other approach to getting leaner. It's a better approach. If she gained muscle and got leaner, it would be much more sustainable. She'd have a better hormone profile. She'd be stronger. She'd have more energy than if she just tried to drop weight and get leaner in that way. It's a much, much better approach. It's a healthier, more sustainable. And forget the scale because people get hung up on the scale, especially women. If you looked at her with more muscle and leaner versus just lighter and leaner, the more muscle leaner looks better. It just looks better. It's when the scale shows up, it's when people freak out, so. Well, when she made that point that she was weaker, that was like. Yeah, that's what I knew. That was like a, that became a no brainer piece of advice. Our next caller is Michael from Sweden. Michael, what's happening? How can we help you? Hey, guys. Thanks for taking my call. And thanks for your content. I started listening to you guys a couple of months ago. I always had a hard time finding like trainers here in Sweden. So I really enjoy listening to you because you really seem to know what you're talking about. Thank you. All right. Mostly Justin and I, but yeah. I'll just jump straight into my question. Okay. If that's all right. I listened a lot to you guys. And sometimes you mentioned this about burnout, burning out. And I actually had that happen to me and like two months ago that I had a pretty bad burnout. From doing way too much, like working out too much, working too much and having kids, you know, the whole life situation. So I was wondering how you guys would recommend someone like me to get back to training and also maybe how to balance life better to not risk the burning out again. We wrote a program just for this. Well, before we get into that, Michael, I'm reading your question. And if you don't mind, I'm going to kind of talk a little bit about the details because there's, you know, there's burnout over training and then there's what you experienced. So in your note, you said that you got so bad that you couldn't even stand for shorter durations because your body felt completely spent from high stress and over training. And then you found out from some doctor appointments that you were burnt out. So let's talk about this for a second. What did the doctor appointments test and what did they show? They did a lot of tests because I had a lot of like inflammation in my chest. So they thought it was something more serious, but it turned out it wasn't. Thankfully, they just did like blood works and all that. And they said that you're fine, but you're you're burned out. You need to start listening to your body and not to do so much as I am doing. Okay. And you say inflammation in your chest. Was this heart inflammation or was it the chest cavity? No, the chest muscles, the muscles. Okay. And did you get inflammatory markers tested? I don't know. I'm not sure about that. Okay. Because, well, let's talk about what got you here because this is a very extreme, this would be a very extreme level of burnout. I mean, this sounds like- Potentially. I mean, it also depends on how- Well, I mean, what does it look like? This could be Rabdo, you know, I don't know what they tested, right? Yeah, but they would have said something like that. Not necessarily. That's why I'm asking what the test showed. They might not have looked for it. Because sometimes what doctor, I don't know if I'm not saying this is what your doctor did, but sometimes what doctors do is they don't know. So they just say, oh, you're just overtrained. Yeah, what this sounds like to me, and correct me if I'm wrong, sounds like you went to the doctor because you probably felt so fatigued and burnt out, and they ran a bunch of blood work, a bunch of tests on you. Notice that your chest was probably really inflamed, probably from overtraining like crazy, and told you you need to calm down. Is that what happened? Yeah, basically. Okay, but what led to this? Because this is not- This is not- Yeah, well, one of those like I'm pretty high achiever, if you know what to say, that I pushed myself really hard. I guess I don't listen so much to my body because I follow all this mentality that you should be trained even if you're tired, or you know, the whole David Cawkins thing. Oh, David Cawkins. But that didn't work out for me, like it does for him. What did your workouts look like? What did you do? Yeah. How was your sleep, and what was the rest of your life stress? I need more details. Usually, I do an upper lower split with where I do the compound movements, and I add some secondary, like where I think I need more work, like if I'm a week in Denise, or stuff like that, and then I do that three times a day a week, I mean, and then I maybe run twice a week, and then I work like nine to five, and then when I usually have lost to do at home as well because I like to help out with everything. Okay. So, yeah. So, this, from what you're explaining and how you felt and the kind of inflammation you felt and the fact that you couldn't stand, I'm going to recommend that you get more testing and go see a specialist. How do you feel now, by the way? Now I've been, I stopped training and started to rest a lot, so now I'm pretty much back on my feet again. Do you feel back to my right? Is back on my feet feel good or is that just back on your feet? Yeah, like how's your sleep? Do you feel normal? Is libido okay? Appetite? Energy's still there. Like 90% back, I would say. Okay, so we'll talk about the exercise, and then I still think you should go see, because you might have experienced rhabdo, where the muscle damage gets so bad that it overwhelms your body's ability to get rid of waste by products could also be something else that's going on. So what you're experiencing, what you explained in your note, I've never seen with somebody, except for someone who goes and literally destroys themselves for hours and hours and hours. Yeah, triathlete or crossbow. Yeah, they have some theories because I also have tried before that I had some extremely high stress in my life from, because I also have my own company, and then I had some bad stuff happen, and then I also, I had a cold that they thought might be COVID, and then maybe I had this what they call post-COVID, and then I went to the gym and did deadlifts, and after that it was there. Gotcha. Okay, so I definitely want you to go see a specialist. I want you to test your inflammatory markers, look at your kidney function, your liver function, and a hormone profile. Then with exercise, I mean, this is going to sound very general, but less is better and slow is better. I think a program like Maps 15 would be an appropriate way to start. And if you don't have that, we'll send that to you. And it's literally 15 minutes every day. And I think that would be an appropriate place to start. You'll still get stronger. You should still see results, but I wouldn't be satisfied without further testing. I'm still not satisfied with what you're explaining. You know, Michael, you've only been listening for a couple of months, so maybe you haven't heard me say this on the podcast before, but the goal is to do the least amount possible to elicit the most amount of change. And that's really hard for people to wrap their brain around that because it's different in almost every other aspect of your life. Your business and education, the harder you work, the more results you get. With fitness, with body composition change, losing body fat, building muscle, it is not like that. And in fact, a better strategy for not only faster results but long-term results is approaching the gym as I'm going to do as little as I can to elicit change. And all you have to do to elicit change is a little more than what you did last week. If you were doing nothing last week, then a set of squats will elicit change. So think like that. Approach your training like that. The goal is to go in there and actually not, this is the reason I love David Goggins because I think he's a great motivator and things like that. But there's a reason why we haven't brought him on the show and interviewed him because we think it's the opposite message that we're constantly trying to teach our people is that it's not about suffering. Yes, there's this, there is a mental thing for people that are in very special. Mental strength is a different category. Yeah. But somebody who's trying to be healthy and fit, it's a terrible approach for health and fitness. And so as much as I like the guy, I don't like the messaging for our health and fitness community because I come from a total opposite camp, which is what I said to you, which is doing as little as possible to elicit the most amount of change. And so that needs to be your mindset as you approach this. Mass 15, I think, was written with that kind of thought process is going in there, doing two exercises a day, you know, a compound lift, two compound lifts, and then getting out of the gym, not trying to crush it, just slowly build on that. Yeah. But we'll send you Mass 15. That'll give you the program. And then if you need more specifics with testing, I would look at C-reactive protein. I would look at A1C. I would look at kidney filtration, liver function. I would look at creatinine levels in the blood. And if a functional medicine practitioner might be someone good to find, if you can't find one there, we have a free forum on Facebook called MP Holistic Health. And you can just join it. It's free. And there's functional medicine practitioners that are much more qualified than I am to that could direct you for further testing. But I think that's a good idea, Michael, because what you're explaining is not typical and it's not even typical of people that are over-trained. So there's something else or there was something else going on. And I think it's important to look deeper. Yeah, Doug's going to send you the Mass 15 program. And then I'd love to see you in our private forum also. So you can kind of keep up, let us know what's going on so we can probably even better advise you as we find out more information from the doctors. Yeah, thanks a lot. I also have that, like I have a really hard time from what you're saying, to know when it's okay to rest a lot. I usually choose to push myself rather than rest. So that's like the balance I think it's really hard to find. Just remember what I said to you. It's different than almost everything else in your life. It's not the more work, the harder you go, the more results you get. I know that's how it is in almost every other aspect of our life. It's the right amount. Yeah. And the right amount for every person is very unique and different. And if you have a high stress job and you get a lot on your plate, you have to be even less than a normal person. This is where programming really helps with that, to be able to find that right dose. To follow it to the T, don't second guess it, just trust the process, see what it does for you first. I think you just need to believe what it can do for you first. Yeah. Yeah, great advice. Thanks, guys. You got it. All right, Michael. Stay in touch, brother. Thanks for calling in. Yeah, thanks a lot. I hope you see somebody. I don't like the explanation. It's alarming for sure. Yeah, I mean, okay. And I was on point. I worked, I lifted weights three days a week and did and ran twice a week. That would not cause, 99% of time would not cause. Super intense. What happened, and then he mentioned that he had long COVID and all these other things and who knows what's going on. Yeah. The part that seems that he wrote and he didn't say, but he wrote in there that even the shorter workouts were still bothering him, which is kind of strange. What annoys me sometimes with doctors is, oh, you're just, you're just doing too much. And so I asked some specifics. What about this? They didn't know. They make quick assumptions. Yeah. Yeah, there's no further testing. If I was a doctor and he came to me and I looked at that, I'd be like, well, you're middle-aged man. You look otherwise healthy. Yeah, you could be working out too hard, but you have trouble standing for short period of time. We got to look a little deeper and kind of see what's going on. So, and then severe chest inflammation. I mean, it could be rabdo. Look, you could get so much muscle damage, it overwhelms your body. People get hospitalized for that and they do. But the doctors would have seen, unless they're completely inept, they would have seen his CK levels at extraordinary levels. Yeah, they've seen so much. In which case they would have, unless they didn't test for it, is what I'm saying. In which case they would have, you know, put him on IV. But something else is going on. I feel like a client, I mean, a patient that comes in and complains to those things, that would be like one of the first things that you would test. I mean, that's, it's become common with CrossFit and stuff like that. It's become more popular. So I feel like if you came in and you're talking about your workout, making you feel this way, I would think that's like a first box that most doctors get. Potentially, right. But even rabdo is rare. It's not super common. It's pretty hard to get, you know, to get someone in that, a place like that. So, you know, definitely look deeper. I know sometimes, oftentimes the answer is, you're doing too much, but sometimes the, like you're doing an amount that might be a little too much, but holy cow, I'm so crushingly tired that I can't move or I can't stand. You got to look a little deeper. This question so highlights, though, what we've been saying for so many years on this podcast that we get flack for sometimes in the, with the hardcore fitness community is that I think that messaging is so terrible for most people. It really is. I get, I get how it hypes us all up. Like I get hyped up, dude, when I said David Goggins, like it gets me all excited. Well, yeah, someone like this here is like, oh my God, I can barely stand. And then David Goggins like, you're a pussy. He's like, I guess I'm a pussy. I'll just push harder. Yeah. You know, that's not, that's not gonna be, that's not the answer. It'll work. Yeah. Look, if you like Mind Pump, head over to mindpumpfree.com and check out all of our free guides. 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