 I feel like I'm living in the twilight zone because more and more I'm seeing clips from the view that don't completely make me lose my mind. Like a couple of weeks ago they talked about the election and you know they brought up Abigail Spanberger's criticism of the left and how she believes that defund the police and Medicare for all and you know the label of socialism led to Democrats losing seats in the house. And when I saw the view put out a segment where they talk about this you know I kind of braced myself because I expected them to have a really really terrible take. And surprisingly they were all reasonable. The conversation that they had about this was substantive and furthermore it was correct. They talked about how you know the incumbent Democrats that support Medicare for all actually won re-election and it's a very popular policy. So when I saw them talk about something that Obama said lately with regard to defund the police and how Democrats shouldn't say it once again I braced myself because I figured that that last segment was just an outlier but once again we saw a pretty substantive discussion. But not as much as the last one not as not as good as the last one I should say because Sunny Haasen really was the voice of reason on this panel and she got pushed back. Sunny Haasen actually called out Barack Obama and disagreed with him which is something you almost never see in mainstream media. And she got pushed back but I do want to respond to some of the points made by individuals who disagree with her because I think that there is a kernel of truth to what they're saying but it's just it's not applicable to defund the police and I think that Sunny Haasen basically explains perfectly why that's the case. So take a look. Former President Obama has been commenting on the current state of politics in recent interviews and he's warning progressive Democrats to be careful how they pitch their platforms. Take a look. If you believe as as I do that we should be able to reform the criminal justice system so that it's not biased and treats everybody fairly I guess you can use a snappy slogan like defund the police but you know you've lost a big audience the minute you say it which makes it a lot less likely that you're actually going to get the changes you want done. Right. So does he have a point here Sunny? You know I'm always low to criticize President Obama because I'm such a fan but I do think he's wrong here. I mean when you think about defund the police that's not a term that was crowdsourced or tested in focus groups you know that's a term that was born a rallying cry that was born out of this over-policing of black and brown communities born out of the frustration of seeing black and brown men and women killed in the streets by police officers and defunding the police does not mean for the hundredth time I've explained it does not mean eliminating police departments it doesn't mean stripping agencies for all of their money it's reimagining policing in this country to address systemic racism we defund school programs all the time and they call it defunding school programs yet no one seems to have a problem with that but people all of a sudden have a problem with defunding the police that term I don't think you should allow people to co-op the movement and and tell protesters what language they should use I think you know President Obama was a community organizer and I really think that he you know knows better I spoke to my good friend Alicia Garza you you guys have met her and she co-founded the Black Lives Matter movement she told me when they first came up with the Black Lives Matter movement people told her that they should call it be all lives matter movement now I think that that would have been a mistake now you know because that that was born of protesters in the street yeah but but I think what he's trying to say is that people hold on hold on a second I think what he's saying is how people perceived that message and how it was carried through is the problem that's I think what he's saying be aware of how you're presenting yourself because people do grab it and run it's you know and we saw it in Miami we saw it all over Florida how people took that message didn't matter how many times you said that's not what it means people took that because the right kind of message that grabbed it and turned it into something else go ahead July I'm sorry well yeah but I think that sunny gate came up with a better slogan reimagined the police yeah that's a good slogan it's it's more accurate the defund the police is not an accurate statement it has to be more like here's an accurate statement give me liberty or give me death there you go and I dated Patrick Henry so I happen to know that's a good one but the thing choice also and pro life those things don't work either it should be pro woman they need to get a slogan that does not make people nuts and defund the police scared that's what tree and that's why so many Democrats well that's what he's saying so it's not working that's what I disagree with Obama is saying disagree I know you do but I think you're wrong this time so I thought I do it when I came back I didn't know how much time we had do you want me to go because I actually I do agree with President Obama that when there's any confusion I understand what sunny is saying that there's an anger there's a rage that you can hear that and agree with where you're going but not how you get there and I think what President Obama said resonated with me because I think that if there's any confusion how do you speak across to more people it's you know your friend Alicia Garza said it's all about math it's getting more people not just your community to understand it and in order to do that you got to make sure you don't lose some of those people in the messaging as President Obama said so I really appreciated your quote but you also guys I hate to do this to you but we have to go so usually when I am critical of the view Sonny Hauston is the one that I agree with the most if I'm gonna agree with any of them which is pretty rare to be honest but you know over the years she's been growing more and more out of touch and you know I think it was last year that was basically the straw that broke the camel's back for me when they were all lying about Medicare for all how popular it is its advocacy and that really that that irritated me and I kind of held this grudge against them but what we saw here from Sonny Hauston I mean she said everything that I would have said in that predicament you know this isn't some sort of slogan that a politician came up with this manifested organically on the ground I mean it's not like a ballish ice where AOC is the one who kind of spoke this into existence to fund the police came from the bottom up not the top down and that makes it very different very different and she says you know we talk about reimagining policing in this country to address systemic racism and we defund school programs all the time like everything she's saying is reasonable and I think that Jamal Bowman put it best if you're more uncomfortable with the slogan then black people getting murdered by the police at alarming rates then I mean you're the one with the issue and it's just a matter of educating people and changing their hearts and minds I mean we shouldn't base our policy preferences on what is or isn't popular we should support policies that are good policies now Joy Behar and the other host disagreed with Sonny Austin Joy Behar said we should call it you know we imagine the police it's not working and she then uses you know pro-choice and pro-life as a reason why Democrats often miss the mark when it comes to labeling and it should be called pro-woman now I don't agree with what Joy Behar is saying with regard to defund the police because I think that defund the police is very specific we take the funds that we are giving to police departments and we reallocate them into other social services so rather than you know just calling the police for everything mental health issues and whatnot we actually have a social worker come out to deal with mental health crises you know something that they're more trained to deal with than not police officers like we can't just have this one-size-fits-all approach to policing we have to reimagine policing in America and defund the police I think speaks to that and if it's not popular now we make it popular we keep pushing to make sure that this is something that individuals support right this is what happened with medic air for all it wasn't always as popular as it is now we had to work on it and convince people and we won so you don't run away from something just because it's not popular but I do think that what Joy Behar is saying about marketing it is important because Democrats oftentimes are terrible at marketing and Republicans they're pretty effective at marketing and I don't necessarily believe it's because you know Republicans are geniuses I think it's because they're disciplined in their messaging right so they say something and initially you'll think wow that's really stupid nobody's gonna believe this and then they say it's so much that it ends up sticking if Democrats were this disciplined it wouldn't really matter what the policy is you dis elevate one issue use an anecdote and you run with it and you stick to it and that actually does work so when it comes to like pro-life and pro-choice I do think that there is some truth to what Joy Behar is saying because when you call a Republican who's anti-abortion pro-life you're giving them far more credit than they ever would deserve because these individuals oftentimes who identify as pro-life support bombing other countries they support wars you know they don't think that individuals should be guaranteed health care that's free at the point of service so that's not pro-life so why are we calling them pro-life why are we calling ourselves pro-choice when they can easily misconstrue that and say well that means that you think that abortion is the pro-choice and not that you know we're in favor of more freedom for women like these are things that Democrats have to think more deeply about I think but it's not even about them like getting better at marketing I think that this is something that Democrats and the left has to work on discipline really is the key because you know when Republicans say something they're they're relentless they have Fox News say they have their politicians say it and repeat it like it's the same thing with death panels and Obamacare like all of a sudden people were worried about death panels because Republicans said that we should fear death panels and it sounded stupid at first and it was stupid but if you say something enough that raises the salience of that issue so you know there's there's a lot to be discussed I think that this conversation is important like I think that talking about the efficacy of slogans and marketing it does matter but when it comes to defund the police this is something that manifested on the ground as I stated earlier so you know you can't attack politicians for simply doing what they should be doing adopting what activists are encouraging them to support you don't attack the politicians for adopting the slogan of activists you attack the politicians who don't support this mass movement perhaps the largest civil rights movement we've seen in America so you know I really give Sonny Haasen credit here because everything that she said was astute