 Here we just pass it to you. Hello, welcome to the June 2019 metric, not metrics meeting now, Wiggy Media Monthly Activities Meeting, formerly the metrics meeting. We're just going to go right into the agenda just because for a few minutes after, let's grab, press the button, nothing happening, nothing happening. Oh, no. It's all good. It's all good. It's one of those days. How are you all doing in the room? Tell us a story. I've got no stories. Apologies, there's on the call waiting. Superb. Thank you. I don't have the words here anymore, but it's all good. I'll read them off the screen like a professional. Well, here's the agenda. So we're going to be talking about, obviously, the movement update as usual, and then we'll be moving to Ziko for his talk on Wiggy's for Children, and then a movement strategy update, and then questions, discussion, and Wiggy Love. So movement update, first of all. Again, I'll just kind of have to read these off the screen. But Wiggy Media and I reach the technical internship for bridging the free and open source inclusion gap. So I reach he's running two rounds of paid internships a year, thank you very much, with the help of Wiggy Media staff members and volunteer mentors from organizations like the Wiggy Media Foundation, and why we must all support policy that keeps the internet open and accessible. Together, we can help protect the flourishing and open internet that evolves for all forms of culture, science, registration, and knowledge. I don't know what that in particular is about, but. So the Wiggy Media Czech Republic hosted hackathon in May, bringing together 220 people from 47 different countries. The annual hackathon brings people with different skill sets together and software that powers the Wiggy Media websites. And we, the Wiggy Media Foundation, back in court opposing NSA's mass surveillance. On the 30th of May, we were in a courtroom in Alexandria, Virginia, to watch oral arguments in our ongoing case against the United States government's mass surveillance practices. And other events coming up around the world. We have the Celtic Knot Wiggy Media Language Conference in Cornwall, England, United Kingdom. We have Wiggy Media 2019 in August in Stockholm, and the Wiggy Convention Francophone in Brussels, Belgium. All right, and then we'll move on to Ziko, who's on the call for Wiggy's for Children. It's green with you. All right, I'm Ziko van Dijk, and I would like to talk to you about Wiggy's for Children. Can you see the presentation? We can't see the presentation yet. There we go, now we can. Now you can see the presentation. There we go. Yeah, okay. So the idea is to get your short overview about the existing situation, some issues when you talk about children on the internet, and then I have some suggestions or recommendations to consider with regard to the strategy of 2030, because we want to enlarge our readership in general. Well, shortly about me, here's a little disclaimer. I'm the co-founder of one of the Wiggy's I'm talking about, the Tlexicon, but I try to be as useful as possible. I have just singled out there several types of Wiggy's for Children, and we have to consider that. So this overview is only about a few Wiggy's. There are much more, but because of the time and I just chose several Wiggy's just to show that several types of Wiggy's for Children. So considering only Wiggy's that are reference works of some kinds, some encyclopedias, so I didn't consider Wiggy's for fiction, for example. They declared goals that the readers are children, and in some cases they also want children to be contributors in the Wiggy. Of course it's open content, and it must be a Wiggy that is open for contributors and public for the readers. So we are not talking here about some Wiggy's installed on a school server, just serving for one class. And actually the Wiggy Media Movement already does have a Wiggy for Children, a simple English Wikipedia has a whole list of target groups, and this is according to me already a problem because if you try to do justice to so many different target groups like people who don't have English as foreign language, I think it's a problem by itself, and I'm afraid I have to say I find the quality hat has it. So you have sometimes articles with only one or two sentences so they are not reserving as information source, and they're an article like Frederick Chopin, I find it excellent, you're written, it's not too long, but it's just not easy to understand. It writes about an abortive engagement of Chopin, and I find it difficult to understand. So we are not quite there yet, but there are Wiggy's that have been created outside of the Wiggy Media Movement. And the first one was the Grunschul Wiggy in German. So this is from an association that deals with open educational resources, they have several Wiggy's, and this one is the learning platform. So you as a teacher go with your school class to an administrator, get accounts, and children are going to write articles, and I call this kind of Wiggy's education oriented. So the goal is the children learn how to write or to collaborate, to work with hypertexts and so on. And it's not that important how good is the content in the Eclexicon initially supported with the Fundings of Wiggy Media in Deutschland. There is a community of adults that is permanently writing articles. We have tried to work with children, but they simply don't have the skills to meet the, to write articles with the minimum requirements. So this kind of Wiggy's I call content oriented. And there's also a third group like Wiggy Kids, or in French, Wikidia, and other Wiggy's, they try to be learning platforms and content creating communities at the same time, which in my opinion is also quite a challenge. Imagine a child has written a text and it's quite good for the child, it's an achievement, but from a content point of view, you would have to say that you have to delete it because it doesn't meet the, the quality requirements for readers. And there are some quite specific issues. A lot of them, I just present two of them. Always when you deal with children in Wiggy's and on the internet in general, the first one of course is the openness by itself. It's a value for Wiggy that is open and everybody can edit. On the other side, always when you deal with children, you need some kind of protected space. I gave you the link to the Harris report some years ago, 10 years ago, 2010, I believe. There was a report on Wikipedia and Mr. and Mrs. Harris, they wrote, there's a general problem. In a Wiggy, we expect people to be equals of each other to collaborate, but adults and children, they cannot meet on eye level because children don't have the resilience we expect and they cannot protect their own rights in the way we want to. So there must always be an adult who has a task to protect the children from cyber grooming, for example. I find it actually a problem that in Wikipedia, a minor age under 12, age under 14 can create an article, a user account. And then a stranger could send an email to the child with the Wiggy mail system. So generally, I would like to work to raise awareness of these problems in the Wiggy medium. And the second issue I want to tackle here, harmful content. So in Encyclopedia, I want to talk about everything, but well, there are some things like, when you talk about the Holocaust, you would have to ask yourself, what kind of pictures can you show and how much you go into detail. The Harris report has this interesting principle of least astonishment, and they say in the Western world, it is okay if a Wiggy for children has nudity, but only in articles where you expected on sexuality, for example, but not in other kind of articles. So in the Klexicon, for example, when we wrote the article on mormons, we did have some kind of unity in the just, but we tried to limit that as much as possible. Principle of least astonishment. So, and if it comes to the Wiggy media foundation, and I'm trying to cover a little bit the discussions because of last years, I would like to set up from three possible standpoints or points of view. The easiest way for the movement, thinking about children and the Wiggies, is just keeping the current situation, because you have Wiggies in several countries, you have Wiggies for several purposes, different purposes, and they work more or less well. And I don't know whether they would work better if they are Wiggy media Wiggies, maybe yes, but at the present time, if I want to have travel expenses to go to a conference and promote the Klexicon, I can do that, I can get it from Wiggy media Deutschland, for example, that's not the problem. But you also can consider a current situation plus, where you would have a kind of partnership program between the foundation and individual Wiggies for Children, where you have signed some principles, shared principles and values, and on the other hand, you would give them more substantial support, for example, the Klexicon, and other Wiggies are suffering from, well, certain datedness of the media Wiggie versions and other software issues, and with relatively small money, the foundation or the chapters could help us in a way that they are now reluctant to do. That's a little bit my concern. So there's certainly room for improvement, and third, maybe we will in future do get this Wiggy media Wiggie for Children, as they have planned in several approaches, but my suggestion would be to consider to have two different Wiggies, one learning platform for education, maybe with protected spaces for single school classes, and a different one for content directed for our children as readers. And with all this, one would have to consider one way or the other that these Wiggies must be allowed to be different to Wikipedia, maybe follow some other principles, or be very strict when it comes to harassment and make it easier to report harassments, because children are always a special target, and especially regulation about children on the internet are very severe in the country, so you have to need some tolerance that there are differences from country to country or language to language. So and why are we doing this? For one simple reason, in the year 2030, young adults, students, young people coming to Wikipedia, Wiggy data, and other projects, well, where are they now? They are now 10 years old at school, and I think they are very happy if they have a kind of Wikipedia for children and a website in general that is not full with advertisements and other nasty things, just what don't want to have when children are on the internet. So this is my account on Wiggies and children, maybe over some time for questions, and I'm happy to be in contact with you later on if you want to. Yes? Thank you, Ziko. We'll do questions and discussion at the end of the meeting, but thanks a lot for giving that presentation there. And we'll move on quickly to the movement strategy as soon as we can. Thank you. Thank you so much. Just give us two seconds while we fix the presentation here. Superb. Cool. Take it away. Oh, your usage is now Douglas. BFU has a nice answer about that. Looking from wherever you are in the world, and welcome to the Wikimedia 2030 update. My name is Selaga Douglas from the movement strategy core team, and for today's update, we have something interesting in store for you for what's happening in the movement strategy process. Next slide, please. Yes, so the activities continue and the work continues for the nine thematic areas. The current stage of activities is in the analysis phase. Working groups are doing an analysis of the scoping questions that were developed a few months ago, and you'll be able to have access and your input to all this in the community manager at Stockholm. And this is not news already. This does happen for quite some time, and most of us have been aware of what has been happening in the working groups and their thematic areas. But today's focus is on the strategy salons. Next slide, please. Yes, so the strategy salons are quite an important step in the movement strategy process as they link to what the working groups are currently doing in terms of having voices and community efforts included in the movement strategy process. And we are doing this to have emerging communities included unheard and new voices included in the future of our movement. And we are going to look at what the leaders in Uganda and Tanzania are doing in preparation for their strategy salons that are coming up in the next few months. Next slide, please. Yes, so we have Joffrey Katerida who's going to speak to us about what plans are being done. And then we hear from the Tanzania team as well, handing over to Joffrey. Thank you, Douglas. My name is Joffrey Katerida from the Wikimedia community in Uganda. So I'm glad and quite excited to be speaking to you today to tell you about our upcoming salon which is actually happening in just a few days' time. So it's happening this weekend on Saturday. And we are hoping to gather around 20 community members and because of the funding that we're able to get, we're able to get people from different parts of the country. And these include different partners that we've collaborated with on projects, members of the user group, students and other different players in the community as a group. And what we are focusing on for our strategy salon is we selected two teams that is roles and responsibilities and then resource allocation. So we chose these two because we think this is what, like, us as a user group are most interested in in trying to make our voice heard and contribute to the movement strategy. So it's happening this weekend and we are looking so much for it. And the most interesting thing I think is also that after the country one, which is happening this week, we are also going to be preparing a regional one which we bring together different countries in eastern Africa. So Ethiopia, Tanzania, Uganda, Rwanda, Kenya. So this one that we are having this week is going to act as an opportunity for us to first of all discuss what we care for as a user group and also prepare us for the regional one which will be upcoming a few months later. We will again take into consideration the ideas from the whole region which we shall present to the movement. So that's the plan for us and we are having this weekend and very much looking for it. So the objectives and maybe I can say of the strategy salon that we are having for us, it's first of all an opportunity to come together as a user group and present what we want to the movement strategy group and want to use multimedia presentation. So we hope to record like videos of our ideas and also we are creating a meta page so that also publish that on the wiki. So hopefully this will be the results we will inform and be useful as we look forward to with media 2030. So that's the brief idea that we have our strategic meeting this weekend and I'll be looking forward to any questions at the end of the meeting. Thank you. Next slide. So apologies we are not able to have Antonio Janus who's got some technical problems. I hope I'm able to efficiently represent what was supposed to discuss with us which I'll try to do in the next few minutes. So it's like one of the key elements to note in these processes that these two user groups in Africa are one of the new user groups that have joined the Wikimedia affiliate model and one of the objectives is to have like the capacities of these user groups included in the future of the movement and one of the existing activities that have been happening behind the scenes of what the user groups have been doing that were not known to the movement include having like the Tanzanian user group has students that have been working for over two years. They have Swahili Wikimedia as new stratas as representatives of the Wikimedia Wikimedia as well. Then the Astronomy Association of Tanzania is part of their user group and they have volunteers from Creative Commons chapter in Tanzania as well as individuals and lecturers and a different mix of different people involved in their movement and the plan for their strategy salon is to hold two events. One is the general salon and the other one is the youth focused salon where they would like to discuss thematic areas in community health, capacity building and they can incorporate product and technology and other thematic areas like and solicitation basically plus revenue streams. So these are just the outlines of some thematic areas that we'll be looking at but they'll be able to refine that according to the way that they plan as we proceed. That's a general view of what they would like to do and we hope the movement will be able to provide them feedback. Next slide please. Yeah, so in case of any feedback we can reach out to myself and Kelsey who is the community engagement specialist and we can also be able to share what is happening with the plans for the strategy salon and how the general can get involved and get updates about what's happening. Thank you so much. Next slide. Any questions? Thank you very much. Thank you very much. I'm going to stand up for this bit but we just crept on a little too far. Cool, so now I guess it's open for questions and discussion. If you have any and you're watching online then you can ask them on RC to Mr. Forrester over there, James F. Or I guess raise them by voice if you're in the room, I guess. I don't know what other methods there are. Hi, I'm going to jump in. So I've got more of a comment than a question. Sorry, I had to say it. To Zico from SJ, he said plus one to your core point we absolutely need knowledge and collaborative spaces for children and he gave the example that Scratch does an excellent job of making space and moderation work at scale. So I don't know if you'd like to speak to that, Zico. Of course, Zico. So SJ was saying that he totally agrees with your core point that we need knowledge and collaborative spaces for children and there are some examples of this working quite well and he gave the example of Scratch which is a children's programming playground kind of thing and how that scales moderation and making safe spaces available quite well and I don't know if you'd like to speak about the challenge of moderating and building communities. Yes, I would like to give you an example that was a slide I took away but I learned from a professional moderator for chat rooms for children so not wikis but in general imagine that someone writes a comment like, hello, please write to me I have five cats I have six dogs I have three turtles and so on so would that be a harmful communication? Would you allow or prohibit this kind of pose in the chat room? The answer is no because this could be a hidden message this is a sequence of numbers here someone tries to open a channel like a telephone number or an ICQ code so the moderator then would say hello, it's nice to talk about your animals at home please you could say just several dogs a lot of cats some turtles and so on and very often it seems that not only children are adjusting in the chat room on a website for children they try to get the children to a communication channel where they don't have moderators so I wasn't aware of that before I started with the Klexicon these practices and I find it a little bit scary so you have a lot of responsibilities and sometimes I think that in the wiki media movement we still don't have the awareness for this kind of problems so now I'm actually quite happy that our experiments with children and the Klexicon didn't turn out well for quality reasons and we are teachers so we cannot accompany them in a proper way we always had contact with the parents of the children but now I'm actually quite happy that there are no active children on the wiki now so if you want to talk about all of these problems you can have when you actively want to have children on a website you can talk quite enough time about that Thank you Has anybody got any more questions in the room? We're all out on IRC I think we're probably questioned out just now Cool I don't have the clicker anymore so There we go, fantastic So this meeting is QED sourced so if you have ideas or you want to present on something then by all means sign up on Metawiki using the page there that you can see on the slide or just search for activities meetings and it will come up and I think that brings us through to wiki love, the best slide so I guess if anybody's got wiki love to share either do that on IRC or we have a mic in the room if anyone would like to stand up and do something don't be shy, they don't bite I promise Hello Alright, I am just bubbling over with wiki love right now for everyone who has signed up on wiki media space in the first 48 hours since launch over 100 people have created an account so thank you so much for that I've got wiki love comment from SJN IRC to Douglas and to Jeffrey to thank them for the local meeting updates and how it's inspiring adding in my own words to hear all that work and it's really important, thank you I'm Jenna, I help out admin assistant to our engineering teams here and this isn't glamorous but it's end of our fiscal year so we've been doing a lot of work on the back end with finance and contract renewals and all that stuff so I wanted to give wiki love to all my colleagues and all the budget managers I work with who have been dealing with all of that you know, paperwork and bureaucracy and just making sure that everything gets renewed on time so it's been a busy time for us but thank you Stealing the fact that I have the microphone I'm gonna give wiki love in a personal capacity or rather professional capacity to SRE who did a huge amount of work overnight last night to deal with a networking difficulty problem we had which was taking down the site and waking people up at 2 in the morning is not fun and the sheer professionalism was brilliant to see and I think it's important to them Anybody else in the room or online? I will give wiki love to BU Rob13 he knows why I won't go into details he's probably not watching but it's fine Geoffrey here, I just want to say Geoffrey here, I just want to say I'll be taking wiki love to our strategy meeting this weekend so it's good to see some wiki love here so something good to take away put that to all the members, thank you Absolutely, yeah another one in the room Green means working, red means not working that makes very much sense she's probably not watching either but I'll give some wiki love to Jasmine Tanner for always thinking one step ahead of everybody else and being prepared for everything it's very helpful Okay, anybody else? Any of the others? Okay I think we may be all wiki loved out Please, somebody, save me Okay Alright I can't remember what comes after this because I don't know the clicker I think that's it, that's everything we're only 40 minutes in and we started late very efficient guys very efficient Well in that case, have a great rest of your day Bye Bye, thank you