 Welcome to Toffy TV, it's the final word, Everson 3. Fulham Neil, we're joined by Mike, one of our patrons. It's what happens if you're a patron. You get to come in and be a guest and hug one of our cushions really inappropriately. It's just like comfortable. That's your cushion, that was. He's comfortable. He can do it once, he brought Jaffa cakes and Wagon wheels and something else. You just look really excited about this cat. You just look really excited by the three points there. I was more excited by the cushion. It just feels nice on it if you have it in bad shop. Comfort one pot wash. He's happy. We're all happy though. I mean the difference by win makes is incredible isn't it? Definitely, definitely massive. I think for us I think just to get the monkey off the back a couple of bad results. Good performances in my head if a couple of them. But get the win and then we can get on with trying to get behind a team properly. I think at this point of the season as well, good performances are great. But you need to be putting obviously, I mean this is all season. You need to be putting punch on the board because at the end of the day that table is so tight that sometimes it can be very misleading. You've been playing well okay you might have picked up a win on a couple of draws. But just visually it doesn't look nice. So you just want to get a win in there just to keep things ticking over obviously. You've got to have a default setting haven't you? You've got to be able to win games of football against average teams which let's be honest is most of the Premier League. And if you can do that like we did Saturday then things can be very very different very very quickly. Yeah it's just obviously the West Ham game and not so much the Arsenal game. The hangover for me was Huddersfield and West Ham. They were at two because you looked at those two. We went both of these within a good position and we didn't win either of them. So you come away and then you lose to Arsenal. I thought we played very well. So Saturday even though it's early and even though I fully believe in what the manager is doing and what the players are doing. It was a must win game and you think of a must win game in September. But you need to because it reaffirms everything they're doing and it gets you in that middle of the table and then you're in such a distance of top six and you'll be putting that daylight between everybody else. So it was an important win. Yeah I think you've got to get points on the board and that's what we're going for isn't it? You know who we're going to watch the team win. You know we want to see the development behind the scenes and everything progressing. But it goes on then and we're getting points on the board and we've got good enough players to put teams like that to their own. I suppose that's been one of the criticisms in the last few weeks hasn't it? You look at the team. I did a thing last week with a fallen fan ahead of the game and he was like look at your team. And then I did something after the game for the Southampton fan and he was like oh you're going to change it. You're going to change the team for Tuesday and I was like we changed that. You know we're still bringing the good players in and you know Tolson hasn't been started and now he might start and you might bring Bane's in and you might you know Bernard you're thinking this watch shouldn't affect us that much. We've got a good 14-15 players there but they're not winning games and people can't see what Mark and Silver's doing behind the scenes. We're trying to do behind the scenes then it plays into a lot of people's hands for some reason just want to be proved right rather than see the team do well. Which I don't I think you know if anything bad has come out of social media and I know we spoke about this loads of times it's the fact that because people's opinions are all down on paper for some reason they feel like they have to stick to them forever and ever and ever and not go oh yeah that might have been you know I was wrong on that. I'm just deleting your tweets and you're wrong about something. I'm thinking of deleting years of tweets when I was wrong about stuff and then sticking to something you know some people are prepared to die on that hill for some stupid things where you can just go you know what I might not like somebody but they had a good game today. Now that's a bite me tongue matter we bought Michael Keen. I'll slide them off all summer. But I think like you said earlier on like you should want to be proved wrong whatever your fans we want everything to do well or I do. I'm sure we all do but like you know you can have it you know a thing where you can play whatever but if they prove you're wrong good. I want everything to prove you're wrong. I put it out there that I thought everyone I didn't think everyone will ever win a trophy in my lifetime. Please prove you're wrong please please please many times. But you know hopefully there's a bit more time. Many times. Because he is tumble. I think listen you shouldn't have an agenda with any other player really you know you should just be getting behind a team at three o'clock every week whenever the time they kick off. That's it. The reset button should be set and it's get behind and let's win the game. Now at the end of the game they haven't played well. You've quite entitled to go up my opinion and have a very good game now. That's fine. That's fine. Let's get like a good feeling going about everybody you know. And like you just said it might be your favourite player but don't be too proud to go. You know what? He's doing well and I didn't think he could do it but he's doing alright. There's not none with that. There's not none with being able to bend a bit. You know what I mean? It's like that. Mark I've said before. Cucamartin is the worst footballer I've ever seen play for Evan and I've seen some bad Evan players but at times like season he had decent games. He had decent games so you have to go. You know what? He played alright today. A drag that he wasn't playing but he played alright today. That's it. You'd rather he's not playing but if he is playing surely he wants to do well with his playing. It's just a bit. It is a bit. But saying that I mean the team surprised me starting staying 11 surprised me but I suppose it shouldn't have surprised us because if the manager thought he played well last week then fair play to him to stick into his plans. That tells those players that you do alright. Okay things will go against you but if you do okay and you play, you do what I've asked you to do which I suppose for the manager is the most important thing. I mean you hear this all the time. You hear managers who are quite reasonable people will say well I don't want to do a job and they try to do it and the other team were better or something happened that was out of our control. What do you want from me? I'm not a miracle worker. I've done what I've asked. And I suppose that's what Michael Silvers probably looked at. You did the job that I asked you to do last week but a little bit of quality from us not a bad decision has gone against us and we've lost the game. So I think that's good as well because that's what you want from your manager. You don't just want him to be reactive to every little thing. I'm sure he's got a plan doesn't he? At the end of the day everyone who was not associated with everything in the media after the Arsenal game were like everything's saved from something like that game and we did, we played well the way the team was set up so from the manager perspective everything was well we missed a couple of chances. We did a couple of little errors at the back but fundamentally for the 90 minutes we played the DC game football he'd got an identity what he wants to play like you said and it's saying to the players when they're playing if you're doing what I'm asking you to do you've done the job. The shape of yours, you're staying in and I think it's good for partnerships for me it's gone and with this what I want to see you build partnerships you know Garnard Davies will get better playing together week in week out whether you think they're the right two or not but whichever two whoever it is centre back partnership you know you get better the more you're playing shopping and changing all the time I was quite happy to see the same start on 11 Yeah I mean I it was a little a slight surprise cos I didn't know whether he'd just bring talk something back in and he'd hinted at Rytialason playing up front on Friday and his press conference on banana coming in but see the team's like yeah alright did they play well last week so let's see if they can repeat it today you take the man and he's looked at them and say with them all week so you go alright well he's obviously happy with what he did last week he did play well last week and he's changed it when he needed to he changed it after West Ham for Arsenal you know rather keen came back in and you know Towson has dropped and stuff like that so you know Davies was in so he did make the changes so and I think it's no coincidence that we've managed to pick up a clean sheet the first one of the season by having the same back four you know a couple of weeks in a row you know I think that was a massive bonus for everyone obviously keen and Zuma looked okay last week okay a couple of mistakes in them but this week looked pretty solid and I think that was the most important the thing I think about that is that you can make changes ahead of those that back four but I think when we've got okay that's not maybe not everyone's perfect back four but if you've got a consistent back four at least then you're going to get they're going to know what they're doing they're going to start understanding what they're doing and I think that was really important on Saturday that back four looked for the majority of the game okay there was hiccups on my toe well done but they looked quite solid they knew what their job was and they went out and done a look at last season with that manala that's coming and you know that back four we had Cucumarty and it wasn't even our third choice like back a left back Ashley Williams was having a mate and then all of a sudden we went like five games and I couldn't see the goal or something or won it because they just got used to playing with each other they weren't anyone's greatest you know, individually that wasn't the team you would have wanted out there you didn't want to make some changes but they done a job because they got used to what you do so I know what you're going to do now so I'm a bit more comfortable and you know what I'm and everyone is the partnership like you said now of course in an ideal world we won't have any injuries and he'll have 26 players to choose from and he'll have the best and he'll go like this is today this is my best 11 and we might look and go yeah that's probably the 11 we play but at the minute we've got injuries and he's making decisions based on what players are doing and if players aren't performing you're not in a team for me the biggest thing was the fact that the performance at Arsenal was good and he hasn't just ripped it up because the result didn't go the way we wanted it to it's going on the performance was good so there's no need to rip it up and I think it worked well it did I thought the first after I thought I don't know I suppose it's one of those things we're going to have to get better the teams are going to come and they're going to sit in and they're going to sign frustrations and even as open as full amount didn't really offer anything there was a lot of players it was very congested in that midfield area the game really wasn't stretched and that's where we seem to be struggling you know we struggle against Huddersfield Westam would obviously a little bit more open but we seem to struggle just breaking teams down and then that's something we might have to get used to but hopefully as that continues we get better at using the ball because for me it's just a lack of movement and a lack of speed in how we play the ball I think that was the difference between the first half and the second half second half we just moved the ball a lot faster and pulled them out of where they wanted to be which is obviously it's a part of the game anyway in second half because the opposition might start dropping off because of fitness and players getting a place to hand is good but that's something we're going to have to definitely get better at because it just don't fit start it was just another one that was hard so you looked down going we can't string three passes together here yeah it was the tempo was too slow we had a couple of bright moments we had one in the first 90 seconds I think the Charles had three or four men and flicked it off to Siginson and he stretched and he went wide and then we had Walcott had a shot which they keep him made a good save from and then it was nearly moments where there'd be some lovely football and then they'd break down it was a sloppy pass so we delayed the cross so it was kind of that and they looked a lot smoother going with the ball exactly in the centre of the park the upper very little in the final there of course but it felt like that kind of game in the first half I think for us I think like you said I think because as we're getting better and we're improving the players that we're getting the teams are coming to go with a different mindset and we've got to get used to that I think we need to get better as you're keeping the ball because you can break them down naturally come the second half through fatigue by them chasing and chasing and chasing but we've got to be patient as fans as well to understand that look I know we want it quick quick quick but it's a 90 minute game but I think you're right there but I think that's down to them as well as players I think they're too quick to try and break teams down and end up giving the ball away I think what we need really we need somebody in the middle of the park who is really comfortable on the ball who is willing to take the ball off other people when they're in a sticky spot or say ganna get the ball ganna can just give it to his mate next room who can move up the pitch comfortably you know we all know we need that Snidlin can do that but he doesn't go anyway he likes taking the ball and his pass completion is really really high but he doesn't go anyway with the ball and what we really need is somebody in that middle of the park who can transition with the ball but there's also a good passer they're a high commodity there's not many of them about Chelsea have got one at the moment what's the name? he's got a 99% pass but you can see with him what he does and all the good teams have that at the moment and that's what we really miss we'll just calm the game down so in the first half what I thought we were guilty of is just getting the ball and trying to just do something dead quick and then it'll break down and then they get the ball then you get it back in it whereas if you've got somebody in the middle of the park who can do that they pick the moments our setters in the memory for us the best one somebody will just get the ball and can just see that pass but if it's not on but if it's not on we'll just go well I'll give it to you and you give it back to me and then we'll see if it's on again and then that's just something we're missing at the moment because what we rely on heavily is our wit and with Charleston I'll get the ball but woke up to the ball and I think the problem with wit is it's a high gambling ethos really because you've got to rely on with Charleston to beat a couple of players to make space same with woke up you rely on him beating a couple he doesn't beat them it breaks down straight away and you're back to where you started so I just think that's what we miss in those games we didn't have it for years and then after that it arrived and suddenly we had it in the middle of the park and I don't think we've quite had that player since Barley did it in a different way he could open the space up but he could open up from a deep position and it was a wit I suppose you had Barley with him then and Barley could do the transition as well but it's about having that one player now because then what we found in the last two games it's kind of like a job all day on his own what we always thought Tom Davis I think helps that because he's a little bit more advanced than them but Tom just hasn't got that repertoire yet it's certainly the passing, he tries but it's not fully there yet and I don't think he breaks away from players quick and up there he's trying, he's trying the model I think that's what the manager wants but I think that if we could find that player I think that this might have him he's just not fit yet it might be if we don't know do we it's but to maybes isn't it I don't like ever to think listen I still think Andy Van Dammey he's going to come good I honestly think that Van Dammey there he's going to come good one of these days no you're right he might be there and I think we are some of us are pinning our hopes on him but I think there's got to be someone out there in Wales football that they've got to be looking for I think Davis at the moment is almost like a prototype it's up to him whether he wants to take it but he's almost like the prototype I think this team at the moment is the prototype for the team going forward Garner sitting behind now it mightn't be Garner in the future him sitting behind doing all that work someone in front of him who moves the ball and Sigarton but that's the prototype and it's up to us now to start filling those positions with better players I still think Guilfee can do that oh my I'm a little Guilfee I think he could play the 8 I think he could he could cry easily play that 8 what you're talking about cos he is comfortable on the ball he does take the ball I just think sometimes I think he gets lost in the tent he's not in the game certainly Saturday before his goal he was a passenger but he was a proper 10 on Saturday he touched the ball and what I'm saying is I looked at his position his average position and he's playing as a centre forward he's playing as a centre forward the world 24 times in 94 minutes which is not great the minute he scored he went up 3 levels and you looked at him and there he is there that's the player cos up until the goal I said I don't mind so I'm not being wrong I'd take him off the message on my phone I'd take him off cos he hadn't touched the ball he hadn't caught the rhythm we were like playing at 9 men cos he just wasn't in the game and he's such a good footballer that he's got to be you've got to get him in the game I think that goes from the transition from Garnay to Dave's currently there I think we all Dave will probably get there eventually but he's currently at the level of the rest of the 11 probably not but that's the position at the minute but I think the management side of it the management team they'll know that they'll see that and they can't replace everyone straight away 90% 89% pass completion rate played more forward passes than anybody on the pitch from boat teams 50% of his tackles or for passing what I will say about Tom Davis whether you like him or whether you don't like him I think his position has become defined this season where as last season said this in loads of times you will look at him going didn't you used to nutmeg people in your own box didn't you used to do Christaure's when you scored the goal and last season we just become this dog of a player and this season whether you like him or not but I think you stand to see what his position is the manager understands what his position is now and he will use him in that position and I think that's a big bonus for the player himself a big weak point for Tom Davis and for Ghana is another games gone by whether you haven't had a shot either of them now for Premier League players and certainly for players in and around the top 6 which is where we want to be you only feel three you have to all be able to do if you had finished with six shots it's easy to talk and the start we've had I think we don't expect to be on another 6 points at least about what we are but it's the start of the journey like I said it's not two and three seasons into this we're seven Premier League games into Markham Silver's reign and it's like I said we've tried to win every single match we've played so far and that's what I'm taking from it last season with our time out of dice I guarantee you we'll be third now in the Premier League cos we've won every one game but it's been 1-0 and 1-0 and every one has been going it's boring, it's crap I'm happy with where we are playing the way we are knowing like you've just said risk and reward where we can get to we can't get any further you limit you were done because to beat the best you've got a risk for me I think with Silver you've sort of got stage now where you can see what he's trying to do the implementations are happening it's not going to happen overnight but as I said to you every player seems to be improving under them pretty much and again it's what we're crying out for having a coach giving it a little bit of time but the main thing is I think what we need is we just need to make sure that we have a lot of default wins just wins that we can win games that we can win we might never have a great first half or a great second half but we just win those games and near the games that allow you to improve as a team that's got to happen cos if it doesn't happen and I said this last week then that's where you find yourself in the bottom half of the table and it's great to say we're playing well but we're not winning so we've got to make sure we have more of these wins and we keep ourselves knocking around so that if it does click then you're in a great position to take that next step What did you make of Michael Silver's comments about the crowd? I think they were spot on I think we are anxious as a crowd and I think what he's just relying on there is saying first half wasn't great but look at the second half you got so I'll look at it after 90 minutes I think we've just got to go on like the journey with the team I think we've got to go on stupid but as a set of fans we've had so many false dawns and disappointment that at some stage you've got to chuck that out the window and you sort of believe in what's happening and for me it feels like we're on the right track it doesn't there's absolutely no way but I just want to believe in it and the main thing is on that journey we're getting entertained as well happy days I think the crowd is at all can be better anyway but again listen we've got to say it's a reactive crowd rather than a proactive crowd it's been like that for years I don't put that on anyone I don't say that's your fault and I think so if the crowd when Pickford did the thing everyone just yes it's as good as that crunch you're into this because we all want to believe that the play it matters to the play if you want to see it so when you see Pickford that's just because he's saved something you can tell he's up for it when you see Towsley feeling away with like just that release I want it I want it to matter to them just for them I want to say this they don't have to be like kissing the badge but as long as it means something to them as a team as a team like they're in it together as a team they don't have to be necessarily in it for evidence if that makes sense you know what I mean I want them to love the club but they're not always going to love the club but I want them to be in it for them so there's a team spirit so that they hate when they lose for them and when they win they love it and then that's the first stage to going I love this club because you've got to get to that first stage you've got to walk off the pitch going goppy but you know what at least I scored that means something to me it will take you to that next stage where you're like I love this club that's how Kail did didn't it if it doesn't hate professionally it'll never hate personally really if you don't walk off that pitch going are you losing so yeah and fans will always latch on to those plays and that's where it's almost hard at the moment where you're like the heroes who you latch on to who doesn't mean something to you we've had more of a 10 of plays one it's to buying them all we've used that for a good amount of years so you sort of know the characters but it feels like hopefully there's characters as well in 10s like your Ben Hand looks a little bit quirky and Tolkien's obviously got a bit of fighting pick but then you see the things after the match you see Bernard give his share to the kid with the dessert then the charlton runs over to the glass and gives the kid and I mean the only thing is there's going to be 40 days in my zillion shares and that's the only thing but you see that again that's great that that's the bond that's the connection that's the way people go but it does mean something to him because he's took the time to acknowledge he's bought into it a face that took me lad to and after the game he was there he was there but he was smiling it wasn't a chore he was enjoying it and I think again that's the connection that's it and you've got the man at the first and how can you love Tolkien sprays his head for it plays it I need to know where to go when you've got some training you know, you shoot the ball he's got a bit he's got a bit of you and a bit of like and then on the mat he's got just a full tank he's got a full jet of black he didn't put it on his boot he's got all these black things and he's got what to do with it getting on there for the game how can you not love someone who does that see that much of it let us know your thoughts on this game if you know where Shingt Ocean gets the magic spray for his hair let me know I just don't think it would work I just don't think yeah I don't think it would work no you're the sort of fox you're the housewives favourite boss I'm the bad boy you're the housewives favourite we'll be giving up our roles we'll be giving up our roles we'll be giving up our roles we'll be giving up our roles once we find out one was a massive alcoholic we'll never be the same that's the only thing we've spoken about today we'll see you later