 In New Orleans, definitely, bro, because it's rough down here. Real talk, I mean, there's not money at all on that level. You know what I'm saying? So for them to win like that, to win that big, I mean, you know, you would have to distance yourself from me. Motherfuckers will say, well, excuse my language, they would say peace, baby, or whatnot. Scary leader, state, or whatever they came, you know. It's about the smartest thing they could ever did was lead the state. I mean, their state chairs tore up, man, for real. They could put me in prison at 17 years old for a person I've never seen in my life. If you could do that to a kid, three kids. I mean, what's the chance of, maybe, you know, starting to pee last with all that money in this state? Yeah, we on Boss Talk 101. Yeah, we gonna talk. Yes, indeed. But when you look at Master P and when you look at Birdman, they, KL came on the show, KLC, he was telling me that he had them and soldier slim in his place rapping to body, body, free styling to it. So there was a time when they could be in the same room and embrace each other as before the fame took off. I'm telling you, this is something he spoke of on my show. When Master P met, baby, you was in the midst of that whole thing. Oh, it happened at your spot? No, it happened the spot that you're talking about. Yeah, well, you walked through that new trail. Yeah, it happened in that basement. Wow. How was that? It was, it was. Well, they weren't on the level that they on now. Oh, no, no, because they actually, as a matter of fact, backed about it. P, baby came in there with Skull Duggery. Okay. P came up in there, I think, was silk. It wasn't King George, it was silk. I think, and they were seeing one of his cousins, and I was up in there with my artist, which was Six Shot and Soldier Slim. Wow, that's heavy right there. And there was all up in there free. You say Six Shot, Soldier Slim, Master P, Silk. Man, come on, baby. And who was with baby? Skull Duggery. Come on, man. That's some serious, that's a serious lineup, man. There were up in there, all of them, up in there free-styling over Bowdy. Are you serious? This was before baby got his deal. He just got his deal, and his name was out there. And they were free-styling over Bowdy. Yeah, and, and, and, cause at ice cream, man, we doing some numbers. Dude, this, baby, they been on each other, y'all been on each other all y'all life, really? Me and baby played sandlock football together, man. Oh, man. We went to middle school together. Are you? Wow. That's crazy. And the thing about it, me and Manny, DJ'ed in the same club before him and baby knew each other. Woo-hoo-hoo. I knew both of them before they knew each other. That's crazy. So that right there tells me that that, before the, you know, some Sean Codden said, shout out, Seiji Sean Codden, he said, you never know nobody till they get money. Mm-hmm. Is that true? Well, I mean, I can't speak for those guys. Not, not just just them, but people in general. Yeah, because that changes a lot. And I mean, in the world, it's definitely, bro, because it's rough down here, real tough. I mean, there's not money at all on that level, you know what I'm saying? So for them to win like that, to win that big, I mean, you know, you would have to distance yourself from them motherfuckers or say, well, excuse my language, they would say peace, baby, or whatnot, scary leader, state or whatever they came, you know. It's about the smartest thing they could ever did was lead the state. I mean, this state just tore up, man, for real. If they could put me in prison at 17 years old for a person I'd never seen in my life, if you could do that to a kid, three kids. I mean, what's the chance of, Ava and, you know, Stunner or Pete Lassen with all that money in this state? What, where were you locked up at, again, Phil? Angle, Orleans, Paris, Hunts. So you was locked up with Mac? Yeah, well, I went through Hunts. Mac was on the other side when I went through Hunts. Okay, so you never did a time of this? I never ran into him. But y'all were on the same unit at that time. And because he's another case that I look at down here, I look at the way you guys go through this system and I never hear good things about this system. That's why when I come through here, I come through here. Indeed, indeed. And I'm coming up out of here because it's just like you never hear good things about what it is to deal with that system, that judicial system, compared to the stories I hear just with the young man that was just on here. It's just crazy that you just, is justice ever really served down here? No, not that I know of, not that I know of. Not even in my situation with me just coming home. You know what I mean? I appreciate the fact that the judge and the head district attorney, my judge, found it in her heart to overlook everything that the material that was before and render the decisions she came with. At the same time, they just threw me back out here. I mean, after 28 and a half years, I'm back out in the streets, the city's the murder capital. Again, like I said, when I went in, it was the murder capital. I'm back out here in the little programs they have to try to help fund individuals. It's better than it was, but actually, bro, there's really no assistance for us, bro, you just tossed me out in this world, bro, you know what I'm saying? I gotta fend for myself, I gotta fend for myself. I mean, I gotta feed myself, you know what I'm saying? Or transportation, things of that nature. I mean, and I don't see no compensation for it. I don't see where they're gonna find the actual bags of compensators for it, bro. I mean, they got several guys that came out before me that won legal suits, long suits and things, and they still haven't received any money. So this shit is consistently being, you know, you got mad within the last five, six years, you probably had like 27 guys come home that were falsely accused. How did you pay? Yeah, I just, man, I don't like hearing the stories, but I love seeing you home. Indeed. You know what I'm saying? You look like me, so I love seeing you home, because some people die in that place. Indeed. You was laying by side people that never come at home. Indeed, indeed. You know, I watched a lot of them die. Who's the most person that you've seen that you ever talked to that had the most time when you was down there like, dang, you got three life sentences? Well, one of my partners, Wine, Wine had five life sentences. Five life sentences. He had five life sentences. How was Wine? He had two debt penalties and five life sentences, you know, he just got, come off that road, you know what I'm saying? That was overturned, come off that road. He's still sitting with five life sentences. So how was the conversation? How was this temperature when you were talking to him? Real humble? Man, I mean, real tough, I mean, it's for like, damn, to everybody that went in Angola due to the laws of me, when you get a natural life sentence in Angola, that's what they meant, literally. They should just start, you know, coming around with certain people getting a little played with, man, shit. I'm talking about guys laying next to you 50 years on the books, 40 years on the books. I'm talking about literally, I ain't going nowhere. I ain't got no chance of going home or nothing. Wow. So that's crazy. Me going in at the age I went in. 17. 17, yes. Yes, it was a hard shit. And how old was you when you got out? Ooh, 45. 17 to 45. And for a guy I've never seen in my life. For a guy you've never seen in your life? If his mother is watching this, if his sister is watching this once again, I'm sorry for y'all lost. Like I said, I've never seen your kid in my life and the case now proves that. Wow. So for a case like that, when you would come up for parole or when you would come up, say they thought when you was about to get out or if it was any chance of you getting out, were they campaigning against you? There was no parole. Only reason I got lucky and had parole eligibility because I was a juvenile. Due to me being a juvenile, I had parole eligibility came around like 2018 for me. You know, so with that being said, I didn't wanna go on a parole board because I understood my lawyer explained to me that I would have to, you know, yes, you gonna have to admit guilt, man that's nowhere in the world. There's no way in the world not even to go on. And I'm knowing I've been down for a while. That's what you were talking about. Yeah, but you know how many people do that? Just because they wanna go home to see their kids. Yes, I done watched it. Did you have kids? Man, yes, I had one daughter. Before you went in? Yes, she was three months when I got incarcerated, yes. How did that feel being away from her? That's the worst, that's the worst, you know. Did she come visit? Yeah, I didn't, yes, regular, regular, regular until she went into the service, you know, she went to Houston College, right now she stay out there in Houston. I just come from out there seeing her. So, you know, I had my first grandkids. Grandkids. I seen them on your page. Yes, yes, yes, mother guy, bruh, so all. Wow. Congrats, man. I appreciate that. Because one thing I always would say is hard, it's hard for a person to raise their child from behind prison doors, because it's like I heard some people say, you know, you can try to tell them, but when they're out here, they gonna do what they wanna do anyway. You know what I mean? But a girl is different though. Girls are different than boys though. Girls are a little bit easier to me. Yeah, well, men, you know, just feel the need to have their own independence. That's just in us, you know, not saying women, not, you know, but men just like to be out on their own and be responsible, you know, and so at certain ages, you really gotta lock in on them. You gotta see where they're meant to at, you know what I'm saying? Yeah, we on boss talk one on one, one on one. Yeah, we gonna talk.