 Stan Energyman here, Stan Osterman from Hawaii Center for Advanced Transportation Technologies part of the state of Hawaii's business economic development tourism branch under the high tech development corporation over in Manoa and we do everything high tech and I tell you what last week I had such a good time talking to a boss and we had a little bit of technical difficulties with the Skype cutting in and out But we just barely got started with a boss and I got a lot of great feedback from the show We've asked the boss to come back this week and so boss thanks for joining us again, and I really appreciate your time last weekend this week and you really are You have a way of explaining the drivetrain technology and electric drivetrains and It just seems to all make so much sense when you talk about it And I think it just it comes from your years of experience and you know all the way from working on the the lunar rover projects and EV1 and you know all your Renewable energy background and you know professor the whole nine yards. It just it's just a great conversation with you So you know last week we talked a little bit about your experience in in working in electric drivetrains and how technically they've really really come Along ways they've gotten cheaper and lighter and more more speed production We talked about how the technical side of electric drivetrains for transportation are are really pretty much a no-brainer now everybody just takes for granted that Electric vehicles are the way of the future and then we started talking a little bit about energy storage and batteries and and Hydrogen storage and even liquid natural gas or natural gas storage and using those for for your energy source So maybe we can pick up around there and you can it cuts us up from there and and we'll just keep going into this discussion If that's all right Aloha, good to be In the show again to see particle to PM 2.5 I'm sure you have come a long way decoupled trough trough three is talking about energy source What do we about energy source? Well boss, do you think maybe that that perspective is why? It feels like 2016 2017 we're kind of a turning point for hydrogen where you know, we not only have we we matched the technical Challenges and met them and exceeded but we're starting to actually have more people Adopting hydrogen technology Emotionally and and financially and they're willing to step into that realm. Is that why you think we're kind of at that turning point in hydrogen? That's definitely one of the element of turning point. You see a lot of people getting excited with a power Convenience going to notice Suddenly they are starting to notice the range because if you're going to run a commercial vehicle to shift three shift All that becomes effect. So what is happening is that our end user? Secondary not because they're beyond the first phase. Oh, if you're going to handle well, if you're going to drive well So a good example of this is China Satisfying the concern giving the after right a boss because you know we've had some discussions over here on our micro grid just about diesel generators and just the fact that you're going from tier two to tier four diesel generators and Diesel engines and everything is a huge huge concern for the industry because the cost is just going Exponential on a diesel engine just to clean it up enough to meet the new environmental standards Another thing we run into out here with the electric charging is we have older buildings with no charging units And when they go to put the charging unit in they have to upgrade the utility at the building and that requires putting in a new Transformer and some of those large condominium complexes We're talking several hundred thousand dollars to upgrade the electric Delivery to that building to allow for more vehicle charging and then of course you the best time to charge would be during work Time and we still haven't got a lot of the employers that are willing to put in chargers at the workplace where they could charge vehicles up At the best time for the Hawaiian Lector company to to absorb all that renewable energy So you're right it there there are some the secondary challenges are really showing up now in some of the other and some of the other vehicles I tell you what we're going to take a quick break here and come back and jump right back on that but You've kind of hit a really important point We've made that we've turned that corner on whether these fuel cells are technologically feasible And I think we're even turning a corner on the fuel cell I mean on the electrolyzer production steam reforming and things like that to bring the hydrogen around So we're going to take a quick break and we'll be right back with a boss Goddard's he talking about hydrogen fuel cells and particularly commercial vehicles Hi, I'm Tim Appichella. I'm the host for moving Hawaii forward and the show is dedicated to Transportation and traffic issues in Oahu We are all frustrated by sitting in our cars in bumper-to-bumper traffic And this show is dedicated to talking to with folks that not only we can define the problem But we hopefully can come to the table with some solutions So I invite you to join me every Tuesday at 12 noon and let's move Hawaii forward Hello, and Aloha My name is Raya Salter and I am the host of power of Hawaii where Hawaii comes together To figure out how we're going to work towards a clean and renewable energy future We have exciting conversations with all kinds of stakeholders Everyone who needs to come together to talk about renewable energy be they engineers advocates lawyers utility executives Musicians or artists to see how we can come together to make a new renewable future Tuesdays at 1 p.m Hey, welcome back to my lunch hour stand energy man here with a boss Goddard's you from US hybrid Coming to us live and direct from Torrance, California His main headquarters where he has just shy of 70 people on staff some of them work here in Hawaii Some of them work in California. He's got a also got some operations over on the east coast in Connecticut and I've actually been to all of his locations to to see what he does and how big of his How big his operations and how sophisticated they are and I'm here to tell you as as a person who's hardly impressed I'm very impressed with what a boss has built over the last few years to to encourage people to get into Electric drive trains and fuel cell technologies and I'll be going to visit his Windsor Operations in about a week a week from now week and a half from now. So boss Let's let's jump back to where we were you were talking about we've passed the technology Technological challenges and now we're we're going through the economics and the growth We've pretty much got the fuel cell side going and we're trying to work on the delivery of hydrogen and building of hydrogen stations So let's just wrap that up and then maybe we can talk a little bit more about You know your experience and and your expansion into the fuel cell business Now I ask you a question when we talk about How the fuel cells have matured and and like you say the challenge is kind of on the infrastructure side one of the restrictions on The fuel cells like for for Toyota are the purity level five nines purity Of the hydrogen to get there and the high compression to 10,000 psi What are what do you see as some of the solutions there in terms of? Maybe lowering the pressure Excuse me and maybe reducing the purity requirements That's really good news because you know a lot of us when we're talking over here in Hawaii about the purity requirements That's really a big deal. That's really a huge deal. So I tell you what believe it or not We've already run through our entire half hour here. And so we're gonna we're gonna have to have you back one more time I don't know what we'll do it But we'll we'll probably give you a week break or two before we bring you back But I want to thank you again so much for sharing what you do with us Because it's really really a huge education for a lot of people and I hope that a lot of folks on YouTube will get to See this in the future and and really learn a lot about fuel cells and what you do So thank you so much for sharing your time with us today And we look forward to having you back again and until until next week I've got to be Stan energy man signing off of my lunch hour. Aloha