 Za kufo inatamakaru patrisha kwenwe niwa, kwa hwa mwema beliko kwa mewa lai Nootapu maa yi kwa wé nga walla na uwo nyosbe na uwo ngemi Mwema na uwo uwo ala nga wali, hwya kwa maa maa maa maa maa mwa niwama Ako ka maa kwa maa maa wala hwa nga uwo ngema Yiek na uwapu na maa maa maa maa na maa maa maa maa Yek na uwo nga uwo ngem I do kni-nouwa sb-a kwa maa maa maa mwa was strong and it was evenly spread. You didn't see street traders. They are now on the street because if they are confined to a market, the people in the townships can't even afford to buy a loaf of bread. That's why they are on the street. Not because they are in love with the streets and they want to get soaked. No, they want to end a living. So you have a lopsided economy. Just like you have a national economy which is lopsided. You have people now migrating from the copper belt coming to Lusanka because they think that this is where life is. They think that this is where the money is. They think that this is where the opportunities are. That is what has happened with the street traders. So the way you handle them is to understand that there is a problem here and you saw those men and women and youngsters saying some of us have invested money into this little business that you see. I owe somebody money for these bananas which I am selling. I pay my rentals to pay out of this business that I send my child to school. I feed my family out of this business. Now, let me make this point. There is a difference between poverty and hunger. Big difference. The man who lives in Chiboria, in a house which is poorly ventilated, it doesn't have potable water, is poor compared with the money in Kabloonga or in Nibala. Who are those facilities? But in terms of hunger, the pounds of hunger are the same whether you are in Chiboria or you are in Kabloonga. So first and foremost, all of us need food. More than anything else, the indices of poverty are different. In 1786, the French Revolution came about not because of poverty, it came about because of the increase in the price of bread. That's why the French Revolution where the monarch ended up being beheaded. Give them cake. Yes. So in 1917, the Russian Revolution came about because the factory workers were poorly paid and they couldn't afford a meal. So they overthrew the czar and the czarina and killed them. Back home, near home here, Khaunda in 1991 was voted out of office not because people were poor but because he had increased the price of mill meal to 17 kwacha and it was unaffordable to the ordinary person. So I created this distinction between poverty and hunger. When the HH was swearing in honourable chief justice and other officers 10 days ago, he says, give us time. We are going to offend people because of some of these measures. He acknowledges that he is offending people. He acknowledges that he is offending people. But listen to what he says. He says, I want to make sure that by the end of my term, there are flash toilets in Shangumbu. He mentions a few areas. Now, who needs a toilet if you haven't eaten? No, simple point. I don't need a toilet. I only need a toilet when I've eaten. A minister doesn't need a toilet if he has not eaten or she has not eaten. So look at his economics. It's upside down. Before he can deliver toilets to those people, he needs to make sure that the price of food is affordable for those people to eat. And the man thinks people should jubilate because he is giving them toilets. That's a problem with his economics. And the man says I'm an economist. He used to brag before he got into government, running a country is like running a business. Which business are you talking about? So, I want myself to defend street traders. And I want to say to them, you are not there because you are in love with the streets. You are there because hunger has driven you to those streets. So, how would you handle the street vendor problem? Good question. Once you have defined the problem, this is the problem of economics, then you need a political party, Patricia, that focuses on how to deal with the issue of the economy that delivers to the ordinary person. We need an economy that would deliver to the ordinary person. We need an economy where zambians are at the center of the economic activities of this country. And this brings me to our rebranding of the rainbow party. I said the last time when I was on this program, that we are rebranding the rainbow party, that we are finding... You are moving away from this suggestive name. Yes. You said, how can a man like you ever know? So, we are moving away from this conventionally perceived LGBT advocacy name, because we are not LGBT advocates. We are Christians. We don't believe in homosexuality. We don't believe in lesbianism. So, we have said to ourselves, what should be the name of the new political party? We said the new political party should project the fundamental objective of why human beings live. And human beings live in society because they have to deal with the questions of economics and deliver of food. So, we have rebranding the rainbow party from rainbow party to economic front party, or EF in short. So, henceforth the rainbow party shall be known as the economic front party. We have got a certificate from the Registry of Societies and we will be launching officially launching this name properly. But I thought I should mention this here because I want to discuss this issue of economics. That we want to focus what is it that is wrong with our country. What is wrong, Patricia, with our country is that you have an economic formula which has thrown all the zambians on the periphery of the economic activities of this country. We own nothing as zambians. We struggle in our own country to put food on the table. And this is across the country. So, we want an economy, a political party that will make sure that the street trader, the middle managers and everybody else at least can afford the food before they can afford everything else or anything else. And we have a formula for that. The formula is to do what every other country has done. Bring your people and make them drivers of the economy. And how do you do that? The way you do that is give everybody an opportunity to participate. The people that are on the street, the street traders, you know what message they are saying to you? I can work if you incorporated me in a larger economic framework. I can work. I can work for myself. I can work, you know, for the country. That's a message that, you know, those women get up at 4am to go and get maoda. Some of them 20 head of cabbages. What are they telling you? They're sending a message to you. If you tell me to get up at 4am to go and do a job and be paid a good wage to afford food, I will do it. That's a message that we are getting from those people. What they have lacked is a political party like the economic front now that says, hey, we get your message very clearly. We want you to come into this framework of the economy so that the aggregate activities of all of us can drive this economy and produce goods and services. That's what you mean. Go to garden compound here. If you tell those guys at garden compound, they will tell you 6 hours if you finished afika at the workshop. They have arrived at the workshop. And they are fabricating it. Most of the houses that we build today, if not all of them, we buy the door frames from garden compound. What is it that they are telling you? If you had a government, a ruling party, that can help us improve on the technology that we are using now, which is a beskadi manual, to slightly advance technology, we can give you those that are better than this. We can fabricate door frames which are better than this. So they are saying to you, bring us within this framework of this economy and you will see what we can do. That's a message that I get from these guys only on the street. So they can do it. What they do, they can't walk into any bank and say, I want to buy a welding machine. Can you please advance me with 50,000 kwa? So not give them. So how do you do that? You create a bank where they can come and borrow. Why is it that Patricia, you have this village banking system now, which is beskadi among the women? How come that system... Yes, I know, that's why I said beskadi. How come that system is working? It's a banking system. How come it is working? People are honest, they are able to borrow and pay back to the group. It shows you that if you created a bank as a government where these small scale people can go and borrow, they will pay back. Okay? Why is it that you are allowing shop right, MTN, Airtel to run this money transfer system? I send you obo obo, you know obo. I heard you at the beginning of this program telling somebody, I didn't see you got your bag to go and get 200 kwa. You just use the phone. And yet the 10 kwa that you pay for that money transfer is going to South Africa. It's not staying in Zambia. Why is it that we can't create a money transfer system here, which is indigenously owned? Because the government think that IOMF is the best partner to go to bed with. It's a problem. And we in the economic front believe that all these things are doable and we shall do them. What we need is the support of the Zambian people. We shall cause all these money transfer systems, MTN, you know obo. Let them go and do it somewhere else. You don't do that in Kenya. They don't allow you, you know. And we think that this is more money. The turnover, the turnover in a year, is huge. It's huge. And if you allow that money to circulate in this economy, it can change the complexion of this economy. Are these very difficult things to do? No. But they are difficult if you think that because you have no ideas, your ideas shall be generated by the IMF. That when you are invited to go abroad, then it means you are a very good president. Oh my God. Samara Machiaw is the one who put it very rightly. He said if you hear a foreign person giving me accolades, giving me compliments, just know that I have betrayed you. He says. So how does it pay to be given accolades at the UN when here you can't deliver electricity? How does it pay for you to go and drink tea at the White House when here you can't deliver fuel at Kwaqcha as you promised? How? You are not voted by the UN. How does it pay you to remove mining companies that didn't vote for you and just give a threshold of 4500 Kwaqcha on payee? And then you must tell us that you have done something maverasi and out of this world.