 We don't boss talk one-on-one, one-on-one. Yeah, we gon' talk, we gon' have fun. We be on fire, we be lit, lit. It's a unique hustle. Check it, check it, check it. It's a unique hustle. It's your boy, E.C.O. And I'm here with the lovely, amazing official, Mr. Jamaica. Walk on you to Medell. Man, hey man, we got a special guest here today, y'all. If you guys are in the art, man, you're in for a treat, man. This guy right here, man, dedicated his life to doing different pics, portraits, man. This guy's been paying for many, many years. C-Ray? Yes, sir. C-Ray is one of the guys that I admire. I've been looking at a lot of his paintings, man. A lot of things that he do, it flows around, not only the city, but just, if you see it on the internet, from Iced Tea, I've seen you do, cause I just left Iced Tea interview. I've seen that. Did you do that before the Iced Tea interview or after? It was before. How long before? I saw him do an interview with Big Boy, and he was talking about the TV show and him being the longest running male actor in history. I don't know how long ago in that video, it's probably like at least a month old or something. It's a fresh video, Iced Tea, but I saw that and I said, oh man, I gotta paint that. That's history. Iced Tea, I mean, I love, you know, law and order. I see it in law and order. Because of him being on there, and then you got LL who did this thing later, but I said, man, I gotta go ahead and immortalize that. I'm sure you hadn't seen nothing, just gonna glorify his acting role. Did you send it to him or did you? No, no, I just did it. I just painted it. I mean, there's a lot of stuff that I do. I let God handle it. Like this, I was gonna do it either way. Would you like to get it to him? That'll be a goal. Okay, well, you know how y'all do it, tell me. That'll be a goal, you know. Say it, we'll do it. He's seen it. He has seen it. I don't know. I just posted it. Oh, you posted it? I just did it and posted it. No, because I was wondering if he, like, commented on the needs or anything like that. I haven't heard of it. Have you tagged him in it? I tagged him in it. Yeah, I tagged Coco. I put him on it. So, yeah. I definitely put him on it. You know what I'm saying? Well, I put it in his living room. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? Yeah, because he has a lot of art of them in there. Yeah, that's what we did. But nothing like that one. That's what I was saying. Yeah, I hadn't seen that one. I like doing stuff that's outside the box that, you know, people who're celebrities, they get all type of stuff. Correct. And if I'm gonna do something, it's gonna be something that maybe is you and your daughter. Maybe, I like to come at it at a different angle, you know, so. Who was another one that you tied up? Well, let's go back. Yeah, I was about to say you couldn't even do it. We about jump all the way into it. Yeah. Let's go back. Are you born and raised here in Dallas? Born and raised in Dallas, grew up in Lancaster, though. Okay. When I went to school throughout Lancaster, we both, you know, ended up, and I always did art all throughout Lancaster through my junior high years. And I was painting the barbershop windows at the dollar movie, you know, barber, you know, I always found a way to do art, whether I was doing my friends murals when I was in high school, other than, you know. The murals pay, cause I met some artists like, you know how like when you go small towns and small towns love to do huge murals on the side of like the walls, the banks, whatever. And I always stop and talk to some of these people and when I find out how much they get, I'm like, someone banking some good money. Oh yeah. I mean, mural work is really out there. I started out right when I got out of school, I actually got a full scholarship to go to Art Institute of Dallas from high school. So I went straight to Art Institute cause I like graphic design. And I actually do graphic design as another, you know, as a day job as I do my art. But my whole thing was, I liked to do the mission both really is what I like. You know, I like hip hop music and that type of thing. But I started out doing artwork for family and friends and I even got on the vendors list for DISD. I did murals at women hutch and sock over there with Coach Mays, a few different other schools. So how much did you get for your first paying job? And how old were you when you got paid that? Well, my first paid job actually, well, okay, let me start with this. When I was in high school, I was doing murals in some of my classmates' rooms and they're like, okay. But oh, so they paid you? Oh yeah, they paid. Like they had their parents, like I'm paying born guards and all type of stuff. I think my first payment might have been $800 to do a while. And that was like my probably sophomore year in high school. But my first commission job or job where I made some real money was probably gonna be when I was with DISD. And I started getting the contracts, you know what I'm saying, where I'm doing hallway paintings and that type of stuff. But I always had a love for doing portraits. That's really my thing, doing people, you know? I'm painting, you know, maybe grandma died, you know? And you paint from pictures, you don't always paint like, you know when you watch TV and you see somebody sitting there naked and you had to paint them? I had to do it at artist too. At artist, that was the first time when we had the live models, the nude models and you had to paint them. And it's good for like, where you can learn perspective and learn how to draw form of life form. And that too, yeah, professionalism. How did you feel the first time when you had to paint somebody naked? The first time? The first time? Was it a male or female? It was a female. The first one was a female, then we had a male. But the first time we had a female, these are not like. You're a kid, you're still a teenager. In all of us, we were like 1920 and we're all laughing. Like we're not laughing in front of the model. But we're like, man, we got to draw. And then they give us a, hey, this is serious business. And you know what I'm saying? So we have, these ain't no runway models. These are regular people that we were painting. So it ain't nothing like, oh man, it's like, and it was all about getting the detail. Every wrinkle, everything, you know what I'm saying? And that kind of fine tunes you on your detail. But that was more of the technical side because I'm just used to, I'm more of a street artist because I'm just used to doing two pox and doing the stuff that I like, you know what I'm saying? But it shows you. And you had gotten a scholarship there, right? Yeah, got the full scholarship. So was that the only school that had reached out to you for a scholarship? Or that's the school that you chose? Well, that's the school that I chose. I had like a UNT. I had a couple of options that weren't full rides though. Okay, but this was a full ride. And I always wanted to do, the programs they were offering as far as graphic design was real, couldn't edge back in 97 when I graduated. So I was like, I mean, it's a two year program. You get an associate's degree, but you get to learn all this other stuff that I already knew where I want to go. I want to do album covers and go straight to ad agencies and stuff. I work for Auto Trader Magazine, laying out all the car ads and all that type of stuff. So I got right where I need to get. So that's the reason why you chose them? Yeah, so. I want to, because the other day when you were here, I was telling you about my daughter and at that time she hadn't gotten her scholarship. Well, they contacted us and we did a big thing on our set and they awarded her scholarship to Texas, University of Texas in Austin. There you go. So that was just a big deal. And she was happy about that. Shout out, she over there, sitting down right there now. Okay. But yeah, so after college, how did you, what did you do? And like the first big celebrity that you actually got recognition from when you did their art? Okay, so right out of, when I got out of Art Institute, I got a job at an advertising agency in Arlington to actually, I worked for three months and then they ended up folding. So I was back on just trying to put my resume out there and get stuff. And actually, Big T Bazaar is a DJ named DJ Cap. You know, he's like my big- Cap of the bomb, bomb banger. Cap of the bomb. He was looking for somebody to do some artwork for his logos, the covers that he was doing, all this stuff. And I already had kind of a buzz around the city because people know what I was doing. And he said, man, I need you, you know what I'm saying? I worked for Cap for like three, four years straight. All the way till he ended up moving out of there, you know what I'm saying? But me doing those album covers, I was doing stuff like Stampede records. Like we were doing a lot of stuff whatever acts he was doing, he was tying me into a lot of stuff. But I did that for a while, but how the celebrity stuff finally popped out for me. I know a lot of club promoters in Dallas too. And one of my friends, he was like, man, C-Ray paints his paintings like within eight hours to 12 within a day. I'm real quick on my turnaround. So like my first opportunity, I was working with the men. So what kind of painting is this? Is that water paint or paint? I use acrylic. I use all acrylic because it dries fast, you know what I'm saying? And you don't have to wait on, you know, you can do it on the fly, you know what I'm saying? It depends on the size of the painting of course. Okay. And he was like, man, hey, well, we got some, we got different celebrities coming into the city. What we can do if you want to do a partnership, we'll let you present to these celebs. You tie in us as the promoters, you know, we brought you in and then you can build your following with the celebs and see how it go. We make sure they give you your spotlight on their social media. So it's like you getting the trade off of the payment right then, because you're getting in front of millions of followers. So my first one they had me do was actually Rashida. Rashida was in town. And that was the first one I did in Dallas. And through men of business, we did a whole bunch of stuff from Rashida to man, pretty much everybody, TI, Tray, Slim Thug. So you handed your painting to them personally? Yeah, like with the bottle girls coming out with the bottles, it was a presentation. They had a celebrity cake trist who would give them a cake and see Ray bring the artwork. We bring the artwork out. So it was a whole presentation as a group. Okay, that's dope. And then slowly after that, like... Can we find any of those videos anywhere? Everything is on my IG. So you can see all of that. Everything is timeline all the way back to 2014 when I started it. And I just started doing all type of artwork. My first big one that I did was just off the fly off of social media. I did a painting of Martin Lawrence. The episode with the CD player where he's walking around like, need no brown. That's my favorite, the Who Stole the CD player. I said, I gotta paint that. I painted it and I sat on the painting for a year. We tagged him, never heard anything. I reposted it a year later. I get a hit from Martin Lawrence himself. Through IG, through DM. He was like, amen, I love that painting. How much you want for it? I said, man, you a legend. Just pay for the shipping, Martin. He sent me the information. He said, send it to my people. And we did it. And he was like, man, at that time, he was like, man, you're the only piece of artwork. Your artwork is the only piece I got in my house. And this is Martin Lawrence. And did you shot you out or anything? I'm still in the space right now. All down is it. He's like, man, he did a couple of pains. I mean, a couple of posts with me. At first, because I had a Martin shirt. I did one where he had got lumped up by, you know, when Tommy Hearn's at the moment. I had ordered a shirt and I had that on. And I took a picture by the pain. He posted that first. He said, man, look at this dope artwork. Just before he got it. He posted that first and I ended up shipping it to him. He took a picture of it in his office while he working on his desk and said, hey y'all, because of C-Ray Art, I'm gonna start doing Fan Art Fridays. We're gonna start shining light on all these little artists. And start, you know, doing it like that. But he didn't have to do none of that. That was all God. I just sent it. And I was like, you know, and a lot of this stuff is that. So Martin show, that's a show that me and my daughter, we real big on Martin, you know, we love Martin. I just, so when you think about like that whole 90s run, he had that epic, right? Yes, sir. So would you say, you used to watch that a lot. Oh yeah. Every episode. Well, it was your favorite episode. That episode. That one. See that's the one. That's why I painted it. That's why he painted it. And the fact out, and let me tell you something, I just did another one. Cause my second favorite episode was the one where he did Jodacy. When he came out on the Varnil show. And Varnil, he was a fool on that. Cause he was like, yeah, you know, that's just show business when you tell him, you know. That was my sick. I said, I got to paint it. So I got KC looking pissed off and Martin is singing in the space. And I got Varnil standing there like, man, you ruining my show. So did you send that one to him? I got something in the works, but Martin don't want that. But I got something. It's a surprise. It's good. You love to surprise people, don't you? That's it. I don't like really talking about stuff until it's done. Cause a lot of people will shoot themselves. A lot of my success is because I'm a one man show. I don't talk about a lot of stuff. And it ain't always, it's business to me. When I'm going, when they say, C-Ray, we got a celebrity. I ain't trying to kick it with you or none of that. Let me, here's the pain. Let me, you know, let me get the Photoshop. I did when I made Cardi B, before she blew up. I'm like, man, I'm eating all these people. Then I started doing Earl Spence, Zeke. Let's start getting all these people. Then I'm in the market doing Earl, you know, Dallas to Soda. Earl Spence to Dallas. So what did he say when he, when he seen the pain? Man, Earl done got five more pains from me because you love the first pain. The first one. Yeah. The first pain we did is that, you know, I did one, I forgot who it was. It was one of his earlier fights, but they were having a party for him. And they said, man, do something, C-Ray. And I did it. It was when he had the truth. He had like the American, almost like some Cree type boxes on. And he was like, oh man, you did that, C-Ray. And he's been loyal. He was like, I did his daughters. He hit me up like probably, I almost like to say, hey, I need you to do my two girls. Did that one. And then we done kind of built a relationship. Like, you know, he just hit me when he needs something. Did you ever see him being the box he is today? Did you see him early on? Oh yeah. Oh yeah. I mean, I mean, he's just a cold dude. Even, you know, the Olympic, just following his pedigree of what he's been doing, you know, I already knew who he was going to be. And he had name and it's, people knew it. If you just follow boxing, you knew it. But for him to, you know, just to be having a run, like he's been having even after the accident and even after all this stuff, you know, it's here in Dallas. You know what I'm saying? What's your most favorite fight you've ever seen him in? Man. I think I might, I might have to go with when he went overseas. That's the one. Keel Brooks. That's the one. Keel Brooks. The Keel Brooks one is more. It was more than Dallas. It was America. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And he did Keel, I painted that one and I got him leaning down and I was like, yeah, yeah. So that would probably be the one. That would probably be the one. Earl is different, man. Earl is a guy that, you know, he shows the city justice, man. And, and, and Dary, his, his, his mammoth. Yeah, Dary James. Dary James. I did one for Dary. Dary, Dary Cole, like what they've done for Dallas, man, and to be people that look like us, is something on a whole nother level. You know, when you see him jump in the ring and you know he straight from where you, where you reside, man, how does that make you feel? Yeah. I mean, Earl started with the Shag, you know what I'm saying? You know, but it's love. And just to know that I know him, you know what I'm saying? I'm like, this is a, this is a goat. Isn't he going down in history? When you got people talking about you, like my type, all these, the ghosts know you, you know? And you know you're doing it. Yeah. So he just got to keep his head on and, you know, everybody wants this, you know the fight everybody wants. Yeah, but, but is that getting old? Like, that's getting old because they're getting older. I don't know. I was hyped about it this last time, but it kind of, you start, you start looking like, man, you know, like you don't want to be let down. At the end of the day, they say that, they say, but we're in from him this last time. Said that it was a weight factor. He took another fight before he could get to him and all that, you know, is he running from? Do you think he's running from Earl? I think so. You think you're running from? I think so. Cause Earl done put it out there. He got the shirt. He, what he looking for, but, you know, he been putting it out there. And this always seems like it's always something else. I don't think he's Earl running. Yeah. I have black, black from fight fan on him and black, you know, black say he kind of, you know, I think that a lot of stuff just happened in boxing. And it's the other day he was talking, just a few days ago, he was talking about, you know, kind of backing off the whole, you know, trying to, you know, push that coach in that boxing world. Of course it'll still go on, but I don't think nobody even was bringing essence to it on YouTube like black did when it came down to fight fan and him and the guys and CC them, people that they, the thing that they done was so extraordinary. But boxing became a thing in Dallas. And I think, I think Earl Spence was a big reason that, that, that fight fan even happened, to be honest with you, with black, you know, cause we represent hard for the people that rock with us, you know? It's a glorious time to be in Dallas right now. On all aspects, we just got a lot of stuff. You got Lee Merritt, who's, you know, who's doing stuff with being crump on the legal front. I always fight Tatiana Jefferson, both of them, John. I've been able to work with some people and do some stuff through my art that I always, my goal was like artists, my ministry. And I rather, I rather have a million people on my stuff to make a million dollars. If I make the million dollars, it'll come. I'm not gonna chase the money, but I rather my paintings be that impactful and I'll touch people with what I'm doing. And I've been blessed to have some opportunities through God, just opening doors to where you, I just gotta do it, you know, type of thing. But it's just like to kind of go back to Martin. Martin could have, anybody, he'd get artwork all the time, but for him to pick me out at a, you know, and just kind of, you know, show love like that was, there's more than just us. One rapper that sticks out to you when you did a paint for him that it was like a big deal for you. Let me see. I'm gonna say mode three, mode for one. I'm gonna go with three for one because after he got locked up and came out of jail, Rainwater was already was like, you know, cause I had this stuff for yellow before him, before three, but three, he was really like, when he got the artwork, he was always pictures, he was showing the artwork off. You know, he wasn't just like, oh, I got it or whatever, but he really appreciate it. And I would say that. And then also, I mean, I've done, I've done some stuff, but mode three, how big was that? Like to see him, not that he's passed on, but to have that in your memory bank of him exploring your art, showing your art love, you still can get the visuals and show them the fact that he rock with you. How big is that? How? It's really major cause it's one thing to never, I met him when you sit up there and talk to a guy and you know, it's a real connection. And it's almost like, I don't want to say like no Tupac stuff, but like he was a, like for Dallas, you know what I'm saying, to be around him, you know what I'm saying? And the talent, the singing, he was different. You know what I'm saying? It was just, you know, he was about to blow. He was messing with Boosie. He had a lot of stuff that was finna come down the pipe. And then it's just like, man, why? And it's just like Dove. Dove was trying to get something working for me before he got killed. Wow. I got conversations with Dove right before he died. And he was like, man, where you at? The Dove Museum has two of my pieces on the Papa Museum company, you know, How did you make that happen though? After Dove had passed? Well, I'm in the Trap Museum right now because the Trap Museum, I did a piece of Young G.C. And Trap Museum just reached out to me. They saw it and they liked it. And it was like, Well, who owns the Trap Museum? Well, T.I. is over the shores. Oh, of course. Okay, so he read time to you? Well, T.I. had the curators. So the curators up for the store, like, you know, I do a couple of different people that had the chain of command when I first got over there. But our selector is a shout out to her. She actually, she looks out for me. She was like, she got me on doll stuff, but they already have my GZ in the GZ exhibit. My paint is right there about a snowman. How did GZ end up with it? Did they just ask you for it or did? Yeah, I had to ship it. It's a contract. No, it's real. It's on display. Like I sign a contract every year. So you want to have your pieces selected, you know? So it's a, they do everything legit, you know? And they put stuff up for sale if somebody wants to buy. Wow. I just renew my truck contract every year. And it was, I was selected, they reached out to me. And you don't have to pay to have it in there? No. No, it's a blessing. That's good. Yeah, I don't pay anything. It's an advertisement. And you know, some of our galleries, galleries, they're going to make you do that, but the trap museum is us. What made you do GZ? That's good. I love GZ. I just happened to do it. What you love about GZ? Because you got the mad lils. The motivation of the, I mean, just the whole flow of it, yeah, all that. All that, but it was just, I paint what I like, you know what I'm saying? And I just happened to like that. And I sat on the paint and I did the painting. And it took a while for that to even, but I hold onto all my stuff. So, you still here? Yeah, I am. But yeah, that's how that happened. And it just led to this doft thing, but it's just so many opportunities. It's like networking. Everything is networking. And doing what you say you're going to do. You know, so many people have contacted me on stuff and it's just about, can you do it? If I can't do it, I'm going to say I can't do it. Hold on, I have a question. But what you keep doing all of these paintings, these paintings, you normally do it just out of the goodness of your heart and give it to someone. How much does it cost for you to paint? Now the commission, like what I'm saying, I got commission. No, like, I'm talking about like the paint, the canvas, the time. I love the materials. All of that. How much does it vary? He don't want to give up his game. I'm sorry? Okay. Yeah, I mean, How much does the painting cost like somebody would like to buy one? Like in general, like just depending on if it's somebody can make, it may range anywhere from $800 to $5,000. Okay. Just depending on the size. I do it off the detail. How many people, what subject matter? Cause every paint is different and I hate to go into a paint. You think, you undershoot how long it takes you, but you stuck to a price. Cause that's what you quoted them. And a lot of that, and even with doing dealing with porches and stuff, a lot of that stuff, when you usually do that, when I take on a commission, it's going to be a situation where okay, well, this is how many changes you get. This is how, this understandable. So all of that is okay. Yeah, you got to. Cause the people don't have, you doing 50 million changes. Sometimes, you know, and you want to customer to be happy. That's my main thing. I want you to be happy with what you got. You know what I'm saying? But, yeah. What's the most expensive painting you've ever done? 5,000. The most, the most expensive paint I done actually, so it was a paint I did for the Botham John Foundation though, Cynthia Marshall of the Mavericks. She bought it at a Gala, you know, and then she ended up donating the paint back to the organization. You know, that's just, that's just. A little charity. And she was like, man, I don't know. We're going to do that with 5,000. Wow. That's love. How did it make you feel? I don't know. Bliss, you know, that's what I feel like I'm really doing what I'm here to do. Wow. That's heavy, man. But what makes an artist's value go up? I think when he dies. No. No, really. No, because like you kept up with 5,000 right now on the painting, but like say, somebody stay at a gallery. I know when they die, you sell for a lot more. Their auction, something for way more. Well, let me just say this, y'all. Auctions, like Sotheby's, like the big auctions, you get the right, that's one line of way of getting it. If you get an auction, as soon as your piece goes, say if you go to an auction like Sotheby's, and I got a piece that goes for 15 grand. What's that dude named Jay-Z love so much? Boschia. Boschia paint, he did. Them go for how much? Well, they go for millions now. Millions. But he was getting a lot of money before he died too though, because he was with Andy Warhol. Yeah. He was in New York, he was in Soho. He was in the galleries with all the rich, white, upper etch-a-line artists. He was in the right places. Yeah, and he knew the right people. So you get, and like you said, it's about who you know, and who sets a price point in a public forum. Exactly, because that's the moment you're... No, your stuff was so for a million or whatever. I was no, it's no debating that. Yeah. You know, because we can say stuff behind closed doors. Oh, I sold a paint down in Miami at our bazaar for eight grand. Okay. You could, somebody could, you could easily say that. It's not a record. Sotheby's, you can look online. It's all dated, you know what I'm saying? But do you think like, okay, your value can go up, you have to, it's the way you present it, right? Every artist is different too. Every artist is different. Art, it's subjective. Sometimes it's the art, sometimes it's the artist. It's the story. Cause... Just like the brand. The brand. You pay for the brand and you are the brand. Yep. And that's what I'm doing. Like I say, it's not a lot of artists do like what I do. Cause I've been in art shows, in art galleries and they're like, man, you really, you got a lot of collectors, whether they're celebrities, a lot. We got a lot of artwork, but you got a lot of stuff in collectors' homes. That's another type of value. Exactly, cause that's collectors out there. At the end of the day, and I look back at some of the people that got it, like Martin, like I got, you know what I'm saying, when I look at some of these people that can really speak up and that's going to bring a value if it's at the right. I would think what makes a value too, especially to our art piece, like the piece that you painted for Martin, do you make it where like, I'd never paint that exact piece again? Oh yeah. To make it one and one. To make it one and right. That's the one and one. Cause if somebody else comes to you, he's like, oh, I want that one. Oh, you can't do that. I mean, and it's a lot of artists. And nowhere's the value. If it didn't go to Martin, it's one thing I would have it printed. It's prints of that or that type of thing. But once you know it's gone to the collector, now you got a one and one. Who would you like to paint something for? That you had done already? Obama. Had done nothing for Obama yet? I mean, I've done Obama paints. I got Obama paints. But you'd like to give it to him from hand to hand. But that would probably be, you know, something I would want to do. Obama is one who I definitely know that. When I seen his painting, actually it was in DC at the Art Gallery, at the museum in Washington, DC. And he has a painting in the, I think it's the African-American Museum. And it's very dope painting of him. He's sitting there and he's sitting. Who painted it? That's Kendi Wiley. Kendi Wiley, he's in the chair with Alla Green. That's right. That's Kendi Wiley. Yeah, I went to DC and seen that me and my wife and just had a great time. My daughter, I took her up there because she's so fun to part. We actually took her to the New York Museum as well. Then we did, we did the, that was an art we decided to fly out. And we actually made the road trip when we flew to DC and then we drove to New York. So I just rented a car, drove. I do that a lot, drove over to New York and she, I got actually kept all the footage of it too. It's actually a movement man to where I just want to look at her blossom. So that's dope man. So have you, have you done, done that travel? Yeah, I haven't been to that museum. Like I've been to Cali. I've been to modern museum of art. I've been to Georgia's. I haven't been to that one though. I actually wanted to, I want to definitely go to that museum. That's huge. The Smithsonian. Like I have been to the Smithsonian. That's right. And I actually was crazy as I did a piece for Terrence Crutcher. He was a preacher who got killed in Oklahoma City in Tulsa. He had his hands up. It was on the news. It went viral. I did a painting for his family. And that would, the paint, I put him in a suit and everything cause he had a grill and he, everything on the news, they were trying to show him like he was a hood dude. Yeah, but he was a pastor. And I did a painting to him in a suit and whatever. And it was all on at the funeral. They had about a, about a casket and it made nationwide news. And the family was like the museum, the African museum, the Smithsonian wants that piece. They won. And the family was like, we love it Chris. And I was like, I'll do y'all another painting. Cause that, for it to go there, it's going to have for his legacy. He's been in the museum. Cause they doing one on police violence. They can do a whole section just on, you know, anybody that was murdered by the police. And it's still in the works. So hopefully, you know, that comes to fruition. I hope it happened, man. That's just be. That'll be adult, huge for you. You know, and I wouldn't even try to get in the museum but to have a piece like that that means something of, you know, one of our people that got killed by the police. That's where I want to be. You know, I want to help. And what it helps is that you have such a fast turnaround. So when you see something, you can just like, okay, I'm going to do this right now and get it out there. A lot of people can't do that. They wait like days or even a week to finish their piece. And that's the big thing too. Cause I'm never wanted, I'm not a cloud chaser. I don't like doing a lot of stuff. Cause a lot of pieces I do, they have something to do with death. For one, once you do a painting of a love one, a lot of times that people, a lot of family members won't paint after that. I want to, and I tell them right, I'm only doing one. Cause I don't want to charge out for one. I'm going to have to charge out if it's my time. But I don't even feel like this. I don't want to be painting a bunch of dead memorial pictures. And I don't know, it's just the way I'm thinking. You know what I'm saying? Have you ever gotten emotional over a piece that you were actually painting? Both of them, John. I did both of them, John. For one, he was in Dallas and there could have been me. You know what I'm saying? So, uh. That was a tough one for you to do? Yeah, yeah, both of them, definitely both of them. You know, you sit in your house eating a bowl of ice cream and oh, she's in the wrong place. Really? You get killed in your, I mean, that could be anybody. You know what I'm saying? And this guy's from St. Lucia. You know, he was supposed to be big time in St. Lucia. He was doing stuff here to go back and give him St. Lucia. And you just never know, but that one really hit me. And then me knowing the family and just seeing them, I made it a dedication to myself. I said, whatever y'all do with this foundation each year, I'm going to make sure I'm a part of it. Whether it's a pain I donate or something that we can raise money for his name. He has the street, both of them, John Boulevard on the south, that's okay. But we really need to do what else do we got for him. Right. You know, so. Wow. Well, we want to take you, we see you brought us something. So we want to take a look at it, see what you got to unveil. Money Moses, come on over here. You got to be over here for this said. Yeah, you got to be over here for this said. The brother revealing his pain for us. What's the best way for me to do this? We got all kinds of cameras hitting you, man. So right here, you good right there. Yeah, you good right there. But it's just something, man, I want to do, man. Give y'all y'all roses about y'all here to smell them, man. Man. Y'all give them roses to everybody else. You know what I'm saying? So I just want to do something. That's hard, man. Come on over here and get a good view of that, man. That's hard right there, man. We appreciate you, man. See, Ray, them put it on us, man. You know what I'm saying? That's hard, bro. Y'all appeal us in the community. Hold it up a little higher. Y'all appeal us, you know. Yeah, right there. I hate it, right, yeah. I know. I got it. You know, Money Moses, you know, shoot all of y'all and you know what I'm saying? Thank you so much. Thank you so much, man. That'll work, man. Give me a hand clap for somebody, mother. You can't hear that man in the theater. That's hard, man. He got my braids. I mean, I ain't got the braids in right now, but the braids, the detail on the braids are dope. And hold on. I couldn't. No, you see, he had to show ECEO Waves, though. You see them waves, them waves be popping. Man, I appreciate that, man. You know, that's big, man. You know, that's the first art that we've ever received for sure. And man, that'll be on the wall in here, man. Definitely, man. We're gonna make that a part of the show. Exactly, definitely. We gotta make that a part of the show, man. Definitely. Just appreciate the love and respect, man. For you to come out and do that for us, man. That's huge, man. Yes, sir. Let me get a picture with you there in a minute. We'll do it in about three of us in a minute. Sit back down. Let me talk to you a little bit, man. That's hard, right? I can't keep my eyes off of that, man, and especially the way I'm expressing, you know. You see, it's almost like I'm looking at you and you looking at me too, like we love. No, I'm not looking at you right there. I'm focused on the, I'm focused on... Where you with these pictures, bro? What? Where you with these pictures, bro? Hey, you, you was doing an interview. I did a screenshot. I can't even remember. You were debating somebody about Boosi. Oh, dang. I can't see everybody. That was in Waco. I can tell you, in Zaco, we were. Yeah. Had to be in Waco, though, with, uh, with, uh... Can I look up? Mike Frisch? Yeah, Mike Frisch. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That expression on your face right there is... That's where I know from. This is Zaco where I'm from. Man. But I had to go down because I went to ECO's page and I was like, man, let me see what I got. Cause you got an IG, but I think it was, it didn't have no photos. You got a page or something. Yeah, it ain't got no... It wasn't, no, no, no. And I was like, man. That's what I wanted. Okay, I might have been on... He got a couple of them. Okay, I might have been on... I be on him. Believe me, it's something on there, Vee. I be on him. He gonna have something on there. He ain't gonna know. I just went to YouTube. I said, let me put, let me just put money modes on here in Boss Talk. And a few of them came up. I said, oh yeah, let me get that angle. Cause I know I was gonna have you on the other side of them. But it's so crazy how you can screenshot something from a video and get it so precise. That looked just like her. Thank you. It was crazy. Hey, we got it. It was just like love. We got it. That's crazy. How long did it take you to do that pain? Probably about 14 hours. Wow. I was about to say non-stop? No, half a day and then it did it another day. 14 hours and you... But after I left, you know, last time I was here with you guys, I was on... I was on when you wasn't. Now you were subtle though, but you showed me so much love though. But you didn't have to... A lot of people, I be around a lot of people and just to see how you handled it when I was a camp guy. Man, I'm gonna make show, man. It's always like that. That's who we are. It ain't no face. Y'all are a lot like me. We do whatever to help the people, man. I'm doing it through the top. Podcast. Man, we love our people here, especially in the Dallas. Dallas showed us so much love and embraced us so much and built the foundation here. You know, it's big, man, the way the show didn't took off. But it's just a remarkable thing. When you talked about Captain Dubum, you know, that's my guy. Really, that's my real... Like we talk on the phone. We gonna be on that thing for a minute because we always showed each other respect before boss talk. It just better. He knew this story was here and stuff. Oh, we gotta say so much love to my guy Bobo. I'm Bobo. Shout out to Bobo. I just talked to him before I came on the show. And that's how I seen you. I was really like, what the hell is going on when I seen that PMC? I'm like, you know, I'm a PMC fan, bruh. So when I seen that, I seen him burn, I see him feel... And we saw it before he actually pushed out the show because we went over there to help him and look over everything and everything and see how we can help him. He don't see on that thing, man. That's all Erica, right? And then you did everything every time. I didn't see it in person. Not in person. Bobo got one coming to him. You know he got to get him in Jackson County. But he wanted me to do one with him with the chainsaw. You know, when he was doing Psycho Bobo. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, man. Yeah, yeah, no, he definitely got a history. We hit that UGK history and him, man. Love, Bobo. They'd been on here, actually, he came on here before he even started doing interviews. Started with a podcast. Anything, this was where, you know, I was... If you rocking with me on that phone, you rocking with me on that phone, you know how I rock, man. It's always motivation and push and nigga-wide and why we ain't doing this and let's do that, you know. Because we only here, man, but life is but a vapor, man. That's it. Just appreciate the love and respect, man. And what if a person wanted to get a painting from you? How would they get a hold to you, right? The best way to hit me is actually, you can go to my website, www.c-rayart.com, and I got an email link. You just put your question in there and I check my emails. Or I'm on Instagram, c.ray.art, and you just hit me in the DM. You mean, and do you have kids? Yeah, I got four kids. Wow. I was gonna bring that up, man, because when I got married, well, I'm divorced now, but my wife had two kids and they in their 20s now, but they both, they both went to Skyline. And with me being from Langston, whatever, but they, you know, they big on Skyline, and like, make sure you mention us in Skyline. Hey, no boss talk, somebody say no boss talk, you gotta get that in there, baby. Do any of them do art, though? None of them do art. None of them do that. Now my baby girl, I got a five-year-old, and she's my ride or die. She be with me in the studio at the house, so she might be my best bet. Man, check it, man. Hey, man, if you watch Boss Talk 101, make sure you become a member of Boss Talk 101 on YouTube, or either you can hit us on Patreon for those full-length interviews early. Like I said, man, you guys, man, been rocking with us. We love you guys, man. Like and subscribe to Boss Talk. Money Moses said that. He on the set right now, guy. Brittany Loso is in here, too. We about to get into it. We got a whole bunch talking to do. Did she went out? I don't know. Oh, okay, she'll be back though, man. We gonna, we gonna, we gonna get busy tonight. She missed the reveal, though. Bro, this detail, perfect. Man, hold up, man. I'm excited about the pain, man. Hey, man, it's been another great segment. A Boss Talk 101. C-Ray, we love you, baby. Hey, man, appreciate y'all. You got your hands out, right? Me. Say, say, it's been another great segment. A Boss Talk 101, what a boss's talk. And we out.