 So those of you who enjoyed the video I had we had a really fun thing today when Justin brought me in on his twitch stream Yeah, I was preparing for today's show So you got to see us making sausage Justin well It's not not unless you make it that yeah I mean, we're not making it with our sausage. We are just making sausage Have some decorum seriously Anyway, what's the what's the word of people go if they want to catch that? Twitch.tv slash Justin are young and of course all the all the the archive footage is always on diamond club TV So yeah, you can always check that out But yeah every Thursday morning, I read through it's basically like a little You know my ruminations on the the stuff so we can make a better show here in the afternoon So you what you can do is go watch that or even go into the archives on diamond club them and and watch it Then watch this show. Yeah, pair and then and then yell hypocrite at us. I mean a lot of it is like it's it's it's a I really loved it because it was like the kind of newsroom sort of talk that that I don't I don't do anymore. No totally and It's you know, it's it's funny like in our pre and post show here Yeah, we hold ourselves to a different standard of behavior and rhetoric than we do in the main show and Sometimes that's enjoyable in a different way and it was the same sort of thing on Yeah, I mean this is a primarily audio podcast, right? So you have to adhere to the best practices of a really good Audio podcast especially considering the franchise that this show is kind of born out of and you know, you respect that and that's super fun I love doing it, but also it's it's cool to expand a little bit It's cool to let me rant about coverage of Yahoo Yes, I know also there's a lot of like like any good newsroom the majority of the cut of the conversation is Covering the coverage that is covered elsewhere. Yeah, totally Alright, let's get this show on the road. Shall we? Let me disappear All right here we go Daily Tech news show is powered by you without you there's no show if you don't already support us find out how to at dailytechnewshow.com slash support This is the Daily Tech news for Thursday, January 12th 2016 I'm Tom Marijoe and I'm Justin Robert Young host of politics politics politics weird things.com night attack So many other things. How you doing Justin? Oh, man, just trying to keep busy, you know, uh, keeping some irons in the fire You know starting a fire buying some irons throwing the two together having a good time Watch for Justin to be brought up on allegations of arson soon Podcasting neighborhood. I'll tell you what I don't think I'll ever be let back on that golf course Hey, we we do this from time to time when we have so many good substantive emails from people Yeah, that we just we just want to focus on your thoughts and kick those around. So that's what we're doing today We we try to come up with a new alliteration depending on the day the first time we ever did it was Friday So fan mail Friday made sense. I'm thinking your thoughts Thursday for this one because they're your thoughts What do you think? I think that yeah, no your thought Thursday is It's almost avant-garde, right? You know, I feel like I feel like it is it is indeed your thoughts That doesn't mean there isn't stuff in the news Amazon said Thursday plans to create a hundred thousand full-time jobs in the US over the next 18 months A lot of those are in previously announced new warehouses Google's updated google maps to show where uber drivers are and let you book an uber ride without leaving the google maps app That's handy We're going to cover the nintendo's 11 p.m. Eastern Thursday night switch Announcement the announcement of their brand new game console on tomorrow's episode of dtns And in uh satyr news the crowdfunded autonomous quadcopter camera lily has closed after failing to secure financing for a full-scale production Refunds will be delivered within the next 60 days startups Are hard indeed Now here are some more top stories Wall Street Journal reports apple is talking with veteran tv and movie producers About commissioning high quality scripted series netflix level stuff even some movies The journal sources say the projects would start with a handful of carefully selected shows and movies no deals have been made yet And according to the journal one of the hold-ups is people wondering well How are you going to Distribute this you're going to put it in apple music or you're just going to sell it through the itunes store You're going to start your own streaming service apple has some original content already carpool karaoke documentaries an upcoming series based on the life of dr. Jay and distribution is either through apple music or just in the itunes store so far you know this is in in Simultaneous ways uh kind of the best and the worst of apple within the last three to four years right number one Probably the best new thing that apple has done in the last five years is apple music They hired the right person in jimmy ivy and it's continued to steadily grow It seems like its business model is relevant to the field that they were getting into Apple has had a fairly cruddy record in terms of internet services. This is a bright spot You would think that bringing in especially High end very polished kind of content is something that apple wants to be a part of and yet It is indicative of apple's problems of where does this go and anybody who's tried to navigate The itunes store over the last you know three years can realize that if there's one problem Is that the solution for everything over the last 10 years for apple was well jam it in itunes the store It's an itunes how to manage your device. It's an itunes Everything is in itunes. I hope that they can figure out a way to give these projects the kind Of oxygen they're going to need yeah My initial thought is they've got this brand new tv app The home button on apple tv takes you to that tv app the tv app is Eventually hopefully going to get integrated with netflix and other services so that it becomes the place at least apple hopes that you go to if you're using an apple tv to watch stuff And that is the perfect place for apple to say hey, we've got our own shows just like they do when they have these These itunes sessions right and other original music. They just put it in itunes alongside the other music You put it in the tv Show app and you can make it available for free. You could say yeah, you don't have to pay You just get access to it as long as you're using an apple tv or maybe an ios device And then if you want to buy it for using on other platforms like windows, etc You can pay for it that way if you want My suspicion is that the hang-up isn't so much about that as a distribution method but How much the production company should get paid Based on that because they know how much they should get paid based on A tv series that's going to air on a certain network and get a certain amount of ratings And then they get to keep the syndication rights. They know how much they're going to get paid by netflix Who says we're going to stream this forever, but we know about how many people that's going to mean We're not going to tell you that number, but it's worth this much to us Whereas with apple it's a distribution method. We're like Okay, so it's tied to one device and you don't know how many people are going to watch it We want to pay want you to pay this much for it and apple probably doesn't want to pay that much It also seems like the easy way for them to do this Is to do what amazon has done what jeff bezos has done is and just fund some some series right funds some movies that gets you you know Like jeff bezos was there at the golden globes There's no reason why when something wins best picture something wins best foreign documentary or something like that at the oscars The producers are the ones who walk up. You want tim cook to be the one that says I am now a purveyor and therefore apple is now a purveyor of high end content And we are continuing the legacy of steve jobs who You know was was obviously so influential in owning pixar and bringing that company along to where it is today Down to the fact that they wound up, you know dominating disney at the end of it. So like This is I think where they could start doing it, but you're right There is a question because unless they You know hashtag apple rumor were to buy a streaming service And then make it their own in the way that they did beats to apple music I don't know if this has in in in where we have now There is a clear a to b. This is where we buy it. This is where we show its solution I forgot I forgot who I was talking about and when you were talking about tim cook coming up on stage When a when a movie funded by apple wins an award It clicked with me and the way that the movie is distributed the way amazon distributes it 90 days in a theater So that it gets the qualification to be considered for awards and then for sale Now with amazon they also make it available for amazon prime video But like you said apple doesn't have that apple's probably going into these meetings saying yeah um, so here's what we do a production company you make this movie and or Or tv show We split the receipts for the theater if it shows with the theater and then we give you 30 percent of every sale period Right like that's how apple approaches this stuff and the production company is like no We need like a budget that's this level and i'm sure apple's not being so stringent that they they wouldn't give them a budget But I bet they're saying yeah, and what you'll really get paid is 30 percent of every sale If it doesn't sell if you make a crappy show, uh, you don't get as much money But here's the question To do music apple needed ivy Who is that for movies? Who is that for television? Well, yeah, and the rumors go wild about apple buying netflix because apple's got enough cash to buy netflix I still maintain that reed hastings is not in any hurry to sell netflix Uh at this point, so I don't think that happens at least not yet. I'm not saying it would never happen in which case Jason collars out there kicking around vessel, uh, didn't end up doing what he thought it would do You could probably get him for cheap to come in and create something from from scratch The knock on apple is cloud services ain't so good there, but they are still pouring lots of money into data centers They applied for permission in arizona to build their own machinery to put in their own data centers They are committed to cloud services They may have enough hubris to say yeah, we'll just roll our own hire the right people You want to know what I would almost say the the apple playbook at least if we're going to follow the ivy and hire Is to look for somebody That has ran a network, right or who or has ran a movie studio? That you then say or has run a successful streaming service. Exactly. Yeah, yeah And say, you know what you know this industry, you know, which which festivals to go do you know when you're getting fleece I mean almost like a harvey Weinstein or something like that Like that's you go hire susan williams away from from youtube originals Maybe or somebody like that who's who's gone from the studios to a streaming service like youtube or amazon And and has all the experience. Yeah, the usfcc issued a report on wednesday saying that at&t's direct tv now video service and verizon's free db data 360 video service Violate open internet rules because of the implementation Of zero rating the report claims that the telcos charge competitors too much for the exact same zero rating The companies give their own products t mobiles binge on service, which does not charge Participants was not found to be in the same violation FCC chairman tom wheeler will step down next friday Yeah, so This is very interesting because I think This is top wheeler Just kind of denying reality and putting his head down and Because he was a former lobbyist He put himself in the situation where he's like no, I have to do what is always right no matter the realities of the situation That that's how we saw him play it out. I'm going to put into effect open internet guidelines that try to satisfy all stakeholders I'm not going to prefer anyone i'm going to work against my own biases And he's still doing it because man this is not going to be enacted when when agit pay or Whoever steps in as interim chairman next friday comes in This is over like this this this will have no effect Except for precedent and and going forward who knows whether or not it will be value valuable But I think that is something that he wants to say hey look we set up these rules Here are things that go Past the rules. I want it as long as these rules are here and these are being enforced I want it to be known that this is what this means. So I mean, you're right This is him kind of railing against the dying of the light, but at the same time He's holding to it Yeah, good for him Sure. Cheers. Good job. Good sure Uh htc announced the 5.7 inch u letter u ultra and the 5.2 inch u play phones Both phones have an all glass exterior. They're very glossy. They come with the sense companion htc's version of a Of a virtual assistant both use usb c for the headphones So no mini jack carrying on that trend the u front facing camera Uh the u ultra has a two inch second screen at the top to the right of the front facing camera for notifications and shortcuts music controls stuff like that Also comes with a micro sd card I know a lot of you guys uh care about that and that can work with up to two terabyte cards 3000 milliamp hour battery So not huge and the u play the smaller one only has a 2500 milliamp hour battery The u ultra with 64 gigabytes of storage is up for pre-order right now for $749 You can get it in blue black white or pink It ships to taiwan starting at the end of january and the rest of the world starting in march The u play will be available later this spring no price announced yet And there is a limited edition sapphire screen version of the big one the u ultra that'll have 128 gigs of storage They didn't give us any price or release date on that On a side note to this htc announcement. Let's just pack in all of uh our little cell phone news here together The korea herald has sources that say samson's working on a fold out phone for release this autumn That would turn into a seven inch tablet when you unfold So both of these are kind of uh, uh the the next evolution of phones I think the htc one is probably uh, uh incremental enough to not necessarily warrant much more Conversation except to chastise them for not bringing out war and sap to extol the virtues of the u But as far as the samsung rumors go Is this I mean like do we need like we're on the grand scheme between gimmick And awesome step forward Is a bendable flexible phone like this I don't think anyone knows anymore phones have become such a commodity People don't really want to replace them if they don't have to as much Especially in the stronger markets of the world and So you see lg display saying hey, we've got an 18 nine aspect ratio of phones You've got more screen space to do stuff you see htc saying we've got a second screen built in So we don't even need your 18 nine screen lg We can do all this cool stuff here and isn't that cool you can get all these controls And then you have samsung maybe doing a fold out phone for the first time and that's been those kinds of phones have been rumored forever Everybody's trying to figure out what is the thing that will make people say? Oh, I do need to replace my phone because I wanted that and it's it's There hasn't been anything in 10 years that really overturned how phones use other than size Yeah, and even then it it piggybacked on and we saw a lot of the tributes with the the 10 year anniversary of the iphone The big innovations then a decade ago Which was the real internet in your hand pinch and zoom not mobile web pages not crappy little placeholders This is the same web page that you would see and now obviously we've had things optimized now But those are better experience as opposed to what we had before which was crappy placeholders Uh, so now a wider phone a bigger phone a faster phone A phone with more battery gives you better access to those still those fundamental elements I don't really have a whole lot of faith for a flexible phone Uh, particularly because the problem that everybody is facing right now is not only do you have to differentiate yourself In a very very very competitive market that is increasingly becoming commoditized, but you also can't sacrifice Anything else that we've already gained you can't sacrifice the battery life You can't sacrifice the the screen sharpness. You can't sacrifice The the connectivity to to to your phone to make sure that you always get the best signal So anything that you do even if it's avon guard even if it's cool Even if it's something that you've never seen before Has to still do what every other phone is doing right now, but better and that's the problem If you advance into things that operating systems on laptops can do that phones can't you run into well That really doesn't work well at this screen size or that's something that only tom merit cares about and most people Don't give a crap. Uh, and so they're fine with the way their phones work now Like I I think it's a really good point. There there is a there you you can't sacrifice the things that phones do well that people like right now So far no truth to the rumors that samsung is considering adding minor league updates for the uh, st. Louis cardinals farm system, uh, you know in in their in their drive to only make phones that tom merit cares about Hard coded in exactly apra has released an experimental browser called the opera neon for windows and mac built on the blink engine Tabs of here is a round bubble on the right a sidebar to the left has audio and video controls A screenshot button and access to downloads if the screen is widened up You can put two browser browser tabs side by side in the same window The new tab page serves as the bookmark page and shows the desktop background image As it's background, uh, you know, this seems like a thing that has really sort of uh, A bubbled up again yet another field in which everything is kind of Incrementally better, but now you've seen this this a web development push to like hey Let's rethink email with inbox like like let's rethink stuff with with uh, you know All these different new ways to tackle it and some of them are more successful than others and ultimately the best features Get rolled into other stuff is the opera neon Something that grabs you tom It does and the reason it grabs me is because it's an experimental browser opera is not saying this is our next version There's I like what they're doing here. They're they're essentially Supercharging the beta and saying let we put out a full browser It's not it's not just a beta version of the next version of opera Because we want to try some stuff that's really different and we want to see if you guys like it So go try using this. We're taking a desktop metaphor We're we're trying once again that decades-long dream of the browser overtaking the desktop We're we're gonna play with the metaphor. We're gonna get rid of the bookmark tab. We're gonna get rid of the task bar We're we're gonna see if all of these ideas flop Or succeed and then that'll help them make a better opera browser and opera has often led the way God love these people like opera vivaldi brave All these other browser makers who who are pushing the big guys like chrome and safari and firefox By like starting over fresh and saying, you know what the problem is with browsers They're got too much legacy code in there. So let's let's try something fresh and see what we can do when we don't have those constraints anymore I kind of feel like opera opera kind of has like this like team mobile vibe about it lately Where it's just like, you know, they're just doing stuff that people like it's just like, you know, it's it's it's cool It's it's interesting. It's refreshing. Yeah Facebook page businesses and brands can now go live with video streams from desktop and laptop computers Or at least they should very soon. I didn't have it for daily tech news show, but it should come Previously facebook page users could only go live from a mobile device or by using the facebook live api So now you can just log in on your laptop to your facebook business page and go live right from there using your laptop's camera Also page operators can designate live contributors. This will be big for newsrooms So that someone can stream to the page without having to access other administrative functions So your social media manager doesn't have to give his account to the reporter They can just assign the reporter say you don't need all the admin functions But here stream live on our page profiles with more than 5 000 subscribers now get access to metrics things like views time spent viewing engagement That sort of thing I am Flummoxed by facebook's live video because it seems to be in this very very weird mushy middle of We want everyday people to use it or We want to pay brands to make top of the line first run awesome live content And and I I have no doubt that their goal is to attract both But they put a ton of advertising into What even in their advertising examples I was walking through sfo over the holidays They've got these gigantic ads that are about Do a live stream for four people you see like the number four people watching In in the top like and and that's the same exact product That is supposed to be there like in the image. We just showed which was like one if the moon landing was on facebook live Here's 600 million people watching it and that's what they want to do with these Like these these page streamings and now it's like okay What this really is is okay if you're a business if you've got a bustling facebook page Hook up a tricaster Let's make sure that you produce studio quality Content because now it's easier to do you don't have to hack it by running it through a phone or get some secret Facebook blessing to do run it. You know through your browser I mean honestly the facebook live api if you just make that more widely available does exactly what you're talking about If you're going to the trouble of hooking up a tricaster Then you should be able to just plug the api in there. It would be easier than having to go through the facebook page So it's it's striking the middle like you say of hey We want to make it easy For you to make higher quality So we're giving you another way into doing live rather than having to use the phone if you haven't been working with us closely on live Yeah, anyway, I I totally blanked on the fact that yeah, like you could run it through wirecast and stuff like that And and that's that's been available for a while. I I don't know I mean I think that Obviously video has a place on facebook and live video certainly has a place on facebook Uh, I would love for them to kind of step up their chat game Uh and make it a little bit of a better place for people to hang out for longer periods of time and not necessarily make it So tied to the comment system Uh, but you want to know what? I would also like that in our next story because youtube has replaced its fan funding option And uh replaced it with something called super chat that lets viewers Pay to have their chat messages pinned to the top of a chat stream for up to five hours It's rolling out to select creators today and then all creators in 20 countries and viewers in 40 countries starting January 31st this again focused on live streaming fairly specifically tom Uh, well, what do you what do you think? Okay, when I saw this and by the way my wife no longer works for youtube. I just want to disclose that Uh, I I thought Uh, first of all, I think selfishly probably not something I'll use I usually keep the youtube chat off so that everybody focuses on the diamond club dot tv chat And also it just was filling up with spam Second thing I thought is if I turned this on that's what would happen Is someone would put their viagra pill Advertisement and pin it to the top of my chat and it would be another thing that I would have to pay attention to To try to figure out Uh, and the but the third thing I thought is hey, you know what if you're lamar wilson with a million subs And you want to go live This is a great way to make some more monetization and and treat your fans And then I looked at twitter and I saw that Justin rubber young Said that this Is bad. Why is this bad? This is bad not because it's a bad idea Uh, although i'm sure that there's plenty of people in purple hoodies Uh, one of which is my wife who works at twitch that will probably say yeah, I liked it better when it was called cheer crystals Uh, but that's not a bad idea, right the idea of recognizing people You know giving somebody a monetary way to support a streamer that also gives value to them is good And I think that there are going to be people that have gigantic Followings on youtube That are going it's going to be worth it for them to have more live streams And give people a reason to give them whatever amount of money it takes to pin A comment up there at the top My larger problem is that if you do not already have a massive install base If you don't already have a massive subscriber base for your youtube channel I just don't know how effective youtube comments are as chat Uh, they they they don't have great moderation tools They they are not focused on keeping a chat community and it to be fair It is something that twitch has done well And when you talk about the difference of a standing community for twitch live streamers and youtube live streamers Which makes people want to go live more a large part of it is for twitch. It's easy to mod people It's easy that they now have auto mod, which is a constantly Refreshed way to keep stuff out of uh chats before they even get there at least the easy to Strain easy to catch kind of stuff. Uh, it's easy to uh to unmod people to ban people It's only a click away. You can do it on mobile and those are the kind of rounded edges That I think Differentiates those two products. So yeah, it's a good idea I just think it's a better idea when you already have a rich chat culture Which youtube I think has failed to do I I think that's fair and I would say you're not really saying it's bad You're saying that the product that it is that it is being put into is not good enough For this to to make much of a difference and I I agree with that if that's what you're saying, which is like This isn't gonna save anything The fan funding before just was never really promoted. It was never pushed in front of people And so that's why it probably didn't work. So giving something for participation probably has a better chance But and like you say unless you've already got a vibrant youtube chat community, which some channels do have This isn't going to change thing but also What's easier to schedule more live content to write outside of your comfort zone so you can do live chats Or to just look for another sponsor That's probably going to make you the exact same if not more amount of money that you can more easily leverage You know that that cash the reason why fan funding failed for youtube is because And we know very very well as independent creators You are very nervous when it comes to a flow of money like you need like There's a reason why you don't see a ton of new banks popping up, right? Like like the new banks that we see are usually just rebrandings of of other places that have a history Of taking in money loaning money stuff like that Yeah, we don't it's not really exciting to be like. Oh, here's a renegade bank that might go away tomorrow That's that's uh, you know the opposite of what you want Patreon has worked very very very hard to be as stable as possible for a long time They're not going to change their algorithm. They're not going to change Uh different stuff. It's a very simple proposition come here instead of a page plug it on your thing We'll give you the money and we're working hard to get What you're saying is you you as a creator don't want to spend time promoting something that you're worried is going to get shut down or go away Absolutely, and that's the problem is that for youtube a you have an inherent problem Where you're also the gatekeeper and the fact that well, why do I want to give you a cut of my money? I'm a creator if I believe you're screwing with the algorithm that now devalues My videos which has been a consistent problem for them over the last two years And and you know might go away which you just did so now you have you have inherently Well it went away because you people didn't use it because you were afraid it was going going to go away So self-fulfilling prophecy or however you say that Uh, no, I I I think it's yeah I I think that if youtube had made a bigger deal out of the fan funding and put it front and center That it might have had a chance, but It was hidden and you're absolutely right creators already have Reliable revenue streams this would they weren't going to throw all their efforts into promoting that and and even more than that Revenue streams that they could continue going If they left youtube Oh, sure. You just want to get everybody off of youtube. I get it. No, no, no, no, no, no, but that that's it That's a that's a platform Agnosticism has its perks. Yeah, absolutely. Believe me to get all the tech headlines each day in less than 10 minutes Subscribe to daily tech headlines dot com available on amazon echo It's because we just talked about platform independence. That's a look at the top story All right, uh, it is your thoughts thursday folks and we got some really good emails from some insiders some anonymous sources Uh, let's start talking about amazon echo with jeff Who said I was very close to buying an amazon echo as a gift for someone probably because I really wanted one myself But I realized that until the key feature of customized and personalized wake words is addressed I will not be buying or using any voice activated assistant products from anybody for anyone I consider it absolutely ridiculous that someone else on the television radio phone or in person can accidentally activate my Assistant only I should be able to do that It should respond only to me and with whatever wake word I desire to me This seems like a bit like making a car but not worrying about the braking system This is not just an amazon echo issue as far as I know None of the other voice assistant products and similar features on smartphones have customized and personalized wake words either So I get that it must be a hard problem. However, whoever gets this feature to work properly first We'll begin the next generation of voice activated assistant products And until then I will wait and laugh at all of the silly things that happen to people with the current generation of these products So I I think it's not nice to laugh Jeff, but yeah number one. That's not exactly polite number two I think that the market has decided that Jeff's priorities are secondary to the priority of it works Even if I'm three rooms away. Yeah, it works Even if it's my daughter saying it instead of me and we don't have to go through 15 minutes of training The the the device to recognize another voice right and mark it as approved so I think he's right and I think that as we go forward Absolutely the I would expect in the next five years that there are going to be smart solutions to it And now that we've all bought into the idea of having always on microphones in our house and having many of them So we get as much surface area as possible that will be more interested in spending that 15 minutes for it to learn our voice So the tv doesn't accidentally operate it Yeah, I don't know if it needs to be 15 minutes Uh, I I think I think and I think the key is not creating customizable, uh wake words Although that would be interesting but more Training it like a fingerprint sensor to say oh, I'm going to recognize your voice And that's a machine learning problem that I I don't know where it is But I think if it was easy it would already be in there. So Uh, it involves some cloud processing for sure. It is something that is doable though. Absolutely doable Uh, it's it's just a matter of making it easy. And I think like you said the trade off has been Okay, we hear about the san diego news announcer who causes a bunch of people to accidentally order dollhouses We hear about the one guy who Cancelled his patreon for daily tech news show because veronica laughed about saying the amazon echo wake word Those are rare instances We're we're falling for the for the uh, the psychological trick where because we hear about something happening We think it happens more widespread than it does the fact of the matter is people with uh, google homes and amazon echoes They don't have this happen all that often when it does happen. It usually doesn't cause a big problem but also It works and if the problem is it works too well That is the trade off amazon and google and everybody else who does these will take every The rest of the time it works, right? And so even as a consumer You don't mind like oh, it woke up that one time and that that was weird And if nothing bad happens or even if you can you have to go cancel an order Maybe once out of the year that you have and also i mean listen you you much prefer that over Talking to it and having it not understand what you're saying and and because that It's like get three of those three of those it didn't hear me three of those It didn't understand me that things out the window, right? It would have never taken off Uh moving on coral from wet and miserable memphis the home of jerry the king luller I added editorially wrote in to say that he thinks the reason carriers aren't paying as much For free tv spectrum is that it's the lower frequency 600 megahertz range He writes from everything i've seen and i freely admit i haven't seen everything 5g is going to require a higher frequency bandwidth to achieve this potential The longer wavelengths of lower frequency spectrum will hinder its performance as a result Higher frequency spectrum will be in demand and 5g rollouts will rely more on micro cells Than macro cells a case in point at the recent aws 3 spectrum auction bought in uh less Around 45 billion dollars when the fcc was expecting between 10 billion and 20 billion This is the auction that sprint sat out of some people speculated that they couldn't afford it While others noted that they already own a nationwide swath of 2.5 gigahertz spectrum And didn't need the hundred and seven or sorry, uh 1700 Uh megahertz spectrum or gigahertz 2.5 gigahertz spectrum didn't need the 1700 megahertz spectrum being offered the carriers are willing to pay a lot more Two years ago for higher frequency spectrum than they are willing to pay for lower frequency spectrum today Yeah, so if none of that made sense to you, uh, what carl is saying is the reason That the fcc is having a hard time selling off that freed television spectrum We were talking about yesterday is that the carriers don't need it for 5g. They need a higher spectrum And they are definitely willing to pay for that higher spectrum And pay more than the fcc expected Uh A lot what did you have something else on that before we no no no no I mean like I what what i'm interested here is there's got to be some kind of really interesting use for that spectrum And and yeah, absolutely and there will be but right now it's just not as valuable. So until that that newer use comes around Maybe it is best left for broadcasting over the air for the time being for now Yeah, we had a lot of people write in about their own personal needs for over-the-air broadcasting or not bill in huntsville, alavama Said hey in april 2011 tornadoes took down the power grid in north alabama. We were without power for two weeks at my house I was able to power my own home But comcast service was down over the air communication was the only source of what was going on most broadcast stations seem to have emergency power I have voip phone service and it was down But my neighbors with pots and dell and dsl a plain old telephoto telephone service and dsl Had landline and internet service the power outage from hurricane katrina in louisiana mississippi was more widespread and lasted longer Long live over the air But then we also got daniel who said in regards to your discussion of emergency alerts alerts over fm radio And speculation about having emergency alerts on phones I got this exact kind of alert yesterday due to heavy flooding and flash flood warnings in the san francisco bay area A very loud alarm sound went off on my phone and a message popped up Seems like what you were imagining already exists So there is some emergency alert going on and then kimberley in houston Said we get weather alerts over our phones and tablets My sister actually packed all the devices into a box and locked them into a car one night Because of eight devices going off one after another meant no one was sleeping Back as far as 2008 I was using my phone to get news during and after ike hurricane ike while power and cable were still out This was actually one reason I cut the cord i'd been keeping cable because what happens if there's a hurricane Well after the storm my tv was useless without power or cable But I could charge my phone at many of the stores and restaurants that had power And opened as charging and cooling facilities even though they couldn't conduct regular business The businesses were often either near critical infrastructure like hospitals or critical junctures in the power grid The mobile network near me worked fine through the storm and after and last spring when we had back to back major floods And damage to the dam near my home I again used my phone and tablet to get news for a while I was getting the most relevant news from two stations using facebook live After they went off the air for broadcast due to damage and had to evacuate I've added several battery packs to my emergency kit And if we're expecting severe weather they're charged and ready to go to get me through the storm for exactly this reason I mean The more solutions the better right especially when you are dealing with something like a natural disaster That can leave you out of power for weeks on end. I mean I I grew up in south florida when hurricane andrew hit And that was something that thankfully Missed my family where it was originally slated to hit But did devastate homestead which was to the south of me and there were people out of power for Weeks if not months in some neighborhood, so you We are in in a in a blessed era where we can have the option that whatever we have Be it a generator that can power a television and an antenna that can bring you Uh, whatever you need, you know, uh, whether you have cable or you do not have cable Whether or not those cable lines are severed You can still go to the water burger and charge your phone and make sure that you still get Some kind of announcements and you have some idea of of what's going on and specifically when Uh in in non hurricane situations, which usually you have at least Days if not weeks to kind of get your head around and prepare for In in the situation that tom was saying where there is a her or sorry a tornado And very often those happen In clusters or an earthquake which happens with no warning whatsoever. Absolutely Well, I'm just saying that a tornado can come through and then another tornado can come Right afterward that that is the moment when Any kind of information as fast as possible can literally save you and your family's life So I I think over the air certainly has a place I've been using it a lot more as a cord cutter for dumb stuff like, you know, college football games and and the golden globes but I think it certainly is is is a valuable tool in the gigantic war chest that we need when it comes to keeping ourselves safe I'll be honest Using saying that we need to keep over the air because of emergency broadcasts Is really just saying we need to keep emergency broadcasts going at the channel where people can use it And what these emails show is for bill that was over the air for kimberley. That was a smartphone There isn't one answer one isn't better than the other You have to look at the conditions on the ground in katrina There were places where telephone service went out and they set up mesh wi-fi networks to help people get cell phone service so There there really isn't it isn't we should keep over the air for emergency It's we should keep over the air if the people are still relying on it for information And when they're not then we should make sure that we have emergency services that can be delivered on the devices They are using like phones And I think it's great that we had these examples from bill and kimberley because they're both both very compelling of Why both of these things are true. It's not just one of the other Personally, I think we should keep over the air for a while and if you want more Reasons why that is uh, if you're a patron at the five dollar Month level there's a post out right now in our weekly update where I go into more details about it Uh, someone who wishes to remain anonymous wrote in to say that the user research about the upgrade to windows 10 indicated The two big concerns were the ability to roll back to an earlier os and reassurance that files would be exactly as they were before the upgrade Due to a bug or misunderstanding and requirements the quote your stuff is exactly where you left it quote text message Remained even for future updates The customer doesn't interact with such as going to the initial windows 10 release to the first major fall update so Text which was intended to be used to reassure people about something they explicitly chose to do and which worked Well for that purpose was inadvertently reused in a different context Which clearly led to massive confusion and unnecessarily unnecessary concern Luckily the text was changed so that by the time the anniversary update came out. It was no longer there There you go Uh, I had a couple other people, uh, let us know that hey in the anniversary update that text went away So scott won't see it again. Hopefully when the creator update comes out nice Uh, and then in our slack channel, which is the analyst level on patreon ams at b Was talking about yesterday's discussion on gaming revenue and the indie gaming renaissance We seem to be seeing he said I kind of feel like video game creators are now experiencing what music creators Experienced in the early 2000s back in the day musicians needed a lot of resources to produce and distribute their work As advances in home recording equipment progressed and the internet began to blossom suddenly anyone who could play an instrument Or sing could record produce release and distribute an incredibly polished finished product to an audience of millions The same is now true of video game development where once it required a mega studio and scores of developers and engineers to create a successful game We now see indies popping up all over the place some like star new valley even garnering critical acclaim This is presumably due to the wide array of open source and distributed development tools and the modern ubiquity of relatively powerful systems on which to develop Mr. Red Sun mr. Red Sun I said I think the larger reason why there's been an influx of indie game development is the lowered barrier to distribution Steam's early access solves two problems. It provides an influx of cash during development and It provides free game testers It's also now way easier to publish a game on the three major consoles Microsoft's experimental xbox live community games a few years back I believe says mr. Red Sun may have been the first time indie dev teams could self publish on a major console And then mucow from a from the ai e-gild wrote in uh, because I asked about hey if you've been directly Affected by this reduction in game developer jobs. Let us know Mucow says you could say my life at the moment is extremely on the nose in regards to that story I was a veteran of the games industry until summer 2016 when the bottom fell out of the industry and layoffs hit hard A typical stint at a games company could last one or two years depending on the company and your role So when I got my layoff after three years at the last company it was considered a long run What really changed however was the lack of new positions waiting for those like me that needed a new gaming home After three months of getting no job prospects in the gaming industry I had to look outside the industry to get work Amusingly enough I started using indeed.com which had the data from our story to search for something new And even more amusing is that I ended up finding a great job at indeed.com itself That's great as you mentioned in the story There are a lot of non gaming industry positions that need those talented people And I think people like me are getting the memo and moving in that direction It may not be as glamorous as a gaming job, but there is definitely more stability outside of that area Well, and and this is the the gift and the curse of the democratization of Of any industry and we're seeing it in so many of them right where The idea of putting a ton of money into the concept that you could have the big payoff With capital letters bi g Are now replaced with base hits, you know that that if you get You know as the tools to make these games get cheaper and the distribution becomes easier thanks to places like steam Uh, you are now easier. It's now a better idea Than it was before to do a game with three developers It is now less of a good idea to do a game with 300 Right, uh, or at least the prospects are kind of going in different not to say that Everything is everything right but just in general and that's I think what we're seeing And and that's you know, that's true at a big game developer like ea Yeah, it doesn't make sense for them to hire a bunch of extra people to do a job That can be done more efficiently with a smaller number of people using these more powerful tools now and save money to boot So hey, thanks to all those who participate in our subreddit You can submit stories and vote on them at daily tech news show dot reddit.com Uh, another member of our audience that I want to give a shout out to today is mike range Who's been posting hilarious commentary movie league mike. 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Uh debacle interesting That's yeah, that's a big change wet foot dry foot Uh, so what what do we call this? uh Well, um, I like uh died thoughts thursday Or your thought I like i like thine thoughts thursday thine thoughts thursday is is is is is i think the perfect uh Levels at the show So is your natural So I knew someone from I had a uh ex co-workers from florida and he said the whole whole state's very flat So whatever hurricane or whatever storm comes in it. There's really no stopping. He just goes straight through Is that uh, is that an accurate? description of the landscape Well, it is very flat. I believe the highest point in florida is mount dora in central florida Which is not a mountain. It's really just a hill that they call a mountain But it's a mountain there so Yeah, no, I think that that in in general that that this is also Uh, you know florida is also not very large Or at least like wide so when hurricanes come in unless they are Uh, you know riding the coast all the way up Uh, in which case they're almost just as likely to be half into the ocean Uh, no matter what the eye wall could could be in the ocean Uh, in general, you know, it really only takes from from where I used to live Uh, we're getting real local here in in tamarack florida to marco island, which is on the other side Uh, it only takes about 30 minutes. So so, you know, a hurricane Crossing the threshold of florida really is not that big of a feat in general Hmm How wide is the state like? Like 100 miles shorter than that 200 miles. Well, it'd be alligator alley before it turns north Oh, so many someone so many local been so much cool dualism Alligator. Oh, why is it called alligator alley because it's you because you go through the everglades, you know You know the alligators there. Yeah Uh, but yeah, no, so so you uh You come off the straw grass expressway Head in south you get right on alligator alley. You punch that right through and then either you're taking a northward turn to uh Sarasota and bradenton and tampa and everything Or you are right there at like marco island, which is on the other the other side into the gulf of mexico Well, I guess the important question for me is is wall disney world protected from these storms It's hard to hit no Well, I mean it it's protected in that it it it understands that it will get hit with them Uh and and periodically You know, I think the last time that hurricanes did major damage to south florida was hurricane francis and hurricane katrina that came in the same year Uh And uh, yeah, it hurricane katrina really did damage, uh, especially to south florida into into central florida So, uh, who's excited for the chargers moving to la I seriously is anyone actually excited about it. I don't I don't know of anyone who is Excited about that. Well, san diego cheese that they're losing them Yeah, so people are upset I get that but is anyone actually pleased by this Other than the owner of the chargers perhaps. Yeah, but did the rams come back to la? Yeah, but people were happy about that because they had been here and there was that's what I mean like I don't know. So there's there's no reason for the chargers to come to los angeles Nobody cares about them The people who do care about them are in san diego and will now not care about them Well, they're gonna play in a soccer stadium for two years So they're not expecting anyone to come show up because the capacity of that stadium is less than 30 000 So the other thing is uh dean spanos Of the san diego chargers did not want to move he was he was uh, uh as as as as the the kids say but hurt about the fact that uh, his proposal Which was fronted by bob eiger and and co presented with the oakland raiders They wanted to build another stadium that they would be co-owners of They are now going to be moving into Uh the ram stadium as tenants. They will not own Any part of it. They are but they'll only pay a dollar a year rent Sure, so uh, you know, there's there is that well No, the other thing was you know, the the city of san diego offered them a 99 year lease for a dollar a year at qualcomm stadium Oh, I didn't know about that. That's yeah, but they wouldn't give them they wouldn't give them tax subsidies for a new stadium They would not give them a new stadium, but he still had to pay 650 million to move in a franchise move fee It just doesn't make any sense. I don't understand Who benefits Well, there's there's an article on espn.com that basically paints the picture that this is a massive failure for the nfl And if you are looking for a sign that the nfl is a league and decline, this is an early indicator. Obviously there's no uh there's there's no Doubt that the nfl is the largest Uh, you know the the the big dog when it comes to american sports But when a team that has a pretty happy fan base and is you know Understood to be reasonably well run and contending on a fairly regular basis has to move Because their hometown would not approve a bond to build a new stadium uh That is that's a sign of weakness like they they moved because they kind of because everybody called their bluff The the other owners called their bluff about building a new stadium and they said well, we believe in stan cronkey more And the city of uh, san diego called their bluff and said whatever either you're gonna stay here. You're gonna move suck it Why doesn't why don't the chargers go to vegas who won a team and the raiders come to la Where there are a million fans No more, you know, I'm gonna say this there's a reason why I stopped following The nfl and that's when the raiders left oakland and I was like done like because I honestly believed up to that point that Teams were associated with cities and there was there's a there was a hallowed Bond there and if you were just gonna up stakes and move It seemed kind of like well Why why have loyalties to essential? I mean granted they are corporate entities, but like why have Why have those loyalties? Why have that fan base? I don't know that's just Here's why there are two teams in la Because there are enough businesses in la to pay for ad revenue and to pay for private suites That's why there are two teams in la and because now you can have a stadium that during football season will have activity Every week of the season. So that's that's why you do it as to why the raiders are not there. No bs Part of the reason is because the other owners were worried that the last time the raiders were in la gangs adopted their their uh, the color's logo which is I mean A kind of dubious thing considering the fact that the people that adopted the raiders logo the most was nwa Yes, you know it was who by the way Certainly probably from areas in which gang activity is certainly prevalent But last I checked ice cube dr. Dre easy e and yellow not an actual gang apple's dr. Dre Who is an employee of apple? Yeah No, you're right. No the the the move that would have made the most sense Was the raiders first and maybe the ramps I can see cranky not wanting the raiders to move to la because they'll be more popular than the rams yeah Now the raiders in las vegas is a A cluster hug waiting to happen because Not only is it going to Immediately take out So now there will be no nfl teams in the actual Bay area market Right because the 49ers are down in the south bay are down in the bay area market But they're in the san josea and not in the san francisco oakland it It's annoying to get to and nobody wants to do it unless the team's good, right? It's easy to get to I mean as much as Uh, the the oakland coliseum especially when the raiders play there is a literal prison uh, you know It's uh, it's close. It's easy to get to you know, whether you're in san francisco or you're in oakland It's it's a bart ride there. You can just walk off the bart and get to the stadium. Oh, yeah No, it's fantastic. I used to go as a season ticket holder of the a's playing the same stadium It's great Where by the way, it just feels like a charming baseball stadium for whatever reason when the raiders are playing there It's like the barbed wire shines brighter. You know, there's just like it's it's a totally different atmosphere. It's very very weird it's uh But get this now. This is something that broke over the last week the nfl Wants an agreement with the with the the city of los vegas That they will ban betting in los vegas on oakland raiders game Well the raiders ain't going to los vegas What? Yeah, geez. Hello portland raiders. I don't know But that's the other problem is that uh california in general in the bay area specifically and specifically the cities of san francisco and oakland will not Pay for stadiums. Yeah. Well in san diego wouldn't either. So good on them I don't think they need to I mean the giants showed that you don't need to if you do it right And in fact the warriors the warriors are going to show it too, you know totally. Yeah Uh, well, I went to that rams cardinals game on january 1st. Uh, just out of the perverse willingness to see the two former st. Louis teams play against each other in a coliseum built for the olympics in the 30s and Uh, it was interesting. I was surprised how many rams fans there were there were there were thousands of people in rams gear And the people I was sitting up way up in the nosebleed seats, you know I was three rows from the very top Level of that stadium were into the game And this is a team that was out of the playoffs Yeah, they they had only won four games this year and these people were into it. They were watching every play Well, you know, there's There's something to be said la is a a massive population base You know the rams had enough fans that the fans could be angry and they got their coach fired So so like there was that You know, they were they were they were pissed off enough and there was enough of them that the ownership decided that they had to fire Jeff fisher like five seconds after they gave them a two-year contract extension. So Uh, you know, there is there is that, you know, they have somebody like eric dickerson who is a Person who lives in los angeles and now can be an alumni figurehead for the team and and be a sports talk radio Guests to get all the locals excited But you know, you're right It is it is the raiders that belong there if anybody is going to move to los angeles. Did you all see the chargers new logo? So apparently that is not the new logo No, but it is for marketing purposes and my favorite tweet about it. Did you see the tampa bay lightning tweet? No The tampa bay lightning tweet is uh, you know, it's like wakes up checks mentions So just so everybody knows Us and the Dodgers are just friends If you're not getting that folks It's because the logo which is just being used for marketing purposes. Okay. It's not the official logo of the team Is the la that looks very much like the la that the Dodgers wear on their cap And a lightning bolt that looks very much like the lightning bolt that the tampa bay lightning hockey team uses With almost the exact same color scheme that the lightning used the the the dark blue stark white Uh, uh color scheme so as if perhaps they had had a child uh And also by the way If part of the reason Why you are deciding to not let the raiders move back to los angeles is because of gang affiliation I'm very excited that now they have not one but two teams that feature blue jerseys Right blue and yellow both of them do. Yep So Congratulations krips and latin kings Uh, go ahead and get your your gang affiliated jerseys Oh my we got ranged that is a ranged uh after show we we showed a lot of mastery of of immigration policy gang affiliation Deep dive on nfl ownerships and oh, yeah, yeah, that's what they keep in things tax subsidies Dude that's strong. I like that. Where are we we? Bring it bring it. That's all I gotta say bring the topic. We'll make something out of it All right. Thanks everybody for watching. We'll be back tomorrow to talk about the nintendo switch switch Switch it up. See you listen you go out there and you pick your own switch and then bring it back and we'll discuss it