 Burg excused Bonnet Doyle graph Manny Montemay or Moody is excused Perez Reinflash Stefan Van Akron Vander wheelie Longham in Warner is here winning her here We have a quorum On that I'll ask for approval of the minutes from our June 16th 2003 meeting I have a motion and a second all those in favor signify by saying aye Sure votes aye motion passes First thing I want to speak we do have three all the persons who may have lost their survey and were unable to get it Filled out and turned in on time. So I do have three copies up here So if you happen to be one of all the persons that was unable to get yours in is the common council budget policy formulation for 2004 pick one of these up. Please try to get it filled out and into Mike huts by a Wednesday Thank you for that And I'll start out I have a brief comment before we start tonight as everyone knows We're gonna have a presentation by the sheboyin police department tonight And I would like to welcome everyone to our committee of the whole meeting this evening Tonight's presentation by the sheboyin police department is on a subject. We all have a concern about Illegal drugs and their use in our community Sheboyin is not immune to the dangers and problems created by illegal drug use Over the years our city has seen a marked change in the type of drugs used We have seen the negative consequences of that use these consequences have touched our families our schools and our neighborhoods and That is why we're looking to limit and remove the threat in any way possible We're addressing the problem as you will learn this evening and we will continue to do so The sheboyin police department has been proactive in its mission to contain the use of illegal drugs in our city Mayor Shram and others have recognized the need to continue the battle against illegal drugs and Chief David Kirk and his department will carry out their duty to address the problem Tonight's program is evidence of that commitment Chief Kirk good evening Mr.. President and all their people first. I'd like to say does this always happen this falls off today, okay a first Like to say it's an honor to be here tonight for several reasons We're present here tonight to speak to speak on what I deem to be probably one number one concern within our Community and that's drug use illegal drug use a drug trade drug abuse Why is it the number one concern? Within our police department because I think I've seen the devastating effects. It's had to our citizens to our families Also because I believe that a substantial amount of crime that's being committed in our community is tied directly to the drug trade Or at least to drug use third off. It's wrong. It's illegal I think in many circles Too many people think it's it's well or too far well accepted people talk of drug use They do drug use and I think it's time that We publicly say enough is enough first off I like to begin to say that and To explain where we've been and where we're going With the drug Investigations years ago when I was in the criminal investigation division in charge of our mega unit, which is a multi Enforcement group or that the drug unit We would take all the information that we obtained from citizens or aldermen or whatever source of Information that came in we would then provide it to our mega unit The mega unit would then get time to work on it to see if it's tied into their investigations or they'd put it on a file on the side As I observed some of this I said this this is wrong The information you obtain needs to be worked on and if in fact you're working on an investigation fantastic However, that information that you don't have time for if you don't have enough officers for needs to be referred back to our patrol division Since we went to community policing Department wide Each officer is assigned a designated district and they they need to take ownership of that district So what we do now is that information when it's given to us We then relay it to the mega unit if they have time for it or if it's tied into some of their investigations They're currently conducting they take it and if it isn't then it's referred back to our patrol officers into designated Districts that this alleged drug activity is being reported and we then give the officers the freedom To do whatever they need to do to address that problem They do garbage collection or they do Observation of the home and try to make a case then that's referred to the district attorney's office or that Involved search warrants or what have used so these officers on the street are then allowed to perform their own little Investigations and the next era in policing and the era that we've been involved in the last three and a half years And our an art department and when I fully Believe in is called community policing and that's the creation of partnerships because the police department can't Handle the situation by themselves. They need citizens They need partnerships and the ability to work with other agencies to get to the bottom of this So we we've gone from just a mega unit working on it to now being brought down to the patrol officers To now going outside and asking for public involvement and help But the reason we're here today is not because you want to hear from the administration and how I see what we're doing It's because I have two officers here. Both officers are ten-year veterans I have officer Matt Walsh who works patrol division. He was also assigned the multi Jurisdictional Drug Enforcement Unit He was a mega officer a drug officer for several years and then once we identify a problem Certainly I tell my officers not only tell me what the problem is but tell me how to solve this problem And that's where Todd prebe comes in certainly with community police and he's going to then deal with how we're working on this Some of the avenues that we're looking at to form partnerships in different areas of the city And all of them and Doyle has spoken of before where we have this a partnership down in a long fellow school area Which is ongoing and it's a tremendous work and effort by our community policing people We're looking towards Expanding this next partnership concept into to his district so first off I Always need to say thank you to the officers for being here today for the commitment that they've given To their to our city to their problems to my problem to your problem I also like to say thank you to the public protection and safety committee and its members for first off Many months back when they asked me to speak on how our department is doing and deal with crime statistics. I said To the chairman, please let me speak on issues Issues that relate to our community issues that are real and that perhaps you're not aware of so we presented Our officer Walsh presented a drug use and what is going on in the streets Public protection and safety heard that speech and they said we really need to give this to the common council To the committee the whole and I thank you, mr. President for allowing us this opportunity to present this here tonight. I think many times At least I find the last three and a half years I I feel I have a Tendency not to relate what's really going on the streets to the public Out of fear that the public would then over respond and say this is a harsh community But I think we're going to break that mode here mold here today and say listen. This is what's going on in the streets Please listen But not only listen if you have questions ask We will present what's going on in the streets and then what we're doing to counter that So with that I think it takes creativity and understanding on your part listening and a willingness to let community policing take hold I think at the present time We have some excellent opportunities for a cooperative working together and With that first I'm going to introduce Matt Matt Walsh. He'll be our first presenter and then officer Todd Preby So with that Matt Thank you for having me Mr. President My name is Matt Walsh. I've been a police officer as the chief said for ten years. I was in the drug unit in 2001 and 2002 I think that was really a successful position for me conservatively I can say I Seized my cases alone out of the city about four hundred thousand dollars worth of drugs mostly cocaine Um, we have a big problem here with crack cocaine You all have seen 2020 and they talk about ecstasy Ecstasy is a dying fad If you don't believe it go to urowid.com EROW ID They have users on there talking about the side effects are they're horrible They speak frankly about the side effects ecstasy is going to fade out here just like our fashion Is slow to get to the Midwest ecstasy is slow to die here Along the same lines Marijuana when I was in the drug unit. I had informants tell me was hard to get After the Alvarez brothers went to prison Okay, crack cocaine. There's a difference between powder cocaine and crack cocaine Powder cocaine can almost be used on a recreational basis users can control their addiction Use it only on weekends Crack is different crack is boiled in the microwave with water and baking soda and Then you pour it out in this mushy goo into like a brownie pan Let it dry for 24 hours, and then you cut it up like brownies into small Eraser sized chunks part of the problem with these eraser sized chunks is In Milwaukee that chunk sells for $30 and here it sells for $100. I made many undercover buys in broad daylight and Controlled buys through the use of informants probably hundreds of crack cocaine where point four grams weighed out to cost me a hundred dollars So roughly speaking crack is $200 a gram Powder is a hundred dollars a gram Here in Sheboygan Sheboygan is a source city for crack cocaine People from Manitowoc come to Sheboygan specifically to get crack Um Crack is extremely addictive unlike powder crack cocaine has an addictive propensity where there's a one-hour cycle The first 15 minutes is absolute euphoria The next 15 minutes the user kind of comes down the next 15 minutes. They never want to do crack again and Then 15 minutes later. They have to have more I Learned that I was starting to put my informants at Jeopardy by doing only one controlled by to get a search warrant That was my job to get search warrants We had to go back and do another one an hour and 15 minutes later this addictive one-hour cycle breeds property crime and Violent crime after about an hour hour and 15 minutes These people will do anything to get this drug a lot of our property crimes car thefts are all drug related A lot of our violent crime is all drug related I had informants tell me that They knew of 35 year old Sheboyganite housewives that would do oral sex to get crack That would rent out their 15 year olds Bedroom to a drug dealer so they can get free crack from the dealers who are not typically from Sheboygan So they could get free crack and allow their house to be dealt out of Where and when does this happen? surprisingly Most of the deals go down during the day right under all of our noses. It's really too dangerous to do it at night because there is so Few cars. There's so little movement that you know the police on the nighttime Have less traffic to deal with so they're kind of pulling over a larger percentage of the cars Stopping a larger percentage of the foot traffic during the day when we're all doing our legitimate business is when these people are meeting at I can say across the board All the north side mini marts and all the north side grocery stores. I have bought drugs in their parking lots I have made arrests in All three of their parking lots very recently in fact Um They hide the drugs they know not to keep it in the house. They know about the short-term traffic with neighbors and alderman calling They'll do the deal at A mini mart in the parking lot meet me there in five minutes. I'll be in a red neon They'll bury the drugs in kiwanis park. I had several cases like that They'll do the deal at at our largest department stores and convenience stores Right at noon using us and our children as cover Putting our kids at risk Some of our local grocery stores and mini marts sell drug paraphernalia One of those paraphernalia items is um what my mom used to clean dishes with that's uh Copper burlopad commonly referred to as chore boy. That's the filter that acts as the filter for crack crack is smoked That's the only way you can consume crack is to smoke it in a glass Pipe with this chore boy acting as a cigarette filter And i've literally seen the crack pipe so hot That their fingers will develop blisters. I saw a 15 year old girl from north that had burn marks on her lips And that even shocked me um We have another problem Problem number two is oxycontin. I spoke with a pharmacist that used to Be from the madison area and She wrote very little prescriptions for oxycontin until she transferred to the madison shabuigan area oxycontin is um, if you're not familiar with it, its legal use is for someone who has Very serious cancer a lot of pain oxycontin has a time release you take one pill it lasts 12 hours By crushing that pill the user realized you get that release all in one blast And it's called hillbilly heroine and there's only three ways to get it false prescription Stealing it from your sick parent, which happens all the time and a false prescription We have a major oxycontin problem here use Um, also users from shabuigan trade oxycontin to the dealers who aren't from here And they trade for crack the oxycontin goes back to milwaki Because oxy's very hard to get there Um That's really all I had pre-programmed. Um I think it probably shocked you if you have questions for me now, or if you'd like to wait until after todd is done Um Either way is up to you Okay, Todd Thanks. Thank you matt Thank you, mr. President Uh, one one thing if I can it's uh, mr. Chairman the president of the city over there will want to be taking his place Thank you. Thank you, mr. Chairman All right Right now our home and personal safety is at risk as you just had heard from officer walsh Drugs are being sold right underneath our noses And this is not something that's going unnoticed by our department. We are doing our best to To deal with these Ways of selling and the people that are selling But we're getting to the point now. We got it. We have to get the help from the community The drugs are being sold right underneath our noses as you just heard from officer walsh It's while we're out there with our children at the store While the kids are playing in the playground while they're playing in our neighborhoods It's just a matter of time before the frequency of the shootings increases Before drug deals go bad And competition between drug dealers Sheboygan average is approximately 300 burglaries a year And the majority of them are drug related And this was pretty much confirmed by the offenders that commit these burglaries themselves I went to wisconsin department of corrections Uh the probation and parole office and I sat in on a group discussion with about 12 offenders And I had asked him I says, you know, correct me if I'm wrong But my opinion is the majority of our burglaries in town are drug related 10 out of the 12 nodded their head. Yes And quite a few of them were nodding their head very enthusiastically like oh, yeah Okay You heard from matt The majority of our murders and robberies are drug related And there is no neighborhood that's exempt from this type of activity It has been known that drug dealers will buy houses and upscale neighborhoods This isn't just subjected to the parking lots of stores and our older sections of town So you got to ask yourself, do you feel safe right now? Do you feel safe in your districts knowing about this stuff? Do you feel comfortable letting children play in the neighborhood? How does it make you feel knowing that a drug dealer can buy a house in your neighborhood? And that's any neighborhood in town If we don't take action now, we will be like in milwaukee in 10 to 15 years A former drug investigator from the meg unit Had made that statement And it just so happens don quare from a deso california who is with us tonight. She confirms that She was raised in medeso california A community roughly the same size as sheboygan she left it because of the drug problems And when she gets here because of her experience and knowledge about the drugs she she's seen for herself that the same scenario is unfolding The same scenario that she had just left in medeso california is now occurring here in this town She is battling a drug house by herself And that's not uncommon in this in this community We must look at the drug problem as a community problem And it's going to take the community to solve it Law enforcement. We can't do it by ourselves anymore The single household fighting a neighborhood drug house fighting the good fight by themselves Has to end what's happening in a neighborhood Is happening because it's tolerated by the neighborhood Sheboygan citizens can no longer Ignore the problem thinking somebody else is going to deal with it or there's some magic wand that can be waived and the problem will go away It's going to take hard work and partnerships Within our community to deal with this It's going to take every man woman child Healthcare worker civic groups churches law enforcement da's office judges city attorney's office landlords the school district The list goes on We have to build strong partnerships So do the partnerships work? You bet they do you can ask three of your own alderman right here in this room Alderman Manning Perez and Doyle They all have and and mayor have all been involved At different degrees with our problem-solving efforts and our partnership building with the institute of public safety partnerships from the University of Illinois at Chicago When we targeted the Longfellow school area And the things that have come out of that group Proves that partnerships work We don't have all the resources of the law enforcement agency We have to tap into the community resources and expertise to help us with our community problems And that's what we did down there We targeted Longfellow school We addressed a particular issue And we've been successful. In fact, we're planning a neighborhood celebration at the end of the month It's not going to end there We're going to get facilitators training and we're going to take this on and we're going going to continue in other districts And alderman Doyle wants to be first in line to target his district Partnerships do work and that is the way of the future. That is the way we have to conduct business from this point on It's successful and it works So what do we need to do? There are some great efforts that are starting in shabuagan county and the city of shabuagan One we've got a group that I started called neighbors against drugs nad And I am asking for anybody and everybody who is willing to get involved in an action group to take part in this This uh, this group Okay, we are going to deal with the illegal drugs in town We are going to collaboratively Define a drug problem that we realistically Can solve we know we're not going to get rid of drugs in town. We know that But we can surely have a dramatic impact on the availability Okay, so we're gonna we're going to strategize and Design a program Okay, and then we're going to Set a goal and then we're going to discuss objectives And we're going to get out of our shells and we're going to get into the neighborhoods We're going to get in the parking lots and we're going to start having an impact On our drug issue in this community But now that goes hand in hand with another effort that filled the cat in the united community for youth And the healthy shabuagan county 2010 AODA committee is involved in Okay My group i'll talk about that in a second my group is going to meet next On tuesday july 28th at 12 noon At the mead public library the josephine aracoka meeting room And if you can't make a noon meeting A evening meeting is set for wednesday august 6th at 7 p.m. Also at the mead public library at the josephine aracoka meeting room Now the healthy shabuagan county 2010 AODA committee of which i am a member of Supports any efforts that are made towards the illegal drugs Shabuagan county was fortunate fortunate enough to receive a three-year state initiative grant To help shape a collaborative community-wide focus on substance abuse prevention efforts targeting youth ages 12 to 17 And we plan on working with a diverse cross section of the community in order to effectively utilize resources to prevent youth substance abuse We are very concerned about the use and the abuse of alcohol particularly by youth It is part of the larger picture of the community health This group is Is also looking for anybody who is willing to participate with our efforts to join in And you can feel free to contact phil de ket from the united community for youth at 280 62 66 now this is open everything that i'm talking about here is open to the whole community Okay, i'm encouraging any beyondy anybody and everybody to get involved Thirdly the shabuagan area school district is also problem planning on addressing the problem And they have a public input session on tuesday august 5th at 6 30 p.m. At the horseman middle school And anybody who is interested in Providing their input are encouraged to attend that meeting fourth The community needs to support other Programs and ideas that somehow indirectly or directly impact our drug issues Uh We're targeting january 2004 with a neighborhood pride contest Contest is designed to You reunite neighborhoods build this unity and the pride and the spirit amongst the the neighbors And also address home and personal security And a whole wide range of things that will have an everlasting effect on that neighborhood But one of the things that is not tolerated in this contest is a drug house It's not tolerated We need we need jobs. We need good jobs. We know what's happening in our county We need to support efforts that encourage job growth And when I heard of mayor shrams idea of a high tech park, I thought that was great and we need to be supportive of that supportive of his efforts in working with the The county board in trying to make this possible especially before the pga it makes sense and lastly Parents Can no longer continue to believe that their their children are exempt from alcohol or drug abuse or use Parents need to reevaluate their attitude or their acceptance in letting their kids smoke cigarettes smoke marijuana or drink majority of teens Get involved in substance use because they're bored or in need of excitement Parents need to take an active role in their kids lives It starts at home And if they feel that there is a problem or they suspect there's a problem They need to talk about it and they need to take some action They need to get help That's all I have Some of the things you said real quick Tipped off something and that last thing about parents I've been back out on the road now for seven months answering calls And it's really been a lot A lot of fun and a lot of stress I'll arrest the kid at urban First for example, and I'll ask him who his parents are I just shake I can't believe it. I just shake my head. It was somebody it was it was a known crackhead That our parenting these kids I couldn't believe it um The other things something some things that Todd said is I had an informant in december of o2 Tell me based on his life experience of growing up in milwaukee as a starting small crack in 1988 Kicking it becoming a group counselor for kids relapsing getting fired becoming a crackhead again and coming to sheboygan He told me this community is primed for violence. That scared the crap out of me I've had an informant that had a crack baby I Had an undercover officer on the north side in someone's basement and a group of women were smoking crack and on the The tape that I'm monitoring for the officer's security I can hear and almost close my eyes and visualize toddlers pulling on mom's shirt Going over and over and over mom mom mom And I can hear the crackling pipe in the back Um I'm failed to mention retail theft as being those items are traded for drugs yonkers right now Is being inundated with retail theft That a lot of these drugs Drug dealers are trading taking trade. They don't take cash or they will they prefer cash obviously Um, I made a last note here and I said it's about time Oh that saying it reminded me when we were kind of trying to bring the new owner ring to an end At 10th and superior. I had a neighbor come up to me and I was in my full swat Gear and we had a no-knock search warrant because I knew they had a 44 caliber gun and they did And the neighbor came up to me and said it's about time Boy, I was so mad Did you ever call me It took me months. I know but I'm trying the hardest I can it's about time. You finally got here It's been so obvious well It's hard to get a search warrant and and you know essentially Take some action and get around the fourth amendment um Thank you I guess at this time Like once again like to say thank you for allowing us to present probably a topic which was Probably more factual than what we've addressed to you in the past The reason we've done it is for a number of reasons first off We are dealing with this problem. We have been we dealt with it strictly through the meg unit We have now opened it up to the entire membership of our department saying you are responsible for your area of your community I think public protection and safety safety you are well aware of community policing and its efforts and its ability to deal with problems And it's all about problem solving Excuse me and it's all about forming partnerships and calling out and working with other agencies Such as the district attorney's office the school district, which we're we're certainly glad to see that they're here and it's all about the situation is Getting bad it's getting worse, but it's not unbearable it's certainly not something that our community has to sit here and Be deathly afraid of however we're asking for your help for the all dramatic support to say listen This is what we understand and this is what we need So with that Thank you for listening I went to the street level officers because administratively I can sit in my office all day long and read reports and say that's the way it is I worked the road for many many years myself And I could see it getting worse and worse and worse And that's why we went to community policing and problem solving efforts and partnerships is where it's at It's going out to the community saying please If you know about something get back to us and one part of community policing is Any complaint that comes in will be responded to And the complainant will receive a phone call one way or the other as to what the situation how it's been handled And if you don't get a call back, please call my office or call a supervisor because Those who complain or those who want some information have a right to know what the answer is or what's being done on it So with that if you have questions certainly fire away I thank you chief I think it's important to note that we are doing something about it in sheboygan our mayor our police department And what what we intend as the third tier is our our neighborhoods the people that live in the community To help us address these problems. And I think that in that we can say in sheboygan We are trying to address it before it gets worse. I think that's a good thing It's a positive to be proactive on that. I'd open the floor to questions and alderman graff Thank you, mr. Chairman. I do have a question But first of all I want to say I'm glad you presented this and had street level Officers come and give us this information because so often I hear at many places throughout sheboygan that we don't have a problem here They think we're isolated and um Just in my line of business for instance, which is child support We also hear well, we don't have a paternity problem here, but we do too And so um with that officer welsh had had stated something about three ways to get oxy Whatever it's kind and I only got down two of them. Well, can you I've got um False prescriptions and steel from their parents Okay, thank you Alderman press Thank you, mr. Chairman A couple of questions, but first I'd like to thank chief kirk for their presentation and officer prebie and officer walsh I know that officer prebie and officer winter are doing a tremendous job at the longfellow project there and I'm truly glad to have been a small part of that So much work has gone into it and I think that the the results are going to be In our favor in that respect. So thank you very much The uh the second the first question I had is chief you mentioned some of the things that we can do but I would I would like as an alderman to to to be Inform as to what specific things we can do not necessarily now but in the future What is it that the council can do as a body as a political body? For you and for the community so we can address this problem and nip it at the bud We're doing basically the same thing at the school district is as you've mentioned Um, and we're looking to get tough and I think Painting the pictures you have today As bad as it looks that's that's how we need to paint it. That's how we need to deal with it My third question was a more more in line of concern for officer walsh as an undercover Do you risk your life by exposing yourself as an undercover agent here or Absolutely Two instances I can think of off the top of my head At the intersection of 14th and wisconsin I was trying to buy a crack from two men And they patted me down looking for a wire They ran their hand a wire being a transmitting device to see if I was An informant or a police officer they ran their hand down the middle of my back And came around the side of my hip and he put his hand on my gun, which was in my groin That I was very scared. Um, I used to use a bicycle as a tactic and And that did work often, but that shook me up and that deal did not go down Those those two are right now still I caught him in a different way. Um, they're still in custody looking at and he'd been caught and out again Been to prison at 18 out at 20 caught again at 21 Um, not from this community making a ton of money in this community, but not living here Um, and then the other instance, um, I gave my business card to an informant in fall of o2 And he just gave it back to me says I don't want to talk to they want to kill you He's like you're him you're the mat And then I knew it was time to get out and the chief knew it was time to get out too I was also asking is there a danger now presented to you by exposing yourself to the camera and the public as an undercover agent Okay, thank you for your concern Just to follow up real briefly on what you said, um one First off, basically when we present information That we're not going to present something that's not factual. We will present it as as honestly as we can I would have to say that since I've been a chief and since I've been here with the spoiling police department I'll scratch that since I've been can be been a chief. I've received great support from the alderman from the mayor The eight vacancies we had earlier this year It was our responsibility Our calling that we would hold off The four vacancies we have at the present time is our calling at this time The mayor has supported us He's listened to it. The mayor is aware of some of this We've we kept the mayor appraised of what was going on with the drug issue and and the violence and I predicted that the the violence was going to become much worse and that year we had four homicides and each and every one of those I don't know if I should even go there joe if some of these are still to be prosecuted, but they're related to drugs So I think we when we come to you we come for support and understanding Certainly we understand the budget concerns and the restraints So we we need to work together. We need to open up dialogue and talk and and I think matt you may you may want to touch Todd Um Also to address how can the common council get involved involved? And there's there's a variety of groups. There's the health issue boy in county 2010 a oda You are a resource and a valuable resource to a group like that Okay, you you are very valuable resources. So by attending these meetings You provide information and expertise on what you're capable of doing And what you're not capable of doing and we don't know that unless somebody from the common council is there That's no different from nad the neighbors against drugs It's going to be important to have members of the common council there so that they're aware what's going on and where they fit in You know what resource what tool can they bring to the table that these groups can capitalize on? Um and then also There was a third Of course, there's a neighborhood pride contest and just being active in that But the other thing was our facilitators training is going to allow us to continue the problem-solving training that we had done for the long fellow school area and there's another opportunity for the common council members of the common council to get involved and Get the the training in how to identify and solve some of the problems in your district So those are the three ways off the top of my head specifically when it comes to this kind of stuff Thank you I thank you. Thank you chief and uh officer waltz. Any other questions Uh mayor shram Thank you alderman orner. I would encourage each and every council person to get involved The alderman who will have been involved so far have been doing an excellent job working with the police department Matt and Todd It's been working out very well very well in the city and we can only make it work if we participate and get involved in there and in chief you're doing an excellent job also uh I got involved in the south side neighborhood and It's tremendous what you can do when you get the community together and working with you Our new lighting project at longfellow. I believe that will help the community and in the longfellow area tremendously And we can do that each and every one of us if the alderman just take time get involved in that And I know alderman Doyle is next. He has to be next on the list Obviously, we can't do every area all at once. We love to but uh, if you each take your turn get involved And work with us. Uh, we're there to work with you also and we'll make this happen We weren't rated a number one city in 1997 to raise a family for nothing and we're going to stay that way I thank you mayor shram You're done Okay On that I guess I'd like to say thank you officers waltz and priby Chief kurt For such an informative presentation. I think it was and that's what I expected. I think your department's approach To this will help to stem the advance of illegal drugs in shabuagan And I think we as a city have our work cut out for us and only we as a united community We'll be able to have a positive impact on this problem I would like to thank mayor shram for his continued support of the police department in dealing with drugs in our community And I would also like to thank our patrol officers the men and women on the street I thank you for your commitment commitment and dedication Chief kirk and the entire department. I thank you And I guess I would say to the citizens of shabuagan, please take the time to become involved Be the eyes and ears of the shabuagan police department and together we will have a positive impact on drug use in the city of shabuagan And thanks to all of you for being here tonight All right, uh, move to adjourn Okay, we'll let it lay over 651 through 654 to be referred 655 By public protection safety recommending nying beverage operators license 1642 based on the applicants in a eligibility for licensing Alderman Doyle. No, it's not here. Vanderweal. Alderman Vanderweal Thank you, your honor. I make a motion to accept and adopt the arrow And uh, I would ask at this time if uh, license holder number 1642 is Is it here? She is not so I'd like to make a motion to deny license number 1642 It's been moved in second for denial of license number 1642 Under discussion hearing none. Would you call the roll please mani? Monta mayor moody Perez Brinflash Ben Akron Vanderweal Wongamon Warner Weninger Bowman Berg Bonnet Graf 14 eyes Motion carried 656 and 657 excuse me Alderman ballman Thank you, your honor an item number 656. I would move at this time to file this uh, general ordinance Move this second to file under discussion Alderman ballman Thank you, your honor the reason I'm asking to file it is because we've been discussing this particular item in public works committee And we've been asking that the city attorney look into extending this if he can To other than just the vehicles under 8,000 pounds if this is what state law allows So needless to say or over 8,000 pounds my apology And at this time, this is why I'd like to see it move to file only because we'd like to come out with a different recommendation Okay Alderman graf I'm not sure but I believe that this came out as a result of workings in In finance as well as the city attorney's office that They wanted to To do something with this and I thought But of course you were gone last week. Maybe you didn't get a chance to look at this Alderman graf my recollection was this was drafted at your request that's brought in under your name I draft it up Okay Alderman warner Well, thank you. I guess the document was being referred to finance Couldn't this be referred to finance and then they could discuss the changes there Is there any reason why we can't do that? I'd like you have you have a motion to file right now and that takes precedent So if you can vote the motion down if you want and then refer it to finance and send it to finance It is under discussion on a motion. Why would we want to do that? And you can take it sent it to finance and if they want to make changes to it I guess Alderman ballman if there's any reason why we couldn't do that I would totally object to it okay hearing No, they're all in favor to uh file say aye. Aye opposed. Aye Motion carries file Okay, five fifty We didn't say what happened six fifty seven six fifty seven to be referred I said that but he didn't get that far Okay, you mentioned the number but you didn't say Five fifty I roll By the director of human resources and labor relations relative to the tentative agreement with the shabuagan professional police officer association Alderman fan Akron We also take five sixty five five fifty one five fifty five sixty six five fifty two and five sixty seven If you like to sir I moved that to all the ro's be filed and uh All three resolutions be put up on his passage Moved in second at all ro's be accepted and filed the resolutions for the uh professional police officers union asked me what 1564 A couple asked me 1564 agreements Firefighters IAFF local 483 We have to do it right Now I uh I want to make the amendment on the three resolutions on all three contracts I'd like to add a 2.5 percent employees premium share effective 6103 for all three contracts Excuse me I was under the impression because we don't have any the um Terms in the resolution that the terms are in the RO That you want would not want to amend the RO just to explain what the The RO do you want to amend this of the resolutions because we don't have any terms in the resolutions? This this is what So you want to what is the amendment then? uh A 2.5 employees premium share effective 6103 for all three contracts, right? Okay, that's an audit showing up in any of the contracts, right Okay We have um go ahead Just to clarify I believe uh all the men of anachron that That's to clarify The language in the RO's that sets forth the tenet of agreements that talks about the 2.5 percent employee premium share This this is to clarify the starting date. I believe Corrected Okay, we have a amendment before us We got a vote on amendment all in favor Opposed motion carried. Okay proceed I moved at all three resolutions. They put upon this passage as amended Our RO was amended And the resolution, okay, okay Pat would you call the roll please? Oh, excuse me all the momentum Thank you your honor Before we vote, uh, I'd like to offer a few comments Because as I look at the contracts and appreciate all the work that goes into them And respect the numbers that are there Given a normal economic climate Um Today I have problems with these because of the economic climate that we're in In the cut and the shared revenue Uh, if we pass these I believe that we'll look at a situation where individual employees will be terminated As one viable approach to watching our budget and balancing it It's either that or tax increases of some significance. They're quite possible Um, I simply would like to state my perspective on the whole issue And suggest that a broader way of looking at that some of this might be To uh, take a lead ourselves and to take lesser salaries across the board in the city From department's head from mayors possibly cuts in older people's salaries So that employees and unions also taking lower increases Then here printed would not feel duly discriminated against So I would prefer an approach like that. This is throwing a monkey wrench into the whole thing I simply state this would be my preference In one way to address the situation that we're facing today. Thank you. You're welcome If there's another discussion Pat, would you call her old please? Monteverre Aye Moody Aye Perez Aye Rindfleisch Aye Van Ackren Aye Vanderweel Aye Wongamon Aye Warner Aye Wenger Aye Bauman Aye Berg Aye Boney Aye Graf Aye Manny No Thirteen Ayes, one No Motion carried 583 by Alderman Graf, Stefan Doyle, Boney, authorizing transfer transferring appropriations in a 2003 budget. Alderman Graf I'll move that the resolution be put upon his passage Move to second resolution be put upon his passage under discussion Hearing none, would you call her old please? Moody Aye Perez Aye Rindfleisch Aye Van Ackren Aye Vanderweel Aye Wongamon Aye Warner Aye Wenger Aye Bauman Aye Berg Aye Boney Aye Graf Aye Manny Aye Montbite Mayor Aye Fourteen Ayes Motion carried I'm hopeful Four sixty Public Works Recommending entering into a contract for the Salisbury District Riverfront Promenade Alderman Bauman Thank you, Your Honor. I'd move that we accept and file the report of committee and pass the attached resolution Move to second to accept and adopt the RSC and pass the resolution under discussion Hearing none, would you call her old please? Perez Aye Rindfleisch Aye Van Ackren Aye Vanderweel Aye Wongamon Aye Warner Aye Wenger Aye Bauman Aye Berg Aye Boney Aye Graf Aye Manny Aye Montbite Mayor Aye Moody Aye Fourteen Ayes Motion carried Six fifty-eight will go to finance, six fifty-nine will go to public works, six sixty Alderman Vanderweel Thank you, Your Honor. I'd like to make a motion to have ordinance six sixty lie over You don't need a motion for that. It's on the agenda for lying over Yeah Oh it doesn't It doesn't see on there Oh, we forgot to put It'll lie over That's right, it's not other matter. That's why it's not on there Okay, thank you, it'll lie over That's right, it's the other matter Six sixty-one, along with six forty to a resolution by Alderman Graf We did that I did that Okay Steve They're printed so he doesn't have to read them Yeah, they're on the amended sheet Oh, okay Six sixty-two can be accepted and placed on file, Alderman Moved Moved Moved in second to place the RO on file. All in favor Aye Opposed? Motion carried Six sixty-three will go to plan, six sixty-four will go to city plan commission Six sixty-five will go to city plan commission Six sixty-six, resolution by Alderman Bonet authorizing grant permission on behalf of the city for the Blue Harbor Project developer to command certain construction work. Alderman Bonet Moved in second to resolution, be put upon this passage under discussion Hearing none, would you call the roll please Moonflash Ben Akron Aye Vanderwheel Aye Wongerman Aye Warner Aye Weniger Aye Fowlman Aye Berg Aye Bonet Aye Graf Aye Manny Aye Montemayor Aye Moody Aye Perez Aye Fourteen, aye Motion carried Approachment into the north side of Mayflower Avenue, west of North 13th Street for the purpose of maintaining an existing fence for property located at 1330 Mayflower That will go to plan commission Six sixty-nine is an ordinance granting Gary Plummer, his air science privilege of encroaching upon described portions of Mayflower Avenue for the purpose of maintaining an existing fence That will also go to plan commission Moved in second to adjourn under discussion Hearing none, all in favor Aye Opposed? Aye