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I did not hear a train That's good. I don't feel like wearing my headphones right now Military helicopters going by the deep base of their engines probably for Super Bowl 50 security Why do we need helicopters for that? All right, how we shall we try to I'm so tired That's how you psych yourself up for a show can we can we not I'm so tired Okay I drank all the B12 and it's not doing anything drink some more drink up. Here we go do it for tax Without advertising your radio station would sound like this Without your support on patreon.com the daily tech news show would sound like this We thank you for your support Daily tech news show comm forward slash support This is the daily tech news for Monday February 1st 2016 I'm Tom Mara joining me today Veronica Belmont host of dear Veronica on a gadget co-host of sorden laser and proud American as today we begin our electoral process in the Iowa caucuses Veronica I Caucus kind of makes carcass makes you just the way it's pronounced Hey, we're gonna talk about transportation today though Hyperloop transportation transportation via vacuum tube pneumatic tubes of the future like like in Futurama except not No, this is this is becoming more real by the moment like two years ago when this was announced I was like, yeah, sure. Maybe I guess technically on paper it works, but I don't know Are people with a lot of money are working on are you becoming a believer? I'm a hopeful believer I love future tech. So I want to believe we'll talk about that in a little bit Let's start off with some headlines on Monday Microsoft research disclosed efforts to build a submersible data center called project Natick NIT ick and AT ick According to the New York Times a prototype capsule named Leona Phil pot little who are What's it face? They're game And now I've blanked on it. I don't know it's a reference to the most popular Microsoft game ever anyway Actually a good point that probably is the The thing halo. I wanted to say Hulu and then I couldn't say halo. Yeah, hello reference to halo. Anyway, that went smooth Leona Phil pot was submerged one kilometer off the Pacific coast of the United States from August to November 2015 The capsule contained one server rack It was just a test and was filled with pressurized nitrogen for cooling And of course it also takes advantage of the natural coolness of the ocean water around it Although it doesn't actually pump any ocean water through or anything Microsoft estimates capsules could be built and deployed within 90 days The project is still in the research stage though. They have no plans as of yet for a commercial product I mean really there's so much unused space on the ocean floor Why haven't we thought of this before and Captain Jack 9 1 3 in the chat room got it Hit the nail right on the head when he said I guess it's the ultimate in liquid cooling Yeah Plus, I think the brilliance of it is they're actually using nitrogen to do the cooling so you don't have to deal with salt water and Corrosion of the pipes in the cooling and all of that you're just taking advantage of like wow when you put this thing on the seafloor Turns out it's really cold down there. It turns out who knew Samsung is pushing out ad blocking support to its internet mobile browser on phones running Android Marshmallow starting today The support will be added to phones are running lollipop in the next coming months The first helper app available was the free and open source ad block fast and an Android version of crystal is also available Yeah crystal. I think it's still if not the most popular one of the most popular iOS ad blockers Brings me to the question of why aren't people still freaking about out about ad blockers on mobile? Seem like up until the launch of ad blockers on iOS Everyone was talking about the adpocalypse that was about to happen and I have not heard much about it Whether it's had any effect at all Do you experience it? Are you feeling the burn? I don't even notice it. I I installed crystal and I Don't know that I don't see ads or don't do see ads. I mean I did it just to see how the process went I don't use an ad blocker on my desktop. I used cookie blockers like, you know Rabbit Badger and I used no script and things like that So it's never to me. It's never been about ads. It's always been about malware that can be delivered through ads I don't think it has materialized as a big thing I have not really experienced it too much. I still typically sometimes whether I'm in Chrome or Safari on my iPhone I do get some very annoying banner like ad things that pop up in the middle of the screen And I have to click them to get away and then it opens up a new window So I do see this from time to time But maybe if I was running an Android phone, I have a better better time of it Anyway, it turns out not as many people use ad blockers as everyone said they would or at least everyone else I never thought it was a good idea in theory. Yeah US FBI director James Coney and many others have expressed concern. We've talked about it before that law enforcement Would go dark in large part due to encryption There has been dispute over whether they're actually going dark So the Hewlett Foundation, which was founded by William Hewlett the founder of Hewlett Packard long ago funded a study published by Harvard and Convened by Matt Olson who if you don't know was the former director of the National Counterterrorism Center Bruce Schneier security expert and Jonathan Zitrain Who used to work for the Pew Internet Foundation? Three really smart guys got a lot of people from the government from privacy organizations from technology Operations together and said, okay, what is actually happening with data? They found that it does not seem to be the case that Surveillance is going dark. They found widespread use of end-to-end encryption is unlikely It's not being used widespread now and its adoption is unlikely because it impedes business models So your Facebook's your Google's they can't they can't track you as well if you use end-to-end encryption So they're like, I don't think these companies are really going to encourage you to use it all the time In addition fragmentation of software ecosystems impedes a standard being created a standard would help encourage widespread adoption Even if the companies didn't want one the Internet of Things devices are opening numerous unencrypted channels So even if you've encrypted everything end-to-end on your browser There's all kinds of things surveillance could learn about you from your Internet of Things And and they point out metadata is unencrypted and likely to stay so and you can learn all kinds of things from metadata In fact, that is the biggest surveillance program that the United States has going So thanks to Inga Nning for posting this in the subreddit. Oh, that's yeah, I mean they still have ways to track you I think they're they're gonna be okay for a while. Yeah, and and having really smart people in security in government There's two members of the NSA contributed to this go working members They couldn't sign it because they're working members of the NSA But said like this is what is actually going on and getting a fairly Accurate look at it says no, you're not going dark good Oh man. Yeah, that's that's incredible stuff I mean, it's it's just so fascinating to kind of follow follow this this story and and see how You know the especially when it comes to politics and the fight over You know encryption and security and national security and how that's all tied together Very interesting. Uh the information's a mirror Friday as his sources say google intends to take over the design of nexus hardware as well as software in the future The idea would be to vertically integrate the hardware and software in a way similar to how apple makes the iphone Yeah, so if this is true google wants to Wants to make the products not just sell them Right now if you notice like the nexus 6p is made by huawei. It's branded huawei Google puts stock android on it and sells it But it's a partnership and what they would want to do is more of what apple does Which is sure fox con makes the iphone in many cases, but it's an apple product apple sells its apple branded Yeah, and I think that it's interesting though. So it would just be the nexus phones. I think probably for now, right? Yeah, probably they might make a tablet that way I mean the pixel the google pixel is that that is a laptop a chromebook laptop made by Wait, is it chromebook or is that the android one? Made by google and sold by google and the manufacturer doesn't enter into the branding like so that's that's kind of the test case for it Very cool So, yeah, I would be it would be google taking a page from apple Kind of cool, but also more verticalities more silos Well, as long as they don't prevent other manufacturers from making android devices I mean would that do you think that's the way it would go over time is they would just be only making nexus phones and devices And you're right in that way Yeah, I mean they yeah, I mean if it proved to be a huge success and that going that apple route of of being the manufacturer And the software creator were was working for them Then perhaps maybe they would stop licensing out android, but that seems kind of Antithetical to everything they've kind of been about with android for the past many years Yeah, no, I think you're right. I mean they they they will continue to benefit from people making their own android devices And putting skins on them. It would just give them more control over these stock devices Still hate silos though. Don't want silos You have an iphone No silo I'm on it. But yeah, but it has a browser put everything in the browser. I don't care who makes the actual hardware That's my problem PC world reports on a reddit user called alexa p who has created a way to complain when his comcast internet speed drops down Automatically every hour a raspberry pi runs a speed test If the speed on his connection has dropped below 50 megabits per second the pi Tweets about it from the account a underscore comcast underscore user alexa p says he pays for 150 megabits per second Down and 10 up and the account was set up on october 30th, and it has posted 16 times Even posted the python code up on payspin for others who might want to do this themselves Thanks to cap and kipper for posting this in the subreddit How about a bot for canceling comcast? Well, it's funny is Comcast unfailingly Responds to each of these automatic posts saying dms your account number and we'll see what we can do Which is the right thing to do and alexa says no I'm not going to do that because I want this to be an awareness issue Like there are plenty of other people having this slowed down as well And I want people to understand just how often it happens And it really does and I mean and they make it very clear too And this has happened with us in for other internet providers as well Where they give you they say oh you're going to get this down You're going to get this up. This is the package you're buying and yet if you don't get that they're like Well, you know, there's no guarantee that you're going to get those speeds So speeds are like best-case scenario kind of situations And it just makes you so angry because you're like no, but I pay for this Like if I didn't want those speeds, I would do a lower tier and then I would still be getting the same speeds I'm roughly getting now And I like what he's like good ones, but yeah Well, and here's the thing if I pay for 150 megabits per second as this person is and I'm only getting 140 Personally, I'm fine with that. I understand how the internet works. No speed test is 100 accurate No network can deliver at capacity if they're marketing it as up to 150 megabits per second at peak times That's fine. If it's below 50 and I'm paying for 150 though. That's too far. That is outside the realm That's a totally that's like a different tier all together Oh, it's my turn Samsung announced its galaxy unpacked 2016 event the mobile world congress in Barcelona Will happen February 21st The video teaser shows a man wearing a gear vr headset leaning forward as if to grab something Tech crime speculates it could mean the next samsung galaxy s phone could add functionality Like positional tracking to the gear vr Although it could also just mean that they wanted the guy to do something in the video because they're like Oh, that's kind of static with them just sitting there. Have them reach forward. Yeah I'm doing it right now. I can't run the video It's like virtual reality That's cool. I've always wanted to go to mobile world congress because I want to go to Barcelona Well, peter wells peter wells, uh, who we are getting closer and closer all the time to being able to bring on as a regular contributor for a sixth the day of daily tech news show will be at mobile world congress And it's going to do some updates for us from there. That is not the same as being there and eating their hemone though So, yeah, ten beck was proud of my pronunciation of buffalona Uh, yeah, I think well, it'll be a samsung galaxy s7 for sure and a probably a new gear vr And probably the s7 will do some nifty trick in combination with the gear vr. That's my guess So many good vr stuff going on. It's awesome What's not awesome is that the united states in europe did not agree to a new secure data transfer protocol By the january 35th deadline set by europe's privacy regulars regulators A previous agreement was ruled invalid by the european court of justice back in october You may recall if you're a long time listener of dts all the way back to october ours technica reports european data authorities are going to publish their own views on what the data transfer protocols should be on Wednesday the new york times says that the us and e u remain divided on how to protect european citizens data from government Surveillance here in the united states among other issues And this causes a lot of uncertainty for companies, especially smaller companies About what they can do if they have a server outside of europe in the united states But customers in europe And it goes both ways too, right for for american companies operating in europe as well Yeah, it's more of a concern Because the uh the data protection seems to be more heavily leaned towards europe that they would get They'd more likely get in trouble in europe than get in trouble in the united states But yeah, it it goes both ways. You're absolutely right It means that any company trying to transfer data between these two regions Is is going to have a lot of hoops to jump through to do it legally And uncertainty even then of whether the hoops they jumped through were the right hoops All right, the verge points to a polyt polyt polyt dot nl polyt dot nl site. I figured that from the dot nl Domain there, but I don't know how to say the first part polyt dot nl story that law enforcement in the netherlands is partnering with a raptor training company named guard from above To intercept quadcopters and other uas's or uavs A video from polyt shows an eagle grabbing a quadcopter in midair using its incredibly sharp and strong talons And I saw this story this morning And I was really excited about it because I think that is badass And when we say raptors we're talking about birds of prey not raptors not velociraptors could be falcons Right this case. It's an eagle It could be falcons. It could be could be eagles could be hawks How I don't I don't know that this is particularly dutch But how cool is it that in japan? They have another robot with a flying net go and attack the quadcopter like we've seen that Japanese Yeah, but in in the netherlands. They're like, oh no, we will have all our falconer in this case an eagle You know like very european I guess I'm partial to it because we used to have a falcon at at&t park that attacked the seagulls and they don't have them anymore Well, and as a listener if we have concerns, uh, they're one of the recent episodes was all about falconry Um to which I say let's learn to be falconers. We could all get jobs fighting quadcopters I um, I think it's a uh a very uh It's an interesting idea. I hope it doesn't hurt the eagles. That's I hope yeah I hope those little spinny things are pretty the propellers on quadcopters and other unmanned vehicles can be pretty sharp And pretty dangerous that we saw on mythbusters Um, so hopefully You know, it can't cut your throat out, but it could definitely nick the skin a little bit take out a few feathers So so I worry about the birds of prey a little bit Well, I worry I worry not so I mean I do worry that I don't want the birds of prey to get hurt I also worry that it's a bird of prey if you heard it it can take revenge on you Oh, yeah, I know through you live. Yeah, they're very smart Yeah, not just with its talents, but also with its connections highly connected birds Tech in asia reports that cannellis estimates xiaomi maintained its Top spot as the top smartphone brand in china followed by huawei and apple Cannellis reported xiaomi had a 15.2 percent share of the chinese market Huawei had 14.7 percent So not a big lead for xiaomi in china and apple had a 12.5 percent Share vivo is expected to make a good showing in 2016 possibly break into those top three PC mag reports us mobile here in the united states Which operates on the t-mobile network is importing and selling xiaomi phones and phones from maizhu in china as well They will sell and support the phones although they aren't official us releases of the phones So they can't access us lte or hspa plus And they also won't be able to use some of the built-in services that xiaomi pre installs Which are meant for china only Interesting uh logger dalek wants us to make sure you didn't miss the port of windows 95 to your browser 19-year-old andrea falls of scotland I use javascript and the mscripten emulator to get a fully functioning install of windows 95 to run in a browser Try it at htps colon backslash backslash win 95 dot ajf dot me Sorry forward slash forward slash. I loved this I it takes a while it took a while for this to launch for me It's not fast And maybe that's just because the server is getting hit, but it did work and I was playing minesweeper Circa 1995 hey in my browser Nice only with javascript like this is a feat. This is an impressive feat Uh, finally alphabet reported revenue of 21.3 billion dollars earnings of eight dollars and 67 cents a share Taking analyst expectations outside and stomping on them analysts expect a 20.8 billion and eight dollars and nine sets of share That makes alphabet Uh, probably when all all the counting is done the most valuable publicly traded company in the world at 558 billion dollars Now in front of apple Some more details from recode for the holiday quarter paid clicks rose 31 percent annually But cost per click dropped 13 percent year over year prior quarter those figures were 23 and 11 percent respectively And uh, this is where we can now see the difference between google and what they call their other bets Uh, so if you look at that the other bets part which is nest fiber Google x with the self-driving cars all of their experiments They have revenue of 448 million losses of 3.6 billion dollars and they're expected to have losses in that side It helps make google look more profitable to put the losses in another section and capital expenditures of 869 billion dollars Other businesses besides ads backing play Hardware sales and enterprise was 2.1 billion for the fourth quarter. It was 1.95 billion in the same quarter last year Although that was before the alphabet splits. I'm not sure how much that affects It's a lot of money. Uh, yeah, basically alphabet killed it crushed it Yeah, chris nushed it and and my wife is a stockholder and an employee of google through youtube Congratulations. Yeah, I don't I I just to be clear I don't get to benefit from that other than indirectly it is is not none of it is my money Not by you a house. She can be stow upon me Cars. Yeah, but uh, but I don't benefit from it. So but still I have to disclose that buy you a chalet She's gonna buy more subscription fashion boxes. Yes It's gonna up her la tote subscription Can you do that? I don't I don't know. I just made that up. I don't know if you could do that Uh, I just know that the black box comes and so do so many others pink now It's new. It's gonna be a a korean beauty binge Purchasing we need oh I lead and I need to start that company. That's the company. We need to start There you go. The k beauty box. I'm not joking. No, I'm not joking either. He really should So folks submit your stories to us. Let us know what you'd like us to talk about The windows 95 thing is in there simply because you were so excited about it on the subreddit I mean, I was excited, too I didn't think it was that big of a story But y'all loved it So we put it in submit your stories daily tech news show dot reddit dot com And thanks to those who do it that is a look at the headlines Okay, so this weekend SpaceX sponsored the first pod design competition challenge at texas a and m In the college station Just settled down longhorn fans. It's fine. It was still a good competition They gave the top rating to mit They allow 20 other teams to be cleared to continue in the competition. That's out of 115 Teams that were competing to design these pods and the next phase will be a race That they hope to conduct this summer on a one mile test track Right over there in hawther in california. Oh, can we can I come can we cover it? Yes? We totally should That'd be amazing assuming this actually happens construction is supposed to be get in spring and I have no idea having been over there Where they're going to put it but apparently they've got a place in mind Engadgets daniel cooper has an excellent roundup on hyperloop today if you want to take a look at it over at engadget.com But essentially it's showing that There's progress being made. It's not just this competition for the pods But the idea of two companies sinking millions of dollars into being the first one to offer service by the end of the decade Is a true fact Yeah, so this is uh, so for those who don't know, uh, elan moss got kind of wrapped up in this whole hyperloop idea after he Saw the just astronomical costs that california spending on our high speed rail And this is a project that's going to take decades It's going to go up into the billions of dollars and it still can't go faster than 200 miles an hour So it's still going to be you know, a few several hour trip down to la um So this was uh, he decided he wanted to open source this idea and kind of put the put the project out there and allow All sorts of different kinds of people to come together and work on the hyperloop technology A hyperloop of course being as we joked about earlier in the show A a low pressure environment, you know these tubes that people can essentially travel in with a vacuum As a vacuum and it's not pneumatic tubes. Well, I guess it kind of technically Yeah, it's not 100 of vacuum either, but it works on the same principle So of course like we're we're all very familiar with like maglev technology Those that that's the tech that trains in in china and japan use that can travel, you know, extremely fast up to 300 and almost 70 miles per hour Which is just i've been on them before and it's pretty mind blowing When you're actually on the train itself just how fast it's moving But this would be this would be even faster. I mean this is i'm trying to it would be up to 750 miles per hour So twice that twice that of what the current fastest railroads can travel Um, and so when you think of that that's like Oh my god I mean safety concerns obviously kind of pop into mind first and foremost at least for me And who are these people who are going to be testing this technology in the early days because you'll be liquefied I mean if something goes wrong Keep in mind. This is still slower than the concord jets flew Okay, they don't reach 750 miles per hour immediately No, I mean they have to move up to it. They have to yeah You don't just get slammed into into juice at the back of the pod one hopes So funny, but yeah, so right now there are two primary companies. Um, who are unfortunately very similarly named There's hyperloop transportation technologies and then there's hyperloop technologies Two separate companies. Uh, hyperloop technologies is currently the much more well funded Venture that's going on. Uh, shirvin peshavar and also co-founded by engineer broken van brogan Kevin bro grant broken who designed the falcon one and dragon Space devices. Yeah capsule devices And also the ceo's sx sysco president rob loyde And um, it's so that one definitely has a lot of steam behind it right now And also I think elon is kind of on team hyperloop technologies as well From what I've been reading But then there's also hyperloop transportation technologies that feels kind of more like the upstart Which is led by german dirk alborn They're crowdsourcing science and engineering expertise from employees of companies like nasa tesla spacex And they're not being paid. They're all being rewarded with options for the company if it eventually succeeds and you know goes public What's cool about them is go ahead. Sorry. No, no I was just gonna say and and they're both of these companies are actually building test beds Yes, we'll have three test beds for hyperloops eventually That's right. So the test bed for hyperloop technologies That one is in north los vegas at apex industrial park They're going to begin testing by the end of the year and then the test bed for hyperloop transportation technologies Htt is uh going to be in quay valley. That's in california here It's it's between san francisco and and los angeles somewhere in that range I think it's close to I I was for some reason. I thought it was kind of close to merced But I don't really know I'll have to look it up. Anyway, um, it's uh So it's a loop and you can go around the town the entire town in 80 seconds And they hope to have their first working loop by 2017 They'll actually ferry their workers from one side of the town to the other Uh, so that would be a working unit Yeah, and that's a planned community that is yet to be built So it would like if you eventually move to quay valley, you would have a hyperloop from the beginning Yeah, so they have a lot of stuff They have to get through first because planned communities like this actually like take a lot of you can't just like build a town apparently you have to like Go through the right or you know state process to like it's not like the old days He just popped up a saloon Yeah, exactly. Um, hope a caravan stops by eventually wait for the covered wagon But anyway, so it's this is stuff that's going to be happening You know, hopefully have working designs with people in them by next year Yeah, if everything goes right By by the summer we'll have a one mile one and a half kilometer test bed right here in my backyard in haathorne california Uh, then by the end of the year We'll have a larger test bed in north las vegas and then by next year we'll have three including the one from htt in quay valley And we'll have pods being designed by some of the smartest young engineers in the country Competing to make these pods that that are lightweight easy to manufacture And and going back to what you said at the very beginning All of this is supposed to cost billions of dollars But many many fewer billions of dollars than the high speed train in california was supposed to cost And or is supposed to cost. Yeah, and on top of all that you don't need to build entirely new systems for the actual hyperloop transportation like system because It can be put up on pylons raised above existing highways So you don't have to like buy tons of land like you do for the railroad You don't have to dig massive tunnels. I mean you can essentially just elevate it over existing roads So you don't have to go through that additional cost and time to basically build new infrastructure I mean you have to build infrastructure, but it can be built on top of existing infrastructure Well, it's mostly the land use rights For the train because you you don't have room to put Safety corridor for tracks to be laid in between the two the northbound and southbound lanes of interstate five here in california You had to buy land and get land use rights and negotiate land use rights And what musk was saying is you could build this in the median like you just you just like trains are built You know elevated in chicago above streets. You could do it with this Very cheaply because you just manufactured the pylons. You put the pylons up You can also build the cylinders that the tube is created Of separately It sounds very similar to the way they build rockets at SpaceX is what he's thinking And then bring them to the site and just lift them up You don't have to build them in place that that saves you money as well But time you must construct additional pylons Yes That's true and and that one of the downsides Of this is that you you would probably have to get a state or government on board wherever you build this Whether it's in california or somebody somewhere else Because financial backers typically don't want to take bets on big transportation products projects like this Without some kind of state backing And and so that could be a problem Also, it's not going to go into the center of cities that's too dense So you're going to have to have some sort of endpoint that's still outside the city So I you know theoretically it could it could end at a point in los angeles for me That would take it would take an hour to get from san francisco to los angeles But then another hour to get from the endpoint of the hyperloop to my house Right and and as ian points out in the chat like for it to work most efficiently it has to run straight Um so it has to be really a straight line for at least for the high speed portions of the trip I mean once it slows down it can probably make curves and turns But initially want to get you know I I am assuming based on how things like this work that it needs to be a straight line as possible. Yeah But time savings new york to washington dc a flight just the flight part not going through security and everything Just the flight part is an hour and 15 The hyperloop could do it in 30 minutes. So it's it's a big possible savings Lots of ifs still but i'll be honest back in 2013. Like I said, I was very skeptical that this would ever turn into anything And now you've got two well funded companies one little more well funded than the other For sure, but two well funded companies building test tracks wanting to make this happen There's room for both of them to do it if they can get the states on board And you've got you've got the pods being built. I mean, I mean some of the smartest minds in technology and science and engineering are working on this now For money, but also for no money just because they're passionate about the idea of solving a major transportation issue And I think that if they do come up with working models You know, I think california is going to be pretty stoked To be the first state to maybe integrate something like this into our our transportation systems And they don't have to they're not paying for it I mean they'll the pay hopefully to implement it once the technology gets sorted out But they're not developing this like they're having private companies are developing this for them So maybe Maybe it'll be a private thing Forever who knows maybe it'll never be like the the interstate highways or the you know the highway system Which is you know taken care of by state and and national government, but Either way, I'm excited to use it Yeah, I I'm nervous to try it, but I'm excited about it I just don't want to be pancake goo No, uh, please don't start it at 752 miles an hour. Yes, work up work up to it slowly Well, anyway, you can check out more like I said engadget.com geek wire has the story on the design contest We'll have a link to the white paper from spacex where this all got kicked off In our show notes at dailytechnewsshow.com our pick the day comes from riko in waffely brussels That is how riko described brussels. Uh, so there you go. Belgian waffles I heard veronica berating patrick on his poor use of doodle I could very much relate to that every time a doodle would show up in my inbox I would cringe and squirm Just thinking of that web 1.0 interface irked me that non-mobile optimized page Arg someone save me. Wow Lots of hate for the interface. He must never Okay, it's not web 1.0. It's a very it's a minimalist design. Okay. It's a difference Well, he likes a bite dot a i n v y t e dot i n Seriously slick interface mobile optimized efficient email and the killer feature. It's a french company Ah too late. Beja just moved to finland. Great. Oh well Uh, he says my favorite feature is that I can let other bite users see my calendar to make it even easier to propose slots You can also vote for locations and have a conversation thread. And did I mention it's also french You did he did we you did uh, did I mention patrick is now finish on a day's actually still french But he lives at finland now He'll be out live from finland tomorrow It's exciting send your picks to us folks like riko did. Thank you riko. That was awesome v y t e dot i n I may try that next time daily tech new show dot com slash picks for more picks Uh, I got some expert emails today kevin in semi sunny, north carolina Said I recently worked for a top 10 u.s bank partly on atm's the banks themselves Program very little of the user interface the companies mentioned ncr and dibald and a handful of others Do most of it in layers ncr dibald and seamans provide the hardware nos And they and a few other companies provide the banking platform the banks themselves generally only customize those things So when a bank of america or chase once the cardless feature that we were talking about on friday The rest of the banks will get that feature a little while later built in if they choose to use it Is a totally different thing But it will be built for a boa and be available in the software Usually that's driven by the interface work that they have to do to the mainframe By the way, if you see an atm that is still a green screen terminal looking thing the odds are very high It's still running os2 warp You're we were joking about windows 3.1 and windows xp on these things, but os2 warp sigh says kevin in semi sunny, north carolina Uh, we got big jim Very excited Writing in amazon is calling themselves a transportation service provider. Holy crap And he points to a link at american shipper.com. He says this is huge. This is a potential game changer They're potentially leasing planes They're an nvo cc, which means that they can legally buy and sell ocean slots with the carriers. We've mentioned that before They purchased all those trucks omg. Seriously. This is a big ass deal What is he so excited about? Well american shipper.com says that in amazon's annual 10k report submitted to the sec amazon for the first time ever referred to itself as a transportation service provider And in the filing amazon referred to companies that provide fulfillment and logistics services for themselves or third parties as competition So they're essentially letting the securities exchange commission know We're a company that does this kind of business shipping So when you're regulating things you have to take note of that you're legally required to describe the businesses You're in so that you can't secretly compete without people without playing by the rules Fascinating Transportation service provider. So does that mean that that amazon could be working on hyper loop technology too For packages. Well, you know, that's one of the things the hyper loop could do Would be to deliver packages and get the trucks off the road Yeah So that was oh this perfect segue because someone else in the chat room mentioned this and this was another Feature of the article that we forgot to mention Which is that hyper loop is going to make a huge difference for freight shipping Because instead of it'll probably start for transportation Like for transportation of goods rather than transportation of people because that's going to be a lot more economical You can pack a lot more goods into a tube than you can a bunch of people And safety isn't the biggest concern in the world in in that fact. It's just getting things there faster I'm sorry. I'm not sure who mentioned that in the chat, but yeah, it's uh, probably big jam is also talking about it too But yeah, it's definitely freight freight is where it's at Yeah, and what amazon is saying here is despite the fact that in their earnings call They're like, we don't want to replace other shippers. We're going to continue to use shippers like ups Uh, they're telling the sec. We're we're a shipper. We're definitely gonna shit. We're definitely going to Just so you know Adam eastwood wrote in and said just got caught up on your episodes from last week and thought it was interesting That boston is where starry internet was being tested after thinking about it being chosen over cities like new york san francisco or salt lake I realized it must be because of the setup of the city unlike most cities. There's no grid pattern to the streets It's like the wild west out there. It's hard to get light of sight. Yeah, right. You've lived in boston Yeah, no that at the all the a lot of the major roads are built off of old school cow paths That they would just like wind through the hills and through the streets and around like, you know former rivers and things before it all got filled in so They're all one way none of them make any sense and they're beautiful But they're pain the ass to drive in And adam says if they're able to prove that their line of sight technology can work in a city designed like boston They'll be able to prove it could work in anywhere Basically, he says if only I live closer to boston to try this out But I doubt it'll make it down here to northern roth road island for a long time Is there a northern rhoda island? Is it big enough to have a northern? No Not to quibble with adam just rhoda island is the one that kinetic it can still make fun of It says the woman from kinetic it No, all kidding aside adam that that is a great point. Boston makes perfect sense for them to say look We really think this can work. You don't we we don't have nice straight streets. We can beam the signal down So, yeah, that's smart. Uh, thank you for anekabell month As always Engadget your speechless engadget.com Slash video dash series slash deer dash veronica Something like that go to the or go to the video page and you'll find the redesign has been a little confusing for people I think engadget.com slash deer dash veronica still works So you can go there and we'll take you to deer veronica. Uh, always love to answer your questions We have scott johnson on this week. Nice. Um, I list because my tooth got stuck on I got a hurdy I have a hurdy taste bud. Do you ever get a hurdy taste buds? I can blame taste bud. Uh-huh between my teachers now. 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No, I mean if you want to carry the same freight that say like union pacific or conrail do that's a lot No, I think they're trying to replace trucks more than trains Yeah, well, that's well, that's different. That's first But if you're trying to replace if you're trying to replace a freight train No, no one said anything about freight trains, but you We just said freight. Well the the advantage of a tax The advantage of a truck is that you're not limited to the track You can go wherever the road takes you and that's what was that's what happened over the years is that You have a distribution point where it comes off the freight train goes onto a semi and then the semi can reach Whatever rural town or whatever Jason, but are you dancing? No, Jim says it depends on the width of the tube. Nobody said trains Big Jim says it depends on the width of the tube and the width of the tube is six feet Six feet. Yes six feet in diameter Well, that doesn't do anything about the width of your conference. I don't know Would you like more titles or do you feel like you have enough for consideration? I haven't got any I know Oh, you must construct additional pylons as a title. Yes, I thought Veronica was just saying that Uh, and then there's we'll travel in tubes It's a series of tubes. Um, it's a starcraft joke. Yeah, no, I get that I thought you were just making it again because it's so funny, which it is. Thank you Uh, let's see what else anything else those are the top boat getters right now Do let's do the os to warp again Uh Hyperloop breaking wind No, oh, sorry Google's alphabet beats apple's best Um, I think you must construct the additional pylons. Yeah, I think so. Yeah so Yeah, oh roger to your point about uh being able to go where the road takes you One of the things that I read today was that There are bottlenecks happening with trucks in places like Los Angeles where they all have to get to the You know to the port and come out of the port and it causes traffic congestion So it could be Implied in certain places where you have a hyperloop that takes the the cargo from the port Out away from you know to a distribution point say, you know out out in the central valley somewhere And then the trucks can pick it up and take it wherever Skeptical still skeptical, but that's just me. It's good. It's good. Also I mean also one of the points is the reason why california is so expensive is Because the most logical route to reach california or san francisco to la is along highway five But because of the way pork burrowing works every other county wants the rail to go through their Real estate, so if you have to look at it take it goes to that's that's why that's what one of musk's big Motivations for this was well, you think the state already owns five. They don't have to get anybody's permission They can just build on the median Yes hopefully Can I interrupt this broadcast so that you know the jacks is out of surgery And has had five teeth removed Is that good or bad? Five teeth removed. Oh, no Little doggy. He the vet said they all basically fell out on their own. So the lesson is Never get our teeth. Yeah. Well, that's lesson number one, but the lesson number two is never get a hand-me-down dog Well, is it I mean No, it's good. It's a good thing. It wasn't like always get always get a hand-me-down dog You have done a hand-me-down. No, no, you have done in a brilliant service You have saved jackson made his life better by getting a hand-me-down dog He would have had more teeth falling out if it weren't for you That's true. I just feel bad that it took me so long to realize that his teeth were basically fossils He has all the front ones But so he could still chew and all that stuff. Oh gosh, yeah, and he has probably some of the big back ones There were these Small tiny dogs have these little like weird stubby teeth in the middle and I think those are the ones But I won't know till I see him. So I'm about to post his whole day now that I know he's alive On instagram Oh, I I only cried a little today Yeah, put them down under anesthesia is always so scary and it this shouldn't be but it just is Anyway, I'm sorry back to tech. I just had to share because I was stressing me out Well, I'm glad glad he's out. He's yeah, they're he's waking up. He's waking up slow You gotta wake up slow He's like jack johnson Yeah, I gotta take ellie to the doctor In 10 minutes. Have you brushed her teeth? She has 14 she has 14 It's almost like she's a rodent because they're right up that they're her they're her incisors So they're the top and the bottom She's getting close to being able to bite you she already is She's also been scratching me really hard. You tell her ellie. This is the hand that literally feeds you She just well, see this is the thing with babies you they do something bad And you want to scold them and then they turn around they do this like really goofy giggly smile mechanism Yeah, it's like, yeah, what are you gonna do? You can't be mad at them Yeah, and then if you keep doing that behavior, they learn to get by in their looks they do and eventually you marry them And it's like, ah, this is all weird You don't marry your own baby. No, they get married Unless you're Woody Allen, then it's just really creepy. Wow. Wait a minute. Wait a minute. What's the deal with babies? That's not Woody Allen. That's uh, that's Jerry Seinfeld. Jerry Seinfeld He's trying to change the conversation. Oh, all right Keep bringing mr. Allen back into it. Hey, when we go back to hyperloop It's a great people mover. I'm not sure about freight So I'm I'm still I'm still unless I don't know I mean, why wouldn't it also work for cargo? No, I'm not saying what I'm not saying it would not work for cargo. I'm wondering if it would be cost effective rather than putting a You know standard railroad tracks That's the reason why freight rail is the only rail in the u.s. That makes money is because There's uh, there's a cost but the and and the hyperloop is meant to compete with with passenger rail not freight rail But I think it could also be used for some cargo. So it's got a possible second use I Big Jim says yes in all caps it will be trust me faster Faster than no additional operation cost Wait Yeah, he's he's responding in real time and unfortunately we're not seeing him. Oh, okay No additional operation costs, but you I could talk ad nauseam I think what he's saying is it's not it doesn't cost more to put cargo in the pods So No, no, I'm not saying it costs more. I'm wondering in terms of cost efficiency to ship The cargo that way versus just using standard rail Like yeah, I know I understand you can put it and and In a hyperloop and it would be able to take it what I'm saying is is that the most effective way? He's saying yes, it is more cost effective. I don't I don't know He's got a tech and trade episode about this if you can go check it out Okay Or you two can just get in the chat room and hash it out. No, I see him in the chat room But I have to go in like six minutes That's okay. I ain't got time to be right What it's the internet no one's right on the internet. No, everyone's right in the internet. That's the problem Everyone thinks they're right The realm of public opinion Perception is this paramount Yeah, I think actually as messy as it is right now and Again, I usually tend to look at long-term effects as positive But I feel like we are learning more now than ever what The difference between public perception and reality is And the more we have these little internet outrages about things the more people learn like oh, wait a minute. That's not true Like it it you you've got to have those fights for people to have the whites to gain the widespread knowledge of how things actually work Or it could just be idiocracy Or or that yeah Good topic veronica. Thanks looping it in Oh, that's a good one. Yeah Wanted to loop you in yeah I Wonder if they can build the tubes when they put them on pylons, but you would have to Make sure that they're seismically Sound but after an earthquake, you know, like I've always wondered can they put like some jiggle room? So if like, you know, it shakes a little bit. You don't have to worry about the tracks coming somewhat unaligned Well, the yeah, the question is what is their? Uh, earthquake policy. What is their engineering around that? of it It's not I don't think you're the I'm not the first person to bring it up. They're like, oh crap. I remember the first one. I wonder what it is. Yeah I remember the first time they tried out barts over uh, uh rails the barts system in the east bay and they test on a The car a test car on a track and it just literally kept going after the track ended that boom right off Oh, really? Yeah They they hadn't figured out how to put in brakes Well, the thing about bart is it's entirely computer controlled the the operators said the the computer did stop it Got it. So I'm wondering you because hyperloop would actually be perfect for a completely automated system Like yeah, I think it's designed to be automated So You should probably we should probably do a show about it so you could learn about it. Okay What what? Well, no, I just it sounds like you're you're bringing up things that I I know I've read about I don't remember the answers No, I'm sorry. Like the I no, no, don't be sorry Okay What is happening? I'm Instagramming about my dog and I like yours is weird To me on conversation What's happening here? Well, we're just saying things like You know, it maybe it's you maybe it could be an automated system and I'm like, yeah, I think it is Like I think that's that's how they're planning on doing it. Right, but then I don't really know the answers Right. Okay. So you guys are are I'm talking out loud. Yeah, and then I was trying to make fun of myself by saying we you know I should look into this and do an episode about it Well, it would be cool Mm-hmm. Okay. If anyone wants to see jacks's progress it's located at awe underscore palm aww underscore pom On instagram. I didn't snapchat it because I didn't want to start putting it live. You have your own Instagram account the dog has an instagram account You know, that's the first thing you eat bodega. No, I'm gonna look a look right now I'm gonna post a daily picture in a while though Daily ish Yeah, the picture of him being led in is really just the saddest thing ever He's a good one to go What is happening? And just like the way his body languages is so sad Little ears are back No, little body y'all little line daily bodega got it All right, I'll be back in a couple hours. Okay. Have fun ellie. All right Y'all Thanks, roger Oh jacks, I can't wait to pick him up time will not go fast enough In the rear with the gear You must construct additional pilo aww underscore palm All right, I am out of the post Oh, I lost my cute bodega picture. Oh I'll post a different one What's happening with the snapchat? Yeah, I don't like that. That's the one thing I don't like. I have to really focus and remember to download the pictures that I like Yeah, also, am I correct in saying in snapchat that there's no way to upload a picture to snapchat only to a private message Oh, I see. Okay. That's good to know Yeah, but not like you can't take them and then put them up later Yeah, the whole founding idea of snapchat is this is not permanent All right So you're supposed to capture the moment around you and send it for ephemeral enjoyment I've been having fun on snapchat Sundays I know you have to go tom and you're done with the actual doing of work and we're just instagramming. Oh, no, I just I just finished I'm sorry Oh, so cute. He's so cute Get your puppy He's so oh, he's so cute his little bow tie on oh my god. I know My dog is like automatic endorphin boost It's one of the best things about him and why I only cried twice today How old is he? He's eight. Oh, man. That's why he lost five teeth He's an old toothless man. He's an old toothless man. It's all right. He won't eat dry food anyway, so All right, thanks everybody