 Okay, everyone this meeting is now being recorded and my name is Angela Mills and I work for the town of Amherst. We are recording this meeting and it will be uploaded to the town of Amherst YouTube channel by our IT department. At this time I would like to note for everyone that we do not have a quorum. And there is one attendee in the attendee room so thank you for this wonderful attendee Shoshana King in the attendee room. I am going to ask if anyone would like to take over the role of post for the meeting. I can do it. Excellent. Okay. Angela, do you mind making it so I can also share a screen because I'd like to go over the call to artists and the application with everybody tonight. Sure, no problem. So, Jim, do you know how to make Gabriella co host. Frankly, I don't think I'm going to I'm going to reclaim the host and make Gabriella co host. Good. And then I will make Jim the host now. Alright, so Gabrielle, our wonderful executive director of the bid is here. And so just so everyone's aware, since we don't have a quorum of the group, it can be an informational session, but no substantive voting can take place. If Dar shows up, will it be then? Yep. Okay, we'll have four. No, you'll have four because Gabrielle is not a member of your group. So you need five in order to reach core. Yeah. So we won't have one tonight then because Robert can't come. Okay. All right. So have a great meeting everyone and Gabrielle thanks for being with us. And, and thanks everyone for your hard work. And I love the new display in town hall so thanks for the guest artists this month. Thank you, Mikey. Well, just to put note on the discussion point. Legally, technically we can discuss because there's only three of us were not a quorum but the problem is that they're the law that there's a series they call it seriatum forums where like I discuss it with Laurie Laurie discusses with Mikey Mikey goes off and discusses it with two more people boom just finally the open meeting law. And therefore, a great deal of discretion is a really good idea. I'm not a minute approval, we can't do because we don't have a quorum chair report because we don't have a chair. Poetic dialogue status of repairs. Is your Shawna in the waiting room or is she here, can she. Oh, she's right. She's better in. Invite. How do I do that. I haven't you go to you click on participants, and then she'll show up in your waiting room and you can let her in. She's in the waiting room. I'm going to bring her to a panelist if that's okay with everybody. If you can do it. Great. She should be popping up. There you go. There she goes. How'd you do that just for my future reference. If you look at the bottom of your screen, you'll see a participant. Yes. Okay, so you click on that and then on the right hand of your screen, you'll see panelists and participants. She was, I'm sorry, you'll see panelists and attendees, and if she was still in attendees, you'd see three little dots by her name. You click on that and then you move her to panelist, and if you don't want somebody to be a panelist. You just want to allow them to speak, you can just say allow to speak. Okay, thank you. Yeah. So Shoshana you're on honey. Okay, hi gang. Hello. Hi Shoshana. I talked to Kamal, and he said that he'd be willing to put Robert Frost back for like $500. How do I even time out? I forgot. Is somebody taking minutes because I can't, I don't think I can manage to reside and take minutes at the same time. This is being recorded so you might, and because you're not an actual, you're just doing discussion, I don't think that you have to take minutes. No, we don't have to, but it could be, I mean do we want to, I just think it's handy because she's about to say important things that I want to remember. Let's see. Yeah, if someone could just jot down that Kamal will do it for 500, but he'd like to do it. So sooner would be better than later. He'd like to do it when he'd like to do it this spring. Like as soon as like soon, I guess. We need to get that on next meeting's agenda. Hopefully we'll have quorum. And do you, have you given all of his contact information over to Theresa? We keep on getting sidetracked. Like we, we've had like the first meeting that we were supposed to have I wound up being sick for and then the second one she had to go down to Florida so one of these days we're going to have a meeting and I'll give her Kamal's contact information then and give her like the orientation of, you know, the mailbox and all that kind of stuff. Who are you giving that to? What's that? Who are you giving it to? Terry. I wrote it down. I'm going to make sure that somebody else I would recommend has a copy of it because in case we run into this problem again and maybe Terry can't come. Okay, because we certainly don't want to put it off any another month or we can possibly avoid it I wouldn't think. Yeah, it would be good to get it done sooner than later. And there's money in the till for it. Okay, so I see a chat. Am I good. Thanks. It's Kamel. Yeah, thank you. Mel Peters. And that's his email. Yep. Okay. Anything else on that? Okay, we move right along to Town Hall Gallery update. Stephanie Oates exhibit is in and I went there today and put the prices under everything in with photo text paper. So it's all ready to go and up. Okay, anything else on that subject? No, no, I'll bring this stuff up at a regular meeting. Don't worry. Oh, yeah, because we can't talk about it now anyway. It won't do us any good. Nope. All right, so the next one what was on Town Hall Gallery. So now we're making making it public update. That would be Gabby. Hi, how was everybody. I understand that on many levels. I'm going to share my screen with everybody. I'm going to turn it back to you. I'm going to turn it back to you. I'm going to turn it back to you. I spent another 45 minutes today with our representative at NIFA. And these are some of the requests that you had made as a commission. And I just, I think I've put everything in the public grant. That you had requested. And we have also done the call for artists. And I understand you can't vote, but I'm going to turn it back to you. I was just hoping to converse with everybody, make sure that everybody was feeling good about this. Today was the deadline to put this out in a press release. Our press release is written. It's all with Brianna Sundran at the town of Amherst. We're ready to go. And we're going to let this go first thing in the morning. I just wanted to have a conversation with everybody on this commission just to make sure that we were all in the right place to vote. I think it's worth doing because nobody here objects to anything. That's not a vote. White. Nope. But. I think this was the list from Terry of things that you would like that you wanted sort of looked at, and we did. And then again went over it again with NIFA because we need, we need their buy-in more than any of our buy-ins. And they have looked at everything over with another fine too. And they have looked at everything over with another fine too. And they have looked at everything over with another fine too. And they have looked at everything over with another fine too. And they have looked at everything over with another fine too. Their only request is that when we get the grant agreement ready, it is accurate and consistent. With the call to artists and the application, which I think that we'll be able to pull together and do quite nicely. So, right. So let's just look through it. And let's see if anybody, anything leaps out at anybody. Because that's the best we can do because we can't vote. But if we see something that. We can flag it. Would you like to start where we are, which is the call to artists, and I can just scroll down slowly. All right. Why don't you all read and then tell me just give a nod of a head. I'll keep an eye on you guys when you'd like me to scroll. I have a question. Okay. Yes. In the APAC mission. It says to that and APAC seeks artwork that recognizes the experience and culture of black indigenous people of color. I guess. I didn't realize that that was. Part of I knew that we had that in there, but I didn't realize it was part of our mission and core values, which we haven't gone into our strategic plan yet, but I'm not. I don't mind leaving it there. Does anyone else have any thoughts? I don't think there'd be any loss if the two that in were taken out of there and just postpone that. What do you think, Gabby? I can start about taking. I want to make it clear that I did not write this. Maureen Pollock wrote this when she was still with the town. My concern about taking that out is that almost all the wording in the call for artists and the application is for BIPOC artists. And I think that the statement that Maureen put there was to make it clear why this is a BIPOC artists initiative. Because there will be questions of why this is not. Inclusive to all, but it is a very specific BIPOC. Grant. My understanding was that Maureen didn't put it in there. Okay. I don't know who did. Yeah, it got put in there because we decided that for this particular public art commission. We wanted to narrow it to that because we felt there was a need in the community for this focus at this particular time. And we were asked by one of the commissions of the town to, to please do that. And so we decided we would do it. Do it because that's what we were being requested, but it isn't actually, as far as I know, on the website, it's not a part of our core mission. But it's not a part of our core mission. It's not a part of our core mission. But it's not a part of our core mission. Am I correct? To that end on this occasion, eight pack seeks artwork. Did that solve the problem? I think I would suggest just if you don't feel comfortable, Laurie, and I'm sorry, I don't, I'm, as everybody knows, I came very late to this game. So I don't know who wrote what. We all did too. Unfortunately. If you'd like, I can just remove to that end the pack. And you don't really have to make that statement because. I don't know what to do with it. I don't know what to do with it. I don't know what to do with it actually. So I'm not suggesting it. If I suggest. Just let me explain myself a little bit. I generate options. Trying to find one that everybody likes. It doesn't mean I want to do it necessarily. It means I'm trying to find a solution to a problem. See. I mean, I'm not going to jump up and down. If you put it in the way it is, but I kind of think it does imply that that's our mission statement. I'm just looking on the town and for our mission statement where it is now, because this is something we have. Scheduled to really review as all. Most of us are new and we came on to this and. Wanted to really rethink, you know, the. What the mission is. So we have not rewritten it or voted on anything, but let me look and see. There's the cultural. I think it's down like a. Like a mission statement for, you know, the art commission in its life and its entirety. It's for this project is the impression I get from it. Although the one problem I always had with. I worry about, you know, like telling a, like, you know, you know, that like, you know, pigeonholing them into doing artwork that like feels black, you know, that's. That was one concern I had with it, but. It's more substantive. Yeah, that's not what the, the other committee that asks us to do this one. By the way. Yeah, I think if we just go back up a little bit to the, what, where I was asking, I think the APAC mission and core values should be what it is on the website and. You know, I think, I think taking that last sentence off, because it does say it can, you know, it promotes cultural diversity and an improved quality of life. And then this particular. Call is specifically for BIPOC. Okay. Overview statement is fosters a greater community awareness. Of the interaction with public art and through public art. Promotes cultural diversity and an improved quality of life for Amherst citizens. Which is in there. So if you were to put a paragraph when you finished stating what it was in our published mission statement, it no longer applies that what follows is part of the mission statement. So that's another solution. Put a paragraph right there. Make me make it a new paragraph. And what would you like it to say? Same thing. Just I'm trying to separate it from the mission statement and see if people are comfortable. Okay. That no longer implies that that's part of our mission statement. That was what I heard the objection as being. That. Does that look good to everybody? Laurie, your look hesitant. I'm thinking about it. It's that it's much better. Yeah. To that end. Yeah. I'm okay with that. All right. Well, that's not a vote. That's only expression of personal opinion. I hesitate to remind everyone. Okay. Okay. Let's keep going. Put on a project detail. I had no problem with it. Last time we met of the not feature commercial or religious content, but one of our other commissioners. Did. I think that was one of the ones we talked about. Could we, could it. She asked if it could be taken out. And. Terry said she would check with. The funding, you know. I think that could create some problems. I don't want to have to deal with. Okay. I'm good. One time only. But performance artists may activate an installation with performance, but performance cannot be the whole project. Projects that require access to electricity or water. It says that already. So isn't it. I don't know what that after semicolon even says. And they are sorry. One time events may. May activate an installation with performance. With, okay. I guess it's. I'm not going to nitpick. So there's a, um, it says, uh, one time events performances artists. And it's in parentheses, one part of it, but the other part is not. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. Oops. So just take that off. Yeah. Thanks. Could that be a new sentence? I mean. Nevermind. I think that I'm not. Forget it. This is not a grammar contest. I'm into the next. Paragraph of this election committee, which is back up there. Um, there was some discussion at our last meeting of. Um, I think Terry was going to check into that because. I forget some, someone was counting how many town people that added up to, and it was. Quite a few. So the one thing that the NIFA, our contact at NIFA said is that this really is, um, this has got to be a town of Amherst. Um, project and a town of Amherst grant because the full project was about taking a town employee and giving them the training. Um, and to go forth with that training and to understand now that we've lost the two people who did the training. Um, they're, they're trying to work with us and, and make this possible because the grant is there and the money's there, but they really need it to come from a town centered. Um, jury selection because that's what the whole program was about with teaching towns about public art and how to activate them. Well, um, I mean, I'm actually, I, there were a lot of different. A very detailed, um, I'm detailed look at this lot the last time we met. And this was one of the things that was raised. I'm actually not personally haven't, I don't personally have an issue with this, but it, I am bringing it up because I'm remembering all the things we talked about last time. Um, just voicing that was one of the things that was brought up that there was, I think, um, one, two, three, four, five, six, town, six or seven town staff people. And one, two, three, four. No, not even four. Actually it was eight, eight and three. I don't care. I'm not, I don't care. Sorry. I don't mean that. I just don't, I don't, it's not really, I do kind of understand what they're saying because it's people who work for the town who are employed by the town. And so we have, you know, eight people, eight town employees voting in the jury with, you know, a couple of representatives from our commission and from the town. But what is it? Does anyone else have anything to say? My biggest concern about this list is getting all of these people together because these are very stressed and very overworked individuals. Yeah. Very small. Um, I mean, the reason why we're all in this position is because the town couldn't handle this, you know, program. So, um, because they're staffing right now. So, um, it's, it's tough. It's a, it's a lot to ask, especially if a lot of applications come in, not going to be a small task at all and really needs to be looked at because when an individual artist is chosen, they are, there's going to be a community that wants to know exactly why other people were not chosen. Right. Yeah. Hey, show me, please feel free to speak up anytime you want. Okay. Yeah, it does seem like getting all those people into one room at one time is going to be a tricky, a tricky task, but I do like the fact that there's somebody from the. Um, disability. I think it's very important to have someone from disability. Um, but I also wonder if we won't be going. Um, I wonder if we could bring this to their group, the DAC meeting. Um, yeah, I don't, I mean. Do we bring the semifinalists to that meeting to have them weigh in on that so that we call it down a little bit. Same thing with the RB. Yeah, that's a good idea. We have, could we have like a with fight with, with some language that says rather than they're actually. They're going to have to sign off or have some say, but that they're not actually voting on the jury because otherwise they're going to have to attend whatever meetings we have where we're, we're trying to narrow it down. They're going to have to be at every meeting. Yeah. I like it with that and consultants that really like. Makes it so that there's some wiggle room there. To make it a little more nimble. When the time comes to actually like convene this jury. Um, I think it could be for the finalists. And not for the first part of it. So maybe, um, Just, Oh, sorry. Go ahead. I'm just thinking that maybe the, um, public arts commission and, um, Gabby can do the first part and then we could whittle that down. And then when it comes to the finalists, then we do it through. Yeah. Yeah. Thank you. I'm going to suggest just because I've been in the firing line on some other things, um, you, we're going to want a little bit more outside opinion on this than just the public art commission and myself. Um, and by that, I mean, we're going to want some diversity. Um, on our, on our group. So what I would recommend is two members of the public and two members of town staff. So we're letting whittling it down to two members on the committee. Um, and that can be DPW office. I mean, I really think we want someone from DEI and we want someone from press on this. Um, and then we probably want to bring this to the. DAAC and the DRB once we have finalists. But I really, um, I don't know who else is on this committee and I don't know how they self-identified, but I think we need to be careful that it's not going to be just a self-identified white cisgender group. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. Don't worry. I've got to say the exact same thing. It is at the moment that is what the group is. So, okay. Right. Right. Say it representative from the town. Um, Can be from blah, blah, blah in consultation with. Yes. Right. But I think that you're absolutely right, Gabby, that we have to have even in the, um, everything that comes in at least one or two people from the DEI. Yes. And I think what we can do here. Um, is what we'll do is we'll put town staff. And representatives from the town staff can be from. So we're looking for two people from that area. Then with additional representation, AKA. We'll attend the meeting of the DAACC and the DRB with the finalist. Right. Let them just make comments. And I think mainly you want the DAACC to comment on this piece of art more than the DRB, because art is in the eye of the beholder as we know, and we're not really looking for, um, a permanent recommendation from the DRB, but we'd love to show it to them to their great group. How does that sound everybody? Yes. I like that. More minority representation, the better in my opinion. Right. Yeah. Yeah. I think that. That. Very nervous. So I do want to make sure that we have some diversity on this panel. Right. Right. I am happy to reach out to Earl from press and I'm happy to reach out to Pamela and Jennifer. From DEI. And also I think that when we're looking for our two members of the public, I think that we could probably have the university in the college give us maybe ahead of the art department from each, which would be lovely. Okay. Or ancestral bridges, somebody from answer. That would be great too. We could bring a Nika on. Or one of her board members. Yep. Yeah, I would recommend maybe reaching out to, um, Demetria Shabazz. He does a lot with art. And, um, I think that's a good idea. I think that's a good idea. I think that's a good idea. I think that's a good idea. I think that's a good idea. And race. Brace relations. I'm not taking notes on all of this. Okay. Okay. I'm not because I. We're not. Yeah. And it is a recorded meeting. So if anybody needs to go back and remember what we said, it's easy to get. I mean, when we get to the point where we're coming up with these names and we will have to. We have a lot of names being added and. You know, I would add Shirley Jackson Whitaker to the list. So I think there are community members. That we can consider and. Right. Who would be able to. You know, who, who's available. I love the idea of someone from one of the universities. That's great. So I don't know who those people are, but. That'd be great. We can do some outreach. We can do some great outreach over while this is out. We can get a really great panel together. And I think it would be great to have some artists that are not going to be putting a piece into this, but I think that. Between the college and the university, we have a ton of opportunity and Dr. Whitaker sits on the ancestral bridges. Juneteenth commission. So she'd be an amazing addition. As you said, so I think that's not going to be hard. The hard part is, is that when we just start and say, like, oh, here's a great group. We're not going to be able to do that. We're just not representing the entire community. So we just have to be careful there. No, I agree. All right. So we've fixed, we fixed that to the best of our ability. May I move down a bit? Yeah. So the timeline is, is sort of set in stone by NIFA. So we kind of see what we have to, you know, do. We get a couple of, couple of little while off while artists put their presentations in, but then we will, who did we lose? I think we lost my key. Can you please email me this document? Because even though it's not really a meeting, if it were a meeting, I would need everything that was presented. Sure. Jim, do you, are you, do you have a Google email? No, I don't have a Google email. Okay. And I can't do that. I will, I will download it and email it to you. What is your email address? James. Barnhill. Call it. Use this one. California. 1969. At Comcast. Net. California. 1969 at Comcast. Net. Okay. All right. I will get that to you tomorrow. Thanks. Okay. Ready for our criteria. Let's see. Wait a minute. I see you. Yeah. I don't know if she's trying to get back in or not, but. She's gone. Okay. Well, we've got the not feature commercial or religious content to take out. Mikey, if you're trying to get back in, give me a ring or something. It takes me. Oh, we already did, right? It's, um, it's there again. It's, um, under qualifications. It's about everybody. I don't know if she's trying to get back in or not, but. I don't know if she's gone. It's under qualifications. It's about everybody. Five down. Not. Letters, so it catches the eye. I'm wondering if something didn't save because we went through and did all of this really early today. Oh, Oh, that stinks. I know. Well, if it's on. Google's been like giving me a lot of hard times about a lot of I'm not even like and or that would that's been bad and then it's like not sending my emails it's been yeah very strange um there's a my lawyer's heart is beating rapidly because you have something oh there she is it says uh unreadable incomplete applications will not be accepted all right the application is complete but it's unreadable you have to accept it um all of our applications jim are online so everything is being done through this application process so I think we're going to be able to read everything um if there is a language barrier um that's a little bit difficult for us we'll have to speak to the town lawyer and make sure that we can use google translate all you got to do is put an or between unreadable and incomplete and you got it nailed okay it's up there under application there there there there we go see now either one works is that's what you want great mickey's back we'll give a couple more seconds on this one so she can land you go mickey my computers uh have going off and on so something's wrong with the wifi at our house hold on okay I don't have any problems with it thank you thank you sorry I don't remember what the what the problem was last time with the references I don't have a problem with it and if anyone remembers I don't think please list contact information of two references or similar that's what it was that is on the application would you like it here as well no I I don't remember what the I'm not remembering what the objection was I think on the application we changed that I was trying to read it yeah I think we were worried that it was going to scare off people who didn't have a lot of um experience right where is the possibly offensive clause right here who references on similar projects required I don't really know what it takes out the required I don't know what it means two references on similar I don't know what that means well I think you you want to change it to please please list contact information um for two references so it's a little bit kinder um maybe not as frightening as the word references um so let's put that in and see how you feel about that you mean you mean regarding similar work right is that what four is supposed to mean two references who are familiar with similar work that you have done is that the thought does that read better Kim you know I I think I I kind of like what Jim saying about who are familiar with your work um the only problem is I think I didn't have such an issue with this but someone else did um they were concerned that if it's an artist's first time applying yeah creating a work for this particular um place and they've never really you know it's very different from other work they've done so the idea of getting references for similar work would take them out of the running yeah you're right if I could vote against it that's what was brought up so I wonder if if rather than similar work it could be please you know list contact information for two references who are familiar to me it would be familiar with your work yep I don't think it I don't think it has to be similar yeah that's better that's a good point plus you know what what does similar mean that's always a question too I guess if we could leave up to the interpretation of the applique key or applique cap whatever the word would be the person applying applicants there that's okay I think that's good yep all right okay so that resume or cv does that mean it's optional you don't have to submit a cv or a resume okay fine yeah I'm getting a little frustrated with periods and not periods yes trying to be consistent on it all it's a and so that's why it's really nice to always have someone else looking you know at it I don't know if you care but there's no period in front of they shouldn't be a period in front of jpeg but I don't care if you leave it in there it's on the second line under work samples thank you yeah there there there PDF forward it's in the middle of the page there isn't one in front of PDF either that was there there we go shouldn't be that's if it's an image that's where that came from I will say if that's the most important thing I've done all day I had a really bad day it's only monday jim you have all week and I'm gonna go back up and be picky I'm now I'm being a little bit picky if you go back up just the bolded a detailed project plan is not necessary at this stage please see the artist description criteria above for details on what the review committee will be looking for or in the proposal or in the application us instead of ending with four but I don't care I mean I'm also okay if you feel pressure but it's not necessary it's just sort of the ending of sentence with four what is the man what is the man said that is something with with up with which I will not put there we go thank you and then it's just email and mailing address right so thankful for all the work you're doing on this because I it's not something I think we could have continued on with without you so thank you very much Gabrielle thank you and then when when there's $10,000 of free money to get into the hands of an artist I'm all in we'll make sure that we get this money to them so okay so I'm gonna I'm gonna take a minute I'm just gonna bring us the application and I just want to run down this as well make sure you all feel good about this because lord knows I could have missed something all right while you're doing that I'm going to just remind everybody we can't vote we can't make decisions and we cannot communicate we should not be communicating substance with the other committee members because we're running to a Siri Adam quorum problem like that so if there's any questions the other people ask who are present on the committee I suggest you refer them to Gabby or Shona whom they can't talk to actually not Shona now it has to be to Terry right it's none of the committee is she cherry who's our chair of our commission cherry hold no my point is you can talk to somebody who's not on the committee who's in this meeting but not to the people who are in the committee would be if somebody on the committee wants to discuss what happened in the committee they're better off doing it with somebody who's not on the committee because you don't oh okay I wasn't understanding I mean because I'm worried about I'm worried about getting a committee by steps a quorum by steps with people who are not here and that would be a violation in other words we won't be discussing this any of that I didn't a private meeting we have to have a public meeting then we can do it okay okay okay and that is pretty first name last name email phone number and I'm applying as a primary so we're just looking for that primary person but that thing go from there and then all artists can be listed underneath that one if there's more than one again we just read do the quick quick mission of this very simple yes and no here please check all that apply these are based just so everybody knows on the request from Pamela Nolan Young the D to I director this is how they want to see them put out okay because that's that's a potential controversial situation but this is this is directly from DEI okay good artist qualifications I'll let you all take a minute and it's got me all over the period before the pdf excuse me since there's nothing for him I'll be right back there's where they can show their website or online I'm literally turning my computer to show you like an idiot a way to upload some images the contact information familiar with your work so we already took that and changed it from the last and then reiterating the proposals that we've looked at and I just want to make sure that we took out we did this is we did take out anything commercial or religious from here mm-hmm where to go and then of course the criteria remains this was supposed to be removed which I did and again I'm not sure what I know for a fact I remember that there's no relevance to the site that was when there were two sites and why it would be better at the other site so I've removed that completely and of course reiterating that priorities are local BIPOC artists who call or called at one point Amherst their home for them to give us their concept and upload their initial design I think I understand why there's the dot before JPEG or pdf why I think it's because you're used to having it's a this is a negative number of 1056.jpg exactly you're right I think because everything's a dot jpeg or a dot you know dot whatever so that's why they put the dot in so I think it's fine it's so picky I don't really care I yeah but I don't think it is you know right but I don't really care because it's so picky okay I'm going to grab the work that we did here sorry everybody just look away I've been in a kind of computer for far too long today later on I'm going to just find the wording that we did on who is going to serve on the committee and I will put it right in here cut and paste so it's cleaning um if that works for everybody okay yeah any other questions any wait I see you want to ask me since you have me yeah me too I'm very excited it'll be exciting to share it I do want to make it clear that this will be on the town website and the business improvement district website this will go out in our newsletters we will ask the chamber of commerce to share this as well and I know for a fact that Rep Don and Senator Cumberford will put these on their Instagram Twitter and Facebook and we will put it on all of our social medias as well this will be going out to local press as well some art centered press um tomorrow morning from the Valley Arts newsletter yeah perfect okay thank you oh I will also send this to um the Amherst parent organization of the public schools um because I know that they have alumni who thank you they they have alumni who might be interested in this as well okay I can do it to the schools but they're not old enough but the art teachers no I'm I'm thinking the art teachers might have alumni that they think could right but I can also give it to the art teachers oh that would be fabulous great because I work in the school oh did not know thank you that's that's wonderful yes if you can get this out to the art teachers that will be fantastic and I will make sure that it gets to the college and the university art and faculty as well okay just send me a copy and I can print it out and give it to each one of them I will I'm assuming all of your emails are online correct on on that town page check and there if not if not I'm sure Terry and Laurie I have both of your emails so I can find you guys and if you have trouble getting an email contact me please and I will help you okay I could actually easily because like I know in my contacts I've got everybody in there I could send out an email just to like connect everybody that'd be great that would be better thank you that would be a better idea whoops okay anything else I don't know that agenda item I don't think we we're done so we move on to the next one thank you very much that was wonderful I that it's just so nice to see something so well done to work with thank you Gabby yeah thank you very much and is everybody okay with me going and having dinner with my family yes yeah thank you idea have a wonderful evening thank you all for having me you too have a great day thanks okay the next item on our non-agenda agenda is strategic plan retreat planning um actually I have to go um I've got another meeting at seven um if I just wanted to like I don't know warn you guys but like remind you guys about like the urgency of that spending that money that two thousand dollars portal gallery at portal gallery so is that on the yep yep portal gallery is the next one after yep yep okay okay definitely needs to get talked about whose job is it to send that money well the money is actually already in our account so whose job is it to give the direction to send it it would be I guess Robert because he's the treasurer because like that two thousand dollars is already in our account waiting spent who's the treasurer Robert oh Robert of course oh yeah yeah right all right so we need to just give Robert a heads up send money well we send it we have to do with it yeah you gotta get it on so yeah that was gonna be my next question where does it go yeah you gotta get an artist to put the installation in right so we need to get do another one of these things and get it out um so we got we're gonna we're gonna have to have a meeting right yeah our next meeting is on May 1st I think we should have a special meeting before that yeah you're gonna have to have one before that because like that's just not enough time to if you guys you guys might be better off hiring an artist that that just you know you just hire somebody to come and put in something rather than a big call for artists because there's just not enough time for a call for artists right now anymore so somebody who does dioramas or somebody who does small yeah someone who does small things that could go in there yeah um so I got a question so inside the room you could do photographs right that that you could look through into the um I suppose so like yeah it'd be a lighting issue that's all you have to solve the lighting issue and I'm not saying it's not solvable I'm saying but if you look into from a lighted outside into a darkened room it's not going to be very easy to see it right I can think of various solutions you could have like a tube that you could put your face on so you know the light will be blinded scope yes like you guys could hire that Ben guy to do another installation the guy who's who's information that's already up there yeah information out what's his name Ben oh what is his last name I forget what his last name is like how did I want to say but we only have two thousand dollars to pay him right right but like he's got really dynamic um little inventions that he made for inside there that was just really really cool very like how much did we pay for the last one I think we paid um a little bit less because I think we got only like 1500 for that so he's so he he did it once for 1500 he'll be thrilled to do it for 2000 yeah if he isn't doing something else correct so maybe we should have another meeting with our whole board like a week or so before spring break absolutely yeah one next week yeah like next maybe we should send out an email to the board to have a meeting next Monday okay who's going to send it I can't be there oh okay but you could meet without me I think if you can get everyone else I just can't be there I can do a doodle poll and and people can that'd be good in the next for the next two weeks tomorrow morning I'll send out a doodle poll or I could join at six but I would I don't know it's gonna be tricky I have tickets to theater that night at the fine arts center hey why don't we do it how about Tuesday can you do Tuesday no um I have to find out from um Gigi if I have a board meeting I think you should meet without me I mean I could come on I could come on at six but I'd have to leave by like 640 well how about Wednesday at six I can do that Laura can you do it not great my son it's my son's first night home was flying in from Los Angeles no that's thanks but I mean I could I mean I could do it it's just not great Thursday at six what about that I can do that I mean we put Wednesday down I mean he's going to be in town for a couple of days coming for my birthday but so it's not it's just not good next week for me but I will I could do you don't like either Wednesday or Thursday because I'm not crazy about it because he's not home he's only home for a few days but I could do it I mean I could come on and I could um I could come on I just can't stay on a long time all right what if we set it up for Wednesday at six and and I'll do a poll and see if we get a quorum okay if we're going to get a quorum without you if we why don't you put Monday too because that could work for everyone and I could come on for like the first you know okay so we're looking for a meeting because at least it gives you two that's on the 10th with maybe possibly like Laurie could just pop in long enough to do a vote yeah that's what I was thinking so put Monday into if we just do it for the portal gallery just say that it's for the portal gallery we've got to get this figured out then it can be we can do it for one hour right I don't see why it's going to take an hour to do the portal gallery but I'm always an optimist yeah I mean the following week is is you know I I could do Monday to 17 oh so I am going to check with other people and whether they can meet Monday the 10th or Wednesday the 10th to discuss and vote on the portal gallery only yeah and wasn't Dara supposed to be on today yes she said she was I emailed her all right well I gotta go everybody thanks okay thank you for thank you for being here yeah thanks that was good it's very helpful as usual so I take it strategic plan we're not going to discuss because we can't okay public portal gallery we just finished public comment ha ha ha none item is not anticipated before the meeting there aren't any so okay just I just wanted to say I'm sorry that my computer in the middle there glitched out I all of a sudden lost my wi-fi well if it's going to glitch out when it when it if it glitches out when we don't have a quorum anyway it doesn't really make much difference I know but I felt bad well I think you're right my computer I think your computer computer was very was very considerate to pick that time to glitch out thank you harmless error I think if we could I'm going back to the port hole thing just in advance of it I don't love the idea of asking the artist who did it to do it again but that may be our best bet given where we are so I would you know well his large information about him on a metal have you been there to look at it I don't understand it and I couldn't get I never been in with the key to understand what's in that closet behind right I don't know what you're telling artists to work with or not work with right I think until we go there and the doors open and we understand what the place looks like we're not going to get it 100% but to me it's like the only thing that would work with little types of dioramas so you know that sort of thing would be really cool but we have we don't have time right so given that this artist has done it if he wanted to do it again it's kind of pressing the easy button in terms of so I still have my childhood Lionel train set and for a thousand dollars I'll set it up so we're running in front of the portal windows I think that'd be pretty cool actually it would not actually do it for nothing well I could put trained I could put trains in but but I've got the vintage things I'm not the new ones from me I mean I've got the old old things like because I'm old old person so well um I have my brother in law now what are they what are what's the old timer ones um Lionel trains yep whatever the way you could put it behind each window yeah oh yeah well I could also put um all the different train information so uh chassis the chassis system the bn o the oh my goodness that would be really cool and if you did it like for and going back to what trains ran through you know a little reference to what trains ran through Amherst oh uh that would be so cool it'd be a great a lot of time to research I do know what I did there's there's a book that was given to the historical society that we gave to the um special collections that had the trains that did run through Amherst actually there was two um and the um rabbit route ever heard of the rabbit run so that one went through where the quabbin is now and it that would be really cool I mean I what if I got you what if I got you a teenager to help you do the research um I I've done the research at the historical society but um we don't the the space isn't big enough for the that would take some time because you can have like a qr code linked to something on the Amherst town website that just had a description of the trains that ran through Amherst or a link to a few pages from that book I don't know I'm creating an art project for you and I don't it's like I don't have time for any of those actually I have nothing that you do right I have seven interns at um Amherst historical society that I work with on Fridays so um I could put one to work doing it um I mean I think it would be really a great thing I mean I could because it relates to the town right um the other thing is is there was the um that um Hills hat factory which is um and we've got at the historical society that's the other place I work um we have all the hat molds and photographs of that so um if we wanted to do something like that I could get an intern to work on one of those projects so uh trains um is a little harder but they could do it all at special collections to do the research I'm not sure if there are enough photographs of the different trains that came through Amherst I don't think you need to have photographs I think you could actually put a little diorama of your trains Jim yep like a train in each window yeah they're about this big yeah a little diorama a little little trains in each window and then the sidebar could be they don't have to be the exact trains you know these you know trains have a history in Amherst right they they brought the palm leaf up in the and they took the hats down so and it was one of the largest factories around and it or photographs of the hats I guess or the factory I don't know but anyway there's some ideas yep that's when you get creative people together things happen that's great all right well I think we are probably done for all you're doing to put out like the two dates and I will do my best to be able to vote and um Jim you need to have the town understand that you haven't been here too consecutive um I'm excited at the very beginning of the meeting that he'd been here for two consecutive times on the board and you haven't right that is correct I have not right so that we need to make sure that um that is that Mr. Brocklman knows that um that is not correct I don't know if he just all upset because I made a mistake about you know whether I was a member or not for a while so I just don't know what's going on with him but we'll have to figure that out in the next meeting too right I'll tell him tomorrow okay okay thank you yeah all right well I guess we're done there's no sense in me moving to adjourn because we can't vote on it so okay well nice to see you good to see you both thank you for showing up and happy birthday oh yes I have a birthday coming in I am excited because I have two grown sons and I don't get to see them very often so I'm flying one from LA here oh wow the other one's coming up from Philadelphia he's in law school so I'm getting you know this little that's why I'm trying to be protective well I had 100 days ago you went I had one two days ago oh happy thank you and I got to see you're some of my relatives it was really nice people I had to see because you didn't get to spend Christmas with anyone right because neither did I right neither did I so we're all happy to see family yes okay thank you nice to see you and make sure you all go in the town hall and see uh Stephanie Otis um uh photography good job oh yeah I actually just talked to her last week and she told me about it and I will um she was very thankful to you Mikey and I will go take a look it looks really beautiful and I found labels underneath and if one of them looks off you can peel it off the wall and put it back on okay it doesn't it doesn't hurt it okay great thank you thank you all right bye bye bye