 you can hear some of the diners as well moving back at the protestors, in fact at the end the protestors leave they possibly allowed for the fact there was a snag like that, but a lot of them started moving as cows and suggesting they leave let's turn now to Joey Carpstrong who's an animal rights activist do you support protest such as these Mr. Carpstrong good morning okay so I'm not part of the group direct action everywhere and they have quite controversial actions even within the vegan movement are considered controversial that's why I'm asking you whether you support protests such as these okay yeah let me give you some perspective here what a yes or no I feel like it's a crazy world we live in where vegans have to go to these extremes to persuade people to stop paying for the abuse and murder of innocent animals so although I don't participate in actions like this I fully appreciate that some vegans are in a position that they have to go to these extremes it's a crazy world and desperate times called for desperate measures and people just aren't listening and they're making fun of these activists who are speaking up against animal abuse I mean right so you do support it I support the message that's for sure I mean do you not agree with the message we'll come to my views in a moment respectfully do you support the direct action aspect of it that's what I'm trying to get to intervening at a restaurant and showing people the process from which their steak was made um yeah I actually right we got there eventually I'm not sure if there's a more of a negative outcome or a positive outcome I mean you've got me on the radio here to talk about but what would give you I appreciate you don't do it but you said that you appreciate why they do it and you have tacit support for them what gives people these people such as these the right to disrupt someone else's evening well what gives human beings the right to subjugate and slave and stab to death trillions of animals a year for a steak I mean it's been happening since time began and since the cave man hunters so is human slavery just because it's traditional doesn't make it moral slavery is now quite rightly outlawed the eating of meat is not at all well let me ask you this if this was a dog meat restaurant let me let me finish if this was a dog meat restaurant where people were eating the chopped up bodies of innocent dogs and some activists come in there let me give you an example let me give you an example of how to answer a question because you have trouble with it that would be wholly wrong because it is illegal to butcher dogs there is something that cuts us to the law which allows people should they so desire to sit down to a T bone or a rib eye or a sirloin steak hopefully uninhindered by rather dreary loudmouth protesters is legality the same thing as morality is legality the same thing sometimes yes sometimes no that's a very broad question excuse me slavery used to be legal human slavery used to be legal was it moral I don't think having steak and chips is quite on the same same grounds excuse me you don't have to say excuse me you can just speak don't worry it's an analogy you're not in school one sec one sec right they're stabbing innocent animals in the throat in a slaughterhouse okay they're choking on their own blood and people are paying for that and they're more offended by vegans with signs than they are that they're paying for the abuse of innocent animals they're not more offended but do you not see that while you have a very valid cause and research shows that more and more people particularly young people are coming over to your way of thinking and more and more young people are becoming vegans or certainly not becoming meat eaters because of what the some of these suggestions that you make and certainly the impact it has on the planet and I absolutely subscribe to that protests such as this actually set your cause backwards how do you know where's your data where's your data I don't have any data but what I do know hey wait wait a second I'll show you some images of a slaughterhouse slaughterhouse images don't lie you seem to think that because I am opposed to people disrupting other people having a night out with their partners wives girlfriends boyfriends whatever the hell it is you seem to think therefore that I'm in favour of animals being brutally treated I'm not do you eat slaughtered animals yeah sure sure so you're in favour for eating slaughtered animals am I yeah I guess in favour you support slaughterhouses you support the very thing we're against so how could you be in favour of our cause no of course I want you to have your cause I don't agree with it you're eating suffered animals I am I've just what have I had oh no I've had salmon I'm sorry I wish I'd had a sausage I presume you're against salmon though they drag out the ocean they're destroying the environment I mean it's killing animals and you're saying you're for our cause taste of the one I just ate it gave itself up in all honesty it wasn't particularly good I think it had enough alive to be honest not funny I completely support not funny animal abuse isn't funny people that make fun of animal abuse are not funny what I cannot abide is that you not you actually because you weren't involved in this one but people like you seem to have you have some loftier moral duty that you have to go and disrupt other people's lives hey well animals are being butchered dude animals are being butchered animals are being butchered have some perspective what is more offensive have your protest on the street as they leave the steakhouse have your protest along the pavement don't invade a restaurant it's simply not fair do you want to talk about fairness and justice it's not fair that we subjugate the most innocent beings on earth that's not fair why are we doing it to them for why are you participating in this water because people like the taste of meat so taste overrides morality now I like the taste it gives me pleasure gives me pleasure to abuse the innocent they are being abused they're being boltgunned in the skull and slashed across the throat because you like the taste of their flesh what did they ever do to you it's a pig it's a pig it's a pig it's a dog it's a dog it would not be here they are bred they breed dogs in Newland for meat too is that moral that is illegal in this country to my knowledge to eat dog that's got nothing to do with morality legality and morality are two different things let me ask you this lastly are you one of the supporters who also doesn't do things sheep should not be shorn you know the wool industry murder all those sheep for flesh just answer my question should sheep be shorn the wool industry murder all those sheep when they don't produce wool anymore just answer the question should you shear a sheep the only reason they're producing that amount of wool is because they've been selectively bred to produce more wool than natural do you think sheep should be shorn or sheared whichever you prefer do you think slaughterhouses should exist if so stop eating steak should stop eating steak you're supporting animal abuse do you answer my question Mr. Cubs it's a perfectly legitimate question the wool industry is morally abhorrent why won't you answer yes or no what's your problem animals should not be oh ok here's your answer animals should not be used as products and resources for human beings to exploit they are not products so you would not if you kept if you would not want sheep to be shorn or sheared whichever you prefer you would not do it I do not want animals to be used as resources or products they are sentient beings they are not products for you to eat use and exploit right so when that sheep gets trapped in a bramble bush and it can't get out and it dies that's alright then that were in the sheep's best interest using them for their wool so you can have a sweater and killing them afterwards is not in the sheep's best interest just to make sure that it's in the sheep's interest to get caught in a bramble bush and die I find that quite and you all of course know what dagging is do you know what have you ever stood inside a slaughterhouse where sheep are being stabbed in the throat speaking as someone who has kept sheep and speaking as someone who can share a sheep can I ask you do you know what dagging is I have no idea what dagging is dag is when the feces of the sheep get stuck around its rear end because of the size of the fleece that's in the sheep's best interest stabbing them in the throat and eating their bodies is not in the sheep's best interest would you just be quiet for a moment why are you going into this area if you don't dag the sheep they get what's called fly strike and they die I have lost a sheep due to fly strike because I didn't dag it soon enough so the flies attack and they actually get invaded and they eat into the sheep's anus I would suggest enjoy your breakfast everybody that's why it's a good idea to share sheep it's been an interesting time Joey Carpstrong thank you try and remember if you answered a question directly I sense not okay well is steak good for a cow? because I didn't dag it soon enough so the flies attack and they actually get invaded okay that's in the sheep's best interest that's different that's different that's a different that's different is it a good idea to eat cows? try and remember if you answered a question directly I sense not he wouldn't let me finish just one sentence would he? I don't know what it sounded like on the other end whether he was pushing the silence button we'll have to listen to it anyway that's what I want to watch this back let's have a look