 Two different constructs one construct where just you the small you listen to the tape and maybe in the privacy of your own home You can see that's a construct or second alternative would be perhaps the tape being Passed on to others to listen to maybe even in groups or so on so forth and that's another construct And one seems more favorable than the other And the construct can't be wrecking recognized as a construct when there is an ordering and that's that's what Again a construct cannot be recognized as a construct as long as there's an ordering. Yes That's the escape from all concepts and constructs is to to literally sink beneath them in the mind to literally not Order and configure the thought forms but to Merely recognize them in a sense that's stepping back to the biggest picture the biggest picture you can possibly imagine would be a Construct of the cosmos seen as an entire fabric Without any ordering So it ceases to be a construct I mean, it's only the ordering right the thing the fragmented part As separate from each other that really makes it the construct that it is And once that's removed from it Then it really is no longer a construct. I think you could say that and I think a more accurate way Would be to say as I've just said that you could it's then seen as a construct Okay, you see a construct, but you're okay It's seen as a contract, but but but as long as there's ordering going along on then it's like then it seems real It seems real instead of just a construct. It seems like I really am a person in a world I've got this family. I've got this job. I've got these possessions I've got for instance two cars one's a the 68 Plymouth and one's a 1992 You know Camaro and or and I value Perhaps the the one more than the other I mean The valuing the ordering of the thoughts in the construct in the thought forms. That's what obscures The fact that it's just a construct that also obviously maintains the subject object split By by ordering I mean obviously even in subject object. There's an ordering going on There's a separating if you Just break it down to I'm a I'm a person and then there's this fast fast world universe cosmos then in the sense you've got The old individual versus society or individual versus universe kind of a split Going on and there's a great importance place on this Personhood I keep like my mind keeps reaching or grasping for ways of understanding the subject object Because I noticed just the use of those words to me seems very abstract So it helps me to think of it in terms of self-concept What are some other ways of framing or talking about that same thing? Using different words because it has to do with you know It's identifying with a a self, which of course would be a small self as As subject as Separate from everything else that's not back It runs real deep. I mean, you know a Scientist the scientific method to find the problem gathering information Performing an experiment on something implies The subject object or the observer observed Part of the scientific method is observation Observation With the body, I mean whether you're using a microscope or a telescope or The naked eye set of speech or whatever, you know The subject is the observer And there is an observed which is an object. That's there's a couple different words you could look at So how does that relate to you know when we talk about mind-watching and wanting to be in that observer role? the observer in we could call with an out capital O is The mind Being able to observe the thoughts as opposed to the subject object or the observer observed work back talking about person hood the Observer in the observer observed is a small observer is is a person Peeping Tom the scientist who's observing certain phenomenon a housewife who's observing watching her her kids Or the belief that that I'm a person In Some in any way that there's a belief in in person hood We're still at the the small The mind Can can be trained to watch all Thoughts just go by and like I said it's the stream of consciousness of the stream of thoughts without the assumption of person hood It can can be trained to step back and step back to see the big picture to even See that that the belief in personality traits, you know, I'm shy. I'm aggressive I'm Beautiful or by worldly standards or handsome or you know On and on I'm good at math and I'm not so good at baseball and so on and so forth It it can step back and just Watch the entire stream of consciousness And of course that implies an identification with the capital S Yes, the other one of course would be the small At the beginning this can seem you know very difficult and and it can be the mind can have thoughts like there is no Capital O observer back there. I mean, it's just this all this thought my mind is is crazy you know the mind might say or you know, I can't observe and in a sense, that's where the the practice comes in that's that's where This identifying Takes takes practice because the mind believes that it is those thoughts Well initially usually it's just something as simple as just Sitting down and closing the body's eyes and I Attempting first maybe at the beginning to take hold of particular ideas from the course like the idea for the day As a point of attention that the mind is untrained at this point It's good wanders it wanders it wanders it jumps around it skips it just it It's frantic It's when someone honestly starts to look at their mind in the untrained state they see a very chaotic frantic state and At this point in the early stages. It's good to have a particular idea for the day maybe from the course or Some people in other traditions calm mantras Rivet on yeah bringing the mind back to when it when it notices that it has wandered away from it Yes, and these are the early stages. I mean this and this can go on, you know for quite some time with the practicing of this and with persistence There is a sense of of a calming down Of a more settling into a more stillness not to say that the chaotic state won't seem to come back and seem to come come again But at first the words the lines the mantras are everything are really helpful And as one proceeds along it it gets to be more and more a sense of That this is not a separate activity when the body's eyes are closed or when the body is sitting in a particular place a particular posture Taking time out and sitting down for a particular exercise All right, it's more like ongoing yes, and and in a sense the mind is getting To become aware that the inner and the outer the inner world of thoughts and the outer world of projected images aren't different, so Once the mind starts to to become more and more aware of that fact that they aren't different than the idea of meditating by Closing one's eyes And going finding a place far away where no one can disturb Disturb you and so on so forth that starts to to fade because you know, that's a thought that's a thought form as well But it's it's more of a Like a carpet ride or a flow of being flowing down a river Just bobbing along and and being carried in a sense by an energy or a flow in the mind Where whereby you know, you can and watch You don't feel an attachment to things to outcomes to the forms coming out of particular way It's a whole piece of mind as a goal as an abstract goal. It's not a quantifiable Goal you don't can't in a sense major piece of mind or you can't describe it by Certain situations or so on so forth in a real sense I mean that the mind will still attempt to do that to say I'm more peaceful when I'm walking in the park Then when I'm you know in a city driving. I'm more peaceful then when I'm in meditation then when I'm That my parents house talking about something or so forth, you know, it still wants to Make categories and and we've talked about that earlier, but But there's just a disidentification from the way the script of the world has to go That can to many that can seem like well How do you live then if you don't? if you don't Judge and you don't order thoughts and you don't strive and pursue and so forth I mean what happens that seems that can seem boring and and It could seem like with treat retreating or withdrawing from the world and so forth and really in the ultimate sense It's a it's a stepping back from the thought forms in the mind But this there's no dependence on what the body is doing or is not doing in that sense because the body is a thought form So we're we're talking at another level now. We're we're not talking at a retreat from the world in the sense of Try and run and hide Has nothing to do with form really, right? We're talking at a level where it's strictly of the mind And the form will follow Because it always follows the form will always follow the content of the mind The form is seen as a construct When the thought forms are ordered they seem real I'm a real person in a real world. I got real problems and so forth But in the mind watching with the capital O observer with the capital W witness self capital self then The world the the entire world the entire cosmos is is seen as a construct And it's really out of seeing out of not seeing at the construct and seeing it as real That I would even have the question About you know, what do I do? What about job? What about? Whatever