 Hallo everyone, ik heb nu op m'n ouding company geest geest geest geest waarin ek geest van all over het wereld, vir een live interview, meting griep en vragen van het ouding. M'n eerst geest is die undefeerde boxer, Joe Kozagge. Tickets are on sale nu, voor het ouding en Glasgow, op 29 januari 2022. Je kan die link in de beschrijving klikken, of go on to eventbrite, type en Joe Kozagge, Glasgow en purchase jouw tickets daar. I will hopefully see you all soon, for what's going to be an amazing night. Je kan nou volgen me in al m'n social media platforms, om te vinden hoe m'n eerst geest geest ouding is, en don't forget to click the subscribe button en the notifications button, so you're notified for when my next podcast goes live. Ja, we were told that we made Jackass look like the Teletubbies, so you know, I love Jackass, you know, but Sanchez, yeah, at times he went completely off as a girl. A researcher from MTV contacted Pritch, and I remember Pritch ringing me up and I was on this motorola, mobile phone, I was skating on the road. He's like, oh, they're going to show an MTV, I'm like, fuck off man, fuck off, you're wasting my battery, you know, like a dumb jolly type woman. Like myself and Pritch had been away all night in Vegas, the cactus went into the back of Pritch's head, he flung it out, you always had me right there and yeah, I flipped out, and I did, yeah, I smacked him. One down there, I was very ill-prepared for, you know, I just thought, just jump off a 10 meter diving board, touch the ground, push off, I'm a fairly confident swimmer, but the thing is, I went off the board and I didn't touch the ground, my like tippy toes got in, you know, so I'm like, so I don't reach the surface and therefore I'm like, just stay, just stay calm like, just stay calm, you get to the top. No, but yeah, it didn't quite work out like that, so yeah, one life guard came in, two life guards came in, yeah, I think it was four in total, yeah, too much time spent on the water. You know, people think two of us life, you know, is great them or not, but you try living, sleeping, eating, you know, you're only getting like, you know, two showers a week, you know, unless you go to some dodgy service station in frik en tube, you know, we somebody looking through the wall. Are they okay in that service station? That is you, you, you been to them. It's only service stations, I go to, I like glory old James. Why do you think I'm on the road so much? Oh, dude. Bummer on, and today's guest, we've got another dirty Sanchez legend, Pancheau, how are we? Is it Mike Pancheau Lockie? Mike Pancheau Lockie? Yeah, it's a silent deed. Yeah, is it the Scottish with the caught lockie? I'll be, you know what, I've been called worse, I've been called far worse. How've you been, my brother? I've been very well indeed, very well, very well. That's good to see you, man. You too, my friends. You too, right? Thanks for having us on. Not a legend in the game, like I say, absolute nut cases back in the day. I've had the main man, Matthew Prichard on. Now I've got yourself, it's a pleasure. Yeah, absolutely, it's a pleasure to be here. You know, Prichard is a bit of a hard-ass masker, is well need to try and live up to, do you know what I mean? You know, Forrest Gump himself. Yeah, he's doing well for the fitness stuff. Yeah, he's a great man, do you know what? It's like the utmost suspect. Dirty Sanchez, mate. Absolute legends for what he's done, what he's achieved. Not just in Wales, but all around the UK, even worldwide. I know he's went everywhere with it. He's kind of set the benchmark for the mad shit, which is, I love that stuff, I'm very dark humor. Then for what you've done, you've kind of took it to another level from Jackass, but UK, and like I say, he's well adored, loved, and it's good to have you on. It's great to be on. And yeah, we were told that we made Jackass look like the telly tummies. So, you know, I love Jackass, you know, but Sanchez, yeah, at times he went completely off as a girl. I'll always go back to where to start with my guest, brother. Where you grew up, how it all began? Brought up in Batolebat, the eldest brother of three. Yeah, and then, yeah, yeah, just an average upbringing, you know, like working class. Yeah. What was your schooling stuff like? My school, yeah, my school was all good, man. Believe it or not, it went until Sanchez and I ever got bullied. Like, could you not? You know, like football and stuff took football to a level and then, yeah, skateboarding and stuff kicked in and you had to make a conscious decision whether to pursue skateboarding as opposed to like football, which was, you know, it was really going off and stuff. But I was having more fun, you know, playing football and whatnot, and I've flighted my head in now. Yeah. I was having more fun, you know, skateboarding. So, yeah, I had a chat with the old man and he said, Mike, do what you love and next thing you know, I'm travelling round Europe with, you know, Pritch, two Bramese and a guy from my steg, when I was 15, like on one of those yearly passport things. Ja, young age, but how was that experience for you going through that too? It was great, it was before I did like the old Benidom with the boys type thing, you know. And, yeah, it really broadened my horizons and, you know, I was quite fortunate as a child to travel and stuff, you know, the folks and whatnot. But when you go solo, you know, but don't give me wrong, I had to earn, you know, that right, you know, there was two paper ounce and when I went to my dad, I said, look dad, you know, you know, I've got 90 quid, you know, and he was like, well look, I'll give you a 50 on top by that and I went away for 10 days round Europe. Ja, but that's still a young age to then be thinking about doing that stuff, to be trying to spread your wings and make something out of life. Ja, it was all about just exploring skateboarding, you know, Matthew, well, Matthew Handinked, you know, especially Matthew, like he set the bar so high he was skateboarding. At that moment in time, he was probably, well, if it, like without doubt, one of the best in Europe, if not the best. Is that how good he was, ja? Ja, ja, he's really, you know, with Matthew, you know, he takes everything to the extreme, you know, like, I know you went into that subject, you know, on the podcast, but he genuinely, ja. Ja, that creates a mentality. Ja, ja, it's like all or nothing, you know, he really goes for it and ja, that was the same skateboarding, so. How was your family upbringing? Mum, dad, brothers, how was that life? Ja, it was, it was all good, ja, he was, ja, all good. Dads, you know, like, worked in the steel, well, he worked in Metalbox, we emigrated to South Africa when I was, like, three. So lived there till I was three till five. Ja, two younger brothers, my middle brother's a lawyer. Ja. And my youngest brother's a sparky in the steelworks, which I'm sure you passed on the way down. I did pass that, was that the fuck? Is that what something was on fire? Is this an increasing metropolis? So did I not announce you were smoking up a big block? Ja, because I was just coming down to Ben, there was that. Something's on fire? Ja, on smoke signals. Ja, in it, ja. Well, that might have something to do my growth with. All that sulphur, maybe. What say, is your brothers in that, what are they all, like, fitness wise and? Simon's, my middle brother Simon, he's a good rugby player. Ja, ja, ja, he did really well. Chris, ja, he dabbled in sports en stuff, but he's just settled down to two children, he's happy. Simon, he's got three points under the age of five. And he... Shagger. Oh, he's seven in the locked gene, man. Ja, but, ja, Simon's flat. Ja, he's done a few half marathons en stuff, in good time. He's had an injury recently, so. He's a great and athletic family as well, so how did you, were you a baller, that the football winger? Ja, I was in the boiler room, man. Ja, you're the centre name. Ja, ja, ja, ja. Billen of strings? Ja, like orchestrating, like your own movie ones. Ja, ja, any ester. Ja, I sent him to gravity, but like I was surrounded by good football players, do you know what I mean? Like Fersie en stuff, they were tall guys, you know, so like they knew when to go, and like we used to feed off each other, and ja, it was a great unit, man. How did you go on in the centre, on the people trying to build it that way? Ja, they tried to, but like when my head comes into play, do you know what I mean? It's like this cranium, you know, it's, ja. But I get to try and orchestrate it, you know. Where did you do for work? Wat, when I left school, I did an apprenticeship with Sony's. Did you? Ja, ja, in Brigende, mechanical engineering, ja. Got to the third year, and they wanted to change it to megalac, and ja, I basically discovered Escape, which is a nightclub, notorious nightclub in Swansea. So my focus wasn't so much on the college, it was more on partying, and ja, I didn't actually complete that course, so. Ja, just, did you go off the rails at a nil age? Ja, you're good to, ja. What did you think kicked that off? Just young, daft? Just young, naïve, and very, very stupid, ja. I wasn't saying, man, just fucking, right to ask, I'm still not saying, but obviously. Ja, well, ja, you know what. Ja, I, you know what, I think, I think we come from like a similar kind of background, you know. Ja, say, is, you know, like is a learninggersep, in that it life is a learning엽. Every day, that's good. Ja, the I'm like a boomerang, or like, give me on now, this time, like you must learn this time. Ja, ja may be, It's difficult to change easy, but it can be done. That's the beautiful thing about it. Where all fuckabout what all just don't know what's going on in life, we just don't know honesty, just one big game in my eyes. If you ever stick to a proper job, did you ever have anything that. Ja, hurts et quarantine voor net, Basically I was still living with my folks at the time, so I got back home and I was like, right, you know, the apprenticeships gone, the old man went, he said, you've got a week to get a job, otherwise you're out the house. So I stuck a shitty factory job for three months, which was really hard work, but then in the meantime I managed to get a job as a quality engineer, working for a Japanese firm and that in itself. That was good money then, you know, be good money now also, yeah. How hard does it get out of Wales, it's quite small populations, quite small areas, do you feel it's quite condensed, there's not much happening? In the meantime, further on you're like a multi Bristol and stuff, that was actually working with autistic children, taking them to extreme classrooms and stuff. How was that? It's probably the most rewarding thing I've ever done in my entire life, apart from bringing up my own kids. How many kids you've got? Two. How old? Two daughters, yeah. Yeah, I've got a daughter, she's a loving mother. Yeah, they grow up too fast. Too fast, and at age 11, 12, 13, that makes you see the world differently. Listen, I treated women like shit, I was a player back in the day, but then you got a daughter, you kind of, your whole outlook changes. Well, yeah, because you know what guys are like. Guys are like bastards. Unfortunately, yes. Yeah, it's testing times, but yeah, they're good kids. That's the main thing. Yeah, Annie's, she walked away with 12 GCSEs. That's unbelievable. Yeah, good one. Which is a lot more than what I did. Must get her brains from her mum then. Or maybe the poor smile. When did, so how the fuck did you end up in Dutty Sanchez then? How did that start, that mad journey? That mad journey began when I was maybe 13, like myself and a good mate, Jan Purchis, we used to skate locally and stuff. And we were looking at magazines and we could see Pritchard Cardiff, like, you know all that. So one day we went up to Cardiff, as we turned right and walked up the hill, Pritch and all the crew were there. And we just like got a little bit starstruck and not going to lie man. Pritch is still a dickhead by the way. But yeah, we were skiing up at the top of the ring Louise station. And yeah, we just hit it off man, like it was one of those things. And they showed us all the spots. We was like, we'll meet up, you know, this time next weekend. And then like Pritch had a pager. And it was like, oh, like pager me, like if you want to skate, you know, whatever. And yeah, things just manifested from there and you know, skateboarding basically took all my life. How good were you? I was all like, man, yeah, yeah, I made the magazines. More importantly, I had a lot of fun and I loved pushing myself, you know. Like, you know, the body is, you know, it doesn't heal too good. What's that with? That's from skateboarding. Just landing on your elbow, popping your shoulder and stuff. What kind injuries, are there injuries have you had? Touch wood. Apart from that, not like ankles, broken fingers, broken toes, I dislocated the knee, but like, you know, nothing else to be here as that. Yeah, that's the fucking dodgy, that. Yeah, there's a dodgy fucking, the dodgy surgeon on this. Did Pritch had to do that? I do question myself at times. Yeah, well, yeah, like you said, touch wood, that was the worst one. But yeah, the worst thing was, there was like a new son and I went to a school that had like a sixth form and she was on like work placement. I'm off my head on morphine and immediately like a bedpan thing. I couldn't get out the bed. There was like basically trapped to this morphine thing. And she came along. Yeah, I had to put in the bedpan. And then I did like, I think I was like the second year of school and she was just leaving. It was just quite awkward. But the nightside is funny. How did then, so how was the whole outlook when you started forming your little gang and then getting the call to then make programmes where you recorded stuff before? Yeah, like of course, you know, like there was people like Denny who was documenting P-Mexin and stuff and he's an absolute legend. Dikey also, you know, he was more chilled on the skate and he was doing a media degree and then, you know, dating because of the camera on. So initially, you know, it started off just being like South Wales skateboarding scenes, you know, like a scene video just showcasing what we got in South Wales and then things just brewed up and then we discovered alcohol and, yeah, and then there was like Pritchard versus Dayton which is based off a Yankee thing, Rodney versus Devon. And, yeah, myself and Dan got involved and, yeah, like Dan just, well, Dan is Dan. Best disaster. Yeah, it just manifested and, yeah, FHM, I believe got a hold of a copy of Pritchard versus Dayton because I was like salt in all the skate shops in the UK and then a researcher from MTV contacted Pritchard and I remember Pritchard ringing me up and I was on this motorola, mobile phone, like that, right? I was skating down the road, like that. He's like, oh, they're going to show an MTV and I'm like, fuck off, man, fuck off, you're wasting my battery, you know, like that. Like a dumb jolly type moment, like that. And then, yeah, he just pursued and pursued and then, yeah, yeah, and then the train tickets came through the door to go to Camden and, yeah. How old were you? I was 22. And then that's when the madness began. How were you accepted doing the skateboard and stuff because I know Pritchard says it wasn't as big then so it was kind of like outcast. Yeah, for me, right? And this is an honest God's story because we were like skateboarding, it was like seen as a rebellious, you know, uncool thing, you know, now it's in the Olympics and you've got all the corporates and stuff behind it. But at that moment in time, it was like, there was people in my school, like that, right? And especially after, like I said, you know, the football stuff because I was going to commit to skateboarding. You know, one or two of them were trying to have a go, but they knew that I was fucking penning them in football. But they tried to have a pop like that and fast forward, you know, in 20-yard years I was in a pub in Batalbat and one of them came up to me and he was like, hey, Lucky, how did you get on that show on MTV and that? And I was just like, do you remember that piece of wood with eight holes and four wheels? That's what got us the fucking show. Let me buy you a pint, fuck off, jog on. Do you know what? You can't accept someone through there. And do you know what I'd like to be fair? Like my friends, you know, and people around me, but I'm from a small town, you know? It's very much different approach, you know? But there was like the odd speaking knobhead. You're going to get that no matter what you do in life? Of course you're doing life, you know? There's good and bad in everyone, you know? But it was just one of those moments where I was just like, look, remember that skateboard? That's what got me into fucking MTV. You didn't want to know that, now fuck off. Jog on. What was your first video you'd done for? For a jackass fucks? I'm not promoting those bastards for 30 cents. Can you remember? Well, the first stuff that got us the pilot was... Yeah, it was pretty obvious to think. What was going through your mind doing it all? Were you thinking just a bit of fun? Did you realise how big it was going to get? I don't know, it was probably half asleep most of the time. No, no, no. There was no pre-planning. Everything that happened was completely organic. It wasn't contrived. When we went to MTV, they wanted to call it a shock idol. Sorry. We were like, na, na, na, na, na. The name came about. In nine sides, we should have retained the name because the bastard's always a lot of money. What has 30 cents you picked a name and where does it come from? I don't think you can ask a picture of that. You'll have to google what 30 cents this means. Try seeking them up. I'm surprised I didn't ask them that. It's a sexual manoeuvre. There's no happy ending with it. No, well not for the ladies. I don't know, it depends on where you rock. He wouldn't be happy for the ladies. We need to google it. As I had to when I was 22, I would go into the big end or like holiday in the wherever we were at. I had to google it and then just went back to the elephant's head and came down thinking, oh yeah, I know what it is. Of course I know what it is. I got the moment in time, I didn't have a fucking clue. I don't even, I definitely need to google it fucking now. How was it then a young kid, a young skateboarder from Wales to then getting put into the line like MTV massive name. Everybody's want a PCA. How does that affect you? To be honest, being made the likes of Matthew Dinkton, especially Pritch, there was always like the limelight and stuff. Dinkton set up a company that I eventually turned pro and stuff on called Kill City. We were getting people coming up to us in the skate world but it's nothing to prepare you for walking down the street and just people coming on to you. It was pretty intense. It was going out of the ordinary, shall we say. Can that become tiresome? Well at the end of the day, if people are willing to watch a show then you've got to respect them. You put yourself in opposition, you have to rock with it, you have to deal with it. It was like the Tampak chapters saying take everything in your stride. It was definitely a shock to the system but in a good way. Obviously you meet nobends out there when you're trying if you're in the pub or wherever to try and out comp you. Thankfully they were few and far between. Is that the difficult thing? You were a little bastard when you were drunk. You caused a lot of shit even though when you fell asleep and stuff you got the hair in that shape but you caused a lot of shit. Is that hard to then people thinking you're that character 24x7 when people expect to see you, what you are on the TV to what you see in the pub? Exactly, I've had professional football players who I'm not going to mention 50 samboekers en zeiden down them all, down them all, down them all I will give you 5G and I'm like look man I'm an actual human being like don't get me wrong. I used to like to get very inebriated but that's not the real me. The real me is quite a secluded person I'll be honest with you. I'm like a mello character. Don't get me wrong if someone takes your eyebrows off have you ever tried going to the bank man if you're like that so you feel like an Eastern European offer and you're like industry is not so good as mine it's not a good man so therefore there is going to be a reaction but I am a very plastic person it's like at those moment in times if you get fucked with you know because Brit was saying just give him 20 minutes and then he's in La La Land but it got to the point we got purpose he kicked off a tour bus with the pepper spray and stuff which almost like the bus driver he was like that he said on tour with Anne Frax all his death metal I didn't even know the after name so he said I've never experienced anything like you guys and he was like get off my fucking bus we were like yes so we end up in Rome check into a hotel yes my own room went to bed the boys only just went like that Mike Locke room 902 or wherever I can't remember the specifics so even when I was trying to like chill out it was just non stop so therefore there is going to be a reaction and just like with you know with the cacti like myself and Pritchard being awake all night in Vegas the cactus went into the back of Pritchard's head he flung it out he had me right there and I flipped out I did I smacked him that could have took your eye out though yeah exactly Pritchard you bastard Pritchard you're a fucking monkey I remember that when you stuck it on his head and then he threw it out that's right I remember that it wasn't me you actually put it on his head that could have fucking took your eye out it was super close it was like this Choya cactus or cacti because you've been close a few times it was not to Nepal with the marine gear on and nearly drowned yeah I completely underestimated that and we were just like recovering we were recovering from brands and stuff and yeah like with the schedule with MTV at that moment in time things got fast tracked like there was no recovery period or like time to chill we lived ones and whatnot so yeah instead of being a fort like that it got fast tracked for it it was just like four days but then going down there I was very ill prepared for you know I just thought yeah well you just jump off a ten meter diving board touch the ground, push off I'm a fairly confident swimmer but the thing is I went off the board and I didn't touch the ground like tippy toes so I'm like yeah so I don't reach the surface and therefore I'm like just stay calm Mike just stay calm you get to the top but yeah it didn't quite work out one life guard came in two life guards came in yeah I think it was four in total too much time spent on the water do you nearly die? yeah I wouldn't say it was it was a real horrid experience like if people say it's a good way to die drowning I beg to differ so what was it to catch under the water the boots? it was basically not touching there kicking off from the bottom of the pool if you like so you couldn't spring I didn't get any spring load so what I should have gone is going with an ultimate bomb but yeah I don't think me and the Marines are cut out to be honest I was alright to carry in bridge but um how many times have you been branded? just once what happened? basically it was my 25th birthday and we were in New Galles Arizona with a lot of cowboys and stuff so we decided to go to New Galles Mexico and over there in Latin America Sanchez was massive so we were walking down the street and people just came out out of the bars choicey dating plan show tequila tequila tequila tequila all the shenanigans you know the score and then we went back over the border and Jimbo was like well you be branded my cat and now we got something for you and he came out with a glaze and DS dating locked himself in the car completely shit it I was up to you I was like let's do it let's do it let's fucking have it let's have it proper and like Matthew be a Matthew there's no sense he was in he was there from the gecko I was like top off I was like preached on look man I was like a sizzling pork fucking state and then he pulled out this other one so I did a similar thing it's just like with injections I can't look at them so like the brand thing I had to look away it just went and then Joyce he tried to be Joyce he was like dancing in front going off on one like that he was like a little pitterpatter like burns and stuff I remember having a phone call of Pritch and he said how's your band man I was like not good I remember buying these cargo shots not these ones a reputable make and when I was on the plane I was starting to seep through the brand probably one of the gnarliest things that and stingy nails that was the experience and Dr Sanchez I don't know the list probably goes on like the dildos to my hand that was funny that's fucking funny Robocock the cellotape and the dog was to your hand and the the fucking the walk around your neck the bastards the thing is like my old man's name God bless him was David Luck so I was like I have got a D-lock around my neck the first time in Scotland Matthew had it wrong the first time was in Belfast and Joyce Seeswall on the key I did wait for him to shit it out but then they did it in Scotland yeah and with a lot of like rattling I barricaded my fucking door in the house I thought I was safe but the bastards came in through the window didn't they it was like whatever I went I couldn't put my head down in peace at all but why did you how can you fall asleep you fucking sleep one noise I'm fucking on guard I'm standing up but you're out I think I struggle with sleep apnea stuff like I just go into a mad, mad sleep perfect for shows like Dutney Sanchez well I suppose I suppose you definitely like sleep in the cause of the time but that doesn't sum me up as a person I mean it's like I did gnarly shit you know there's all sorts of causes it's like Joyce man his shock value is tremendous there's nothing you think of the closest thing in Joyce I'll give it a go how was the paintballs and stuff though did you go through that or was it just Prachard yeah we all did he's all went through the first one the first one that's fucking sore yeah cause one night my little fucky in Wiener he would like skin the ball back right it was a naked paintball and that was probably one of the worst definite you had to do the walk of shame going through when you're talking about it you're smiling as if you missed the pain as well do you know what I'm not a fighter but I'm not a tough man I'm a mellow fucking person but do you know what there's some pain which is quite nice if that makes any sense of course it makes sense yeah Panchels S&M club did you go through that the experience in becoming the name that he did was it a good feeling how did family members and stuff treat you were they proud my mother was like it's like watching a car crash you don't want to look but you will look my father after basically Pritch turned up with his girlfriend at the time in my parents house because the producer at the time when I turned through my parents so they turned up Pritch had been awake all night bottle of vodka and a cranberry juice in his hand and my own man's wrangler jacket but with the sleeves cut off that was the first I ever introduced to my parents and my own man's I guess that guy looks like Freddy Boswell like a bread we started laughing and me and Pritch was just getting having a laugh and they were trying to do interviews so it was like let's go over the local pub and stuff and Pritch rocks it and people had never seen anything like that but it was just straight out of the fucking Brady Bunch and we went back and my father had had a few wines at the time so we were doing the slapsy thing so fast forward a week my dad had a pretty good job in the steelworks at the time so the morning meeting and they were like can't die, we saw you on tv last night and he went that's not in my stupid son's program he went no Sir Trevor MacDonald and we'd got accused of being happy slapping and he was like Mike every waver I've signed is going out the fucking window there's no chance I can ever buy this we've been stitched up and you know I was unaware of it at the time as well but so the old man he had his own opinion but all and all like the family's response was good but again it's a massive thing it's something that you probably enjoyed what's the most you miss about it basically just like anyone else at this moment in time I miss travelling, exploring meet the new people skateboarding but you know like things are so busy at the moment with other stuff you don't get much time to skateboard the travelling aspect definitely miss the camaraderie between the boys it's great for a while but then I like my own bed I like my own house I like just the basic creature comforts like to get into a deep sleep getting your fucking eyebrows wiped off that's exactly right Jim how many times did you get your hair shaved well as you can see I'm unemployed oh mate I couldn't even tell you like too many because you had a good too many even how would Marks had me at the end I thought me in how would we do it but there was in Mark en stuff when the eyebrows went because when the kids were getting born I was like boys I don't want photos of me without eyebrows it's like one of those how is that obviously as they're doing it for cameras there must have been times you're thinking fuck me this is does it ever become hard work as well or do you just go you know what we're making a show and we're being coming successful you know what that's certainly a truth you know because you know people think tour bus life is great but you try living, sleeping, eating you know you're only getting like two showers a week unless you go to some dodgy service station in fucking Germany we're somebody looking through the wall having a wank are they okay in that service station you've been to them it's only the other stations I go to Gloria Old James why do you think I'm one of those so much oh dude but tour life it wasn't like after a while it really took us toll on all of us and as much I love the guys you know we're like very you know sincere friends after a while it's just like being on a rugby or football tour you need that time to recharge how long were you on the road for how long were you on the road for like 2 months at a time no break people might think that's not long sometimes I'm fucked when I get home I'm drained it might not sound like a long period of time but when you're trying to sleep when I open you don't want to chill and it's just like just eating shitty pigettes and stuff around Europe like look this might sound as if I'm complaining because I'm not complaining about a single inch I have no regrets in life it was rock and roll it was timeless we respected it who took the line Pritchard, would you take a line of vinegar or something or would you take a line of something we are like a meter of mustard powder we've slaughtered wasabi we tried part wasabi what do you think I need to try it the bum knows of you you're fucking a meter of mustard a meter of mustard I think was the biggest attempt but then we used to like punt as challenges but it didn't really work out did you have a team behind you to say look you can't do that because you can die or was it just a case of fuck it let's go do you know what there was a glass region once who came down and we called him beg be and he was more nuts in us we used to just sign everything high risk high risk post it under his door but then we had other health and safety people and good people I'm not going to mention any names because I don't want to jeopardise any professionalism but the Mancunyan he was great we rocked and we partied with him we were still friends to this day but everything high risk high risk you know everything dodgy then you've got to take us boxes what's the one thing you would have loved to have done when Dr Sanchez was at his prime did you ever have any pranks that you kind of just missed out on do you know what to take Pritches air right off to the bone like looking around now there's so much gnarly stuff going on now I don't know if you've seen that person dropping in on a bridge and then just bass jumping off it I'm not very good with heights but like fuck that keep me a line of fucking bacon soda or whatever fuck that anything to do with heights I'm rubbish what do you think about the stuff that's happening now to when you were doing it back in your day where it was a kind of free for all half the stuff you've done now wouldn't be allowed now but what do you think the stuff that everybody's kind of doing because social media is popping social media is popping respect to people as long as they're promoting something good but like also I think there's a lot of negativity that comes with it you know like with nothing against you know these love islanders and stuff but like if promoting like fucking botox you know like I don't really I just don't care a lot there's a lot of inflows and stuff about a lot of people when somebody does something bad that gets shared and retweeted fucking thousands of times people think the world's a bad place but if somebody does something good it doesn't get shared that much because everybody loves drama so people just share the shit but when you were going through all that then did you ever get any grief from when you were at the height of everything you were trolling and that wasn't around because social media wasn't around but did you ever get you know going back to what I said earlier now and again you meet the odd tosser in the pub but it was like look I'm under a new type thing just chill out and he's fucking smashing the glass or his head putting it to my fucking neck and I'm like you do that and you're going to have a fucking you know you're going to fucking see the other side it's mad but I'm not but there you know the bit touch word and you know thankfully that was like few and far between everything was like pretty well embraced we got well embraced like on a whole because I think as opposed to like you know the Yanks it was like far more like relatable and a lot of people they seemed to enjoy it how was the live audiences do you know what it was one of the best buzzers in my entire life 10,000 people 10,000 people who read it 10,000 people who leads nothing you know just a normal chap and then you know you get paid to do fucked up shit which we were doing anyway it was pretty like something else was special did you ever feel pressure try to constantly raise the bar to get laughs and get the wolf factor the shock factor there was always an element to like raising the bar and stuff but I don't think we really had a problem that especially when you got pritching choices on were you sad when it kind of came to an end yeah to be honest the wee things like myself and pritch were in the channel 4 we did like you know some piebluts and stuff but you know what all good things have to come to an end at some point it's time to move on so what happened what did you do with your life then the curtains were kind of coming down the all that stuff do you know what like at one point I was in between checks I had to be for everything and stuff I went to the steelworks you know nothings you know I was working class lad but then now we started that's been going really well and the rest is history because obviously people think they see you on the tv and they see him tv they think you are making millions but it doesn't work that way he owes you 4 million what's that story again basically he bought the rights for out in the states and I don't think we'll ever see that you'll never see that for that fucking that's just fucking nature there's no way you can fight a case against that we'll have to see something that we'll have to explore it's obviously going to be explored but it's the old principle we'll just see what happens there fingers crossed man because it's still your baby you still deserve to get something if you can was there a lot of corruption and backstabbing when it came to all that kind of stuff money and contracts and all that bullshit especially if you're naive to it like initially without having an agent it's just like Matthew but then the second series and stuff we made things right it hasn't all been like doom and gloom it's great but when you're young you think it's going to last forever we were spending a lot back then I was spending quite a lot I prefer to just live for the day kind of mentality well yeah kind of it was just living living that live and then we got older half kids we think fuck me give me that money back do you know what but the kids are alright that's the main thing we were just starting out our jobs then what was it like from being on MTV to then going into that a normal job but that only lasted for like 2 weeks so how were you getting treated though how were you getting treated when you were in there was people just not always want to ask questions it was just like it was just like a proper interview like fucking non stuff you're like certain people are stoked other people look down on you but you know what you've got to dust yourself off man like sometimes you have to be down there to experience being up there and nobody is big in the village like for myself I rock with all sorts of people I don't care if you're famous or not it's about how people treat you and how you want to be treated life's a journey I'm the same treat people the way they treat you everybody breathes the same air it doesn't matter what we've got in the bank or who we are it's just all a persona it's just a shield at the end of the day we're all fucking equal in my eyes obviously I'm doing well now I can start downing people do you know what I mean I'm not doing too bad do you know what so let's promote that straight away this is a brand clothing brand clothing brand called Samba Table myself and Nigelint business partner it's been going for like 5 years strong good man the shop is doing well some classy stuff very colourful is this for that skateboard that kind of mentality it's basically it's one of the best streetwear shops in south Wales at the moment and where can people get this shop where is that they can find you on www.samba-tablo.uk what do you think looking back in that experience then of the mad years the mad years what do I think carnage it's just complete another carnage is that 20 years or 25 years it's 20 years 20 years he's going to get like an adversary kind of thing hopefully we'll see what happens who knows we've all got schedules we've all got stuff to do but it's mega now you're talking social media everything's popping I don't see why not I think everybody loved it I think even when it never got another season I think people were kind of shocked by it because the views were still fucking going through the roof yeah yeah but you know we were on and dead like myself and Pritchett Balls of Steel you know some of this stuff Balls of Steel was funny Balls of Steel was probably one of the most painful things that I've ever been through it was fucking gnarly man going through a brick wall like fucking like looking back I just think what was I doing what was I actually doing yeah it's pretty gnarly man would you have done anything though would you have been willing to do anything to create content like I draw the line on certain things on what on what just for me bring in the fifth people just bring in the fifth people it was so bizarre man because I was in a really rough like two-link relationship at the time I do a lot of narcotics and stuff for the first the first years how on earth did I invite you back to the second one and then we did the third and then we did like massive Balls of Steel yeah Channel 4 they definitely put us to old paces they don't care man they're free for all as well is that come a lot of pressure and stress like getting views and figures and trying to do well is that where the alcohol abuse and drug abuse comes in I do, they were like oh no no it was just part and parcel of life like at that moment in time like view and figures we just leave that if we were invited to come back and do another show that was just the way it was we're like at that moment in time we wasn't really conscious about that knowing what I know now it'd be completely different just like with anything I think that's what makes it work though when you don't care when you start worrying about it you kind of put me a pressure on yourself and that's when the mistakes kick in to play I'm not worried about anything now it's like just happy living I could like Samba Table which is a great place we got the mountains there we got the beaches there perfect reservoirs you like cold water there's a beautiful place you must come one time I definitely will I love all that shit that's what keeps me sane even though people think you're insane I feel as if I'm sane I'm fucking insane of course you're going to be insane were you battling hard when you were going through it was that a long period of time for you did Pritchard ever say get your shit together Pritchard had one moment in time it was more to do with a very volatile relationship I was going through it that moment in time did that affect you? it affected our business and that's the only time Matthew really come to log ads because it's a brand doesn't it? it was something it's a lesson learnt these days it would never happen but at that moment when you're young and you think things will last forever then there it was but luckily enough things are all good I'm glad to hear what about when your dad passed what was life like then did you struggle with that? well both life are folks like a loss in both sorry for your loss brother no no no to rejoice in life because the time we had together was precious it did hit me like a ton of bricks I probably did spiral out of the control for a year or two I'd be there there's that just being a fool and then you realize come on get your shit together I'm still working on my stuff it's every day but you'd like to your own eulogy exactly we'll fucking make mistakes I'll speak about this shit my dad passed that spiral for 7 years all that done was take fucking drinking drugs I didn't know how we handled the pain even when I had Joko Sagi on there he was broken when his dad died he hit the drink in the party we just don't know how we handled death man I'm sorry for your loss too thank you bro I'm like too senior oh man it's hard to put into words because it's an escape mechanism but it's I remember my old man saying to me you'll never find the problem you'll never resolve the problem at a bottom of a glass what was I doing bottom's up kind of thing it does take your pain for very small percentage the day away but it just enhances it the next day as well on the plus side I've got a very good circle of friends and tight family and I like a drink from that one again like the narcotic side has gone but it's good to have a smaller bubble and people you can really trust to move on and the scars will always be there legends never die as you say the scars are always there you've just got to learn how to deal with them absolutely to be honest that's the beauty of living in petal you can go mountain biking or just go for a cycle around the beach now it's beautiful get a good vibes nature that's what it's all about your mum and dad would have seen you living your best life at a young age just having fun and being successful and doing what you're doing having a son that's on MTV just having fun with my group of lages it was fucking nuts but still man they would be proud they were definitely proud my own man he wouldn't have meant this my own man he was the best player he was one of those man's man of the Ed Gaskas got in the car I'll sort that out proper legend man I'm sure your dad it was just I was blessed I don't want to sound it was great to have him here for when we did for the time for the time we shared together and it's priceless and if I could be half the parent that they would me to my daughters I'd be a very happy man I'm sure you have my brother and more but it's just all about living and learning accepting the pain to move on and I said man life is a journey it's a fucking mad journey it's not easy man no matter how well you succeed I'm still trying to figure it out I'm a constant thinker so I'm thinking what the fuck is it all about what is it all about same here but same here every day I learn something new and you know like the world keeps turning it keeps evolving adapt overcome it's not about I've got this I've got that I've got that I've got that materialistic stuff doesn't drive me personally it's about finding your inner strength we've all got that as well that's the scary thing for anybody watching our battling big security gap somebody here in downtown PT downtown PT Sabatablo big mo cup now I don't know what where do you go from here then brother from the MTV star so having your own clothing range what's the plans for the future like the plans for the future to be a better person in myself like gloon and trying to stay in through tomorrow but more importantly to be like the best father I can and make the shop proper take it global Sabatablo San Francisco why not make it a success and just go with it where do you get that method of thinking to take it global and believing that you're going to take it global because if you haven't got hope what have you got you've got to go for stuff 100% if you're not going to go for it 100% what's the point to go for it do you know anything exactly mate who's got to take your shot roller dice roller dice pay the price that's what I used to do with the kids I was that bad a dad I could be just playing craps daddy they came up in the term roller dice pay the price but it was great for like quick like arithmetic en stuff for the kids where's the best place you've ever been in the world well that's the best place obviously fucking fucking downtown Sabatablo I have actually been a bit now it was glorious it was great man it was about four years ago it's a good climb it's not as hard as people think it's the tallest in the UK it is the tallest in the UK I believe but it was for a charity it was very close to my heart it was do you know what going up it's completely different to coming down down is harder and you know what they actually had it was august time they had like an annual you can get up at fastest and there was people coming down they got like a fucking like a bowling ball in the fucking alley there was people like that they succated legs and shit they had like fucking necks proper nally man proper nally and I was just like wow this does make Sanchez look like a pile of shit because they were going for gold funny but that's what I think my peace and nature yeah no I definitely man that's when I feel alive just out in nature feeling good out in the wild on this no fucking buddy there no did he talk to if I see something in a supermarket that I know I'll go down another aisle so I can't speak to them I did die actually today for once it wasn't an ex-girlfriend no but like peace and tranquility and happiness that's the way forward I reckon that's the beautiful thing about it I think when you go through a bit of trauma and pain when you start losing people you start understanding life a bit more you start appreciating it a bit more even though we can still fuck up and do bad stuff my eating is bad we can still destroy our health in certain things but we know we're right from wrong we know what we're doing is wrong but it's just hard sometimes it's all about finding a life balance like for me yeah you know now and again but you know like trying to eat healthy and you know just to get out and get energised get out in the countryside get out in the wilderness recharging just recharging like you said there's nothing wrong with a bit of secludedness just go away like like role mode take everybody out of you no that was really fucking wrong I do apologise to the family there but yeah no no but like peace and tranquility and stuff you know it's a good thing before we finish up my brother would you like to finish up on anything yourself I'd just like to say thanks thank you and if anyone's watching www.sampatablo1901.com check the link before we will leave the link in the description box and stuff anyway for people getting contact this episode is sponsored by this brand anyway yeah exactly thank you listen god bless you what a best for the future