 Sorry, it's a little bit late start this morning. I was selfish, I ate breakfast. I'm sorry, it won't happen again. But the point of this is to, we should have some folks joining in here shortly, is to answer your questions about anything Office 365, Microsoft 365 related. And we'll go from there. So if you have questions, we're live streaming in a couple of different locations. We're waiting, pending approval out on the Microsoft 365 community. But this is all about ask me anything, AMA format, post your questions and we'll do our best to go through and review them. One of the questions, one of the things that's talked about most frequently right now, for some reason, is the status of the Brady Bunch feature within Teams. And so that three by three format. And the latest over the weekend, and the mic is joining. Good morning. The latest, I've just done some posted questions over on the community page. And the popular question out there is what's the status of the Brady Bunch boxes in Teams? The three by three. And Jeff Teeper just responded to something on Twitter. I think it was Twitter over the weekend or LinkedIn. It's one of the problems now with all these various communication tools. I don't remember where I read it, just that Jeff Teeper answered that question that we're probably, it's in testing now and once it hits that kind of quality standard then they'll push it out to tenants. So I believe he indicated it's happening over the next two weeks. So it should be up pretty quickly. Part of the question though was whether Microsoft was gonna add more than just the nine. And they said that, which I think makes perfect sense. This is we're gonna continue to look at the data and look at different options and how we might do that and if it makes sense to do more. But that is something that they're still thinking about talking about for the future. Yeah, it actually has got accelerated because I remember asking that question back in, gosh, that was right before our summit because they were talking about wasn't we finally using Teams and we knew the limitation. And we were asking that question. And he said, well, it's getting accelerated, obviously. So it was on the roadmap for later, but I don't think they're gonna hit like, what book are you doing like Zoom now? Like 32 screens or something? I don't think that makes any sense. I mean, it's nice that one off having that. But I mean, honestly, it just doesn't make sense. I would love to have more of a curated experience. If I've got 30 people in a collaborative environment, but I might want to pin six people's images and I could swap them out as the organizer, the producer of that event. So more akin to what you can do with the team's live capability. Yeah. I can understand that. Yeah, that makes a much more sense. That does. Yeah, the other, oh, go ahead. I know, I just have to comment. I love the shirt, man. Oh yeah, this is the, surprise, Sean isn't here because he and I were talking about the t-shirts. So this is my, I went and bought like a series of six dollar t-shirts. And this is one of them. I have to say that my favorite one is the picture of the crocodile, just as a murder log. My wife, who doesn't like to stand next to me, be around me in public when I'm wearing graphic tees. I don't know that guy. I don't know that guy. But yeah, it's just funny. I have a closet full of colored shirts that were my like travel, my business conference, where, you know, when I'm in front of clients and people that I don't look like, I rolled out of bed because I, you know, literally rolled out of bed and threw on a t-shirt. Most of the time you do. Right, but that's the, I guess the plus side to working from home. I always said, when I was young, I said my philosophy was like, cause I'm a jeans wear and I own other pants. I hate to wear them. I own a couple of suits. I rarely wear them. You see me in a suit. It's because I'm on my way to church. But even then I try to not wear the suits. But my philosophy as a teenager, I think it was about 15 when I said, I have to be able to climb a tree in a moment's notice. So whatever I'm wearing, you know, can I climb a tree in it? If I'm, if it's would be uncomfortable, I'd be unable to climb a tree. I will not wear that. Interesting. So why do I need to climb a tree? I'd like, I don't know. I don't know. An injured bear that can't climb. I have to escape it. I don't know. Yeah. Well, Mike, any other questions pop up this past week that you'd like to talk about? Anything in your world? No, actually, my world has been really focused on, believe it or not, something that I'm not, I'm not overly excited about, you know, I've been focused on sequel. So it's kind of learning new things about that. And yeah, it's not my first choice, but, you know. It's the stuff that picks the bills. Yeah, I'm not a database guy. So it's like, you know, trying to teach them on, you know, how to be a DBA when they're not a DBA, but that's all right. Yeah, you know, what's funny is I made this observation years ago, and it was, I think I first said this when I was at Microsoft, so 2006 to 2009, about how DBAs in the Microsoft world don't really exist. Not likely they do outside of the Microsoft ecosystem. I don't know, I just, I came from and worked in telecom for a number of years, and so it's kind of like, I was at Pacific Bell. I was there in the same building at the same time when Scott Adams was still in the building. He was three floors below me in the Death Star, the of Bollinger Canyon in San Ramon, California, if anybody knows that area. But, oh, hang on, just got another notice. Yeah, but when he talked about everything is database driven, you know. Well, that's when I got a lot of folks that were like Axis. You know, when Axis was like, made everything easy. You know, Axis I could do inside and out, outside and down. I mean, that's, you know, it's really easy to create forms in there. It's easy to create queries. It's really easy, but when you start getting into the guts of the sequel, it gets a little scary, you know. So it's a learning experience, you know, something new, something going out and fun. So I'm looking at, it looks like, see, just got a message from Brad. You know, they've changed things up. So the watch party, what's going on? Sorry, I don't know if there's, while I'm handling this technical issue, if there's anything you can talk about, Mike. Sure, I didn't know you're having a technical issue, but that's all. Well, trying to share this out on, they've renamed the Office 365 community. Oh yeah. And so things got kind of switched up. So yeah, hang on. So one of the things that I've noticed, and we had a couple calls last week about was around, again, everybody's talking about the working from home and what they're doing and things like that, but there's been a lot of folks that have been investing in their home tech during this time. They really kind of put some money into it. And I'm no different. I mean, we were talking about all this different stuff. I mean, everything's out of stock. You know, they're talking about green screens and lighting and all this other stuff because everybody's going video, crazy. And I got myself a little like an Elgato Stream Deck here, so I can control everything right from a Stream Deck and a nice LED light above me and all that. So it's just, to me, it's kind of interesting that some folks were like, well, you know, I'm only gonna be here for three or four months, but yet they're investing all this money into creating the visuals because they feel that it's gonna be something that, even though they're gonna be home for three or four months, they're trying to get to the point where they'd be able to do this work from home more than actually going into the office. So I- I just heard on the radio this morning that I was out walking the dogs. It's one of my favorite programs for those that know them, Armstrong and Getty that are out of Northern California, that they're like all over the nation now, but in fact, they're on a local station here in the Utah area, but I've never listened to them on that because I listened through the iHeart Radio app, but they're hilarious, they're wicked smart, they're very libertarians, they're very in the middle, yelling at both sides on the political stuff, but do a lot of the pop culture stuff, just the pointing out stupid things said by stupid people kind of thing and poking fun of it and really funny, but they were talking about how, one of the problems they have with, there's a lot of teachers that are out there that basically held up on doing the online as well, because if not every kid has all the same technology, doesn't have access, therefore we're not gonna even start our programs until everybody has a laptop and has high speed internet and there's just ridiculous stuff. Well, and so there's some school systems that are just now slowly getting online with things and they're saying, what's amazing is that 25 years ago and hardly anybody had the internet, there were outages obviously not for this long, but away from school, but they would do crazy things like sending packets with homework programs through the mail and calling people on the telephone and talking to them about it. It's like, well, do you have to see that, they're talking about how, and a lot of families that have a single computer that where somebody's trying to work on it while kids are wanting to do school, but they're like, no, we must be in a Zoom session, we must be in a live video and see all of their faces in my class for us to proceed versus an asynchronous collaboration model. I think some of the learnings from this, I mean, I would love to see every household in the US have a computer that's modern and have internet access and be able to get access to all of this, but do you have to have 100% compliance to that to be able to move things forward and hold the people that have that back? No, I mean, you start looking at, even in rural areas, working with one gentleman who went up to his cottage and he uses satellite internet. It's just terrible. I mean, there's no way you can actually function in a classroom type setting with that type of broadband and stuff, but that's all infrastructure and things like that. I don't know, to me, it's just, you know, the world is slowly getting there and for folks that look back and say, well, remember the way we used to do things? I mean, in my opinion, we're not in that world anymore. You know, we got thrust into this thing a month ago. Well, not what six weeks ago or whatever. And we're just, we're not in that world anymore and people have to start adapting a little bit. Yeah, yeah, it's, well, it could be interesting. Well, I mean, so for having been in the collaboration technology space for two thirds of my career, I was in largely the project management technology space prior to that. So it's been in knowledge and information management systems my entire 30-year career. It's kind of exciting to see, you know, that, you know, as much as we do see, you know, that the rise of this kind of technology and so it didn't surprise me that like Microsoft's numbers were double digit growth this last quarter. Well, you know, with so much of their, you know, divested interest sped across, you know, different areas, but more and more towards the cloud. I mean, it's- But they got hit though. I mean, they got hit with the whole capacity thing too. We can't forget that, right? Because I don't think anybody could have estimated the amount of capacity that was going to get used up, especially in the, across the pond in the European region where they got hit pretty hard. I personally think one thing that I thought of the other day was there are a lot of, I shouldn't say there are a lot. There are companies that are stepping up and they're allowing things to get used, you know, for 30, 60, 90 days, sometimes, you know, through the end of the year of 2020 for free, you know, instead of having people pay for that. There are some companies that are just using it as, and now I'm, my opinion, I'm being honest, is there are some companies, I think that are just using it as bait to give people to buy their product at a later time. But what I didn't see is I haven't seen Microsoft step up and say, you know what? We're going to make Office 365 free. We're going to give you a free subscription for three months, for 90 days, or until this mess is over, so you can collaborate. I understand they made teams free, but at the same time, why didn't they allow the entire collaboration suite? You know, why didn't they just say, okay, even if it was just to EDUs, you know, to students in EDUs and saying, hey, we want to give them, you know, we're going to let you use this thing. And sure, the subscription will run out, you know, when the new school year starts or whatever, but to provide a platform that people wouldn't have to run out like, you know, hey, I got to go buy three more computers because my three kids need them and they're all working from home or they're all in homeschool and they have to buy office licenses for all three of those. It doesn't make a lot of sense to me. So I a little disappointed in that and I think there are other companies that also, you know, really haven't kind of stepped up in that area, but you know, I don't know. To me, it would just make sense and it would be good faith for them. Yeah, you know, what you were talking about too, is you know, what is it the home edition of Office 365? It's what, it's a hundred bucks. A hundred bucks a year. And then you get five devices. Well, now it's not six or- Is it six? Have they increased that? Yeah. Well, there you go. I need to be subletting that other. You know, so it's, you know, so it's relatively inexpensive to go. I mean, I get your point. I think it would be fantastic if they would do something like that. And I certainly, I know that there's a lot of programs out there, there's, I'm sure there's, there's well discounted versus that through different programs. Even if they release something like that through partners entirely and let them go and kind of gate that, you know, deployment versus just have it out there free and available for everybody. Yeah, I just know, I just know some, some friends of my son are saying, and to be honest with you, they just don't, they couldn't afford that a hundred dollars a year because right now they're both, both their parents lost their jobs, you know, and they were, you know, it's, it's, it's hard for some folks right now. It's really, even with the stimulus, you know, checks or whatever is happening, it's hard for some folks even to afford that if they spend a hundred bucks on that or they spend a hundred bucks on food. I don't know. Right. Well, you know, there, it seems like there's a great opportunity to let the free market kind of drive it to start a charity where people can donate to buy those licenses and, and give them out. You know, I don't know if there's something like that that exists, but I think that would be a fantastic thing. Maybe, maybe Mark Jones and the Collab 365 team might put something like that together where people could donate to buy families in need, Office 365 home licenses. I'm just saying. Just saying. No pressure. I just think that if they didn't do it, they just, it'd be just incredibly, you know, lazy. And, Yeah. Yeah. All right. Yeah. So, so far other common questions. So I've got actually a blog post going live today where I'm going through and, well, it's been drafted like two weeks ago and so I'll, I'll finish, I'll publish it, but was one of the favorites from the latest productivity tips webinar that I do with Tom Duff, which is the becoming the master of your domain of your screen space. Yeah. And, and so there's three tools which I highlight within the, well, there's two blog posts because I have a separate one for the third item, but really kind of the triple features there. So the, I'm the king of the alt tab, which everybody knows, toggle between your various applications that you have open on your desktop using alt tab. And so it's like driving a stick. I don't even notice it. I just, you switch between, and you know, it's just as I'm working throughout the day and can't find that. And I'll just be, you know, that I'll be looking over on another screen, the right hand with the mouse will be doing stuff and the toggling will be happening on the left and I wasn't even aware, like, oh, I've, I've switched. So that, that's the first one. The second one is the windows key and the arrows. The, so splitting the, it's a screen split. And so that's something that I use. And I, I didn't realize that you could do this, but you could actually divide even top bottom on a monitor on that, that split. So, so you can go in, if you don't know what I'm talking about. So I have this extra wide monitor here. Get my ring, there we go. So this extra wide monitor, that here's a normal monitor, like right here. And so I can have two full browser windows open or applications open in this with full fidelity. But sometimes I want to have more space or not. I can, you know, hit the window key, the arrow key, and it will, whatever the primary workload that I'm working in. So the browser or a one note or a share point in a browser, whatever it is, it'll, it'll split that open. And then you'll get that little, the cloud of the other applications that are open. And you can then select that, that screen and split the screen. In fact, you know, I can show you. The beauty of creation. I'll show you the world. La, la, la, la, la, la, la. Okay, sorry, share my other screen. All right, all right, so if you see that. So here I am, I've got just two browsers open, but so what I'm gonna do is, so I'm in this primary window that's open here. I'm gonna, windows key left arrow. So it will automatically pull to the left side of the screen and over on the right side. So you have the options of everything else that I have open that I could split between. And so sometimes I'll have like, you know, it's a good one to have open on the second screen, my Spotify view, and I open this up so that we're not in it. So looking at, I'm looking at web cons website there. But it's a great way to, again, to maximize your workspace and have multiple things open. And then you can also go in and say, well, you know what? I need more room for navigating music. So sorry, webcon website. Drag that over and why did that, it should move this whole thing. Let me try this again. Must have grabbed the wrong bar. Oh, the left side there. So as you drag, nope. Something off, I must be clicking on something else. But anyway, maybe it's in the primary screen where it does this, but you know, typically what happens, of course, it's not showing what, you grab this bar and it will minimize the, on the right side while I'm maximizing the webcon page there, the blog. And so you drag and drop between those things. But what's cool about this is here's what I, let me try this again. Okay, here we go. So there's between, now I should be able to grab this and what's going on? Is it because there's something open above it? Let me try this one more time. Demos are fantastic. Even unprepared demos, they're better. Yeah, that's the best, Jerry, the best. All right, one more time, there we go. There it is, there's nothing open behind them. So I should be able to grab this and slide, no, it's going on. So anyway, in a perfect world, it should slide both of these at the same time and move them. And then the other thing I tried so I could actually hit like the down arrow. I put that in the bottom. Hey, I wanna have this open, you know, up towards the top. There it is and fill, you know, the spaces there. So you can actually, and what's nice about this, I'm gonna stop sharing now with my ad hoc demo there. What's nice about that is, even with the two monitors, is moving over to the other monitor and setting that up. So that's something that I'm doing quite frequently. And then the third thing, oh, we got Hal joining. Let me promote him over. The third thing is the Windows Timeline, which is just another fantastic feature. Good morning, Hal. Good morning. For information on how to do that, right? Or where the UML diagrams are for that. So this just kind of goes through the process. Yeah, we could also, we could hear some other audio bleeding through. Oh, sorry to be through that, John. The notes under the slide for this. That's Mr. Andrew Connell. Yeah, we don't wanna hear any of him. That explains it out in detail. Yeah, can still hear him pretty strong. So how do you go about doing game and apps to call security? I'm gonna mute you. There we go. While you figure that out. Yeah, the third thing is the Windows Timeline. And if you're not familiar with this, maybe I can do this. Hang on. I'm gonna- This one should work. This should be easy. Yeah, you would think. You would think. Hear my scream. All right. So here in the Windows Timeline, so it's this little thing right down here, right by the little talk to Cortana button. And you click on that task view. Basically, it opens up and you've got the slider over on the right side. And it allows you to scroll down through days, you know, the last couple of weeks of everything you had open that you were working on. So if you come in Monday morning and say, darn it, what was I working on Friday? And so you're able to go in and you click on that and just jump right back into the application. And so this is a, you know, for example, hey, here is this. I did this image over in Paint for the webinar that John did. And so opens it right back up. That's it. So those three features, the Alt Tab, the Windows Arrow for splitting your screen in the Windows Timeline. With those three powers, kind of like in Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows. There's three of them. And you can be the master of your own desktop. You are stretching that so far. I mean, I don't think that would ever, yeah, okay. Yeah, the Timeline thing was actually, excuse me, Timeline thing was only available like, that wasn't even available in 8.1. I think that is a 10 feature, right? Because you used to be able to bring up the taskbar, but it would not show you the entire timeline. It would just show the windows. Right. Yeah. All right, Hal, we've got your volume back. Well, hopefully. Yeah, there we are. How's it going this morning? Oh, so far so good. Typical Monday, I guess. You can't sigh like that and have us believe you that everything is okay. Well, I actually made it here before the thing was over. I'm not complaining. Yeah. That's great. The trouble with Mondays is that being retired now, I tend to oversleep. I don't want to get up to like 7.30 in the morning. And then it's, that leaves me like a half an hour to get the cats fed, get the dishes washed, get the computer turned on and everything, get a cup of coffee made, you know, it's high. I'm here. So I've been going to sleep, because time doesn't matter anymore. So I was up working last night. I probably went to sleep at 2 a.m., which is about normal now. And yet I'm still up at between 6.30 and 7 a.m. You're younger. I don't know, it's not caffeine. I'm really got that controlled, especially I don't need an afternoon headache. But yeah, so anyway, good time. I've actually joined some virtual sessions now that are like 8 or 9 o'clock at night because of the time difference. So there's a session going on over in the Netherlands and I'll jump on for APEC or there. And that's 8 or 9 o'clock at night. You know, everything's kind of gone topsy turvy. Yeah. Well, I wanted to ask you, I wanted to ask you about a feature that we're talking about, you're talking about the timeline and stuff. One of the things I want to ask is, is any of you ever really use a sandbox in Windows 10? Either, no. Okay, so if you're not familiar with it, Windows 10 comes with a sandbox, which allows you to run another instance of Windows 10, but it's a throwaway instance. So natively in Windows 10, you can spark up, you know, click on Windows Sandbox, and it'll spin up a Windows 10 image. It's a very basic image. Are you gonna give us an ad hoc demo, Mike? You can do whatever you want. Oh gosh, I don't know. I mean, because really, I mean, all you're doing is you're just, it's just explanatory. It just spins up a Windows 10 image. It's a virtual image. And the thing about it is that everything that you do inside of there, when you close it, or your machine, you know, reboots, it goes away. So when you spin it up again, it's fresh. It's a brand new image again. And it takes it directly off the Windows 10 WIM file, which is a copy to your machine when you install Windows 10. And it just, you know, boom, spins it up, throws it away, spins it up, throws it away, spins it up. And I've got some people that I've been doing testing. I actually opened an email in there because you know how fishing works and everything else. So I actually opened up the sandbox, went to get my mail, which wasn't through Outlook.com, it was to another service. I downloaded the attachment, you know, looked at it inside of that sandbox just because it was something that was a fishing attempt that redirected me to a site over in, in China or some place like that. And it was interesting because it never touches your machine. It can't access anything on your machine except, you know, you can even tell it not to access your network resources. So it's really kind of cool if you've tried it out or used it. No, I guess so the theories if you're taking, if you're practicing risky behavior and downloading strange executables, things that you want to try out, see how it's going to work, you know, the provided environment. I mean, that's where, I mean, for again, those, from the SharePoint world, I mean that whole, you know, SharePoint sandbox, that concept came from the product team. I was back when I was part of MMS and BPOS just because we wanted exactly that. We just saw that with, especially with migrations that we'd see people that deploying solutions that would bring down the entire system just breaking everything. And we, so remember sitting in that meeting, I'm sure there were many discussions around it where we said, this is like a safe, like a sandbox that we could play in. Right. And so I'm trying to think of that was a, like a- Can you see my screen there? Kurt Delbini meeting, yeah, yep, can see that. So you just, you know, starting on the Windows icon, just type sandbox and the Windows sandbox app will come up. I'll just, basically, this is what it looks like and it spins up a Windows 10 image. And that's right now, I mean, you can do, it's got edge in here, you can do whatever you want inside of it. And then once you spin it down, it's gone. I can create a text file here. You know, if I wanted to, new text document. And if I were just to close this, or I don't know if they'd offer. That's the exciting thing about an ad hoc demo. Yeah. I created the text file. Yeah. And notice it uses a WDAG utility account as it's login. I thought that was kind of interesting. So if I close that, are you sure you want to close? Once sandbox is closed, all of its content will be discarded and permanently lost. So then you bring up sandbox again and you can bring up multiples. You know, so. What version of Windows is that? There is a way to bring up multiples. I know that. I think you have to do a red jacket. You can do multiples. I'm sorry. How was the question? That isn't straight 1909, is it? This is, yeah. Well, I'm on Insider. Exactly. Yeah. So I'm in 1909, 613, yeah. Yeah. So that's something that a stock Windows 10 user would have. This was actually in 1809, I thought. I thought it was actually introduced in 1809. Maybe I'm wrong, but. I don't fit in my system at all. No? Is it an actual feature you have to install? I should check that. Fair enough. Windows Sandbox, you have to check it. Oh, Windows Features. Cool. That's where I was. I'm not seeing it. I did a search and it took me to Windows Features, but I don't see it in the dropdown list. What version are you on? Oh, you're making me look now. It might be a Pro feature too, if you're on Pro, if you're on Home. Oh, Rusty Brown is saying, you think you have to be on W10 Enterprise. I don't have Enterprise. This is Pro, and I can prove that. Yeah, I'm on Windows 10 Pro. So I think you have to be on Pro or Enterprise. Yeah, I'm on Windows 10 Pro, because you got the feature at it. You're on Home? Christian? Yeah. So I just thought that was interesting. I mean, it's something that some folks play with, and I found out about it just by investigating how I could open up this attachment I got without messing up my machine. That's cool. Learn something new every day, thank you. Yeah. Well, that's kind of the point of this, right? Yeah, buddy. Yeah, so if there's anybody that's watching on the live streams, we've got a handful of people in a couple of locations. Let me check. It's closed. Second browser down. Let me open it up, see if there's any other questions posted. Nothing so far. Hang on, I'm gonna look at some of the questions coming down through here. Oh, one thing I'll do, since we're hosted out there in the Microsoft 365 community, formerly known as the Office 365 community, of course, we've got Global Con 2 that's coming up in early June. It's free to attend. So definitely go and take a look at that if you do a search for, where is the link to this? Build is free now. And build is free, yeah, I'm registered for that. Folks that have never been to build, and maybe not, you don't have to be a developer. And it's, you know, I've been to build once and I wish I could go, I would have went back, but now it's free, it's gonna be open to everybody, so. Yeah, I mean, should share out the link to that as well. There we go, yep. Yeah, I haven't seen the link to build. I'm gonna have to go get registered for that one myself. Yeah, I think you can just go to build.microsoft.com and it's in your register right there. Yeah, so I'll share a link to the Global Con, if you're not yet registered for that, definitely go and. What's that one? Register for that event, and then, one of you share the link for build registration. Yeah, maybe verify it's build.microsoft.com, I think it has a data account is, oh, I'm sorry, it's my building. All right, oh, that goes to panelists. You like to switch it to everybody? There we go. Yeah, so right now it's Rusty, Rusty needs that link. Yeah. Rusty probably has that link. Yeah, that's coming up. What's the dates for build? I don't have the page open. May 21st, is it? Yeah, so it's. 21st, something. I know what the, so I've never attended. I've been there twice as an MVP in RD, so I've been part of the pre-day activities. I had other business in town while build was going on and visited my sister who lives up in Bothell area, and participated in the breakfast meetings and worked there from a hotel next door. And it was great to have, then we had senior Microsoft leaders come in and speak to us at lunch and so. Yeah, I mean, it's kind of evolved. I mean, it used to be a lot of, and obviously it's a lot of development, right? It's all around the development, the core development products of Microsoft and the services. Now everything's kind of shifted into DevOps, obviously, into cloud native and all that kind of fun stuff, but there's still a groundwork for the original coding that, you know, but also, there's so many languages now. I mean, if you think about it, there's so many different languages and all libraries and frameworks, you know, from, you know, Go and Ruby, and now what's the new one? Gravel and Blink and, you know, all these other ones. And they have sessions on all this kind of stuff and how it integrates with the DevOps ecosystem. Yeah, so, but it also gets back to some of the core stuff that I work with a lot around PowerShell, around Windows Terminal, around the WSL, the Windows system for, subsystem for Linux and things like that. So not only, you know, if you're not a coder, it's okay, just, you know, pick some sessions that, you know, you might be interested in. And that's the beauty of being free and online. You can just pick and choose. You don't have to, you know, pay, what is it, like $2,000 or something and travel there and go there and go to sessions that you probably wouldn't learn much from. But now you can pick and choose. So it's kind of nice. Yeah, that's the question about whether we will forever change the, you know, the kind of the conference value proposition. If you have some events, and I know it's been talked about, some events that will maintain their online portion. I mean, we've had through Ignite, for example, we've had the real-time live keynotes, we've had that with your SharePoint conference, we have that with a number of events which will livestream kind of those day one activities. And Ignite has even extended that and had across, you know, multiple events. And there'll even be some speakers that will livestream their sessions and have permission to go and do that. I mean, certainly there's more value to a conference than just the content, the sessions themselves. And I would argue that an event like Inspire, this would have been my 11th year in a row of attending Inspire. And it's my, for sales and marketing people, you know, I'm a technical marketing guy, but that was my event. It was my biggest event of the year. And so I pull client deals down through that. And so there's talk now about, well, we're gonna have like an online version of Inspire. In fact, there was just a blog post out by a channel chief, Gabriela Schuster, a couple of days ago, talking about it. But how are they going to do the connect discussions? I can't just go up and talk to vendors and partners. I can't go and schedule those meetings the same way. No, let's say do the virtual communities. I mean, that's one of the things that some folks are coming out with now is the ability to do the virtual meetups and have the 3D where you're walking through a hall. You can see the vendor. And there are other 2D versions of that. There was a, somebody was sharing a link to a vendor, for example, that had these tables in a giant conference room. You can make that space bigger and bigger. But as you're walking up, they limit the number of people that can be at a table. So, and, but they have the topic that they're discussing, who's participating, and a spot opens up and you can sit down and join that conversation. And then it's like six people in a private chat. Yeah, but it's not, you're losing the element of being able to just have hallway conversations and drive-on and things like that. And I mean, I understand where you're coming from. I think that some companies will maintain the virtual because I know that they hold their own user conferences. And I think that those may continue to be virtual because it's less expensive if you think about it for companies to do this. Right, now for bigger companies like Microsoft and VMware and Citrix and all these other ones, I don't know, I mean, I think they would have a public push to have these in-person, to get these back to an in-person, because they're so large. I mean, look at salesforce.com. You get to a salesforce, there's 140,000 people. You go to AWS. That's insane. Yeah, AWS. Have you guys been to, have you been to an event that big? Yes, yes I have. CES, I've been to CES. Oh, that's right. CES is almost 200,000 people. Yeah, so I've been to that one over in, what was the massive, it's that large in Dubai? Where? Oh, yeah. That's, yeah, I know what you're talking about. Yeah. But I went on to the biggest one. That's the, you know, yeah. So I don't know which one's, which one's. The most reputation of broadcasters that meets in Las Vegas every April, that pulls 150, 200,000 people every year. Right. Yeah, and I forgot that I had gone to that event. So yeah, it was, it was amazing. It was there in support of Microsoft. And man, they were in the center of this massive facility. Essentially, some of the vendors, they had massive, huge spaces. And it was basically, they were like Radio Shack competitors. And so they set up stores. Sure. And just crazy as they're walking through and you're seeing these, you know, 25 cent diodes and things like. Yeah. What are you doing here? But they probably did the most business. Oh yeah, yeah. But they pay a fortune to be there. Yeah. You know, and that's just it. They don't, they don't want to pay that amount. You know, it saves them money. It's ROI on exactly, you know, setting up a booth, having, you know, some companies that I've worked for spend literally six figures on a booth. I mean, just the actual physical booth and the space that it occupies with the carpeting and the electrical and the monitors and the everything else. I mean, six figures just for that booth, you know. And that's a lot of money, but they don't want to. It's really common on the broadcasting conventions. Have you either, have you been to the MAB Convention in Las Vegas? No. That, if you get the chance, if you're a CES fan, that, that's a fun place to go take a look at if you ever get the chance to, because I mean, full studios, full cameras, production, switching equipment, distribution equipment, transmitting equipment, antennas, lighting, everything, anything, all of it. And it's, it's not just television. It's any kind of stage production of any sort. Yeah. One of the things though that I wanted to bring up real quick is the cost. Okay, because you mentioned, you know, this collab. There you could collab con, the global. The global con. Global con. Global con, I'm sorry. Global con? Yeah. Now the global con, it's interesting. Global con is a smaller conference. How many people usually? Right now, well right now I think they've got... Just a past estimate. Don't tell me what the numbers are from now, but I mean like... Yeah, like 10 to 12,000. Okay, so when you think about that, is there justification then to actually, because one thing I noticed is when I went to that website and I said I want a free ticket, now it's telling me I have four hours before I can upgrade to a premium ticket and I have to pay X amount of dollars. So hang on a second. You've got a conference, it's got 10 to 14,000 people and you're still gonna make them pay to go to this virtual conference. What are you gonna get out of that? Number one, when you have other companies, like, you know, that are offering all this for free. I mean, they're not charging, Microsoft is gonna charge anybody, VMware's not just gonna, well, we don't know about VMware. Citrus isn't charging anyone, you know. Well, but they... But global cons, it is, you can attend for free. Go to everything, participate in everything for free. What they are charging for is that after the event, getting access to all of the content on demand for as long as, you know... See, and that's just it. I mean, all these other conferences are giving their way for free. Well, and half or more of the speakers are preparing e-books and other content which is exclusive to people around that. That's the value add, I get that, but that has to be pointed out because some folks are gonna be like, why would I even pay for a conference anymore? And that's the point I'm getting at is, you know, what about the cost of this? Because this costs money to put on, but people are just gonna start expecting it to be free. Well, that was kind of my point. I said, if you have events like Ignite and Build and Inspire, if they maintain the free portion of that, and yes, there's going to be versions of the interactive find people, find vendors, find experts, that kind of thing. As we all know, it's not the same as, you know, walking through the hall and having those conversations. My point was that, you know, here I was gonna go to my 11th year of Inspire, and other than attending the keynotes where they're making announcements and Inspire, I rarely, if ever, went to any of the content sessions. I mean, I presented at some of them, I've attended when you're standing in a theater session in the Expo hall, but you know, trudging down to a room with 1,500 people in around a specific topic, things like, I never did that, I spent my time over grilling product team booth people, talking with vendors, trying to understand the various solutions, or in Connect meeting after Connect, like, reserve a table, sit down with people from around the world, meet, talk about your products and services, and do deals, and that's the part where I'm just, I'm wary of any effort to try and do, recreate that online. It's just gonna be very difficult to do. I'm, hey, I wanna see what they come up with for the Connect system. Great example is MPM, Microsoft Partner Network, has had the Connect tools at almost the 10 years that I've attended, they've had some version that's out there, and every year I go in as I register for that event, I fill out my profile, I make myself searchable in the database, I then start combing through all the people that are registered, and they don't make a good distinction between those that were registered in years past that aren't yet registered, that aren't attending this year, but I would then find people and I'm like, hey, would love to connect with your company, learn more, this is what I do, if you think it makes sense, I've never had any success whatsoever through that tool, and it's almost like, I'm in a lot of LinkedIn messages where all of the people that reach out to connect with me, don't look at my profile, don't look at what I do, they're selling outsourced engineering services or lead gen solutions, and it's spammed through that, and so how are you gonna cut through that clutter and offer something that is gonna make up for the lack of in-person connections? Anyway, I'm interested to see what they come up with. Yeah, and I think that I'm not getting down on the charging of the event, I guess what I'm looking at is how people will perceive the value add of paying for an event now, if it's virtual, because some folks will just be like, hey, is it really worth it? I mean, they don't have to travel, they don't have to make that commitment, so is it really worth it? I don't know, I'm hoping that something works out because that's how these companies make money. I mean, you have to pay for this hosting, you have to pay for the ability for 10,000 people to come together at a single virtual place, you have to, there's costs involved. So, look, I'll make a prediction that I think that if these conferences offer more by way of content and some connections type stuff going on, that you're gonna see a decrease in the numbers of people physically going to these events, however, I don't think like an event like Inspire will decrease at all, I don't think at all because it's a very different event. Build, it could impact that. I think there's less of a need, plus you're, let's be honest, you're predominantly that conferences attended by introverts, so given the option of getting the same content with that crowd, why would you leave the security of home? Right, you're right. But for the rest of us, I think that a lot of other conferences, we're gonna see a decreased number. So that, but with that, my prediction is that the people that do attend will be much more partner collaboration focused because there's less of a reason to be there for the content and it's more they're there with intent around connecting with people, meeting and doing business. So I mean, I could see an event like Ignite, the numbers drop down and yet the people that are there spend less time in sessions and more time in the expo hall. I agree with that. I've been, interesting. I've been there, I think a total of four tech kids, two in the States, two in Europe and what I did the whole time was I was the boob babe. I was a volunteer. How was the boob babe? I was a boob babe, I boasted in the MVP booth. I just stood there with a bright smiley face and said, hi, I'm an MVP. But nice thing about that and this kind of goes with a lot of what you all have been discussing there. While I never made it to a session really, I learned an awful lot. You see, here's the other MVP booth it's just a magnet for everybody. MVP speakers, Microsoft people, there was always kind of a lounge area around and so people could sit and basically all you have to do is you find the speaker and go up and ask him how'd your session go and you'd get the whole session. Yeah, just sit right there, you're on one. Can I just say that let's, for the politically correct folks out there that don't like the phrase boob babe and we all know what you're talking about. I'm not beating up on, I'm just cutting this off because I will hear from some people around it. But the booth staff side of it is, there you go, booth engineers. But it's enough of the, I've been to plenty of those conferences too where I've been chained to the booth and I think, wow, it's been really kind of limited my experience. Now that I've been over the last 20 years to hundreds of events and I see now more and more that I pretty much live in the expo hall at these events anyway, I don't leave. So it is some of the best experiences and conversations at those booths. They're having a way. So, yeah. Yeah, and I just gotta say, I'm really glad that Mr. Sean decided to join us with one minute left, three minutes left in the show. May the fourth be with you guys. Sean. I know, dumpster fire 2020, I love it. Yeah, I got the timing wrong. I was thinking noon and nope, yeah. So I had to reboot my system and my outlook reminder didn't pop up as expected because outlook was not open. It has to be open to remind me. Yep, there you go. Yeah, that's the downside. You missed our demos, Christian and I had great demos. Yeah, we did demos. It's pastic demos. Really? Yeah, it didn't work out so great. Oh, come on, they were awesome. That was okay, yeah. What were you attempting to demonstrate? Oh, just I was describing, I was talking about some of the, you're controlling your workspace, your monitors. I didn't show like the alt tab between but I just did the screen splitting demo timeline. Yeah, the screen splitting, it wasn't acting the way that it normally does. I don't know why it didn't do what it was supposed to do but it mostly worked. Yeah, well, a sign of a true demo. Right. Demo demons come out and get shafted. And then as Ted points out, I was also singing some Disney. So, you know, you missed that. I was, I believe that was from Aladdin. I was singing, you know, I can show you the world. Isn't that, that's Aladdin, right? Yeah. Yeah. Yep. My two oldest kids came out, they were young when the movies came out. So that was one of the movies played four to six times per day. Yeah, at least it's not frozen. I've never seen Frozen, so. Oh, you. I have no need to and I have a grandson. So by the time I don't have any granddaughters that are going to be, I'm going to train my grandson to, you know, to abstain from all that. Bring the pain. Yeah. Well, we're at the, we're out of time here. So really appreciate everyone. I appreciate Sean last because he wasn't here. My apologies. But I'll be around this evening. And we'll be back around this evening at 6 p.m. Pacific. So that would be what, eight for you? 6 p.m. Pacific is actually nine. Oh, it's nine for you. 9 p.m. Eastern Standard Time. That's right, three Eastern. Yeah. See, that divider between Central and Eastern, where is the one? It's pretty close to Indianapolis or Indiana, Indiana, Ohio. Yeah, okay. We're really, we're up against the West end of the Eastern Standard Time zone. Okay. Alrighty then. So we'll see everybody back and we'll do that with APAC. I'm hoping, hopefully we'll get a couple of our Australian and New Zealand friends on MVPs on and join us and answer some questions from Downunda. Yeah, that would be cool. That would be great. All right, thank you gentlemen. Take it easy guys. Talk to you later. You bet. Hey Sean. Hello sir. Is it still frustrating when technology doesn't work? Work the way we want it to, yeah. Yeah, I'm sure there's just one toggle somewhere that I've got the wrong setting on and I've gone through. I mean, I've been meticulous going through, watching a couple of different videos. Here's how you go and set this up. I think what I need to do is like a, you'll get like Daryl Webster on a, and do a shared screen and say, look, here's my settings. He's like, ah, cause he'll pick it out. He's been playing with this. Of course I'm talking with other people that are using VMIX and some other, other one as well. So I might, I just don't want to go pay for something. Got OBS. Most stuff is working. It's a, everybody warned me. OBS is just the pain in the butt to set up, but once you have it, it's golden. It's fantastic. You were most of the way there, I say. I think so. I mean, it's, it's, here's the, the problem is that with Teams Up, it's not recognizing my camera on me. So, I mean, that's a problem. You know, and so if I have to add, like I could add myself if you saw in the screen off to the side, but it won't recognize through Teams and do the Brady Bunch thing. Oh. I just want it to do a screen share of all of us on it, but it's because it's using it. And if it's, for some reason it's utilizing that, you know, it's through this separate thing and I have to set up a second camera. I've got another webcam I have and then I've got my Lumix GH5. I'm like, happy to do that, but it's supposed to work. Sounds like an awful lot of stuff. Yeah. So hang on, I'm about to, I'm set up the live stream here. Let me get Hal on here. He's joining. Hey, Hal. Hey, Hal. So hang on, I'm going to set up the live stream here. I'm gonna get my office smelling nice. That's good, because the smell is important to video, to live streaming. Only when you're live streaming. Smell-O-Vision. Okay, gonna share that. We're about to go live. So no nudity, Sean. Come on. Sure thing. Butt cheeks in the wind. Let me do this. This is the title. All right, going live. It's happening. You can adjust this. I look so red, but part of the problem is I just, I'm walking so much outside. I'm not burned. It's just bad lighting. I don't have anything right on. It's all off to the side. That's part of it, so. Well, hey, so we're live streaming now. And while I'm getting the rest of this shared out, let me, there it is, kicking off that other it's live streaming in two locations on Facebook. Welcome to the second half, the back half of today's episode seven of the Microsoft, yeah, the back half. You thought I was gonna say something else. But this is, so early Tuesday morning for our friends around Asia Pacific and welcome. So this is for anybody that's watching this and we've got people that in the middle of the night, they're up there, they're working. And so we've had people dial into this thing and it's like two to four in the morning their time. So bless you for joining. But this is the ask me anything format. So feel free to join us to ask questions if you have questions around anything Microsoft related, Microsoft products and services, SharePoint teams, windows, office products, Azure stuff. We've fielded some Azure stuff. Yeah, we've done that. Yeah, so yeah. And we even get things right once in a while. Yeah, occasionally. We don't promise that, but we don't tell that. Yeah, so have things going. Hey, what's looking at your collection on the wall there behind you, Hal? Got some, some rifles. Oh yeah, those are just, some old stuff I've had. The one at the top is an old Mossberg 22 I've had since I was probably about 11, 12 years old. Oh, wow. The one in the middle isn't even right. It's a BB gun. It's a, oh, Daisy. Oh crap, the box is up there, but I can't see it. 922 or something like that. It's a, it's a, it's a, one of the old fashioned pump gun, single shot pump, a BB bullet gun. And the one on the bottom is a couple of years old. It's a Ruger 1022. One of those things that came about when I was, oh, what, I guess I was, do you think moving from junior high to high school, something like that? And this is something that I've always wanted. And some, I got one some, some couple of years back. Well, Hal, I'll be the first to say with that, that middle of the gun, just be careful. You'll shoot your eye out, rider. Oh, well, well, what I used to do with that is, is just, just prop up charcoal briquettes on top of the box or something like that. And just shoot them with that and watch the briquettes explode. Kind of like a clay engine. What we're doing now is I've gone down, there's a shooting range that's down south of Utah Lake, so it takes about 30 minutes to drive down there. And they basically went in, but with bulldozer they dug these channels and just dirt and rocks back in there. What I like to do is stop off at the gas station on the way down and buy a couple of six packs of whatever's cheapest, shake them up violently, put them out there. That's about the most fun for when you've got, when I've got like some nephews or some younger boys that go out with my boys now that they're older. It's one of the best things to shoot at. So good to have. Well, we've got a couple dozen people watching the live stream in a couple of different locations. So again, if anybody has any questions. May the force be with you. Yes, and that's right. Oh, geez, yeah. Let's see what happens. They tweaking the Star Wars people. So I have, I think I've got some Star Wars stuff up. I guess I should bring it, bring it out, hang on. So I have something Star Wars related with me. Nice. I like it. There, put it down below the camera. Hello, Chewy. Yeah. Chewy. This thing is. Everyone needs a Wookie. Yeah. I actually really liked the Chewbacca backpacks that have the same kind of fur. And one of my kids borrowed it. Haven't seen it since. But all right, see, anything unanswered from our session this morning. I think we covered most. I'm just looking to see if there's any other comments, questions that were posted. When I dropped in, you guys seemed like you had things well under control. Yeah, we started things off as, well, like I usually do, we started by just kind of fielding questions that were out there. Let me take a look at the Office 365 community page. And let's see. Looking to see if there's any, as per usual, there are questions that are posted to this page, which are like that nine part question we discussed last week, where the short answer is hire a consultant. Right. When your question has nine parts. I moved it. Oh, well. So somebody's asking, I have a question, is there a difference between using Office 365 online or have it installed on your computer? So that's a relatively easy question. Well, Office 365 is only online. So that you have the individual, the desktop applications for some of the applications within now re-branded Microsoft 365. So things like you could still download and use locally Outlook and Word and Excel, PowerPoint, the Teams has a desktop client. But just about everything else, or everything else is accessible through the browser and they live in the cloud. There's a click to run install, yeah. If you want client components, you can run the executable on your host system. Otherwise, you can make do with the web-based applications, which are pretty full-featured. Yep. And I, and somebody did answer, you know, it said, it's like, well, one of the great things about this and this is, it really is one of the powerful things that people that were used to be able to have the more robust version on the desktop. And that's really no longer true, that Microsoft certainly is investing in cloud first. And so you'll see the new features that go for the cloud version first and then they will, at some point, there'll be parity with the desktop. But there may be features that they go develop that are, you know, leverage the cloud and that just aren't possible in a desktop experience, not without an internet connection. If you think of anything of the, you know, the AI and machine learning related features, kind of the intelligence of a lot of these applications, you have to have the cloud connectivity. They just, those features just won't work without the connection. A lot of business intelligence stuff, too. Here is, so Andy has a question, is project, this one is, Sean, for you, is Project Cortex powered by the force? It's so light side or dark side. Oh, brother. It's these kinds of serious questions that, you know. These are serious questions, I, unfortunately, I don't, I don't know much about Project Cortex. I only know what McNulty's been peddling and that's not much. Sean, I think this might be a joke question, though. So we'll just, we'll hold it there, our answers until verify that. So, okay, here's a legitimate question. Thank you for nothing, Andy, from Susie's asking, is Office 365 A1 a free or unlimited, free license or unlimited for teachers and students? I don't know if I, I don't know on the licensing, I'm not a licensing expert. How are you thinking in your head that you don't know or you're saying no, it's not. I really don't know, again, that's licensing and that's a whole mystique unto itself. Yeah, for licensing, you have to have a graduate degree to understand it, specifically in product license, licensing. Legal degree wouldn't hurt either, yeah. One of the most interesting conversations or debates I witnessed was in a Microsoft office, three different groups trying to determine how to license a particular configuration and it was amazing, the back and forth and it is, it literally is like a lot of legal, excuse me, legal stuff, so. Well, so looking at the website around this, and again, there is the A1 free, no commitment. I don't know what the gating factor is on that. You get the office apps, all the services. I'm just looking to see, so you get Outlook for the web and a 50 gigabyte mailbox. So teams, all the products have come from that. Reading through some of the small print. Too familiar with the. You can connect that to, if your work has your exchange, you can connect that and leverage that. Yeah, I don't know, I believe the answer is yes. I don't know the limitations of that, yes. But per what you're seeing, you're saying the same thing I'm seeing there, Susie, it should all be available. So I don't know if there's anybody else that has worked with the education sector and can answer that question if we're incorrect on the A1 licenses. Looking at other questions here. Yeah, licensing very much is, it's a different beast entirely, too. Yeah, exactly, yeah. So it's almost unnerving having this ball of fur sitting right there, yeah. Be good, dear Wookie. Ah, all right. Any other questions that you guys have run into? Anything happen in your day today? No, probably the most eventful thing for us was we put up security cameras. Oh yeah, yeah, and I saw that people gave you a flak for that, like what are you doing? Are you one of these crazy people that you're warding off an invasion here? No, I'm, I picked these up around Christmas time last year and it was my intention to put them up last year, but I just got around to it now, last weekend. And we've got, I would say, I think we've got five cameras in the house. We've got five interior cameras and three exterior cameras. And they work pretty well. They're blink, blink video. Yeah, it went out after you mentioned it this morning, went and looked at it. They're pretty reasonably priced and you're not suckered into some other plan around it. It's just basically all intact on your Wi-Fi and accessible through your phone. Yeah, it really works well. In fact, the service is exposed so that you can get your videos out of it if you want. Todd Clint was kind enough to float me some PowerShell that he had managed to obtain and I'm trying to adapt that to build a Windows service right now so that I can offload the videos from the Amazon cloud to my own cloud. Keep track of things. Yeah, excellent. I'll make that available to anybody who wants it. Once I get it done, dogs are out. They are. Yeah, did you see him run by? Yeah. Yeah, the little one likes to run around and around and around here so you might see him. They just went for a walk, so they're riled up. They're riled up, yeah. They're like, I don't believe in dogs. All right, so we've got quite a few folks that are out watching through the two streams. If you do have any questions, if you'd like us to try and address, happy to do that. Yeah, so I'm kind of going through some of the old questions. Have either of you played with the office deployment tool to upgrade office? I have not. I have briefly. To the extent that I've used it to move between release channels, yes. Other than that, no. And I kind of quit using it for that one. I discovered there's a much cleaner, simpler, and easier way to do it through the registry. Yeah, you can switch any channel you want by just sticking the appropriate value into the appropriate key in the registry. Registry, I guess. So save those as little reg edits and basically you hit the reg edit and you launch your office application, you detail what to do and update it. It will go from monthly to semi-annual to insider, slow to insider, fast on-command. It's cute. So is that just a single computer at a time or are you able to go in and script something up to upgrade 500 computers at one time? I don't know. I never tried. I don't know 500 computers. I only got just a couple. But again, it's a registry edit so I assume that something like that would be deployable. Yeah, you can push that out through GPO or something. Group policy, I'm sorry. Let's see. Scroll in here. Still no official answer on Andy's question about Project Cortex. Let's see. I need to learn about that. Yeah, there's a few statements. I don't mean to sound like I'm not excited about it. I know we've talked about it in the past. My feeling on it is until there's something I can get my hands on, what's the point of going and digging into it deeply? It's something that has some pretty exciting stuff. Really, for information management, knowledge management, owners within an organization to be able to go in and automate and have AI driven, creating these kind of a wiki pages around important topics and projects and just a lot of cool stuff that can be made possible. I'm really interested in understanding the curation process, the management of that, what that'll look like, how much fine-tuning and learning it needs to do before it really starts performing well. Yeah, little things like that that, again, they've got a very limited pilot right now. So if you are not reading much around Project Cortex, I mean, there's a bunch of people talking about it. But I would argue most of those people have not seen it. So I'm just kind of holding my breath waiting for that. There. Switching between Office 365 for Business Insider and Insider Fast without reinstalling. Link is in the chat. Okay, let me add that. I see that. Add that a couple of locations here. Good find, Hal. Excellent. The author's a little friend. Oh, really? Yep. All right, well, while we're waiting to see if there's any other product questions, oh, sorry, Hal, you had comment? I'm just going to say howtooutlook.com. Robert Sparnage, Rody, he goes by and he answers for us. He is one of the few Outlook MVPs remaining. It's down to like four of us now. Robert, Dermitri Stavchenko, Diane Koremsky and me. There's a Basil, I think, I forget what he's, Kyle something, there's one more that's Russian. That's it. So you guys are the Elimo, huh? Yes, that's his name, pretty much. Yeah, it's what makes it hard to find somebody. Like I go in on the MVP page and search under Office Apps and Services for Outlook and it pulls up 115 results. And so it's, unless they specifically add in to their profile, there's not even a place to do that in the profile anymore, which is unfortunate. I mean, they're keeping it to the award categories. There should be the ability to add in like top three products or something, I don't know, or as many as you want. To specialize, just from a search standpoint. Yeah, I was asking, like I was talking with a Microsoft person trying to identify who are the Microsoft project MVPs. So I don't know any of them. So I joined the first call and I was able to identify five or six people from that call, but only because they self-identified as project MVPs. And so there's otherwise there's no way to really find that. That would be, I guess I could go into User Voice and say, please update the MVP profiles. That'll happen. Project MVPs. Same bucket as us, Office Apps and Services. Well, I'm gonna try to play for all of them too. That's Excel PowerPoint. Name recognition will get you some place if you're Bill Gellin or Stoda Steve Rinsberg or Diane Peremsky, but that's about it. Famous ice skaters, is that who those were? I don't, yeah. No, you know them. I couldn't add now, I could not add that Osdus a little too. Hey, I was gonna ask the question. So I've got a blog post earlier this month. There's an article that came across about a week and a half ago about how much automation is too much automation? In what context? Exactly. Right. Letting you self-define that. It's all ball bearings these days. 220, 221, whatever it takes, I know. Yeah. I was kind of reflecting on how much time do we spend trying to make our productivity tools work? And is that how we're spending most of our time adjusting knobs and toggles to get everything working right? Or are we actually leveraging that technology? That was one of the, it's something, Sean, you and I talked about in the past in the SharePoint world and it used to be, I mean, when I kind of got into the community space in the end of 2009, and so much of the conversation was on the Dev and IT Pro side of the technology, and most of the topics, most that you go to any event, anybody was presenting on SharePoint, all the discussions were about standing up your server and keeping your servers running and optimized. And so it became about, it was nothing about actually using the software. Maintaining the plumbing. Right. And so that was one of the big shifts with the move towards the cloud of organizations where you're no longer needed to have people who are dedicated to keeping the infrastructure running and outsourcing more of that and outsourcing that now. A lot of folks just to Microsoft as part of Microsoft 365, and which allows you then to go in and master the software itself and apply it to your business. And so, I mean, in that context, I mean, how much automation is too much? How much is too much? Well, if it serves a purpose, I don't think it's too much. I mean, it depends. Good answer. Yeah. Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha. Oh boy. That's the best answer to every question that's up there. Yeah, I mean, I can only throw my hands up. You've gotta find the point at which something is doing what you want it to do and returns, you get the return on investment you expect. Well, if you're investing it, that's worth it. But how much do you put in above that? I don't know. You know, the problem with this, though, is it's, I think, here's kind of a parallel story. So it's not about automation specifically, but since we're sitting here waiting for questions, we got time for a story, right? Yeah, come on. Storytime. But I use a couple of presentations that I give, I use the example of when I started, I went to work for Pacific Bell. And my, literally my day one at Pack Bell, they handed me this massive three-ring binder. Oh boy. And so one of the things I was taking on a bunch of processes, a bunch of ownership of somebody who was retiring at the end of that week. So I had one week of overlap with this guy. And a really nice guy, but he was slightly checked out. And he, yeah, they were like, leave it his job of 40 years. His wife sold their house and were cashing out of the Bay Area and moving towards kids like out of state somewhere. Anyway, but so I'd go and ask a question. I'd say, yeah, I haven't tried it yet. I'd say, yeah, I'm trying to find this information. And he kept responding, it's like, look, it's in the binder. And I'd go and it'd be digging through. And if I found what looked like what he was talking about and there'd be some poorly organized process flow of something, I'd have tons of questions around that. I'd go back to him and he's like, yeah, it's in the binder. I'm like, I've got the process flows. I go, there's other notes around that. I'm like, why are the notes not with the process diagram? That doesn't make it. Anyway, so I'm digging through. My point here is I spent hours, a couple hours at least, trying to find some basic information, which you could have answered in about 10 minutes. And when I went back to him and I was pissed off and he was upset that I kept asking him these questions and apparently it was in the binder. But I just kind of planted myself down and be like, dude, you got to answer it. You got to help me out. And he then pointed to, we went to the diagram, he's flipping through, went, jumped right to it. But then he started unloading on me and just a bunch of other details around this process that weren't in the notes, that weren't in the diagram. And so I'm sitting there writing on it. The point, there's kind of two sides to this story, but the one is the fact that a lot of the tacit knowledge and stuff is usually not documented. We suck as human beings at documentation. That's one side. The other side is that, at what point, I waited way too long to not find the information I needed and then go force him to answer me in real time. And a lot of automation efforts, I think we spend far too long without looking at the trade-off of, what are we really trying to automate here? Because the, my philosophy on this is kind of the deming philosophy of that, sometimes the automation that's needed is a process, a shorter, sweeter, better one than what was there or throwing out two of three processes and having one longer, but streamlined process versus three conflicting for different areas. I just don't think, I know I'm waxing really philosophical here, but we spend so much time, you have to, before you go in and try to build a solution for anything, have a solid understanding of what it is you're trying to accomplish. And I think that's where a lot of automation efforts where we have a solution in search of a problem that we're trying to solve with a lot of it. Understand your domain. Understand your domain, what you're trying to accomplish, and- It's very important. Yeah, so, anywho, yeah. Storytelling time. Yeah. Looking at that dumpster fire. Yes. Yeah, for those that didn't see it this morning, it's the, yeah. The 20, the dumpster fire. Yeah. See what else? I did my midday walk with the dogs and they barked at a, there's a llama farm, not too far from here. So, some of the llamas. Those llamas. Yeah, brilliant. So, we got the walking path along the river that's just behind the pattern. They're brilliant. They set up a quarter coin operated food. So, you can go stick quarters in and get a cup of food and then feed their llamas. Nice. I bet that's nice. Go empty that once a week. There's always people over there. Out here by Picacho Peak, we got Rooster Cogburn's ostrich farm. You can go out and feed the ostriches. Oh, wow. And lorikeets and I don't know, it's a half dozen of the different animals. They've got out there that you can go feed. Well, I'm just in Anderson Township, Suburbia, I guess. Yeah, you city people. I would not call myself a city person. Not at all. As much as I love technology, I really prefer to be just out in the woods. Scrolling down, looking to see any other open questions. Anything else? Yeah, so if you have any questions, things that have been, you've been pondering about Office 365, Microsoft 365, so feel free to ask. Yeah, stump the chump. Oh, this one, is there an answer to this? How have you guys saw this question somebody posted yesterday? The organization has a hybrid setup. There's no further details on what, I was gonna say, there's no other details on what flavor of hybrid they have, but there are some. So, but they are, they says we have been having users randomly losing their team's calendars. We checked and it isn't anything to do with the team's calendar policies and overall Microsoft has it been helpful as to why it's happening. Any idea what to look into? Losing policies. So the question is it, like is it sporadic with the same specific users? Is it sometimes working and it's just kind of pervasive sporadic but pervasive across the entire organization? That's definitely more details needed. Yeah, I've not seen that specifically. But the other part of that is that, the flavor of hybrid, so where users mailboxes are hosted, is it hybrid? I'm assuming exchange hybrid. So it's exchange on-prem with the hybrid connector. I'm not even assuming exchange. I mean, you say hybrid. Yeah, that's that. With Office 365, that's the most, in my experience, the most common scenario is exchange on-prem. Most people, when they refer to hybrid, like in the SharePoint world, we would refer to, there's a half a dozen different flavors of that with SharePoint that's out there, but most people just don't look at it that way. Probably the most difficult, because it's typical, I think the average SharePoint customer has 2.5 versions of SharePoint out there. So it's SharePoint online, and one or two other versions of SharePoint on-prem. Yeah, it could be anything. I don't like to make assumptions. Yeah, it looks like this is ongoing. Yeah, got some advice on, because I would advise the same thing as look at the version of exchange, the on-prem exchange, make sure that it's one of the latest versions there, make sure that it's, there's not a conflict with the, when you have more points of failure with a system like this, check the version of exchange number one, like make sure that that connector reinstall pieces, make sure that that connection is clean on that updated version, make sure any updates are applied to that on-prem exchange. But I would start there. Yeah, I know that there are just going to be nuances to based on what version of exchange that you have. And so it's best to upgrade that to the latest on-prem version. All right, scroll back up, see if any other new questions have come in. No, just Andy making other Star Wars jokes. Thank you, sir. What's wrong with Star Wars jokes? I don't know. Are you watching any of the, were you ever a fan of like the Clone Wars stuff? Actually watching that now. I just saw it in like the news today about the final scene of the latest season of Clone Wars with Darth Vader. And yeah, it was enough that I've realized I haven't watched most of that. My boys were into that, but I'm a Lord of the Rings guy. Not so much of Star Wars. I'm a Lord of the Rings. I said I had to have the Mandalorian, so. Yeah, no, the Mandalorian was good. Not a big fan of the music for that show, but it was hot or cold on the music, but the show itself, I thought was fantastic. So I haven't actually seen that. You haven't seen the Mandalorian yet? Sir. And why is that? Baby Yoda. I've seen Baby Yoda on the interwebs. Yeah. But that's the only play that I've seen. That is the only play that came. Yeah, Baby Yoda's cutesy and stuff, but it's actually a really, really cool storyline. It's the spaghetti Western styling, and they did a really good job on it. So Jon Favreau gets my kudos. It's a great story. It sucks that we have to wait so long for season two. Yeah, I agree with you there. But yeah, definitely go check that out. If you can be bothered with it, yeah, go check that out. Normally I'm just a movie guy. Yeah, nah, it's good, especially with them all out, and being able to just kind of go from beginning to end of season one, it'll be worth your while to see it. So they did a good job, except with the music. So what's the deal with the music? It's all right, most of it. So it's not Jon Williams, and they were trying to go, so they were trying to do that kind of, spaghetti Western type thing, but with a modern, space age kind of feeling. And also to try and make it so it feels more like a... They get a high school band or something to do with it. Oh no, no, it's not that. Yeah, just sometimes it's just so corny, sappy, big. It doesn't have the, I get what they're trying to do and make it, by having it a little more, sometimes a little more light-hearted, but modern, but still have that kind of Western feel to it. It just, it misses big time. Like there's one scene where he's on this planet, he's made this friend, this little guy, and they're going out to find track, those that kidnapped Baby Yoda, and they're on these pig lizard, which is a complete rip-off of Galaxy Quest, by the way. But they're riding out over the desert terrain, and the music that plays at that moment, it's just awful, it's just awful. And in my view, detracts from the show. And it's not all the time, it's really only a handful of episodes where it's enough that my little bit of bleeding in the ears from it. No, it's, I think I'm the only person that's making a big deal out of it. Sean, as you know, I'm big on music, and it bothers me. So who did the music for it? Are you asking me to go and Google something for you, Sean? Yes. Right, I'll look it up, just for you, who? I thought it might be, it's to be your tongue, but. Yeah, I know what I, here it is, it's Ludwig Goransson. Aren't you glad you knew that now? So he's won Oscars and Grammys, and he did it, and I don't care, I'm not impressed by it. So, suck it, Oscar and Grammy winner. Peace. Yeah, again, a lot of it, it's pretty good and it's very fitting. It just sometimes, it just, he goes off and it's almost like a 70s sitcom type thing, it just. Too much. Yeah. All right. Did you not see my post the other day about, you know, let me Google that for you? What is it? Let me Google that for you, is the modern day equivalent to have you try turning it off and on again? It's kind of the same thing. Yep. No other questions posted. People are being shy today, kind of handful of people watching, got a dozen people watching. Things can't be going that well. And. No, it can't be. Everyone's got something going on. Yeah. What else is going on? We've got a lot of huge events that are coming up. We've got GlobalCon 2 happening. So a lot of teams related stuff. You've got the commsverse thing happening. What is that? Commsverse is. Commsverse? Yeah, it is. So another, they're all free. You've got Build this month. No. You guys registered for that? Yep. Well, yes and no. I did not. It's free. Why would you not register? I didn't know it was free. You could, you can register and have that playing while the Mandalorian is playing. Kill two birds with one stone. Yeah, what I've got to do is re-register because it, it asks you and they've been doing that a lot. You know, if you want to buy Microsoft account or a working school account or whatever when you want to register. And if you happen to have been using one of your user accounts, in this case it's my outlook.com because I was in doing some stuff that I needed that for was just the last thing the browser had in its cache. You know, when I go clicking on through everything and I get an email through my main email at live.com and say, oh, by the way, you're registered at the outlook.com and it's like, no, that's not what I wanted for Christ's sake. That's how Microsoft Teams is. Yeah, Microsoft Teams is a tech community is like that. Yeah. Yeah, so I canceled the registration. I canceled it. Yeah, okay. I'll cancel it. I can go back in and be, no, now it thinks because I used my live account as the response address for the first login that I've canceled, they can't use that one again, so. Yeah. I wish they would start with live account. Which one? So riddle me this. What is the point of build if it's virtual? What is the point of inspire if it's virtual or of ignite? I mean, I seem to recall most people going to build it was about getting some hardware out of that. Wasn't there a focus on hardware? Well, yeah, it's all the developer stuff and so there's very hardware centric, but getting a device, getting something out of it. Having never attended, I don't know. Yeah, me either. Yeah. Have you been to Inspire? That's another one I haven't been to. I went to the last 10. This was gonna be my 11th year in a row. Yeah. And you, you were to TechEd Slash Ignite, how did they compare? Many, it's essentially the same thing. Yeah, I've been to, like you mentioned this morning, I've been to, I don't know how many TechEd's, four or five in the US, two or three international ones. So I've been in Australia, New Zealand and some of the European ones, like the last one I was at, the last one that was held in Berlin. So it was a while back of TechEd. That was one of my favorites for TechEd. Yeah. I went to TechEd back in 2000. Wow. Ancient history TechEd. Like it was down of New Orleans and... Was that the one Durand Durand played at? Or was that, that was Inspire in New Orleans. Anyway, the partner cards. Yeah. I seem to recall Steve Winwood playing at one of them. Wow. Yeah. Cheapers. I haven't gone to TechEd since then. He's that higher love guy, right? Yeah, he is. I hated that song. As a teenager. Yeah. It was too top 40 for me. For those that don't know, my music tastes, I'm pretty particular. It's not angry enough. It's a lot within it. Yeah, there's certain things that I like, but... Yeah, with that going on, it's, yeah, we were talking about that this morning as well. It's, what is the value of build? Besides, like the swag or whatever they gave you, other hardware and stuff around that. Yeah, it's the big question about if we see a major shift and these online events, the hard part to this is that they need to figure out how people are gonna interact, how we're gonna make connections and have side conversations around that. The least interesting thing about most of these events is the content, the sessions. Yeah. The value is in the networking. People wanna get together. Yeah, yeah. But now I was gonna say that other, yeah, the online stuff coming up though, so we have, so the SharePoint conference is pushed back to next year, the physical conference, but they're combined with the community folks in the West Coast that helped put on a couple of the SoCal SharePoint Saturday events, so Joel and Dave and team, and so they're doing, what is it called again? I don't have it open in front of me. Virtual, SPC or something. It's the, yeah, the, but anyway, so that event is going on. You're gonna see a lot more press around that. That's happening at the end of this month. That's the 26th, the 27th, or 27th and 28th. Yeah, I'm pulling it up right now. It is the 27th and 28th, Wednesday and Thursday. Microsoft 365 Virtual Marathon. The Virtual Marathon, thank you. So that's going on this month. You've got, so build the marathon happening after that. You have then GlobalCon 2 happening in early June, and then this commsverse is happening, which is all teams focused, is happening in July. And so all of these events, you go in, and if you miss one, don't worry. There's like half a dozen more, back to back to back to back. Galactic Collaboration Summit. And there's the Galactic Collaboration Summit, which is the online version of the European Collab Summit, which got pushed back to, what are they, September, October? I believe September. Yeah, yeah, I was supposed to, I was presenting there in June, and I don't know if I'm gonna make it for the fall. It was just a lot going on. But a lot of opportunities. Rackley punted back to the end of September as well. Okay, yeah, I remember his. So that's still, if you are salivating for an in-person event, so you have that North American Collab Summit that's happening in, what's it to, Branson, Missouri? Yes, sir. And it's a great location. It's a fantastic location. It's a neat place. Unless you're in the Western US and have to fly to Missouri from the West, it's a little bit easier to get there from the East. It's like a 10 and a half hour drive for me. That's all? Yeah. That's a long time in the car. I know. Hey, you're talking to somebody. I would drive to the Seattle Summit from here. That's 14 hours. I do it for Mark because I love him. I've always supported Mark and I will continue to support Mark until the day he dies. It's a great event. I think there for the, it's a great location out in the middle of the country. If you're looking for a place, I mean, to go to a public event and be sequestered into a spot where you're away from the massive cities, it's a good place to be. Branson has zip lining and all sorts of stuff. It's like Vegas, old Vegas, kind of. No, it was, you know what it was like because I got there in the evening and nobody was really down in the walkway down at the restaurants and stores. It's kind of close. But the music was being piped through. It's like, it felt like end of the day at Disneyland just as they're trying to shuffle everybody out as they close. The music is going, you smell popcorn and something sweet in the air. It is really nice. Then there's a bass fishing store. Yeah, true. Lots of good stuff. It's a great event. So, back. Where did I put it? Oh. I was wearing the hat all day. Oh, I left it upstairs. It's an underserved community. Yeah. Yeah, definitely go take a look at that. But otherwise, you have a lot of online options available to you. And then of course, we will continue for as long as this quarantine period is underway somewhere in the world. We'll be here every Monday. We will. Most likely. Probably. All right. Play Team Fortress 2. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, we'll see. I got some stuff to do this evening, whether that'll happen or not. But it has been fun. I've had two of my boys jumping on as a party. We were talking about this last week. You know, they'd go in and it's different when you've got your friends in on games like that and going kind of gang up. Oh, yeah. Makes all the difference. Yeah. If people that don't know what we're talking about, Team Fortress 2, TF2, it's a lot of fun. Available out on Steam. Yep. Get on the Discord channel. Get your game up. Yeah, I need Microsoft to buy Steam so I can get a dual MVP in Steam and then Office Apps and services. Wow, that would be incredible. We're talking the stuff of dreams here. Yeah. Stardust. You know, one of the coolest things, I think we've talked about this in the past, maybe not part of this, but I went to an event where a couple, it was around virtual and augmented reality and there was a bunch of, so Utah has a ton of Fintech and Blockchain and ARVR vendors. Those three areas, you look at the makeup of the startups and they're heavily in those three areas and mostly in Fintech number one, big number one. So I went to this thing. You had two or three companies that were kind of showcasing their products and one of them had an educational services solution a VR solution. So it was true, VR, go and build it like virtual classroom, you're sitting in auditorium and so demonstrating this whole thing, got to go down and do it and walk around with it and they had somebody who was across town, the other side of Salt Lake City that was presenting some things and so one of the questions, I said, look, I was there with Noah Sparks who is of course very bullish on VR AR technology, just very passionate about that stuff and I'm just like, you know, I think it's so far off from being usable technology for most of us and he was the owner of this one, this company that demoed this technologies is actually this is we're selling it, we're doing it, we're making money today off this. It's profitable product. Here's what we do and I'm like, okay, yeah, but I have to have all the gear to be able to do it. He's like, for the 3D experience, you say you have to have the device but they have everything works in a 2D environment and so with your mouse and keyboard and looking at your 2D screen and going into these environments and being able to access resources, do everything you could do all of that today, you don't need to have any of that. It's enhanced by the rest of that experience and he used the example of in his demo, like a lecture that was prerecorded so the professor's just, you can go stand and walk around the professor while the professor's talking, it goes a prerecorded VR experience but the demo was of looking at and dissecting a human heart and so it was animated around it so going up this thing and having it beat and stop and then it splits apart and they're talking about the difference and building all of that is pretty incredible to have that kind of in-depth experience but I'm like, what does it cost to do this? He's like, yeah, it costs $5 on Steam. So I could pay $5, download one of your templates, add in my 2D content because obviously building a 3D model of a heart, there's some work that's involved with that. Probably some PowerShell that'll do it, Brian Jacket will tell him, PowerShell can do it. But PowerShell makes him a better person, Sean. But the... Yes indeed. But $5, that's it, to go in and to get access to a bunch of out-of-the-box templates, add all of your content into it, record yourself narrating through this stuff and make it available to the world with anybody that has Steam can go and consume that training material. I didn't realize that it was at that point and so I was pretty impressed by that. Yeah, it's come a long way. I mean, people still say they're looking for the killer app. VR needs a killer app but it has made quite a bit of progress and there's a lot you can do with it. So I know we talked about this, I want to say we were out in Seattle. We talked about it in Summit last year. I think it was the SharePoint Fest, you and I, you had your, you were like playing around with somebody. That's right, yeah, yeah. It was SharePoint Fest, Seattle, yeah. Yeah, and we were talking about it and... It was back in those days when we used to go to events. Whatever happened to that? Yeah, no, it's some cool stuff, but yeah, obviously I'm, it's not a surprise the games, the gaming world went there first. Yeah. There's another industry that's rapidly trying to go and now has offerings into it. We won't discuss that, but... True, and it pushes the boundaries, technology. Yeah, yeah. All right, well, we are out of time. And so thank you to Sean and Hal for joining. It was a quieter evening here, but we'll be back again next week. Yep. And we're so close on getting the teams up and running. Man, OBS is a pain in the butt. It'll be, you'll get there. Yeah, we'll get there. It was working. Well, yeah, it's working as long as I accept with teams getting the video to work properly. Right. So we'll get there though. So anyway, well, so yeah, just watch for that change, both of you, that could happen for next week where I'll resend the invite out for the teams for the panel. Gotcha. All right, well, thanks everybody. And we'll have the recording will be up in the next day. And I'll also have the summary with jump links to each of the topics covered. And that'll be posted out to the collab talk YouTube page. And so you can find it at YouTube slash C slash collab talk. And of course, I'll post the recording once it's available in the blog post up within my page as well as in the Office 365 community. And with that, Thanks for putting this together. Yep. Thanks a lot for joining. And hold your questions till next week. All right. Peace out guys. I'll talk to you later. Bye. Take care.