 Thank you for giving us that detail in about yourself and helping us understand your background. So pretty experience in the software that's always valid and needed within our groups for sure. Cool. So within this week, this is kind of more of a formal conversation, wanting to get updates from everyone, how they're doing, you know, things they're seeing in space. I wanted this to be less formal than we have before going over specific agendas and ad hoc updates within the other groups for say, for Steve Elliott's group within the interoperability group. I know they had their first meeting this past Monday for the first time in about a month or two. He hasn't been able to really get the group together as much so it's been very unfortunate. That was just them catching up with how everyone's doing as well. No real updates on the semantic, so what their main goal is in that group is to help create semantic domain interoperability plug-ins so that people can be able to exchange data across many different data silos, borders, systems, servers, virtual machines, etc. So they're still working on that and looking to improve on the solution. Heesh was scheduled to present the last time we had a meeting as well as today on the updates of the Payor subgroup. He though could not make it today so he sent his regrets on their use case, but hopefully in the next couple sessions we'll be able to show his progress. And within Denise, pretty much they created an EHR, kind of blockchain based EHR system for patient directory information. He's been looking to get external buy-in from sponsors from different companies, sorry, different organizations mostly in the EU to help sponsor his project. And so that's his current update of just being able to look for someone who would want to be able to pay for his pilot PSC and to get it externalized. It's based on hyperledger fabric and it's specifically exchanging information related to patient claims and the process they go through a care facility. So those are the updates within the other subgroups. We do have John Hatchel here who is looking to take on to lead the use case development subgroup and it's been my fault that we haven't got him properly organized into it so that is my all my play to be able to accomplish and help him get him organized into that and to talk with Marta and getting the proper sign-on and everything within the hyperledger sake so we can add into the group. And so I don't have to work on that. WMS Day Up to Date with Roberts Newsletter, though Roberts Newsletter now is taking less of a turn into blockchain and healthcare and going into all things kind of more crypto, philosophical within the healthcare tech space, but Ray Dalgram's Health on Chain podcast still has a ton of great guests on so I highly encourage you all joining on and searching those different newsletter and podcasts to stay up to date with with current news and trends. I have these grand opportunities on here but doesn't seem as relevant for everyone in the group. I just want to say from my experience recently I joined the humanity team on November 11 or sorry November 23rd and part of my duty within within Humana is to just help the CIOs and the CIO segment groups within the company understand how they can use emerging technology trends systems whatever it is and also helping to organize and create new concepts for this one healthcare business network or blockchain business network called the Synaptic Health Alliance. The Synaptic Health Alliance at first has had this one product called Provider Data Exchange where they've partnered with in the United States some other insurance providers such as Etna, United Health Group, Quest Diagnostics and some others and the Provider Data Exchange Network is able to allow all the different call centers that are part of these six or seven members, multi plans also part of it as well and instead of having Humana make a calls out to all of the providers that are part of their network they distribute it equally between all the participants and so there's less call burden for one call center organization they're able to cut costs and and cut the amount of time and pressure that each center has to do to make a call and they distribute across Quest Etna all the other partners and then they they use kind of automated smart contract script to automate and verify whether that call actually happened and if it took in the right price etc so a lot of cool claims adjudication and call center adjudication that goes on with that use case but and actually so it took a while for that to get off and running and to be a fully fledged system because they were using Quorum as Quorum's blockchain at first and that was when Optum was doing most of the product program project management of the solution. Now at Humana we're pretty much the we have stakeholders that meet in monthly meetings quarterly meetings but the Humana team is the one that's building the whole solution and it's now based on Kaleido and Kaleido is a blockchain managed service provider that is that was actually in the consensus network and then they spun off and they now support all blockchain DLTs from Ethereum to Quorta to Hyperledger Fabric and even SolTooth as well but they're mostly seeing adoption within Quorta Fabric and Ethereum Public and Private so and Ethereum Private is based on Quorum now though they do not have many excuse me they do not have many clients that are using Quorum at the moment I just dropped a very important piece here we go and so yeah everything's based on Kaleido and it's been fun to see the progress and provider data exchange which is the product that is the first product that is Synaptic Health Alliance will be released in the middle of January and so I hope in the future in February we might get a presentation of PDX and show how and why that that actually became a cool thing and and that people are actually using it so it's probably the largest and first used big blockchain solution within major partners in healthcare in the U.S. and I'm probably part of the team but also I know there's a lot of criticism with how long it took to get the solution because it was a long problem and took probably way too long to name whatever expected so but yeah hope to get them on but we also do have a presentation on January 20th from a company called Provisci they've actually created a verifiable credential or at least they create a framework for it they're hoping to get adopted the the main teams based out of Arizona and I think they've started Arizona in the United States and I believe they're trying to get it adopted within the local government in local municipalities for COVID tracking tracing but they're looking to do it nationally and it's it's very similar to Eric I'm sure you're familiar with health pass and what other IBM's health pass offering and what other people are doing in the space but but yeah they're going to give us a presentation on the 20th of January as of right now I'm thinking of canceling our session on January 6th because that's the day I'm actually moving but if Erica or someone else could take the reins and just guide a session like this I'm happy to give out the control and give the claim host to anyone and you can record the session and just take notes but uh but yeah I will not be able to make it on the 6th of January but I'll feel free to make it an open forum for anyone else to join those are all my kind of updates and I love to talk about you know other things I'm seeing in the space so like I know the the health utility network too is actually they've declared their right now in negotiations of declaring a winner sometime soon of who's going to be their main blockchain provider and services uh and I know it was between my old employer Consensus Health R3 Corda IBM and some others but uh that decision is going to be coming around soon and the health utility network's looking to work on a lot of different cases and that's interesting I can see only the thing of relevance is pharma ledger and some of the different use cases they're putting together pharma ledger is a group within the EU a lot of pharmaceutical companies who have come together to solve specific problems of need for industry and uh I heard around the grapevines they're actually looking to one of their um use cases is going to be COVID ID vaccination tracking um in the US first in the Americas first before the EU as they believe that they might be able to have a better a broader impact than the Americas then the EU um but there's tons of use cases there I could I could go down the rabbit hole if anyone wants to dive into that more but but yeah those are those are things of interest and I'm I'm actually happy to hear other people's opinion and what they think about these things and and other things they've seen in the space that maybe I'm not aware of oh hey Mike I was just gonna say that's super exciting news about the synaptic health and humana um I worked on the health utility network for a while I think I told you um and yeah it's so hard to get something like done off the ground and even though they've been around forever um it's good to hear it's an optics been around forever it's good to hear that something's finally gonna be used here really soon I can't wait to see how that all turns out um and yeah I think the health utility network I'm pretty sure I don't know what they're called now but I know that IBM's kind of stepped away from it and just they're like founding members but they're not providing any kind of conveyor or any kind of blockchain platform as far as I know but it'll be interesting to see what they end up using because I you know when I was working on it we were totally using um you know IBM was going to be the conveyor so I don't I don't know yeah it's all really exciting thanks for that update I didn't know about any of that so um I've been kind of out of the loop for a while so yeah thank you for all that that's super exciting yeah no I think they were also leaning towards so when I was on consensus I don't know what I mean what's going on now but they were leaning towards collado because collado has the ability to use fabric corda and if you're in public and private whether it's quorum or whatever else and uh because they've had experience and exposure in building things for things like humana and others right I think that maybe helping that might help their credentials and their connection with consensus health it was a specific uh agreement in place that um that may be able to bring in specific healthcare expertise so I don't know it would be really interesting to see how it goes but yeah they're deciding on that coming this or next week so probably this week I think yeah nice that that's interesting Mike uh you know let let me tell you what is going on here in Mexico you know uh we are uh you know we have a I believe the the rate of deaths uh from COVID it's uh it's uh terrible here it's around 9 percent 10 percent from the uh infected uh people so one of the things just a little background information I'm part of a committee in Mexico who is an NGO it's a it's an IT NGO where participate almost all the IT companies like Microsoft, Amazon, Facebook a lot of worldwide companies and local companies right uh one of the purpose of this organization is that to bring the best practices to to the industries, governments, etc actually we have a lot of groups like like here in hyperledia for any specific situation that the for example the government needs like uh uh taxes we we create as a group the first electronic invoice I don't know 10 years ago and and we set all the rules and and and and this this organization is uh it's a very good in terms of how proceed and and to help uh to the government take action in in in a different uh uh topics right and right now we are in the group that the the name is uh Digital Helker which uh basically we are reviewing all the rules and all the laws that already are in place and some of them has been uh not touched in maybe five or some of them 10 years right so one of the goals that we have for 2021 is to create that kind of best practices uh talk with the government and say you know the uh new technologies like blockchain has a uh an incredible uh benefits for the healthcare portion of the of the Mexican healthcare system and and and that's why I'm very interesting for example what you are doing in other countries like in us and because one of the things is that it's supposed that we are going to receive the first uh vaccines in the third week of uh of December from Pfizer and of course as you may know uh they they have below I don't know 80 80 grades Celsius so there is a lot of infrastructure that the healthcare system has to put in place but the problem is that and one of the problems that we are trying to to to solve or at least to focus on is how we are going to do or perform the the vaccine uh deployment because some of them has two two times uh of uh applications right uh every 21 year 21 days so uh I am very interesting how the US are handling this type of uh tracking because there is a lot of things that has to put in place because there is a lot of actually uh waste if uh the the the handling of these new vaccines are not handling very well so basically this is one of the problems the main problems that we are trying to figure out uh just a scenario in Mexico we don't have a huge uh technology system uh in our uh healthcare system by the way uh actually let me tell you that uh I did a research personally and I find out that uh for the most important systems we have uh a private system and a government system right the government system attends around 30 million of population Mexicans in Mexico and uh the other the rest doesn't have uh any any uh kind of uh let's say insurance or something like that and some of them 10 percent goes to the private hospitals the problem is that there is no link and there is no uh systems uh uh very well designed in in both sides even private and public sector uh healthcare organizations so we have a challenge because almost all the things uh came into the paper or a silos for systems but at the same time it's a good uh opportunity to create something that we can uh create a uh an interoperability system between the healthcare system so so there's a lot of uh opportunities here but the first uh and the main uh let's say problem that we have to solve is how we are going to apply the COVID-19 vaccine in the next uh months the idea is that uh uh at the end of 2021 at least 30 million of uh of citizens are going to be uh apply uh with the with the vaccine so so if you have any comments uh or or advices you guys uh about where I can find out some of the ideas that came into other countries it would be great because it it could be a uh a great asset for us to figure out how we are going to handle this anything from anyone I know personally in in the United States that we're facing very similar circumstances so we had Operation Warp Speed for uh in the United States to develop the vaccine and people got paid on those incentives to build the vaccine but there haven't been as many Operation Warp Speed foundations for the distribution of the vaccine and the the suppliers of it and there's not as many incentives right now in the United States for someone to they so there are incentives someone will charge a high markup to do the supply of the cold storage of the vaccine to make sure it's under 70 degrees Fahrenheit in transit to build the centers at university hospitals research centers and public hospitals private hospitals to do that they're up charging those the circumstances there's not much there are some federal funds going into those actions not as much but uh we are there is an incentive problem at the moment when it comes to the overall supply and distribution of trucks physical devices except people that are going into there and the other methods that we have done that are well though are are being able to uh open source the papers of research as much as possible and having them uh be accessed for free and not just in nature not just in land set but all across the board those papers are not just peer reviewed but they are also able to be accessed on all the different uh platforms and channels for knowledge and research I know it's just like a knowledge exchange knowledge management program but that has actually helped um vaccine specialists be able to review papers and review findings on different cases which has been huge and the benefit of that I'm not sure in particular how blockchain software technology really helps other than creating knowledge management exchange information blockchain doesn't help with the speed of this it helps with maybe verifying identity across different borders and that may help faster rather than having to have you know physical analysts and people always be at the the point of location for authentication verification and actually that is one of my biggest missions right now is is how do we make consent and identity access management for patients and within our network and outside of the human network um easily accessible and authenticated and having as much data and reporting information associated to that that wouldn't be compromisable or or be taken advantage of so those are all things that we are now I'm currently exploring a lot of it is proprietary so I can't share it today but um but I think the more you understand uh there's open source tools like key cloak that have all these um plugins and and forward rock as well and these identity access manager plugins that help you do a lot of different things from granting consent to allowing patients to own identity to having it stored on a phone to having it stored on different uh storing different attestation methods whether biometric or not those I think are the ways to help mitigate and slow and speed up the process there but that's only my experience I haven't seen it implemented in large institutions yet but I'm sure that's just because it's beyond my experience of the moment thank you very much Mike yeah it's a huge challenge I believe in for all the countries but uh I mean uh this is something that we are in and we have to resolve I don't know how but we we are gathering information about how to handle any other advice than someone else can mention anyone have other updates or challenges they're looking to kind of go through at the moment and maybe the group and some of our experiences or maybe something within blockchain or blockchain not technology or not blockchain technology can be irrelevant I don't know if it's a challenge Mike but um I was curious to get the group's thoughts on uh the announcement on a health lake yesterday by Amazon and just kind of you know you get you guys work more direct in a field than I do you know so I I'm just curious on kind of what what type of impact you think that's going to have um and you know where you know where where is that going to have the most utility is that going to be with larger enterprise uh type organizations or you know startup or you know what what have you um obviously I'm for for my own reasons I'm very curious about it um but just just interested to get everyone's thoughts on kind of the you know at least the the press release and you know what they're claiming is is is possible uh now through AWS now it's a very good question uh so I mentioned the health utility network as well so the Amazon health lake is very similar to what the health utility network and what Linux for health are looking to do as well so there's this group within I believe IBM's kind of orchestrated it all but they're creating a data lake of information that then could use all these different ways to plug it in and and incorporate the data information from that lake and then be associated to patient care and information so the information would just stay in the lake and then a multiple different identification authentication verification sources could be able to to go in there and to be able to verify across platforms so it has some mode of interoperability but obviously it's not fully interoperable and there's a central component where IBM or whoever runs or owns the majority of the data that is in that lake would then be able to charge and be granted payment for the access of the information from the lake um Amazon's been doing a lot of interesting things recently with the announcement of Amazon pharmacy and they're able to provide pharmaceutical goods at a small start a lower price and a lot of the larger competitors in the United States can I don't know if they've expanded pharmacy outside of the United States but it could be a that could be a possibility I have to double check on that but I'm actually familiar with a couple people that worked on this team called pill pack pill pack is a team that got acquired by Amazon and they've pretty much fueled the ability to have remote pharmacy delivering of drugs and meeting all the required standards in place for them to be able to to run this uh this offer and uh and yeah it's exciting stuff but I definitely see um health data patient data oriented lakes becoming a thing in the future and and making sure enough I don't know giving the ability so every id or any authentication method the method can be added into there as well as some people are looking to do self sovereign patient data lakes within this and and they're they're using they're trying to use the ethereum network and and the attestation of using a web 3 credential to then let you own the private keys and owed the data that's associated your private key out of the lake while also logging into web to authentication application methods just like username password login and what we call in the united states an mpi number which is a patient identification number that's unique and associated people rather than a social security number because a lot can be manipulated with a social security number within the united states so yes definitely see a lot of companies trying to create the same solution across uh across many different teams yeah to want you know the one thing that does concern me a little bit about it you know it it seems like there's like a mini gold rush going on right now for for patient data right because the market's supposed to balloon up to a hundred and fifty billion dollars what in the next you know five or seven hundred and fifty billion dollars whatever it is over the next five years right i forget what the the figures are with cagger but um you know and with all that focus on you know hey we we can create monetization through you know through through data or or some you know some touch point on data um you know it seems like a lot of things are being done in the name of patient care or in the name of of trying to to make you know healthcare better you know air fingers quote but at the at the same time you know it most of what i'm seeing at least are observing is is specifically you know around managing or monetizing that data in some in some aspect and not so much on streamlining care and taking the inefficiencies and adequacies out of out of the current healthcare environment so i i do get worried about that a little bit you know you know what you know when are we going to be able to take find some things that are going to be able to take the next step to to really you know impact care at a level where you know you're you're going to see you know a lot of the waste the you know the the fraudulence the the mismanagement kind of siphoned out of it as opposed to hey we're we're going to focus on the piece that you know is is a booming market you know and and grant it you know i know everybody's got a you know you you got to provide revenue at a certain point um but i you know i i'd like to see some more use cases that are a little bit more married married to both causes because it just seems like a lot of it is is very patient data centric and into um with the fire so fire systems are fast healthcare interoperability records uh connected into mobile applications and mobile devices uh the app and that has been tied to specifically the apple health kit where in apple health within your iphone if you intake and you record information that's associated to your steps your heart rate variability your oxygen variability methods and and all sorts of different information that then that information could be kept into a fire standard and then put into a health lake as well so that's where a lot of people are going to try and use these remote monitoring systems and make them not only um interact not only to a standard where everyone can access them from a specific lake but so that they could potentially be used by not just apple but maybe through android devices and and google phones and other things so uh so yeah that's part of the goal and part of the master plan with all of it but yeah it's i think it's really tough to to create a system where not every aspect of a record is paid on and it's the redefinition of that is the patient and you and i getting paid for holding and managing the information associated to us um and we can do that and i don't but i don't know if every day people or folks want to do that they'll probably pay for the convenience still of having a third party manage and and own and distribute records and information that's associated to care but there might be a time where that cost gets too high and people are going to fight back and say hey i mean if i have to own and manage my records so i save five hundred eight hundred thousand dollars a year on this i'm actually going to do that and the people that can create a way to make it easy for patients to be able to own manage handle their information and they may undercut that undercut that cost for all these other payer institutions that may be a solution but and that that's the only way i could see it as as being mitigated is when the cost is too high patients really fight back they want to take ownership of and they want to become their own data analyst with their own records that's and also that we have a way that we can uh make sure that those people are meeting regulation standards and not just making up health records out of the blue that's that's what you have to solve and i don't know how the perfect answer does that make sense yeah loud and clear yeah liya how's everything going hi mike sorry i've missed a couple of weeks i just had a meeting today and i just uh and it's been a bit yeah frantic the last few weeks so but i'm back on board so no worries no worries today we're just making it more of an informal session uh discussing all things across the board um what i'm sure updates we gave a lot of updates earlier about what's going on in the blockchain ecosystem world um right um paris blockchain weeks on today and tomorrow if anyone's interested in joining as well and i listened to robert miller's podcast with my friend tasha tasha's actually one of our advisors on our um on choir factors so that was it was excellent congratulations to him yeah was it rob or was it ray no robert oh robert oh yeah he did a podcast i guess for something else yeah but yeah yeah yeah he's a great speaker he was great inside he is very impressive so that was really good but yeah if you could tell us is there what what are some of the highlights from paris blockchain week uh are there anything that's um there's a lot on sort of defi and decentralized but they've got a couple of health care there was a there's one health care company called med wise who have a blockchain solution i i only got a little bit of it actually i only caught half of it but um it's i just heard you say it's very focused around patient data so that's that's a similar solution where they're connecting health care to um sort of patient records and stuff and and telemedicine using blockchain as well so they're starting to get on to the exchange of health records using that um so that's one of the highlights that they're also talking a bit more about smart contracts very banking focused but i think it's all very interesting i'm i'm finding it you know i used to get just you know solving some of the problems around different industries i think oh i just like listening to this so it's sort of worth tuning into but i think it's actually paid so you have to pay for it so that's the bad luck on that but anyway maybe get consensus there's quite a few consensus people on there might so it always is when it comes to blockchain yeah that's yeah yeah right i think they're actually supporting blockchain paris week so yeah i don't know if you know um but i did actually switch employers i'm no longer with consensus heading i saw that come up yes but it's still connected to them almost on a daily weekly basis so okay and you're still running this group mike yeah so so we're in this group so yeah great cool yeah is there a story to that you can tell us or oh yeah i know it's just i think i love everyone on the consensus health team loved doing all of that i just think that i had a better opportunity to be able to influence not just in blockchain technology but other means of technology for healthcare and life science at humana and humana's yes a u.s health insurance company what they're most known for but there's a lot of things attributed to the business like humana's creating their own pharmacy department they're creating consumer goods and products department they have their own kind of digital health analytics on and they're looking to get into more of supporting aspects of biogenomics and and remote monitoring tools so that patients and users can be able to use these things uh in their own settings and so there's there's a lot of different projects i can be able to do here and uh and yeah i think um i think it's helpful they're they may be winning this work within the health utility network um which is health utility network is supposed to be a blockchain consortium with both payers um providers and uh and a couple other non-profit organizations that will want to work on use cases across the board and and they may influence the decision making in that or not uh it just depends but they're deciding that winner within the health utility network within this week i believe and okay okay be interesting yeah not great yeah i've missed out on a couple of weeks so it's a bit of a shame but and okay i've been reading my minutes no worries no worries thank you for keeping up with us but uh yeah definitely enjoy it any other updates from anyone else uh i think we got some good discussion because uh and john thank you for bringing up that point and and Guillermo too for giving the the pov the point of view from uh from mexico that's very helpful i wish i had anything in more concretely uh for you to use as as benefit actually if you want to tell lia your your your problem she might have some uh experience from her eu and australian connections yeah uh yeah maybe you miss a little bit uh what i said but in mexico we're trying to create i'm part of an NGO who is an IT NGO who participates almost all the uh worldwide IT companies like IBM uh microsoft amazon etc and and the purpose of this group is to help the government and other industries with the best practices and the challenge that we have as you may know is Mexico is the number one rate of death uh deaths in in in the war so we have around one million and a half of infected people and we just reach uh 110 thousand deaths so the rate is very high you know like nine 10 percent and uh one of the things uh that we are trying to do is uh track and uh you know we are trying to figure out how with any uh any technology but specifically with blockchain we can track the application of the vaccines because it's supposed that the the first uh there are actually seven stages uh and it's based in in in the kind of people that uh it will be applied first and and the first the very first are you know all the doctors and all the nurses and all the healthcare uh personnel the next stage is for above uh i believe 80 years old and and and it's uh you know going down the goal is to in 2021 apply at least 30 million of vaccines and we are thinking about uh how we can uh track all the applications because it's it's not easy to to have a database with the names and the number of people who has been applied and and as you may know uh the the application we are going to apply the first state the Pfizer vaccine so that means that uh uh it's supposed that has uh special handling because has to be below 80 great sales use and you know there is a lot of things that we have to keep in mind but one of the things that we are looking for is ideas about how we can handle all the uh application for the populations here in in in in Mexico because uh we are uh a country with 120 million citizens and uh there is not too much uh technology into the healthcare systems and by the way i forgot to mention that the the the military is is going to receive the vaccines and and apply the vaccines it won't see that but the the the the army is is the one who is going to apply the vaccines you know and handle like i said their administer and do all the things but they're the the army is not prepared to to to perform that you know they they don't have uh uh systems and one of the things that we are trying to do is to give an advice about how we can handle this process sure so um thank you for that yeah that's a really incredibly difficult problem and it's actually something we're tackling at the moment in our startup so we're we're looking at um how we capture our vaccination record of vaccinations so through a vaccination certificate and i think you may have had a talk on immunity passports but we're looking specifically at vaccination certificates that our patients can then show have a documented proof but also as part of that as well as the scanning of medications to make sure that they're um legitimate medications as well so our app manages that as well so we've thought about these steps that are required and i think one of the first steps is being able to have that data available for a patient but then have that de-identified information available to the government to say okay this is also but not have all that that data on this is you know so-and-so person you know 83 years old not have those specific um data around the name of the patients but indeed in de-identified form and the idea is well about having a patient health record is so if those chronic disease patients um have other illnesses and so on that can be recorded on a system that could then be okay they're eligible for this this vaccination as part of their high risk group for example or they've got an oncology condition or something like that that then deems them to be the first candidate to to be um eligible for this now of course this is not going to be fail proof in the first stages of this but i think it's very important to have some type of record attached to an identity so having a person's identity um recorded on on an app or a device and then have a a vaccination certificate that links that patient to that that that record um with a QR code and then also being able to scan in medications along the drug supply chain so we actually in 2019 did a medication supply chain from France to Venezuela and we actually were able to record medications on that that will all be our MVPs that's all integrated as part of our system already so um i'm happy to talk about this more with you offline if you like get away when you can we love that presentation here too oh yes yes wow let's let's the heat is on all right sure sure but i yeah i'm very happy to to um talk you through how you could potentially um set up we could maybe think about doing a paper on that and how how you could present that to government around um what that would look like yeah i think this is a really important point as well and we we've focused a lot on yeah i i just put it into the chat yeah got it yeah no no it was about to tell you that uh i put it on on the chat uh my email just uh if you can send me an email we can catch up i don't know sure you are in europe right in france i'm in france yes that's right uh okay yeah we we can talk to each other and we can figure out if there is some opportunities that we can uh perform here yeah that'd be great okay i've got your details thank you that's great stuff thanks for coming the last minute to give us thank you thank you i was actually just talking to an investor in the us actually and um that was a very interesting conversation because they were they were like okay you're interested in work here and what's your what's your status what are you looking for at moin and i said money for benefit to develop my app so that's where we're at but um maybe we can all collaborate on this together come to the states i hear philadelphia is great this time of year my that sounds cold rise summer in australia exactly i wish i could visit my family in australia right now i mean i think the us can go to australia at the moment but uh i don't want to go on a plane or an airport hub that's how you really get covid is the hub it's not the plane itself it's just waiting for a flight for hours yeah well interestingly enough i got invited to mexico by my friend who had gone over there and um was saying that it's actually not too bad there i don't know where she's getting her news from but it's clearly not up to date so i'm sorry about that yeah no worries at all um but hey thank you for for hopping on with us uh anyone else any other updates you'd like to add to the group before we uh before we sign off all right well everyone thank you very much for the time meeting today for another healthcare general meeting uh we do have a planned session on december 23rd i know in the states though a lot of people are probably not going to be around due to um the christmas holiday so i probably want to cancel that and as of now i may cancel our session on january 6th that's because i'm moving into a house i'm going to not be a city person anymore i'm going to be a suburbanite and so i'm very disappointed in that not really i'm i actually made this decision so it's uh but yes so uh i may have uh erica or john actually lead that session on the 6th uh but yeah other than that um thank you everyone for the presentation today and uh if you don't see before the holiday of christmas thank you very much for uh for joining and have a also happy haka happy everything there's simply holidays going on at this time so um and i'm sure in other countries we're celebrating other means like uh happy to while it's just happening recently so um so yes everyone good day thank you for joining and we will talk soon thanks font thanks mike bye thank you mike thank you bye