 Did you watch the draft this weekend, my friend? I watched a little bit of it. The first, like, 10 picks of the draft, I was flipping back and forth between the Lightning game and the draft, so it's really cool what they do, just making it so glamorous. It's just, it's an episode in itself of the NFL draft. It's a really cool, all the things that they do for the players. Yeah, and then we were there in Kansas City. Kansas City has incredible host space. They crushed it. It was awesome. And then the tight end position was really interesting. I'm going to show you where some of these guys shook out since you saw a little bit of it. These are the tight ends taken in the draft. Now, we of course know that there is a kid named Baby Gronk on this list. But I'm wondering, is there, did he stick out to you? He ends up with the Raiders. What did you make of that? Yeah, he actually does stick out to me because of the name Baby Gronk, which is Michael Mayer, Notre Dame. I remember about three years ago, actually, I was hearing about him. Everyone was hitting me up like, yo, there's a guy in college right now at Notre Dame named Baby Gronk. He's playing just like you. And he was only a freshman. He went in. I think he was a true freshman. And he went in to Notre Dame and just made an impact like that. So I've actually heard about him three years ago. And now here comes, fast forward to three years later, he gets drafted to the Oakland, the Vegas Raiders under Josh McDaniels. So I think that's a great fit for him. Knowing that I was under Josh McDaniels for about 90% of my career when I was in New England, he was offensive coordinator there. So I think he's going to be very successful. I think he's kind of a two-way tight end. If he can block in the scheme for Josh McDaniels and their offense, I think he's going to do a good job, especially in the play-action part of the game. Yeah, they started calling him Kentucky Gronk because at his high school, he was so dominant and he was putting up all of the crazy numbers. And then when he went to Notre Dame, and he's the all-time leader in receptions by a tight end. And as he said, McDaniels has a beautiful history with tight ends shining and thriving. But those Darren Waller shoes, those are pretty big to fill, man. Yeah, that is some big shoes to fill. I believe that trade. When I saw Darren Waller go, I was kind of very surprised because I just know how much Josh McDaniels loves to use tight ends in his system. So I can't believe he made that trade, actually. But he actually went to my other coach, Brian Deba, with the New York Giants. And he loves to use tight ends even more. So watch, I say this, watch Darren Waller have a year this year. He's going to have a year. What does that mean? He always has a year, like he's going to take over. Like, he'll be the best tight end. Yeah, yeah, he's going to be up there this year. Deba is going to find a way to use him, utilize his skill set like no other. He's going to be all over the field, but he's going to have a year. I'm saying like a year where he has a year. A Pro Bowl year. Okay, but he's already had like a Pro Bowl year and all Pro Year. He's one of the best two tight ends. Yeah, the last two years, though, the last two years he's got a couple injuries and stuff. You know, he wasn't on top of his game, but this year I believe he's going to come back and he's going to be a Pro Bowl caliber type player. But Pro Bowl caliber player, but not break your single season touch to a record of 18. No, no, that's not going to get broke. That's not going to get broken, all right? I'm just making sure. Now you bring up Michael Mayer and I like that you pay attention to him because he went in the second round. And you know, you're there in Kansas City, you know what this is like and all these players, it's all about hope and celebrating and some of them slide out of the first round. It happens, it happened to you, right? You got taken 42nd overall to the Patriots and it ended up pretty well for you. You got to go and win a bunch of Super Bowls and you were in the right spot and you developed and evolved as a player. I probably wouldn't rewrite that history. What's the advice you would give to like the Michael Mayers, even the Bryan Branches, the Levises who sort of ended up going not where they thought they'd go but hopefully where they should be? Yes, I actually saw that. I noticed that Will Levis guy, he slipped out of the first round and went into the second round. And all these other guys that, you know, were hoping to be first rounders, went into the second round. Well, let me tell you this right now, you get the same exact opportunity to succeed in the NFL if you're the first pick of the draft, all the way to an undrafted free agent. It doesn't matter where you get drafted. That's not your legacy one single bit. Your legacy starts when you get to the facility, when you get to the practice field, when the game starts, that's when it all kicks in. And it doesn't matter one bit where you were drafted. So if you slipped, no matter what, if you went down, if you didn't get picked, well, guess what? You have an opportunity to shine, to show those teams that they all messed up. You have an opportunity to shine and prove to everyone that you belong in the first round or wherever you thought you should have been drafted. But truly the draft does not matter. It's just all about the opportunities and everyone has the same opportunities across the board once you get into the NFL, once you get into training camp. I mean, you're not gonna be an undrafted free agent in China training camp and they're gonna be like, oh, he was undrafted, we should cut him. No, they're gonna be friggin' just a static that you're an undrafted player doing well in training camp because they have you for three years on minimum pay. That just helps out the salary cap tremendously, like no other. You're a hero. Make the best of it no matter where you were drafted and it doesn't matter where you were drafted. And here's a fun fact, Kay. I was actually at the draft and I got invited to the draft and I slipped out of the first round but I was the first player and it was the first time they ever taken like more than like the top five guys to the draft. So there's a lot of us. So I was the first player to get drafted the next day in the second round ever in history. So that's a pretty cool fact. And then how did you handle that? Cause we saw like Brian Branch, he shows up and he stayed and most of those guys like we'll have Levist, they all flew home and he wanted, like Brian Branch wanted his moment on stage still. Yeah, I mean, I had a possibility, I had a thought in my mind that it was definitely possible I was going to go in the second round. So that was in my mind why I even got there. And I just thought it was really cool to be invited to the draft. So I don't know why these guys go there then they fly home. I agree. If they don't pick them the first round, well then why did you even go to the draft? You know, like, you know? Yeah. So, but like I said, you're going to get the same opportunities no matter what second round, first round, I'm drafted and then and then on top of it, once I got drafted, like I was kind of disappointed, you know? I didn't get picked. The Bangles took a tight end, Tony first pick overall and then no one else took a tight end the first round in my draft but I was mad the first day but let me tell you the second day once my name was called, it was the best moment of my life, you know? My dream has come true that I was drafted into the NFL. I totally forgot it was even a problem at all that I wasn't drafting the first round, it was just one of the best moments of my life and it didn't matter one bit that I dropped. And then you guys had that family huddle, we've all seen footage, you get drafted to the Patriots, you go to New England, you know, Bill talks about like when he met you and you fell asleep on the floor and all that stuff but do you remember once you were a Patriot walking into that building, what it felt like or even what Bill said to you? What's the first thing Bill said to you? I don't really recall like what the first thing he said to me walking into the building, but I would say that just a generalization of everything that is just repeated over there is to get ready to work, you know? It's not like you're cracking jokes right away right when you walk in the building, it's get ready to work, you know? Get ready to work on the field and also off the field, you know? Study film, go out there and be in well conditioned to be in great shape so you're out there and you're not gasping for air in between, so just get ready, that's the motto there, get ready. I mean, it's crazy because you get drafted, I'm just thinking about it now, Brady Watt had already three in the bag, right? So you find out you're going to meet, had you met Tom? Yes, I never met Tom before and I actually remember that moment meeting him for the very first time, I was actually on the training tape, I was getting my ankles taped, I was getting ready for practice and he just walks into the training room and he introduces himself to me and he goes, hey, I'm Tom and I was like, hey, Tom, nice to meet you, I'm Rob, your new favorite target and you don't even know it. Did you actually say that? Oh, but I should have, I should have, I was thinking of it but I should have. That's amazing, hi, I'm Tom, I'd be like, oh my God, you're the best thing in the world, that's insane, that's amazing. Okay, so listen. My first, that's when it got really interesting is I'm out at practice and the first 10 minutes of practice, you're just warming up, you're kind of jogging through your first couple of routes to warm up the body and I have a little slant route, it's just three steps and then you slant it and I'm just sitting out there, it's probably like a 60% full speed route, so 60% full speed and I'm just sitting there and it's Tom, he's about to throw me to ball my first one ever and I'm shaking, I'm shaking already and then he throws it really nice and softly and I caught it and I just felt so successful just from the warm up when I was 21 years old. And then you went on and won four rings with him which is so insane after that one pass.