 across you. Well, for the sake of recollection, please let people know how you and I came across each other's path. Well, I was kind of sketchy on Seiko, and I got some in my eye, but I was kind of sketchy on Seiko. You know what I'm talking about? I said, I kind of disagreed with the interview, well, not the interview, but the ladies motives of Julie Roy's on Johnny Parker. Yeah. I was open to her being right and being wrong, but I didn't quite, I felt like in my spirit, I felt the Lord does not know, but I felt like her motives might not be pure, but let me just look and see if what she's saying is true. Now, what really did it was though, I saw that I felt okay, fine, but what really made me take a second look at you was you had this run-in with, was it Tim? Is that his name? Of the Bible Thumping? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And I said, okay, I see what Seiko's saying. I see what Tim is saying. Seiko, again, y'all, I heard me say, Seiko is not, is not the technology geek. He's not. And so he was bringing up something about how you have something, you know, laid out on, on what sense. Okay. Seiko, he's right about that. On license. I think it was on licensing. Yeah. Yeah. And so that made me say, you know what? Let me, let me just check this guy out because this guy seems to have a following. Everybody's talking about Seiko. Who is it? Who this guy is? So somebody, he must be on something. Let me just see because, because he's not talking foolish. He's not, you know, laying hands on folks over the, over, over the computer or anything like that. He's not, you know, casting out demons, you know, by tweet. It's not what he's doing. So let me just check out, check out this guy. And I see him and then I hear some of your political views, some of your views on being a man. Like, you know what? This guy might be. Let me go ahead and, and let me go ahead and, and subscribe. Matter of fact, what's funny and you probably hope, I hope you never do it. But my first comment to you was probably a negative comment. But you know what? I'm going to go and subscribe. This guy, this guy, this guy, all right. Okay. Now, again, a year later, we go to talk and matter of fact, Keith of a whole line of ministries gave me my name and number and then you wanted me to contact you. But even still, it's still been a result in me getting a, being able to come on the show. You know, I, again, if I, if I was a heretic. Yeah. You know, top of the list, bro, I don't, I don't bump you to the top. I don't bump you. But yeah. So I'm seeing you on, on all these different shows. I'm seeing you with Queen Latifah. I'm seeing you with Fred Price Jr. Yeah. So like this guy, this guy is all right. So here I am. I didn't give all the details I could, I could have given, but that's my, that's the, the long version of my, my look test money. Welcome, welcome, welcome to the BCV channel. I am your host, Pastor Seco Woods. Please do the following. 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Of course, the misses. Yes. I know, dear. I know. I know. Yep. That's what sin does, y'all. Sin separates. Sin separates. It is. Oh, wow. I didn't even see this. So Terrence, Mr. Woods, you said, I just want to make it known that I have seen the evidence you dropped on Jay Mack and it's clear to me that John McArthur needs to step down. He's a follower of Corey. He did change his position. Brother, thank you. I appreciate your objectivity and I appreciate your commitment to the truth. I do appreciate that. Yeah, brother, I was on Queen Latifah back in 1999 before I was a Christian. Yeah. Yep. Flew me out there and everything. 1999. Yes, sir. Yes, sir. It's on my channel. You can go to my channel. So now I put the information out there because you know how people try to pull up your past. I'm like, my stuff is up there. All of it. This is the job. So how are you doing, my sister? Good to see you. Good to see you. Good to see you. Jesus loves you. What's going on, my brother? Good to see you as well. Brother KL, good to see you. Let's see. So anyway, yeah, so I want to jump in. I want to jump right in to today's topic and subject. Of course, you see the thumbnail, courtesy of the mob. And so I say, hey, I might as well join the fun and join the lab. So I made their clown image of me, my thumbnail. So thank you very much, Tigot and the mob. I appreciate that. Thank you. You made my job easier because I was trying to figure out what could I use as a thumbnail. And so lo and behold, God is good, y'all. God is good. Sometime he'll let your enemies be your foots too. So I appreciate it. Thank you. So, so much. Made my job 10 times easier. I didn't have to find it. I didn't have to try to look for something, an idea. I made the process of me just going ahead and just grabbing it, putting it up on my, on my channel, on my, I'm not thumbnail and did a little tweaking, but everything is good. I mean, I even like the blue, I like the blue fro. I appreciate that. I really appreciate that. Thank you so so much, mob. Didn't have to pay a dime either. Ain't that good? So anyway, let's go to, let's go to our foundational text today. We're going to be, we're going to be on the Bible bus a lot. Okay. So have your Bibles or make sure you're able to jot down these scriptures. But it's going to be quite a few. It's going to be quite a few because there's quite a few statements that our brother Corey minor had made on his Q and A that he did on Saturday, I think it was on Saturday. And so I just want to respond to it with the scriptures and make sure that people understand that there is always a biblical reason why we are supposed to do what we do. And when there is none, and we're telling people that we are not obligated to do certain things, we better have BCV available. Otherwise, we're only given our opinion. So let's jump right into the scripture. Shall we? We all know the text first Corinthians chapter 11 verse 19 and it reads for there must also be factions or heresies or heresies divisions among you. Why? Why must there be divisions in the body of Christ? Why must there be heresies and schisms in the body of Christ? Well, Paul tells us. So that those who are approved may be made or may become evident among you. That's why. That's why I know some of us don't like to have any kind of conflict. Even if it's, even if the truth is at stake, we would rather not even go to battle for the sake of the gospel, for the sake of the truth. We're so allergic to conflict. We'll let the devil just come right into our churches, come right into our marriages, come right into our relationships and wreck shop. But Paul says sometimes conflict is necessary, is necessary, is needed. It must happen because we need to know who is speaking for the Lord and who is not the new living translation. I like their versions. Well, too, they said, but of course there must be divisions among you. Of course there must be. So that you have God's approval for those who have God's approval will be recognized so that you who you have God's approval will be recognized. Now again, God just, listen, God wrote it. I just quoted, ladies and gentlemen, so don't get, don't get mad at me. Don't try to make it seem like I'm the one that's making this stuff up. Now God says sometimes it's necessary. And I believe the times as we are facing is now, even more so. Paul says this, so have I become your enemy by telling you the truth? Some of you can't stand me, don't like me, consider me the enemy, consider me to be marked and avoided because I'm telling the truth. Because I'm telling the truth. I'm not making up anything as I go. I'm not, I'm not trying to stir up unnecessary confusion. In fact, name one, name one issue that I've ever stirred up for the sake of stirring up confusion. Name one. Give me, just give me one. I'm talking about with proof. And I'm not talking about your feelings. I'm not talking about your subjective interpretations on what you think conflict and so in discord means. No, no, no, I'm asking, show me, give me objective facts where I, yours truly have stirred up confusion, unnecessary conflict. Just because I wanted to. Name one. Please. I would like to know. And then I would definitely repent. But you're going to be hard pressed to find it. So people like me who respond to conflict are not those who stir up conflict. We're just the first responders to conflict because we know the damage if left unchecked is greater than it would be if we engage those who sow division and who stir up unnecessary confusion and discord among the brethren. Yep, I definitely did puny. I broke that 11 commandment. I'm always breaking that 11 commandment. I think if the 11th commandment is an eternal issue, I'm probably going to be going to hell. But thank God it ain't. But yeah, it's the 11th commandment. It's the unspoken rule, the unspoken, unwritten 11th commandment that I, thou must, I shall be nice. No matter what must be nice, must be must be nice. But a brother, Corey, had did he had did his his Q&A and my name came up and, you know, actually the image was inspired by Corey minor, who called me a clown. And so the so the mob, they took that made a video out of it. Miss Miss furlough speaks. She grabbed their video, did a live on it, I believe yesterday, had my clown face on there and everything. I thought I thought it was homie to clown at first. But hey, but yeah, I appreciate that. So I went ahead and just grabbed it and brought it over here. But yeah, I was called a clown. And you know, what has been going on has been considered as a circus by our brother Corey. Now, again, this is not this is not personal for me because he didn't sit against me. He is sitting against those number one who are doing the work that the church is supposed to be doing the same the same people that Corey said, Julie Roy shouldn't have a job if the church was doing their job. That was that was a 2022 Corey of last year who said that. You know, actually, he echoed the same thing that Ruslan said and Ruslan has not changed his position. And that's ironic. You know, I have to give credit what credit is due. I have to give credit what credit is due. Ruslan, he came he came in hot defending people who theologically don't agree with his positions because he's charismatic or charismatic ish. But as a fellow image bearer, at least he saw the the abuse and the injustice and he used his platform during that time to speak out against it. So what's the purpose of using your platform, Corey, if you're going to renege on it on the very thing that you should platform to speak out against it. Yeah, I agree there. We have never called Corey out of his name. Oh, yeah, the influence is definitely show. That's what happened when you're not when you're not able to think logically. But hey, it is what it is. That's why I don't take it personal. The only reason why I'm doing this is because I know the people who I have spoken to. I have seen the emails. I have actually interacted with abuse victims and abuse survivors who have expressed their thankfulness and their gratitude for the Lord using me in this channel to sound the alarm and to raise awareness in the whole people responsible and accountable in the body of Christ. So those of you who are wondering, when am I going to stop, I don't know. It'd be the same way if it was with J. Craig Lewis. I'm going to do what the Lord has called me to do and only what the Lord has called me to do. And for however long he tells me to do it, I'm going to do it because I know my calling. I know my mission. Therefore, I'm going to be obedient by God's grace to what he has commissioned me to do. So with that being said, let's get into these clips. I have some commentary to provide for some of them. Get your Bibles ready because we're going to be getting on the Bible bus. Let's go. This question says this, is it biblical to tell other believers you have to choose between yourself and someone else and use a scripture to back it up? My response and still my response is that, no, it's not, I pick you, I pick you. I'm your team. I'm on your team. That is, what's the right way to do it? That is kindergarten. That's sophomore, that's childish. Are you going to be with Billy or are you going to be with Mary? That's not what we do. Well, maybe that's not what you do, Corey. But that is what the scriptures tell us to do. But the way he sounds like it, I mean, he's acting as though, I mean, he's acting as though, I'm trying to make somebody choose who they want to be in, in a relationship. No, I'm not trying to do that. It's not that serious, Corey. I'm just asking you the question. We are supposed to make a decision. We're supposed to choose whose side we're going to be on if we are going to represent in Christ. That's it. So I'm not trying to press you or press anybody to choose me. And I can't go on my life unless you make a decision. No, I mean, I don't have to do all that. It ain't that serious, bro. It's not that serious. You owe the people an answer. You do owe them an answer to respond on the things you flip-flopped on. So I'm not making it personal. I'm just saying, if you're making statements and saying it one minute a year ago, actually 17 months ago, 17 months ago, that John McArthur needs to step down, that he had a good run, that he's got to go, you know, all of that, all of that. And then you flip and you change and you switch. Don't you think people need to know the reason why you flip? Don't you think and don't you believe that if you were on the receiving end of this, that you'll be asking and even demanding why the switch? Yeah, people want to know, Corey. People want to know. Like right now, they want to know. And it is incumbent upon you as a teacher to tell them the truth. Why the switch? Because if it's something that the body of Christ needs to know, then Corey, you are under biblical obligation, my brother, to tell us. Now, in the phone conversation that I released, some of you are getting mad, but the Bible says in Ephesians 5, 11, they have nothing to do with the unfruitful. These are darkness, but expose them. And that includes people in the body of Christ. It was clear that Corey is caping and covering for John MacArthur. It is clear that the mob is in his ear. And if you recall the conversation, all you have to do is listen to it because I asked him the question, who are these other people? And I'm not gonna go into all that. Well, we already know who the other people or the other side is and who they comprise of. But the cast and characters of villains are getting larger and larger by the day. So now, Corey is probably the newest member there. Justin Peters has been a part of it. He's been low-key. David No Moral, he's been a part of it. J.D. Fall, he's in there. April Newell-Conscience Chapman, she's in there. Michael Thieves and the Temple Williams, he's in there. Varian Bafoon-Babes, she's in there. Can't tell the truth, is in there. Ricky Gantz is in there. Ricky Cartwell is in there. proverbial get a life, is in there. I mean, they're all in there. Yeah, and Corey the Minor, the newest addition has made up the roster. And for what? Defending who? Defending people who support Howes, make havens for pedophiles, rapists. I forget about that. Forget about that. I forget about the lady who got raped on campus at the Masters Seminary campus or your Master University campus, got raped and was made to go back and apologize to the rapist for him raping her. Yeah, it's all documented. Yep. So before y'all drop your jar on the floor, that's an actual case. The woman lost everything. Her theological education gone. They kicked her out. And the rapist wasn't even a member or wasn't even a student, but they protected him. A rape kit was done and everything. And this is how they treat women and children. But this is who Corey and the mob capes for John MacArthur, who protects finances, guards, shields, rapists, pedophiles, child molesters and wife beaters at Grace Community Church. For over 44 years. But we're not supposed to pick sides, right? Okay, Corey. Well, let's see what the scripture says. Let's go, y'all. Exodus chapter 32, we discussed this last week. Yes, she had to apologize to her rapist, yes she did. Absolutely, yes she did. Let me populate that. She had to apologize to her rapist for him raping her. Now, when Moses saw that the people were out of control for Aaron had let them get out of control to be a derision among their enemies, then Moses stood in the gate of the camp and said, whoever is for the Lord, come to me. And what happened? And all the sons of Levi gathered together to him. Joshua 24, 15. I'm just gonna breeze through these. I'm gonna try my best not to comment. Joshua, 24. 15. Corey said it's not biblical. That's what Corey said. We already know what Joshua's admonition and exhortation is. He says verse 15, Joshua 24. If it is disagreeable in your sight to skew me to serve the Lord, choose for yourselves today whom you will serve. Whether the gods, which your father served, which were beyond the river, notice whether the gods, small g, which your father served, which were beyond the river or the gods of the Amorites and whose land you are living. But as for me and my house, we will serve the Lord. First Kings 18. First Kings chapter 18, verse 20 to 21. So Ahab sent a message among all the sons of Israel and brought the prophets together at Mark Carmel. Elijah came near to all the people that said, how long will you hesitate between two opinions? If the Lord is God, follow him. But if Baal, follow him. And what happened? But the people did not answer him a word. Yeah, sometimes silence is worse than making a choice because it is a choice nonetheless. Matthew chapter seven, Matthew chapter seven, verse 13 and 14. Jesus says, enter through the narrow gate for the gate is wide and the way is broad that leads to destruction. And there are many who entered through it. For the gate is small and the way is narrow that leads to life and there are few who find it. Matthew chapter 15 and verse 14. Jesus referring to the Pharisees. He says, let them alone. They are blind guides of the blind. Leave them alone, have nothing to do with them. Separate yourselves from them. They are blind guides of the blind and if a blind man guides a blind man, what are the consequences? Both will fall into a pit. 1 Corinthians 4, 16. He says, therefore Paul says, therefore I exhort you be imitators of me. What is the implication? That means he doesn't want you imitating anything that's not of God, that does not represent God. It does not represent his people. Same book, chapter 11 and verse one. Be imitators of me just as I also am of Christ. Verse 19, again, for there must be factions among you so that those who are approved maybe come evident among you. Paul says it must happen. The reason why it must happen because we need to know who is on God's side. Who's actually representing God here? Ephesians 5, verse one. Therefore be imitators of God as beloved children. Verse 11, same epistle. But do not participate, do not participate, do not join in the unfruitful deeds of darkness but instead even expose them. Well, wait a minute, but that's what my brother Corey has to, do not participate in the unfruitful deeds of darkness. But I like how Corey breaks down the HEB in the Greek. Do not participate in the unfruitful deeds of darkness. But Corey has a nice demeanor and he's not like that. Do not participate in the unfruitful deeds of darkness but instead even expose them. Philippians chapter three, verse 17. Brethren, join in following my example and observe. Observe those who walk. That speaks of lifestyle and not just doctrine. We'll get on that in just a minute. I don't want to get too ahead of myself because some people like my brother Corey says that your lifestyle don't matter. Just doctrine, he only focuses on doctrine and I'm gonna explain why he only focuses on doctrine just a minute. But the text says here, Philippians 3, 17. Paul says, brethren, brethren, join in following my example. That's pretty bold, Paul. That means you better be on your game, right Paul? He says, brethren, join, join in following my example and observe those who walk according to the pattern you have in us. So come along with me, join in following my example and also the examples of others that are walking according to the pattern. There's a standard, Paul says. There's a standard, there's a standard. Chapter four, I promise I wasn't gonna talk about you about these texts, right? I'm sorry, it's the preacher in me. Chapter four, verse nine of Philippians. The things you have learned and received and heard and seen in me. Notice, notice, notice. The things you have learned, you've been taught, you've been discipled, you've been trained. He says the things you have learned and received, you've accepted and heard, you've listened, you've taken it in, you just get information, it impacted your life. And seen in me, you observed it, you watched. Now just one time, you saw the panoply of a person's life, he says, practice these things. The things you've learned, received, heard, seen, practice it, do it, do it, do it. He says what? And the God of peace will be with you. Yeah, yeah. We already have peace with God and salvation, but we want the peace of God and sanctification. First, that's the lonely is one six. You also became imitators of us and of the Lord. Haven't received the word and much tribulation with the joy of the Holy Spirit. Chapter five, verse 21 and 22. But examine everything carefully, hold fast to that which is good, abstain, abstain from every form of evil. You and I should have nothing to do with individuals who want to cape and cover and defend and excuse pastors or individuals or anyone else who supports, who defends, who gives havens to sex offenders, pedophiles, child abusers, wife beaters, nothing. Why? Cause it's evil. It's evil. It is evil. Second, that's alone is chapter three and verse nine. Not because we do not have the right to do this, but in order to offer ourselves as a model for you, as a model for you so that you would follow our example. Notice, he says, so you can follow our example. First Timothy chapter four, verse one through six. But the Spirit explicitly says that in the latter time, some will fall away from the faith, paying attention to deceitful spirits and doctrines of demons. You think what our brother Corey is doing by saying to he that John MacArthur does not need to step down, that that's not a doctrine of demons, that he's teaching people now that one moment that MacArthur's not qualified to be a pastor for what he has done. Now he doesn't have to step down. He's not disqualified, but it gives no biblical reason for. You don't think that that's a doctrine of demons when the scripture says in first Timothy three, one through seven, Titus one, five through nine, first Peter, five, one through five, that if a pastor is not doing these things, does not do these things that they're not qualified. You think that what Corey now is teaching is not a doctrine of demons, that he's covertly now deceiving people and to thinking that it's okay for people like MacArthur to stay in the pulpit and not give any biblical support for that. Verse two, by means of the hypocrisy of liars, seared in their own conscience, as with the branding iron, men who forbid marriage and advocate abstaining from foods which God has created to be gratefully shared in by those who believe in know the truth. For everything created by God is good and nothing to be refused if it is received with thanksgiving or gratitude for it is sanctified by the word of God in prayer. Verse six, here it is right here, in pointing these things out to the brethren. But I thought we're not supposed to, I thought it wasn't biblical to tell people who to follow and who not to follow. And pointing these things out to the brethren Paul says, you'll be a good servant of Christ Jesus, constantly nourished on the words of the faith and of the sound doctrine which you have been following. Yeah, I'm gonna let the word of God speak instead of man when they're not being faithful to what the word says. First Timothy 5, 22, do not lay hands upon anyone too hastily and thereby share responsibility for the sins of others. Notice, keep yourself free or pure from sin. Second Timothy 3, second Timothy 3, verses one through five. Second Timothy 3, verses one through five. Now let's see, this guy right here, Mark is more. Let's go ahead and take care of that. There we go. Second Timothy 3, one through five. Paul says, but realize this, that in the last days difficult times will come. For men will be lovers of self, lovers of money, boastful, arrogant, revilers, disobedient to parents, ungrateful, unholy, unloving, irreconcilable, malicious gossips, without self-control, brutal, haters of good, treacherous, reckless, conceited, lovers of pleasure rather than loves of God. Look at verse five, holding to a form of godliness, holding to a form of godliness. Although they have denied its power. Notice this command right here. Do y'all see this right there? Paul says, avoid them. And it's in the middle voice. It's an imperative, it's a command. And it's in the middle voice, meaning it's for your benefit. You do this for yourself. Appa Trepo, you avoid them. Stay away from them, shun them. Don't associate with them. Leave them alone. That's what Paul says. He said they have a form of godliness, but they don't have the power of God. They have a form, morphosis. We get metamorphosis from. It's not real. It's fake, it's superficial. He says, avoid such men as these. But I thought we're not supposed to tell people who they're kidding. Oh, okay. All right, okay. That's what my Bible says opposite. Let's continue on. Let's continue on. We're almost off the bus. Almost off the bus. First John, chapter four, verse five and six. They are from the world. Therefore, they speak as from the world and the world listens to them. We are from God. He who knows God listens to us. Am I making this stuff up in the text? Do y'all see the same thing that I'm seeing? He says, we are from God, right? Verse six, we are from God. He who knows God listens to us. Did I just make that up? Or did the apostle John, inspired by the Holy Spirit, make this claim? He says, we are from God. He who knows God listens to us. Same Bible, David. Okay, thank you, sir. He says, he who is not from God does not listen to us. By this, we know the spirit of truth and the spirit of error. So we all got the same Bible, right? Okay, all right. Okay, thank you. Thank you, Terrence. Thank you. So I'm not making this stuff up. So when Corey says, it's not biblical, it's because he doesn't do it. Don't make it unbiblical for us to do it. Cause we're doing what the word of God says. But let's continue. I got two more, two more. Let's go to the John's second letter, verse 10. Verse 10 and 11, if anyone comes to you and does not bring this teaching, do not receive him into your house and do not give him a greeting for the one who gives him a greeting participates in his evil deeds. He's talking to people who have travelers come and they will be hospitable, but these people will be bringing demonic false doctrine. He says, no, no, no. Don't entertain them, don't associate with them. Don't even give them God's speed. Stay away from them. And what kind of teaching is John talking about? Well, his last epistle, what did he tell us? He said, this is how you know those who are from God and those who are not. Those who practice sin aren't from God. Those who are of God does not live and sin as a pattern of life. He said, this is how you know. He says there's no guessing around that. You can know that by how they walk, by how they live, by what they teach. Yeah, you don't host wolves and false teachers. Amen, K.L. But I almost forgot one verse, one text. Let's go back. Let's go back. Because again, because again, you know, we're told that we're not supposed to do this. That's why I said, doctrines of demons. You know, you can teach doctrines of demons and still be a Christian four time, four a time. But you can't do that as a pattern and habit of life, though. You know, what our brother Corey is saying and teaching is a doctrine of demons. Because the Bible don't say that. So you only get it from either one or two realms, either the spiritual realm, the angelic realm, the godly realm, or the demonic realm. Which one you think Corey is getting his teaching from regarding supporting men who defend pedophiles and wife beaters and say that they're not disqualified anymore. But last year they were disqualified. But anyway, verse 17, verse 14 through 17, right. Do not be bound or do not be unequally yoke together with unbelievers. That's pretty clear, isn't it? For what partnership have righteousness and lawlessness or what fellowship has light with darkness or what harmony has Christ with Belial or what has a believer in common with an unbeliever? Or what agreement has a temple of God with idols? For we are the temple of the living God. Just as God said, I will dwell in them and walk among them and I will be their God and it shall be my people. Verse 17, therefore come out from their midst and be ye separate, says the Lord. Sound like a command to me. I don't know, it sounded like to y'all. There has to be some separating. If people are opposite of who you are, God says you don't partner with them. You don't link up with them. You don't link up with them. He says, and do not touch what is unclean and I will welcome you and I will be a father. Verse 18, and I'll be a father to you and you shall be sons and daughters to me. He says, and you shall be sons and daughters to me, says the Lord Almighty. Mark he's more, I'm gonna give you a warning. A warning and that's all you're getting. Next move you'll be banned. Moderators, put them on notice. Matter of fact, put them in time out. And let's see if he can pour himself when he comes back. Time them out. Verse one of chapter seven, just wanna read this. He says, therefore having these promises, beloved, let us cleanse ourselves from all defilement of flesh and spirit, perfecting holiness in the fear of God. Sounds like separation to me, Corey. That's what it sounds like to me, sir. That's what it sounds like to me. But wait, because another thing I wanted to share with you as well. Yeah, time out, Mark he's more. Time him out. Put Mark he's more in time out. If you see him, you should be able to see him. All right, anyway. But remember now, I wanna play Corey's clip back for just a second, cause I have a question to ask him regarding that. No, he's not in Facebook, but actually what I did was I took him off the broadcast on my side. So if y'all don't see him, then that's fine. If you don't see him, don't worry about it. Cause I did take him off. So the only way I could see him is me if I populate him. But I don't have to populate him anymore. But I thought he made me in the chat. That's fine. But let me play Corey's clip again one more time because I have one more question to ask him about this, is it biblical or not biblical stuff? This question says this, is it biblical to tell other believers you have to choose between yourself and someone else and use a scripture to back it up? My response, and it's still my response, is that no, it's not, I pick you, I pick you. I'm your team, I'm one of your team. That is, what's the right way to do it? That is kindergarten, that's sophomore, that's childish. Are you gonna be with Billy or are you gonna be with Mary? That's not what we do. Okay, so if that's not what we do, Corey, then I need to ask you this question. Would you consider me being wrong if I had, let's just go here and I'll go ahead and share my screen for just a moment. And some of y'all may remember this live that I did, but I'm gonna share it with you right now because this church, if you wanna call it that, this is called the Congregation Beth Shalom of the Woodlands. This church is right up the road from Impact Church of the Woodlands where we used to attend. Why did we stop attending this church? Well, look at what it said. We left the church before we found out about this one before this issue had happened. Everyone is welcome at CBSW, which stands for, again, Congregation Beth Shalom of the Woodlands. We strive to be fully inclusive community and remove all barriers to participation. The Reform Jewish Movement is a longtime ally of the LGBTQ community. CBSW is proud to have hosted the first gay wedding in Texas after the US Supreme Court legalized gay marriage in 2015. We are home for Jews and, if applicable, they're non-Jewish partners of all sexual orientations and gender identities. On June 17th, 2022, we held our first annual Pride Shabbat at CBSW. So this church is a gay affirming church. This is not all that they are. This church also does not believe that Jesus is God. They believe that Jesus can be anything or anyone. You can be God. You can be the Messiah. Yeah, this place, this rabbi. Oh, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. We didn't know anything about this. No, no, no, no, no, we didn't know anything about this. We had already left. We left a week afterwards. We left a week before, excuse me, a week before this and we left a week after they had brought the fraternities and sororities there. I'm just making a point because Corey said that we're not to tell people, you know, not to follow this person, not to follow that person and all that kind of stuff. So that's the case then, Corey. Should we not tell people not to go to places that host and believe in sodomy, sodomite marriages? Just asking because this is the church that we attended. And this is the pastor, this guy, Roche Coleman. This is who he allowed to bring in the congregation of the saints. But their statement of faith is solid. The views on marriage, right here, human sexuality. We believe that God has commanded that no intimate sexual activity be engaged in outside of marriage between a man and a woman. We believe that any form of homosexuality, lesbianism, bisexuality, bestiality, incest, fornication, adultery and pornography are sinful perversions of God's gift of sex. We believe, look at the next line, we believe that the only legitimate marriage is the joining of one man and one woman. We believe that men and women are spiritually equal in position before God, but that God has ordained distinct and separate spiritual functions for men and women in the home and the church. The husband is to be the leader of the home and men are to be the leaders, pastors and elders of impact church or the wilderness. Now, if that's the case, then why did this guy allow this church, his disrubbi to come here and teach? My question is, ladies and gentlemen, simple question. Am I wrong for warning the body of Christ? Matter of fact, taking my family and getting the body there before we had, before we saw that, we left when they were parading their frats and sorrows. The Boolay, BGLO, demons. Yeah. But according to Corey, I guess we are, right? Just asking Corey, when can we hold people responsible and accountable publicly when they do things publicly? I'm just curious. I'm just curious. Just curious. There we go. So, but let's continue on. Let's see what Corey has to say. I will never tell you who to not go watch or listen to or agree with. Do what you feel is comfortable. I'm not gonna tell you that this person who disagrees with me is un... Well, there are some, something that I will. Is un... Well, there are some, something that I will. But is un... Well, there are some, something that I will. But in relation to, to someone now is saying that now I'm in sin and I'm this and I'm that and I'm after money, I'm after subscriptions, I'm after followers, I'm after all these different things. And so now I'm in sin, whatever. No one cares what you're saying. Literally. The 20 folks that hear you daily, no one cares. 20 folks. 20 folks. Dang, Corey. Bro, how soon we forget? How soon we forget, Corey? Dang, chief. The 20 folks. All right, bro. All right. All right. Trying to shoot across the bow with your little, with your little sub shots. Okay, bro. I hear you. I see you, bro. I see you. Well, what does the Bible say about that, Corey? Let's see what the Bible says about my, I don't know, 20 folks that follow me. Let's just see what the Word of God has to say. Let's start there. Let's go to, let's go to first Samuel. Cause you know, David had that same issue too. You know, but it's all good. It's okay, Corey. It's all right. Now, Eliab, his elder, his oldest brother, heard when he spoke to the men, cause they were just asking a question. He said, when he spoke to the men and Eliab's anger burned against David and said, why have you come down? And with whom have you left those few sheep? Those few sheep, them little sheep. Go back, go back to your little job, boy. You over here in the big leagues, gone back to dealing with them little sheep, them few sheep you got. He goes on and accuses them. I know your insolence and the wickedness of your heart, but you have come down in order to see the battle and David said, what have I done now? Was it not just a question? Like, dang bro, what did I do? I'm just asking a question. You gonna make, you gonna throw a little ad homonyms at me? That's, that's what Corey did. We'll get to that in a minute. We'll get to that in a minute. Instead of dealing with the issue, Corey wants to deal with the person instead of the issue that the person is presenting. But anyway, typical tactic when people don't want to be held accountable. Let's continue on. Zechariah, Zechariah 4 verse 10. For who has despised the day of small things? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Who has despised the day of small things? But these seven will be glad when they see the plumb line in the hand of the road bell. These are the eyes of the Lord which range to and fro throughout the whole earth. God doesn't take too kindly people trying to minimize and mock and jeer and jest against those who may have less than others. Yeah. Now he said, don't despise the day of small things, brother Corey. He said, don't, don't do that. Don't, don't do that. So notice, let's go to another text. Romans chapter 12 and verse three. Paul says, for through the grace given to me, I say to everyone among you not to think more highly of himself than he ought to think. But to think so as to have sound judgment as God has allotted to each a measure of faith. He says, don't, don't, don't, don't think that you're all that because you got more than others. Makes you better than others. Matter of fact, that's not Paul says in first Corinthians four, verse 17. He said, what did you have that you didn't receive? And if you receive it, why do you boast it as though you didn't receive it? Everything we have, we, we've received it. Everything. Everything. Verse 16, same, same book, same chapter. Be of the same mind, Paul says toward one another and do not be hearty or proud, but associate with the lowly. Do not be wise in your own estimation. Yeah. Again, don't think that you're all that. Galatians chapter six, verse three. For if anyone thinks he is something when he is nothing, he deceives himself. Yeah, that's what the Bible says, Corey. So the question you need to ask yourself, Corey, what do you mean? I mean, yeah, you hit your six-figure mark. Praise God. That's cool. How you get it, it is what it is. I'm content with what God has me. If he wants me to have more, I have more, but I got more than 20. And I know you were saying to try to throw a jab, but it's cool. It's fine. Because see, I'm a big boy. I rather deal with the issue than to throw at homonyms. Hey, Speedy. Yeah, I deleted the comment because it's a non-sequitur. I answered a fool according to his follow. You want me to answer you according to yours as well too? Because we know T-God is a troll and probably you are too. There. Who's next? So let's continue on. Let's continue on with clip number three. Let me guys give you some, I wanna give you guys some really, really, really, really, really good advice to take with you no matter who you deal with. And you will have to apply this at some point in time. You're gonna have to apply this at some point in time. Do not be the circus for a clown. Let me say that again. Do not be the circus for a clown. Clowns want attention. They wanna be seen. They wanna be heard. Well, let them do it over there. Don't you be the circus? Now there are times where you have to address certain things. Fine. But sometimes you don't have to. It's not worthy. There's no need for it. I don't have to give in legitimacy to the foolishness that's coming out of your mouth. So what am I talking about? Let me just go ahead and put that out there and let's just end this. Now, will I come back and say more? I might. I might. This other person is not gonna want me to say more because when I swing, I'm swinging hard. Oh. Is this the part where I'll be afraid and shaking Corey? Okay, and you just deal with the issue at hand. Here's what ad hominem means, Corey. This is what you're doing, bro. In case you didn't remember. Ad hominem, attacking a person's character or motivations rather than a position or argument. Appealing to the emotions rather than to logic or reason. We have a lot of that going on. Matter of fact, got a lot of that going on in the chats. Some people gotta boot out. It's actually, what you see on the right hand side it means to the person. Instead of to the issue, people who are ad hominem, people who are ad hominists, they like to just deal with the person. You know, they'll act like, you know, playing a dozen, your mama, your mama. That kind of stuff. Instead of dealing with the issue at hand. Corey, when are you gonna deal with the issue at hand, brother? When are you gonna deal with the issue at hand? When are you gonna answer questions that people have asked you to answer? No, I forgot. You said that you're not obligated. That this brother over here, Seiko Woods, who thinks that one, I have changed. Do y'all remember when I said I took down about three or 400 videos? Didn't like the sound quality, the audio quality, the lighting and so forth. I've always maintained this view. Except for the very beginning. Corey, you've changed. You owe us a reason. You owe us an explanation to, well, guess what? The people on this channel aren't asking me, hey, Corey, why have you, no, over there they are, but over here they're not. No one's over here asking that. Well, Corey, see, I'm not understanding that. Cause what does that mean over here, over there? I thought the word of God makes it clear that if we were to do this in first Peter chapter three, verse 15, that we're the sanctified crisis, Lord, in your hearts, always be ready to make a defense to everyone who asks you to give a account or the reason for the hope that it's in you with meekness and fear or gentleness and respect or reverence. This whole over there and over here, I thought we were one, Corey. I thought we were one. Just curious. Cause then how do we codify and correlate this verse in first Corinthians chapter one, verse 10, Corey, how do we work on this? Now I exhort you, brethren, by the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that you all agree and that there'd be no divisions among you, but that you'd be made complete in the same mind and in the same judgment. Corey, you and I should be able to agree. We agreed last year about MacArthur. We agreed last year about the elders. We agreed last year that these men were not taking care of the Eileen grays and the windy grays of the body of Christ and their children. We all agreed. We had no argument, none whatsoever, brother, none. Why don't we have consensus when it comes to protecting the innocent? Why don't we have a consensus when it comes to protecting those who cannot defend for themselves? Why? Why? We did it first. We did it last year, Corey. What happened? Who changed? Who changed, Corey? Inquiry minds, inquiry minds want to know. Let's continue. First Corinthians chapter 12, verse 25 to 27. So that there may be no division in the body, but that the members may have the same care for one another. And Paul is talking about the importance of unity in the body. That there are no rogue members in the body with one body, many members, separate functions, but we all serve the same purpose for the betterment of the body. He says, so there may be no division in the body, but that the members may have the same care for one another. And if one member suffers, all the members suffer with it. If one member is honored, all the members rejoice with it, Corey. Now you are Christ's body and individually members of it. That's what my Bible says, Corey. There's no us versus them in the body. We're all one. We're all one, Corey. We're all one, brother. Well, here's the thing, Blazing torch. I reached out to a mutual moderator. I don't know if you was here yesterday. I mentioned it. I reached out to a mutual moderator this past weekend and I requested for this brother to moderate and let me and Corey go on his channel to lay out these issues. And for me to ask the questions and Corey can ask whatever question he wanted to ask me, but for me to ask the questions of why, why the flip, why the switch? And Corey Miner, the one has no problem coming up and inviting the Paganis and the Saldivars and the Marcus Rogers and the Vlads and all of them. You know, the low hanging heretics. He has no problem. Camming up with them and wanting them to come up on his channel and so forth and so on. But when it came to me, he backpedaled and said he has to ponder it. You got to ponder what you said. You can't stand 10 toes behind what you mean, brother. You think the body crisis is not old and explanation, but MacArthur was, I forgot. You just reneged on that one too. You said MacArthur not, he's not obligated to tell us anything. Their lives a switch, ladies and gentlemen. Their lives, their lives, their lives a switch. Let's continue. And I've said, if you ask me, but Corey so and so asked you. Well, you asked me, but then a few days later, a few minutes later, a few hours later, you turn around and go to this person to give him receipts for his next video, which tells me you weren't interested in my answer. You were interested in drama. I don't need drama, I'm in my fifties. Drama is when I was in my twenties, later for that. But Corey, you want the demon slayers and so forth to answer you? I don't want them to answer me. I want them to make amends with the doctrine. I only care about the doctrine. I'm not attacking them personally. I don't care about what they're doing with their wives or their children, anything like that or whatever, whether it was Marcus Rogers or anyone else. I don't care about Marcus Rogers, Salacious, Pass and so forth, but doctrine, that's all I care about. That's what we defend. When Jesus stood before a pilot, what did Jesus answer? Issues pertaining to who he was, doctrine issues, but they're making these accusations against you. Jesus, what did Jesus say? Nothing and pilot Marvel. Really? Jesus said nothing when he was falsely accused, Corey? Are you sure about that, Corey? Are you sure about that? But we do know this. We do know this. Corey is only concerned. He only cares about doctrine. Okay. Paul says this though. Pay close attention, he says. To your teaching, pay close attention to yourself, to your life and your teaching, your doctrine. It's both and, Corey. It's both and, Corey. He says, pay close attention to your self and your teaching. He says, persevere, don't just do one hit or quit, it's no, no, no. Persevere in these things. For as you do this, you will ensure salvation both for yourself and for those who hear you. You give evidence that you are saved. When you take your life, what comes out of your lips and what aligns with your life, seriously, carefully, consistently. This is what God is calling for, Corey. Consistent Christians. Consistent Christians, Corey? Yeah, yeah. But let's continue. You said all you care about is doctrine. Well, let's see if doctrine is the only thing that matters. Let's see, let's see, let's see, let's see. Come on, let's get back on the bus for a second. Y'all hop on the bus with me for a second. Luke chapter 12, verse 42 to 48. Luke 12, 42 to 48. Y'all all right? We good, y'all? We cool? We all right? Verse 42, who then is the faithful and sensible steward whom his master will put in charge of his servants to give them their rations at the proper time? Blessed is that slave whom his master finds so what? Doing when he comes. Truly I say to you, Jesus says that he will put him in charge of his possessions. But verse 45, if that slave says in his heart, my master will be gone or will be a long time in coming. And notice, notice, he begins to beat the slaves. Uh-oh, that sounds like a behavior issue. That sounds like something that you don't want to be doing. He begins to beat the slaves, both men and women, and to eat and drink and get drunk. The master of that slave will come on a day when he does not expect him. And in the hour, he does not know and will cut him in pieces and assign him a place with the unbelievers. And that slave who knew his master's will and did not get ready or act in accord with his will, will receive many lashes. But the one who did not know it and committed these words of a flogging will receive but few. From everyone who has been given much, much will be required. Mm-hmm. And to whom they entrusted much of him, they will ask all the more. Yeah, yeah, yeah, you think, David? You think he, you think, you think, huh? Yeah, but McCory said, oh, he cares about his doctrine and it shows. And it shows, and it shows. But I'll explain probably the reason why he's only focusing on doctrine and not life. But we'll get back to that in just a second. Because now we gotta talk about Jesus. Jesus, Jesus did never respond. Jesus never defeated himself. Jesus never, he just kept quiet all the time, right? That's what McCory said. John chapter 18, verse 19 to 23. Let's get back on this Bible bus, y'all. Let's let the text say what the text is supposed to say. The high priest then questioned Jesus about his disciples and about his teaching. Jesus answered him, hmm, so he wasn't quiet. Oh, huh, Jesus answered him. I have spoken openly to the world. I've always taught in synagogues in the temple where all the Jews come together and I spoke nothing in secret. Why do you question me, Jesus says? Why do you question me? Why do you question those who have heard what I spoke to them? They know what I said when he had said this. Verse 22, one of the officers standing nearby struck Jesus, struck Jesus. Is that the way you answered the high priest? Verse 23, if I have spoken wrongly, this is Jesus speaking. If I have spoken wrongly, testify of the wrong. But if rightly, why do you strike me? Why did you hit me? That sounds like to me, Corey, that sounds like a man who defended himself when wrongly accused. I'm just asking, Corey, where are you getting your information from, brother? I assumed you read your Bible. You've been in prison long enough that you should have read it from cover to cover. So I'm not understanding why you just saying that Jesus never, never, he never spoke in defense of himself. Okay, well, let's continue on. Let's see if this doctrine only matters. Let's see if doctrine alone matters, ladies and gentlemen. Come on, let's go. We're going to go to Matthew. Chapter seven, verse 21 and 23. Not everyone, verse 21, who says to me, Lord, Lord, notice, not everyone who says to me, Lord, Lord, will enter the kingdom of heaven. So Lord, anybody just what you say? Nope, not everyone who says to me, Lord, Lord, will enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of my father, who is in heaven. Many will say, verse 22, many will say to me on that day, Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name and in your name cast out demons and in your name perform many miracles? Notice, notice, he's not discounting their teaching. He's not even discounting what they did, the miracles. He says, and I will then declare to them, I never knew you. That word no or new is not cognitive knowledge. It is intimate knowledge. I never knew you, bro. I never, ever knew you. You and I don't have a relationship. Depart from me. You who practice lawlessnesses. Wait a minute, wait a minute. You who what? Practice lawlessness? Is that what it is? So, hmm, maybe, maybe Corey, what we do is just as important than what we say. Maybe, maybe, maybe Corey, what we say is just as important in how we show it. Where you getting that from? Oh, right here, Matthew, chapter 23, verse 1-3. Then Jesus spoke to the crowds and to his disciples. Now he putting them on blast. Huh, public rebuke? Hmm, who woulda thunk it? Describes in the Pharisees, Jesus says have seated themselves in the chair of Moses. Verse three, therefore all that they tell you, oh, all that they tell you, do and observe, do and observe, but do not do according to their deeds. You see what he said? He says, whatever they tell you, yeah, do that. But don't mimic what they do because they say things and do not do them. Oh, Corey, come on, bro. You're not quick on your feet, chief. Kind of slow on a draw. I thought you knew better than this, brother. I really did. So far, not looking good, chief. Tell me my testimony was fake all you want. Part of me started to say, this might happen when I swing. Put your social media platform up against mine and I'll go back and prove every single thing that the software lawyer that you had on there, everything that he said was wrong and if I can't, I'll delete my account. If I can't, you delete yours. That's what the flesh wants to do because everything he said in his little video about my testimony, whatever, whatever. Here's a person that didn't practice federal criminal law. That's fine. I'm not going, I'm not going, I'm not camming up with you. I'm not doing any of these other things. Yeah, I know you're not going to camera with me, Corey, because you don't want to commit social media suicide. Cause I wouldn't pull in the punches with you. Just like I wouldn't pull in any punches with anybody else. I want to run in my blood diarrhea. So you call Tara McGrew a software lawyer, but I guarantee you, I guarantee you wouldn't want to come up with them. Then you try being your own attorney when you're in prison. How did that work for you, Corey? Then you try to, you know, have your case tried, just asking, maybe I'm wrong. If I'm wrong, please correct me. But my point is this, Corey, he knows more about the law than you do and one of the things he said in the lie that I had with him is he knows how to read and he has studied case law. He's a lawyer. Pretty good one, by the way. And since you were digging into Crayson, trying to find information on him, nobody had to dig a lot to find on any information on you. You kept running your mouth. You kept talking. Nobody, no one would have known anything about your past, Corey. You're the one that kept bringing it up. And you brought it up for what? For sympathy? For deflection? I mean, because even in this situation, you kept bringing up your prison history, claiming that you were vindicated. How are you vindicated when you were found guilty for a crime that you admitted that you commit? But I'm not trying to go back into that again. I'm just trying to remind people that vindication is not for the guilty. Vindication is for the innocent. Vindication would have been for those victims whose money you sold. See, that's what vindication would have been for. But I understand why you say your life, that life in doctrine, you only focus on doctrine because you can't talk about your life because your life is kind of foul. Your life is kind of shady, bro. Why you were a pastor, you stole money. You said that, not me, you said that. See, all this would have been different if this was before Christ, but you claimed to be a Christian and then on top of that, you were an officer of the church and you stole innocent people's money who trusted you and you cheated on your wife. So you admitted that. So how do you qualify as a pastor? How do you qualify? How do you meet the qualifications for pastor? And here's another question. What church is it going to ordain you if you were a pastor and you stole money and committed mail fraud? I'm just asking, just asking. But I see the reason why you don't really focus on lifestyle because you don't believe that person's life and how they live, it just is important but what comes out of the lips when they're teaching the text? Are we talking about perfection? Absolutely not. Absolutely not. Absolutely not. No, we're not. But what we're talking about, Corey, is consistency. What we're talking about, Corey, is integrity. That's what we're talking about. You said that, not me. I didn't pull up your past. You laid your past out, but only problem was you lied about it and you kept lying. So now you want us to basically just not say anything. You want us to just ignore what you've said and just move on and not offer any explanation about why you flipped and why you're supporting a man like John MacArthur who supports and who covers for pedophiles, rapists, child molesters, child abusers, and wife beaters. That's what you want us to basically be quiet about. Not over here, sir. If you're gonna hope it got any responsible, hold yourself responsible too, sir. But see, I'll take you up on your challenge if you want that, but you're not done. That's why you kind of put a little disclaimer there. Yeah, if I were, if I were, yeah. This ain't what you want, Corey. This is not what you want. So you can try to sell with Pagani in them and these people that you bring on your channel and try to send them, not with me. Why not just accept the invitation that the mutual moderator had offered to have both of us on his channel and let's deal with this. What do you have to lose other than numbers and respect? See, for me, I have nothing to lose. I can stand by God's grace 10 toes down on mine. What about you, Corey? Won't you come? Won't you come? Won't you come? The doors of the live are open. All you gotta do is accept his invitation and you know who he is I'm referring to. Instead of a caping for people who are to be protected, you're caping for predators or predator enablers. How about that? But you wanna be a pastor, not Romans 12 verse three. You wanna have a platform challenge. You remind me of Marcus Rogers with that whole preach-off thing. I remember Marcus Rogers when I tried to challenge him to deal with the doctrine, deal with his life. He won't have a preach-off. You wanna have a platform challenge. Come on, Corey. Can we just deal with the issues and stop with the ad hominems, please? Can we? Nobody wants to waste time doing any of that other stuff. Accept the challenge, Corey. See, the Bible says the wicked flee when no one pursues but the righteous are both in line. What you running for? Stop running. Verse three, for through the grace given to me I say to everyone among you not to think more highly of themselves than you ought to think. We already read this before, but to think so as to have sound judgment as God has delighted to each a measure of faith. Relation six, three, I wanna read it again in case you weren't paying attention. For if anyone thinks he is something when he has nothing, Corey, he deceives himself. So you, like the old folks say, Corey, you remember the old folks you say? You smellin' yourself, bro. You startin' to smell yourself. And one thing is, you got nose plugs on. But for us, what we smell ain't good, bro. You're startin' to stink. Your pride is stinking. Check yourself. But now, for you guys, I've always maintained, haven't changed that Julie Roy's has an ax to grind. An ax to grind simply means that you are doing something in volume and no one knows your motives. That's literally what it means. Literally what it means. Is that a good thing or bad thing? It's neither good nor bad. It's just what you do. I've been saying it, I've said it from day one. You said it from day one, huh, Corey? Okay. I wanna talk about how long ago this happened. This happened, obviously, in the early part of 2000, over 20 years ago, or 20 years ago. But that's just so long, Corey, that makes no sense. Why would we even bring that up? That's gotta be that woman, Julie Roy. She's bringing it up, right? She has to, she's out here. She's got a bullseye. She's got a dartboard with John MacArthur's face in the middle of on the bullseye. She's got a vendetta against him. She has a desire. She's got to axe the grind, and she wants to grind it in John MacArthur's back. Well, let's just, for the sake of this, say it's true. Let's say it's true. Now I'm not saying it's true, I'm not saying it's false. Again, I've never spoke with Julie Roy's. I've seen a couple of the interviews, and I did see this past weekend's interview when she was on Sacred Woods broadcast, and I know she also did one with Ruslan. I didn't find her to be not credible. Now, I did say that the time on the lavish lifestyle of him or the prosperous life, I didn't see the issue there. I didn't. I thought that maybe she might've been searching for a story, but she might've been right. I could be wrong. But I'm trying to be fair here. I'm not trying to get into her mind and look into her heart and see her motives. I don't know. But let's say for the sake of everyone who wants to impugn her integrity. Let's say she is wrong. Does that mean the story is wrong? So there are times where even a person with bad motives makes an accusation against you and the person is correct. So that doesn't absolve you of your issue, your role. So let's put that aside, guys. We're gonna judge what was stated and then go with that. First of all, if Julie Roy's motives are your defense, you have no defense. I wouldn't care if Julie Roy is right now, is in a car at a stakeout outside of John McCarthy's that would not excuse him of any wrongdoing. Get away from the fact that the person who brought this to light, because what we did not do is once the secular community got a hold of what Ravi Zacharias did or what Karl Lentz did or Eddie Long did, we didn't even, why do you think CNN is running this about Eddie Long? Why are they talking about Ravi Zacharias? We didn't impugn their motives. And so don't do the same for her. Now, I don't know anything about Julie Roy's. I don't know if she's doctrinally sound. I don't know if she's a heretic. I don't know anything about, I don't know if she's the most godly woman on the planet. I do not know. And I've said before, every preacher is gonna make a mistake. They're gonna say something wrong, do something wrong. Right. Every single one. That's why I'm doing the whole little series, the right and wrong of so-and-so. Yeah, man. If you all think that Bodhi Bachman don't mess up and then get rid of your Bible. Yep. If you all think that John McCarthy doesn't mess up, get rid of your Bible. If you all think that Paul Washer or whoever else doesn't mess up, if you all think that Paul in the Bible doesn't mess up, if you think that Peter doesn't mess up, then what in your Bible? You ain't reading that. Right, right. If you think that Jesus doesn't mess up, ah, that's different. He's the only one. Exactly. He's the only one. And so when you guys get to idolize them, I don't idolize them. Yes you do. Yes you do. You couldn't even listen to an accusation against a person. Well, I think we're rushing the judgment. Didn't John McCarthy? I think we need more details. Well, did he get all the details or did he make a knee jerk response off of these people? Sound like he had more details than we know about. So I'm also okay. I can't wait for Julie to have her next report. We really expect the pastors and the church, even though we don't think that they should. We actually do expect them to make. Yeah, and Julie Royce, she does have an axe to grind. That doesn't necessarily mean that what she said was true. I mean, or it was true or false. Actually, am I a fan of, Joe, am I a fan of Julie Royce? No, I think she clearly has an axe to grind. Does that mean that what she says is wrong? Everything that she says is wrong? No, I don't think that. I don't think so either. But now, do I think that her doctor, clearly not. ["Axe to Grind"] Ax to grind. To have an axe to grind. This is from College Dictionary. To have an axe to grind is an idiom used to describe someone who is doing something for selfish reasons. For selfish reasons. Yeah, that's him on tape. That sure is. You are silly, Ashley. And Pune has it here again. The Free Dictionary. Second definition to have a personal motivation or selfish reason for saying or doing something. So the question I'm asking, how does Corey know this? How does Corey know that she has an axe to grind? But Corey said in 2022 that she didn't. Now in 2023, she does. But ladies and gentlemen, we have no proof. We have no proof. None. We have no evidence from my brother to prove that she has an ulterior motive, that she has an ulterior motive for why she's doing what she's doing other than what she's already doing. And we take it at face value. I'm just, I'm, Corey? Sir? I mean, you're, yeah, I know. We got to use the Corey revised dictionary. Yeah, we got to use the Corey revised dictionary. Because his definition is the only one that matters. Especially on his channel. Secondly, I said that what happened with Julia, I mean, not Julia Roy, but Eileen Gray at Grace Community Church was wrong. The elders that handled it, they were wrong. MacArthur's handling it was wrong. My initial knee-jerk response, he's got to go. I came back a few days, few weeks later, and I said, you know what, I was a bit harsh. So let me just say that he's wrong, needs to make it right. I said it would be preferable if he gave a public statement about it. He didn't have to, but a public statement, that's that. Leave it at that. But I said, am I calling for his head? And I mean literally, I mean literally, a week after I make this statement, a week after I'm not calling for his head, I shouldn't do that. And I make other videos about it. I make other, y'all remember, let me do this. Y'all remember other, where is it at? Let's go over here. So you all can hear me saying in my own words that I'm not calling for the man's head. And then we'll move on. And then we'll move on. Let's go to YouTube. All righty, this is, by the way, if you see at the bottom, it says private. All right, so let's play it. They do a wonderful job dealing with it. All right, let's make this a little faster, because I don't want to. Joy for salvation. Wait a minute. Now, do I think that that disqualifies him, particularly as a pastor? No, I do not. Again, while there's a high barrier, a high standard for a pastor to reach, the standard does not approach perfection. Now, I don't know if you heard that or not. I literally say it at that moment, and this was back in 2022, that I'm not asking for him to do that. Now, and some people are saying, well, but Corey, okay, fine. Corey, who said you were asking for this man, asking for this man's head? You see, y'all see the gaslighting? You hear the deflection? No one that I know said that you were asking for this man's head. Nobody. What we're asking you, Corey, is why are you flipping? And here's another question. Why you got the video private, bro? And here's another question I want to ask you. How do I know that that video was made at the time that you said you made it? How do we know that video ain't hot off the grease? How do we know that you're not trying to do damage control? How do we know because it's private? So now you're leaving it more suspect. I mean, bro, I'm not convinced. Why are you making your video private? Especially that one. And on top of that, couldn't you have already made your statement clear? Now, here's the thing. You didn't contact me. You know I've been doing videos in MacArthur ever since you were an inmate. So you come out, you see what I'm doing, making videos in MacArthur. None of my viewers can be refuted. You do a video after you and I did a video demanding, you demanded. I didn't even demand anything. You were basically the mouthpiece. You were demanding, you were on my channel and put it on my channel. You're calling for all the reform community. You demanding that John MacArthur step down, that he be removed from the pastoral office. You said that. Nobody put a gun to your head and made you say that, Corey. You said it on your own, out of your own free will. You said that, bro. Now you're flipping. And now you don't wanna answer anybody's questions because unless you say it, unless they're on your side. No, no, no. All of us are on the side of God. If you are a Christian, Corey, and I'm trusting that you are. So brother, you are under obligation to give an answer and respond why you have flipped and your support for John MacArthur. And we know you flipped because we already heard the call. And on top of that, you're somebody you're trying to show MacArthur grace. Why are you showing a man who's guilty grace but not those who have abused the innocent? Where's the grace you're probably giving to Eileen Gray and to these other abused victims? Why are you caping for abusers and not the abuse? I'm confused, bro. Don't be a pastor. Please don't. You're not even qualified to be honest with you. You're not. You don't meet the qualifications. Now I know it's debatable. It's in-house debate, depending on how long the offenses and all that kind of stuff go. But you can't say nothing about John Gray there. You can't say anything about John Gray. You can't say anything about Carl Lentz. You can't say anything about any of these preachers because you don't want to say it that you are a pastor, which means you are a Christian when you did this stuff. Are you forgiven? Of course, God forgave you. Of course, God forgave you if you confess and repent of it. Yes, absolutely. But the problem that I have and others have with what you're saying is that you don't even admit and can't even acknowledge the fact that you're saying that you've been vindicated, that God vindicated your prison time. No, he didn't. He gave you mercy, bro. But we've already discussed that already. So I'm not trying to go into that. But why don't you release the video? Why are you making it private? Again, Proverbs 28.1 sounds familiar to me. The wicked flea when no one pursues. But the rights of the boat is a lion. But you have made statements, brother. You have. You have. Nobody said that you were asking for John McArthur's head on the platter. What we are saying is that you demanded, and rightly so, rightly so, you demanded that John McArthur step down because he's not qualified to be a pastor. And if this were anyone else, we would have said the same thing. But now you flipped. You flipped a year later. Amazing what happens in the course of a year when you were around the mob in Justin Peters. See, I saw a video. I won't name the name of the person because, and we'll talk about this later, but a video that stated, I think the title was when the wolves attacked the shepherd. No, no, no, bad title. Bad title. The guy was, he talked about, he had the thumbnails up about, let's see, I think it was Ruslan, about, with Seiko Woods thumbnail and some other people who had thumbnails up about this whole incident. And he called them haters. One, you couldn't put my thumbnail up there because, again, you're not gonna ever be able to say that I'm a hater of John McArthur. You just not. So when you state certain things, that one of their haters, that's a problem. That's a huge problem. But when you say that when wolves attack the shepherd, no, what about when the shepherd allows a wolf to attack? What about when the shepherd doesn't defend a sheep from a wolf? Defend a sheep from a wolf. Defend a sheep from a wolf. That's your job. That is your job as a pastor, as the church elders, the leadership. That's your job. You can't call the other people for saying, hey, wait a second, what's going on here? Because, guys, there's a bigger lesson. There's a bigger lesson, I'll talk about this later on, why this is so important. It's not about just dealing with this one church's failure in church leadership and protecting them. No, there's two big lessons and we are missing them. God bless Eileen Greenhill. That is, if what, and I'm saying if, I don't know, if what Julie says is true and I have no reason to believe, but if she said, what she said is true, that's an awesome woman. That is the way she handled things. That is an awesome woman. If what Julie Roy said is true, every single person on the elderboard, and I guess one was a pastor now, you got to go. Absolutely, absolutely. John MacArthur, if what was said is true. Yeah. And there is no other side of the story, even if John MacArthur did not know, even if what she said is true, you didn't meet with the woman, that's bad. Right. And if you did not know, that's bad, no. If what she said is true, you have to go. That's you on tape. All right, Cory. I don't think I need to say anything about that. I'll let you continue on digging your own hole. What else am I in sin for? Now, I'm in sin, I'm all this stuff or whatever. Listen, what have I changed on? Other than nothing. Other than nothing. Now, the reason why, because now it's, and the reason why I'm addressing it, because now it's coming over here, and I don't want you guys, because you may, hey, Cory, what about? Fine, fine, because I've always said that if you guys ask me a question, I'll answer it. I won't change that. Now what's going to happen? 12 more videos are going to get made, which I don't care, but I don't care. I don't care. Okay, well, you don't care, that's fine. I mean, I would like for us to just move on. I would really prefer, Cory, you stop talking. If you had an attorney, if you had an attorney, I think your attorney would tell you to stop talking, even if he was a software one. I think he would probably tell you, yeah, bro, it's time for you to stop talking. When I make a statement, Cory, you don't care about anybody but your daughters. Whatever, whatever, if that's what you think. I have no skit, whatever, whatever. So would you go to Gray's Community Church if Eileen Gray was your daughter? Would I go to Gray's Community Church? Well, see, that's why you can't answer a question, because that would affect me personally. Now I've got some skin in the game. It's like the guy that jumped on my daughter or did something to violate my daughter. Could I sit on the bus right beside him? No. Could you? Yes. Why? See, what we do sometimes is we wanna make the emotional argument and then that governs. That would be hard for me. I mean, let's not treat my, I look at my daughters as though they're gold. Now, do I look at your daughters the same way I look at my daughter? No. There's four billion other daughters on the planet. I don't look at them the same way I look at mine. I don't think we have to go into this anymore to know where Corey stands. It's clear. It's clear where you stand, Corey. It is clear where you stand. All I'm doing is dropping the receipts that you've made available for us to use against yourself. That being stated, guys, and I'm not gonna shy away because this person's gonna, he's gonna make what he's gonna make, he's gonna do what he's gonna do. I haven't told anyone not to follow this person, not to go unsubscribe, not to, in those things. Guys, we need to be godly in all that we do. If you think that I've committed some damnable heresy, I need to go to hell, I need to repent, fine, fine. If you say so, if you say so. Meanwhile, I'm gonna stay consistent in saying that we should talk. I'll call you up, you have nothing to say, but you make videos. Amen, if that's your tag. All the guys that you bring on your channel to say, Corey this, Corey this, Corey this, they could have called me. They didn't, they have my number. Amen. Some men do things differently. Some don't, and I'll leave that back. Amen, amen. Corey, why does somebody have to call you publicly for something that you did? I mean, so why does somebody have to call you privately for things that you've done publicly? I'm just asking, you didn't contact me when you made your videos about John McArthur defending him. You didn't consider the collateral damage that that would have caused the body of Christ by you flip-flopping like a dolphin, like a fish out of water, like a folding lawn chair, like an umbrella in the wind. You don't think that none of that, that your actions didn't cause or create any of this pushback that we're dealing with right now today. You don't think your actions has nothing to do with this situation right now. But you want me and others to call you about stuff that you clearly said. Clearly said, why? Why? It wouldn't change anything. It wouldn't change a thing. So why should we be under obligation to call you about something that you didn't feel no obligation to call us about? These same men, you know, these same men that have your number, you didn't contact me, you didn't contact Drake, you didn't contact Xerix, you didn't contact Dan, you didn't contact Scott, you didn't contact us. In fact, you said on the call, the reason why you did the video on John McArthur is because you wanted to. Well, brother, didn't that, there it is. Case closed, my brother. You did what you wanted to do, and I did what I had to do. I'm about to let you sit and deceive people and have people thinking that now it is okay to defend sin. When just a year ago, with biblical information, with biblical fact and biblical proof, that John McArthur was not qualified to be a pastor. You presented biblical evidence, no one, and I do mean no one argued against that of any sense because there would have been a fool to do so. But now a year later, you flop and you flip and you backpedal and you retract your answer and your position regarding a man who is not qualified to be a pastor. And this time you present no information, no evidence, but what you did say on that call is there are people on the other side who have information, who are these people? We know who the people are, it's protested, it's the mob, David Morrill, no Morrill, Justin Peters, who you've been talking to, who's been on your channel. We're not dumb, Cory. Have you really changed your prison mentality? I gotta go there. Have you really changed your prison mentality, brother? Because this sounds like prison behavior. Have you really repented from the gaslighting and the mind screwing and the manipulating of other people? I mean, you just got out of prison not that long ago and God has graced you to earn a living online. And brother, let me just tell you, if you are taking advantage of people and trying to come up, what does it profit a man to gain all the subs and lose his soul? You want people to operate based on your preference instead of you obeying God's precepts. I would have preferred, Cory, that you have not done that video on John McArthur because it would have saved us a lot of trouble and problems and conflict and strife and division that Cory, you caused. I didn't cause the division, I'm dealing with it. See, all of this, Cory, is your fault. Now, your people can blame me all they want. Fine, bring the receipts, bring the proof. I'm responding to public videos publicly, period. And when I did put my video out and I emailed you, you said on the call, you got it, but you weren't gonna respond because you want me to call you, Cory, and have to call you. You didn't call me, you didn't call anyone else. So why should we have to call you? Keep that same energy, brother. You knew what you did, and that's why you did it. You didn't care about how this was gonna affect the body. You didn't care about how this is gonna be confusing and now people are gonna be divided. Yeah, 45 minutes of Jake McWorship followed by shaming those who could take the pope. That's you, bro. Look at the man in the mirror, ask yourself the question. Yes, he did, dear. He exposed himself, he put it on himself. He put it on himself. You did that, Cory. I didn't do that, you did it. It's possible, it's possible. Time will tell, time will tell. I pray it isn't, but time will tell. Time will tell. Whether it's Justin or Pretus, how'd you do it, Cory? He was on his channel, they talk, they're cool with each other. Justin Peters is a caper. He's a suck up for John MacArthur. He's a fan boy, that's why. Yeah, he's definitely not beyond say he can be, yeah. We pray to God we'll grant him repentance. Because yes, this is sin. This is compromise, this is hypocrisy, and he needs repent. No, Cory does not have every right to feel the way he does. Now when he's making how he's feeling public for people now to be deceived, when you start making statements publicly, you lose that right now. Now you're responsible. We need to make sure we understand the difference between the two. I don't have the right to deceive anybody. I don't have the right to gaslight people. I don't have the right to take advantage of people because I can. This is taking advantage of people who trust us, who trust the platforms that we have been entrusted with. And some of y'all need to stop playing games and deal with the issue at hand. So you don't think contacting a man you call friend first probably before trying to expose him in front of thousands of people is the way? No, no. Here's the question Marcus, Marquise. Did Paul do that with Peter? Have you read the story of Galatians 2 verse 11 to 14? Marquise, can we go there for a second and we'll wrap it up? Let's wrap it up. We're gonna wrap it up with this verse. You need to ask Corey, did he think about contacting people before he did what he did? Because he said he just did it because he wanted to do it. Okay, no problem. I didn't sin. Corey did. He did it publicly. He got corrected publicly. Galatians 2 verse 11, let's go there real quick. But when Cephas came to Antioch, I opposed him to his face because he stood condemned. For prior to the coming of certain men from James, he used to eat with the Gentiles, but when they came, he began to withdraw and hold himself aloof, fearing the party of the circumcision. The rest of the Jews, hope you listening to this, Marquise. Marquise, are you there? You there, Marquise? For prior to the coming of certain men from James, he used to eat with the Gentiles, but when they came, he began to withdraw himself or withdraw and hold himself aloof, fearing the party of the circumcision, excuse me. The rest of the Jews, verse 13, the rest of the Jews joined him in hypocrisy with the result that even Barnabas was carried away by their hypocrisy. Marquise, what's the sin? What was Peter's sin, Marquise? What was Peter's sin that caused Paul to rebuke him before the presence of all? What was his sin, Marquise? What was the public sin? What was the sin? What was the sin? Answer, taking too long. Hypocrisy, hypocrisy. That was a sin, sir. In verse 14, the Bible says, but when I saw that they were not straightforward about the truth of the gospel, I said to Cephas, that is Peter, and the presence of all. If you being a Jew live like the Gentiles and not like the Jews, how is it that you compel the Gentiles to live like Jews? He confronts him for the sin of hypocrisy. His influence caused people to be led astray. That's why. So no, no. Paul didn't pull Peter to the side and rebuke him privately for a public sin and neither did I. And oh, by the way, by the way, I didn't even have this in the queue, but John McArthur holds to the same position as well. Remember, we deal with Tony Evans. See, y'all want me to hold to a standard that even the evangelical pope himself doesn't hold to, that Cory Minor is caping for. John McArthur told Tony Evans, hey man, I can't protect you. You got it in the book, you said it, you did it, that's it. 2003, Shepard's conference, general session number eight, questions and answers by John McArthur, look it up. John McArthur outed his own friend publicly, even did a sermon about him on trans dispensationalism. He said, man, I can't protect you. You put it in the book, you said it, you did it, that's it. Now, take it up with Daddy Mack. Don't take it up with me. Don't take it up with me. Amen, liberating truth. And scripture has that for us to read for a reason, exactly. Everybody wants to talk about, everybody wants to deal with them privately, but they act in the food publicly. No, deal with them publicly. So the rest will be able to see in fear. Isn't that what Paul tells us about the elders who sin? He says, we're buking the presence of all. So the rest will be fearful. You better stop reading your Bibles. I'm done, I'm done. We done. Please like, subscribe, share. Like, subscribe, and share this video. Thank you all, appreciate it. Thank you moderators, hold it down. Support the ministry if you'd like to. If you feel that too, you can do so by clicking the donation link below at the bottom of the video or by what is ticket across the screen. Also, BCV merchandise, you can do that as well. We'll appreciate that. We have over 700 people watching right now. Ain't that something? 144 that are watching on YouTube, but over 700 that are watching on other streams. Interesting, ain't it? But I thank you all nonetheless, I appreciate it. Thank you all for watching, I hope you have learned something. Thank you blazing torch, thank you so much. I appreciate it, thank you, thank you, thank you. And it's not wrong, just say you wouldn't do it that way. Come on, dear, come on. Come on, let me get my dear. I gotta get my honey. My golden graham. That's it, that's it. You just wouldn't do it that way. Then don't do it that way. Don't violate your contract, but don't tell me to violate mine. Anyway, I'm done y'all. I am finished, just under two hours, a minute or so. But I appreciate the encouragement, appreciate the prayers. Let's pray for those who are in Allen, the Allen Mall, pray for the families and those who have been affected, who have lost loved ones, pray for God's grace and comfort to be their strength and their abundant portion. And we do really mean that. But then with that is my time. I thank you all so much for yours. Y'all know the drill, whatever you do, do all to the glory of God. God bless. Mama, I love you. P-O-P, I only die. Pray these all good pimps boy, baby.