 Why is the Secretary of State a partisan position? You both have professional backgrounds that are very nonpartisan, right? I'm Secretary Benson, you were Dean of a law school. Secretary LaRose, you're a decorated veteran, right? Nonpartisan, why is this position partisan? And would the electoral process be better served if the elections to Secretary of State were run with absent party affiliation? Well, interestingly, I think this is a really important question, and you also have this question of how do we choose our Secretaries of State? Should they be appointed by the governor? Should it be a board of elections like you have in Wisconsin, an appointed governor's position like in Florida and Pennsylvania, or elected position like you have in Michigan and Ohio? And what I actually wrote about this issue in my book, and this gets Professor back to your previous point about, can you both make it easier to vote and harder to cheat? I actually define nonpartisan election administration, which I think can be pursued by an elected Democrat or Republican Secretary of State through that vector, that every time you do something to expand access to the vote, you're correspondingly also doing something at the same time to increase the security of the process. And that is, it's a good public policy move and you make data-driven decisions in that vein. But when you look at Secretaries of State and try to evaluate those who seek to have a nonpartisan approach to this office as we have, it's Secretaries who strike that balance as many of our colleagues have worked to do and then also make data-driven decisions and steer clear of partisan agendas and political approaches to things. It's not easy to survive in a political ecosystem where we do have to get elected through a partisan process when you're simply just trying to do your jobs as a professional. But I found, in my view, the person really, and if you have the nonpartisan background that you just spoke about, it's the person who occupies the position that can ultimately define it as nonpartisan even if they're elected through a partisan process. And that's what I've tried to do. I know Secretary LaRose has worked in that end as well. I agree with Secretary Benson that it is the person who holds the office, not the letter that comes after their name that really matters. We take this oath of office. We aren't wearing a red jersey or a blue jersey. We effectively put on the referee stripes. And I think that really around the country we've got a lot of very good secretaries of state and other chief elections officials, even those that are elected very clearly on a partisan ticket who do the job in a very nonpartisan way. And there are a few exceptions here and there, but it really genuinely is one that most secretaries carry out in a truly right down the middle manner. I also think that trying to force this idea that you're gonna have a nonpartisan person doing it really just requires somebody to conceal their partisanship. I mean, let's be honest, anybody that's gonna devote their professional life to this work is probably going to have an affiliation with one of the two major political parties or at least a leaning or a set of ideological beliefs that aligns them with one of the two major political parties. So why force people to conceal that just so that we can say this is a nonpartisan person? You can elect a principled Republican or a principled Democrat to do this job and to do it well. And I think that Jocelyn and I have found a good balance on that in that we've done some work together to make sure that people in our state know that she's a Democrat from Michigan and I'm a Republican from Ohio. You would think that the two of us could never agree on anything based on that, but we actually have a great partnership on the fact that the work that we do is not about partisanship in any way and the commitment that we've both made to not endorse candidates, for example, not to speak at rallies, that kind of thing. I think that's important in that regard as well. Yeah.