 Obviously you have hit a nerve because of what unfolded during the COVID years, and you know, it was something that I was disturbed by a lot of COVID policy, including the implementation and mandating of the vaccines, although not necessarily their creation. I also think vaccines on net save a lot of lives, whether we are talking about the COVID vaccine or something like measles, which I'm just going to pull this slide up real quick. This is showing the measles vaccine being licensed in 1963. All these sources will be in our description and on our webpage. But then you see after the licensure, the measles cases drastically decline. It was basically eliminated in the US by the year 2000 and then started coming back as people got complacent, stopped vaccinating so much. And then by 2019, there were up to over a thousand cases. And these outbreaks occurred in places where, unsurprisingly, under vaccinated communities, communities that objected to the vaccines for religious reasons and so forth or political reasons. So that is my concern. It's that I think some of your critiques of what happens during the COVID years are totally legitimate, but I worry that your rise in elevation is going to possibly accelerate the return of more diseases that heretofore have been eradicated. What do you say to an independent voter like me who's in that mindset and who's voted for Republicans, who voted for Democrats, voted for libertarians before, but has this concern hanging over my head? I mean, I'm not very vaccine. I never have been. If you show me a vaccine that works and that makes people healthier. The MMR vaccines don't work. Well, I would like to see data that show that people, I would like to see a vaccinated versus unvaccinated study that show that people who get the MMR vaccine are in our healthier, a decade later. How do you explain this graph? You said many things that are a part of the industry propaganda. One is that vaccine that those later rises in vaccination and measles come from unvaccinated individuals, come from the complacency, but vaccination rates have gone up continuously. There's no time in our country that vaccination rates have dwindled, have gone lower. So they continue to go. So there's not a time when they went lower than those that suddenly you see. You can look at isolated communities for a variety of reasons. It is slipping down. This is an article showing that kindergarten vaccination rates have been dropping, especially it started in 2019, but post COVID it's still very high. It's in the high 90s, but it's gone from like 95 to 93%. What I think the science shows about vaccines is that these numbers, we don't really know what the threshold is, but once you start getting below 90 and 85, then that's when as a parent of young children, I start to get pretty nervous that we're going to have outbreaks. Can I answer you? Yes. Okay. Number one, you have to check in those outbreaks to see whether the kids who are getting the measles are actually unvaccinated and what strain it is. For example, in the Disneyland strain, we know that at least 36% of the kids who got measles were vaccine strain measles. What we're seeing is the vaccine wanes and after 20 years, there's extreme waning. Oh, the vaccine has not been around that long. When the generation that got measles like myself dies off, you're going to see a lot of me return to measles. Now, measles mortality used to be tremendous to our country. Oh, it used to yield tens of thousands of children a year. Prior to 1964, prior to the introduction of the vaccine, that mortality dropped off. I think the year of the vaccine, it was down to about 200 or 300 people a year. Almost all those children were mountain artists, the deaths from measles. So the deaths from measles were declining anyway. And there's a study that the CDC did in 2000 and it was published in, I think, Pediatrics and they did it with Johns Hopkins. And they asked the question, did vaccines contribute to this dramatic decrease in mortalities among American children that happened in the 20th century? And after looking at all the data, they came back and said, no, the vaccines had almost nothing to do with it. What was responsible for those decline in mortalities was the engineering solutions. It was better nutrition, coordinated water, better hygiene, good food, et cetera, and lower density housing. So now then there's the other question. Is it beneficial to get measles on your kid? Is that beneficial? I speak as a survivor of measles, mumps, and chickenpox among other childhood diseases that no longer exist. And me too. So, you know, for example, in Europe, they don't allow the chickenpox vaccine. We make it here. And why don't they allow it? Because if you give kids chickenpox vaccine, you're much more likely to get shingles when you're older. And we now have the vaccine. That's exactly wrong, right? It's like if you have the chickenpox as a child, you're more likely to get shingles. Or the vaccine. If we have wild chickenpox, what the wild chickenpox did is every two years it would come back. And if you got it when you were a kid, when it came back, it functioned as a booster. So you would never get shingles. The people who used to get shingles were people who were isolated from children. So they attended when I was young. Shingles was associated with old curmudgeons who never went near kids. If you were near kids and you got that exposure, you wouldn't get shingles. So now that we've eliminated that annual, the biannual booster that people got, we now have a shingles epidemic. And, you know, the CDC did a study. In fact, the scientists, they did an extensive five or 10-year study in Antelope Valley, California by a scientist, an NIH scientist, contract scientist called Gary Goldman. And he predicted, he said, if you do this vaccine, this mass vaccination, we are going to have massive shingle epidemic in 10 years. And that's exactly what happened. And if you go on NHS website today, the National Health Service in England, it will say on that website, on the homepage, we do not mandate the chicken box vaccine because it causes shingles epidemics. Now with measles, there are lots and lots of studies out there. So if you got measles as a kid, you're much, you are, you have a heightened immunity against certain kinds of cancers, against atopic disease, against cardiac disease and allergic disease when you get older. So having those childhood diseases, which were essentially rashes in many cases, you, and we're, you know, self-limiting and set harmless to almost all children, it immunizes you and it builds your immune response in the future against all kinds of really bad disease that actually kill you. There's also, you know, real risks of, you know, bad outcomes for all these diseases, whether they are measles, mumps, and rubella. And, you know, it is hard to look at charts like the one I put up before or this one that has to do with polio that has a similar story. 1955, I have marked here is where the vaccine was licensed polio plummets. We know polio and even more severe disease that I would hope none of us would want to see come back. And so I guess first I'll just ask you, you know, are you worried about something like polio? And then secondly, what is, what would be your policy approach to these vaccines? Would you actually allow people to continue get it, people who want the vaccines to still get them or would you ban some of these vaccines outright? No, I would, yeah, I'm not, I wouldn't, I don't, I won't mandate vaccines. If anybody wants to get a vaccine, you get it. What I'll do is I'll make sure we have good science, that's all, and then let people make up their own minds. And by the way, 80% of the polio cases on earth today, according to the WHO, are vaccine strain polio. That means people got it from vaccinated people. Can I just to draw them, because I think those cases are extremely low, as you can see by this chart. So if it's 80%, it's 80% of a very small number. Worldwide polio is almost eradicated. So just, you know, can I, can I just zero in on a point? It is eradicated in the United States, but it's not eradicated around the world. And as I said, WHO, it is a killer around the world. And according to WHO, 80% of it is vaccine strain. Can I ask you would make sure the science is solid? What would be your method for doing that? I saw a recent report from Anna Merlan from the, from Vice, who watched your recent health policy summit. I couldn't find the, the recording to review myself. So this is her reporting. She said that you would be actually, you said you would be actually issuing executive orders from the Oval Office to kind of shape health policy and also kind of target medical journals that you felt had, I don't know, been captured. Is that an accurate characterization to your, what your approach would be to health policy from the Oval Office? Yeah. My, my approach will be to appoint good people who will actually do safety science. There's not one of the 72 vaccine doses now mandated for American children that have ever been through a placebo controlled study, pre-licensure. That's outrageous. Every medicine has to go through a pre-licensing safety studies, the vaccine. So the only ones that are exempt and we're mandating them for healthy children. And all I'm saying is let's do a real safety study so that we know the risk profile on these products. We know what the benefits are and then give people the real, you know, that real information. And we can't do that today because we do not have the safety. Why are we giving rotavirus vaccines? How many lives to those say? Can I ask, can I ask with, you know, in a RFK FDA, drugs now currently, you know, cost a billion to $2 billion to bring to market a decade or more, would drug approval be easier or harder? And what has been the role of pharmaceuticals in increasing health and lifespan over the past 50 years? Pharmaceutical drugs. I mean, again, the only, the only studies that we have on that are the McKinley and McKinley's and 77 and the two... Well, would an FDA, would your FDA... Let me answer that question. Peter Gosho is the founder of the Cochrane Collaboration, which is the most prestigious group of independent scientists, 30,000 scientists who review clinical data for the pharmaceutical industry has done a recently issued a report that show that pharmaceutical drugs are now the third biggest killer in America after, after heart attacks and cancer. So no, I do not intend to make it easier to get drugs to market. I think that drugs should have drugs that are, that have a, have a some special, whether, you know, situation where there's people dying that they should be made available to them. But no, I don't, I, what I think we should be doing is looking at public health and we should be looking at all forms of helping public health and boosting people's immune systems, not just pharmaceutical products and not just pharmaceutical solutions. We, we now have, because of the way that things are done in this country, because of the corruption of these agencies, we now have the sickest population on earth. We have the highest chronic disease rate of any country. Why is it that we had 16% of the COVID deaths in this country? We only have 4% of the world population. It's because our people are so sick and we've done such a miserable job at building public health. You know, we pay more for medicine than any country in the world. We use more of it and Americans are the sickest. We're 79th in the world in terms of health outcome. We're behind Mongolia, behind Cuba. We are not doing it right. We need intervention and we need people to come in with a new way of doing things in those agencies. And to be, to be clear, just to fall, to get an answer to that earlier question, you would be using your executive power, executive orders to accomplish that goal, to make it harder for certain drugs to make it to market or certain. I didn't say that. What I said is I want good science. I want to keep a controlled trials that show that these drugs actually work, not the kind of corrupt trials that we've had today. Okay. Well, you did say that it would be harder to bring drugs to market. Well, I said, in some cases, it may be harder to bring up the market. I don't think, let me go back and say, I don't intend to make it more difficult for it to bring up the market. I think some of the, I do think that we need to look at the fast track approval process because it doesn't make any sense to me that 50, almost 50% of FDA's budget is now coming from the pharmaceutical industry. Do you think that the COVID vaccine, which we're in agreement, should not have been mandated across society for all ages, regardless of circumstance. But do you believe that on net it saved lives, that it prevented people from dying of COVID? I think that, I mean, according to its own, you know, the Pfizer clinical trial data, the vaccine saves one life for every 22,000 vaccines administered from COVID, one life. And it takes four lives from cardiac arrest. So, and then, you know, so that's one data point. I have a whole book of data points that I called died suddenly that shows all of them, the massive data points that indicate that the vaccine actually caused more problems than it averred. So, and I'll just give you this one data point to listen to, to think about. And this isn't just positive, but there's many up there, many that I think are. We are one of the most vaccinated COVID vaccinated countries in the world, and we had the highest death rate in the world from COVID. Haiti, which had a 1%, 1.4% vaccination rate, had a death rate one-two-hundredth of our country. Nigeria, which had a 1.3% vaccination rate, had a death rate one-two-hundredth of our country. If you look at the, at look at nation by nation and go through the Johns Hopkins data, which is all graphed in the first page of our book, you'll show that the real deaths came following vaccination, the excess deaths, and that's exactly what the Pfizer clinical trial predictive had. Yeah, I will say that, you know, comparing across countries like this, you have to take into account things like demographics, age, health status, so it's really hard to do that. What we can say is, you know, I'll just pull up, this is the COVID weekly death rate by vaccination status. All ages in the U.S., that orange line at the top shows unvaccinated compared to vaccinated and vaccinated with booster. And I mean, it's hard to dispute that a lot of people who would have otherwise died from COVID looking at that probably lived because of the vaccine. So again, you've got your book, you've got your footnotes, we've got some slides we pulled up today, we've got notes to sources and people can, you know, sort these things out. But I just, you know, want to make the case that it's possible to be critical of the way that the government approached this and kind of the heavy handedness with which some of the COVID vaccines were mandated while accepting that there were some serious benefits as well. And that's where I stand with this at the end of the day. I'm happy to show you graphs that show the opposite. And I'm happy to show you the public data that, you know, is generally acknowledged now that there was not a greater death rate among the vaccinated than the, that the greater death rate, the higher death rates were among the vaccinated. And I'll tell you one of the problems, the way that graph, the deceptions in that graph, it is the way they calculated vaccinated because the way they calculated it for that graph is that they, you were unvaccinated until two weeks after your second vaccine. Right. Cause that's when it has full protection kicked in according to the CDC. Right. But, but the big death rate, if you look at all the Johns Hopkins data, the big death rate from the vaccine and, you know, because people are getting COVID right after getting vaccinated. And the big death rates then were happening immediately after the first vaccine. So those death rates were counted among unvaccinated people, even though they were fully, but they were vaccinated. And that's what your graph, your graph is picking up that artifact. So it's actually picking up that the vaccines cause excess deaths. Well, the vaccines, you know, don't trust me, go and look at the graphs, Johns Hopkins graphs died suddenly and you will see that, yes, that is true. And I asked just as, as a general closing thought and I'm going to give you the last word here in, in a RFK America would, you know, that which is not mandatory is outlawed. I mean, like this part of, part of what we're struggling with when we, you know, when we pull back a little bit is that we seem to live in a world now where either something is mandatory or it is outlawed. And I think a general libertarian perspective is that what we want to do is give more individuals more breathing room to choose how to live, to, you know, have more autonomy in how they go about their daily business. And, you know, what is your pitch to deliver that kind of world, I guess? I mean, I think that's what I've been saying throughout. I don't intend my inclination is not to mandate things but give people a choice. You know, if somebody wants to get vaccinated, I have no problem with that. I just don't think you should mandate it and particularly for a product that has, you know, that has no insurance policy. And that carries over into a wide array of policy areas. I believe in freedom of choice, unless it's going to hurt your neighbor or, you know, it's going to hurt the comments, you know, people should be able to do what they want with as much freedom as possible. And the government should not be un-any. Hey, thanks for watching that excerpt from our conversation with Robert F. Kennedy Jr. about his run for the Democratic presidential nomination. You can watch the full interview right here or another excerpt from that right here.