 15 present. Alderman Van Akron is excused. Please stand and join me in the Pledge of Allegiance. Pledge of Allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. Next item is the approval of the minutes from our last meeting. Alderman Hammond. Thank you, Mr. Mayor. I move to approve the minutes of the previous council meeting. Second. Those minutes are before us. Is there any discussion? Seeing none, will the clerk please call the roll in the minutes? 15, yes. Motion passes. Next is council appointments. There's a document in your file, but this will lie over until our next meeting, and this is for all the election inspectors for 2014. Is there any public forum this evening? No, sir. OK. Announcements. I had the pleasure of attending the League of Municipalities meeting about a month and a half ago. And at that convention, they give out an annual award for arts in the community. And it was really a lot of fun to go up on stage and see our Sheboygan Performing Arts Association receive the statewide award. I'd like to call Chuck Krebs up to say just a few words and represent the award to him. And we've got a number of people from the different organizations that make up the Sheboygan Performing Arts Association in the back. Charles? Thank you, Mr. Mayor. Thank you. Thank you for having us. The Sheboygan Performing Arts Association began about 10 years ago. Denny Moyer was instrumental in the beginning of that. And several of our members are in the back here joining us tonight. Sheboygan Performing Arts is a collaborative association of performing arts organizations within Sheboygan County. And it is our mission to enhance and promote the vital role that the performing arts play in the economic and cultural development of the community. So on behalf of our members, I would like to thank you very much for having us and for attending this event and receiving the award. Thank you. Going on with further announcements, I'd like to thank the Monk community for the invite to speak at their New Year celebration. It was a great get-together. And we had a lot of chance to learn about Monk traditions and customs. I'd also like to thank the Sheboygan JCs for conducting the 21st annual Christmas parade and holiday tree lighting ceremony. The parade really signals the start of the Christmas season here in Sheboygan. And we have several neighborhood meetings that are planned for the Keeney Park neighborhood on Wednesday, 12.11, 6.30. And they'll be meeting at St. Paul's Lutheran School in the lower level. And then the near north neighborhood will meet on Tuesday, 12.17, again at 6.30 at First Presbyterian Church on North Fifth Street, again in the lower level. Next, we'll go on with the consent agenda. And I have to just let you know that there was a change on some of the information in there. Item 2.15, 2.16, 2.17, and 2.18 were originally supposed to lie over and all of those will be put upon their passage. Aldermen Hammond. Thank you, Mr. Mayor. I move to accept and file all ROs, accept and adopt all ROCs and put all resolutions and ordinances upon their passage. Second. It's been moved and seconded to put forth the consent agenda for approval. Is there any discussion? Is there any discussion? Will the clerk please call the roll on the consent agenda? 15 ayes. Item 3.1 will be referred to the salary and grievances committee. Aldermen Boren. Thank you, Mayor. When I sent submitted this document to the city clerk's office last week on the document that I sent to Sue Richards, I requested that I go to the salary and grievance committee and also the committee of the whole. And apparently there must have been a clerical error in the clerk's office because it doesn't show on here that I requested that I go to the committee of the whole. So I would like to have it go to the committee of the whole. Thank you for your comments, Aldermen Boren, but there was no clerical error. The chairman of the meeting made a decision that it's bad public policy or procedure to have an item go to a committee like committee of the whole where the salary and grievances committee is a subset of that. And I checked with the city attorney and he agreed with that. And we should send it to one or the other. If you'd like to change that to one or the other, you're welcome to make a motion to do that. Go ahead. I didn't understand. Who made the decision that it wasn't going to go to the committee of the whole? Your mayor did, I did. And it seems that in the past when an Aldermen wants to send in a document to a committee, it hasn't been questioned in the past. Usually the committees that the Aldermen has wanted them to go to, it has gone to those committees. I turn to the city attorney to talk about the ordinance that govern that. Yeah, there's a couple ordinance sections. I had written them down. I guess I left them in my office, but I think it's two dash 231 and two dash 232 that basically say that the presiding officer makes the decisions as far as referral of committee documents, documents to go to committees. Doesn't preclude any council member if they disagree with what the presiding officer has proposed from making a motion to have it referred to somewhere else or have it referred to additional places. But that's what the ordinance calls for is the presiding officer makes that determination and not each individual Aldermen as far as whether or not documents are referred to which committees. Well, I have no problem with it going to the Salgarian grievance committee. That's where I wanted to go in the first place. So I can make a motion to also refer to the committee of the whole. I'll make a motion to also refer to the committee of the whole. Second. It's been moved and seconded to also refer to the committee of the whole under discussion Aldermen Carlson. Thank you, mayor. I will just say that I disagree with this going to the community of the whole. I think we have standing committees for a reason. And that's we're gonna do this for every position that we have inside the city. I don't think we need to single out the one department which happens to be the fire department. I think it needs to go through the proper steps which would be sellers and grievances then back to this committee as come back to this body as a whole and it can be discussed with the entire council. Thank you. Thank you for those comments. Alderman Donahue. Thank you, mayor. I would speak against the motion. It just frankly seems like a waste of time to send it to salary and grievance and then also be talking about it in terms of committee of the whole. What Alderman Bourne is suggesting is looking at the salary schedule for the fire department and for the fire chief. And while I appreciate that, I think that the salary and grievance committee is able to take those matters under advisement. Secondly, I think it is important as we are now initiating the search for our fire chief that to the outside world, Sheboygan still looks like a good place to work. It looks like a place where people are going to want to apply and want to be considered for employment and where their salaries are not really subject to substantial controversy before a person is even interviewed for the position. So I think the referral to salary and grievance is fine. We're in the process of obtaining information regarding salaries. And you know, it really gets into how we want to take a look at how, what it means to work for the city of Sheboygan. And it is of course beyond just the salary. Certainly we can look at that salary. Now, if we're going to go to committee of the whole, then what would keep us from having a committee of the whole meeting regarding the purchase of three motor vehicle division tri-axle dump trucks with plows, solters, controls, and equipment? What, why wouldn't we just do everything that the city does within the context of the committee of the whole? Because we don't do that. This is just not the way that we do business. So I'm going to ask all other persons to vote against this resolution. The matter will be referred to salary and grievance. It'll get a fair hearing. We'll have a good discussion, I think, about not only the salary, but what it is that we expect from our fire chief and so forth. And then come back to the council as a whole with concerns, questions. Alderman Bourne will certainly have a substantial opportunity to present his position both at salary and grievance and at the council. But we don't need salary and grievance, committee of the whole, and council. It's a duplicative effort. Thank you for those comments. Any other discussion? Alderman Bourne. Thanks, Mayor. We'll all do respect Alderman Carlson. I'm not singling out a certain position. Generally when there's somebody leaving a position, whether it be the fire chief, the police chief, the DPW director, the IT director, whoever it is, after that person has been here for a period of four years, I think it's a good opportunity to review whether the new person is gonna be paid enough. Look at whatever the benefit package is. So by no means am I singling out a certain position. I just felt when I brought this forward a couple of weeks ago that after Chief Herman has been here for four years that if we are gonna review a salary and benefit package for the new chief, this is the time to do it. And if we have another opening of a department head and another two or three months, then I think that would be the appropriate time to review the salary and benefit package for that department head. So I'm not singling anybody out. It just so happens that this is a department head who's leaving us. And I think it's a good opportunity to review the salary and benefit package. Thank you. Alderman Hammond. Thank you, Mr. Mayor. And that's a great idea and something that the Salaries and Grievances Committee has charged to do. I don't know that this is something that we've really ever brought up in front of the Committee of the Whole as to a review of somebody's wage and benefit package. So I would recommend not going to the Committee of the Whole. We don't need another meeting for something that we have a standing committee already to deal with. Thank you. Is there any more discussion on referral? Seeing none, will the clerk please call the roll on referral? We're going to take a voice call. Bellinger? No. Warren? Aye. Carlson? No. Dassler? No. Donahue? No. Hammond? No. Heidemann? Aye. Herrmann? Aye. Lassard? No. Lewandowski? Aye. Penteco? No. Beale? No. Vanderweal? No. Manicheck? Aye. Mercy? Aye. Six ayes, nine noes. Fail. Motion defeated. 3-1 will be joined to salary and grievances. Item 3.2 will be referred to public works. Item 3.3 will be referred to public protection and safety. Item 3.4 will lie over. Let's see, 3.5 will also lie over. And 3.6 will lie over. Under resolutions, 4.1 will lie over. 4.2 will be referred to public works. 4.3 will lie over. Under reports of committees, report of committee by finance to whom was referred resolution number 87 of 1314 by Alderperson Hammond, authorizing a transfer of appropriations in the 2013 budget. Alderman Hammond? Thank you, Mr. Mayor. I move to accept and adopt and put the substitute resolution upon this passage. Second. Thank you for that motion and support. The motion is before us. Is there any discussion? Seeing none, will the clerk please call the roll? 15 ayes. Motion passes. Under item number six ordinances, 6.1 and 6.2 will both be referred to salary and grievances and respectively. And then the last one will go to the city planning commission. Under matters laid over. Item 7.1 is GO 42 of 1314 by Alderperson's Donahue, Dassler Hammond, and Vanderweal repealing and recreating section 29-3 of the 1975 municipal code relating to residency. Alderman Donahue? Thank you, Mayor. I would move that the ordinance be put upon its passage. Second. Thank you for that motion and support. Yeah, the motion is on the floor. Is there any discussion on the motion? Seeing none, will the clerk please call the roll? 12 ayes. Three noes. Motion passes. Next we'll go on to other matters. City attorney. 8.1 is an RO by the city clerk submitting various license applications for the period ending June 30, 2014, and June 30, 2015. That will go to law and licensing. The other two are not numbered, but one is a resolution 8.2 is the resolution approving the capital improvements program recommended by the capital improvements commission for the period 2014 through 2017 and adopting the 2014 program for implementation. That will be lie over. And 8.3 is a resolution to authorize the transfer of appropriations in the 2013 budget. That will lie over. 8.4 is a resolution committing fund balances in accordance with GASB 54 and subs of res number 44-12-13. That will also lie over. Moving on to adjournment. Motion to adjourn. Second. We're moving second to adjourn. The clerk please call the roll. 14 ayes. One noes. We stand adjourned. Thank you. Okay, thank you. Let's give him a second.