 Roger has control Monday, July 3rd. We're going to do this show early Apologies for those who showed up at 1 30 and we're like wait a minute. What happened? But it's still I third it's casual casual DT and S If we were a larger company like my wife's we'd give everyone the day off So instead of giving everyone the day off Roger and I gave everyone but ourselves the day off Because we're the only full-time employees Full-time full-time we'll take me on part-time, but yeah, I get I understand what you say I mean you're I don't know. I mean, yeah, it's really only a part-time job, but If anyone asks yes, I I know of what you speak sir. Yeah So thanks again. I felt weird because I didn't really get a chance to talk to you when we were at Nurtacular But it worked out great. So yeah, I wasn't really oh wait you meant the Nurtacular episode. Yeah. Yeah, okay I thought you meant like the M Thursday episode. It's okay. I think it went pretty well Thursday episode was great, too That that was well done. In fact, we're getting really good feedback about rich hosting Yeah, I think I just he asked for some notes and I gave them and they were really minor It was more of a you know, like getting used to it and once you're used to it Yeah, you also I don't know whether it was it might have been a combined effort I don't know how you guys pick the stories, but you gave him more stories than we normally have I Gave that because I gave him more because I wanted him to pick but also I didn't know Kind of hedging against go. Yeah. Yeah, and then I could talk to him and I kind of I Had it like three more and I killed them and then because rich was just gonna read them and go straight through them But I figured they wouldn't Content in there and then yeah, and then the Friday show was great Thought it went went really well I hope Lynn felt the same Yeah, no, I it was pretty cool I mean the only thing is like I only saw the side of your head and down to Justin so I can really get a sense of Yeah, we didn't really do a video show, but I put a camera in case you wanted to see us doing that audio show There's a better video available from Nerdtacular On the Nerdtacular channel from the back of the room, but we couldn't really pipe that one in and you know I didn't want to steal their stream But BioCal was there Dark Redeemer was there Big Jim was there We had like tons of people there Sunburn was there people in the audience. I Don't have a fancy name. I just have Roger C. Jolly Roger Yeah, but that's not my your Roger C in the chair room But you could be Jolly Roger in the chair room if you want I could but I thought people wouldn't figure it out So I just put Roger's yeah Why but magic says and we saw you levelating. Yeah Everyone I saw the behind the curtain stuff It's like when you go to a restaurant see how they actually make your food That was actually an unintended side effect once I realized that was gonna happen I'm like, well, maybe maybe people will be interested in this and I did have a few people come up and ask me questions about how How it was done and all about so All right, you ready to do this. Yes Spent in shooters All right, three two Quality content thrives through the support of those who benefit from its creation If you gain value from the Daily Tech news show consider joining others like me who provide support Learn how to help at Daily Tech news show comm slash support This is the Daily Tech news for Monday, July 3rd 2017. I'm Tom Merritt. It is a holiday for many in the United States Because we have our independence day holiday tomorrow. So a lot of folks just got Monday off, too So we gave all the contractors all the contributors the day off And it's just me and our producer Roger Chang today for a somewhat more casual Daily Tech show. Yes a little less Rigorous or not I shouldn't say rigorous a little less Relaxed as nice Little less uptight a little I literally went to 20 words. It's like beyond all those words don't really sound too nice. So Well, Roger and I are gonna talk about a new buzzword I like to do that from time to time on DTS Just kind of introduce folks to just something you may start hearing about you may not have heard about it yet You may have heard a little bit about it called the ICO the initial coin Offering versus an IPO it involves cryptocurrency. It involves blockchain Now I'm thinking about a Roger. We should have done this one Scott Johnson was here probably But let's start with a few tech things you should know Amazon has finished its 580 million dollar acquisition of souk.com SOUQ.com. It's a it's it's an Amazon for the Middle East essentially and Customers can now log on to souk.com using their Amazon ID Amazon is planning to integrate more products and services as time goes by this is very interesting because You know, typically the the markets that have been tapped are ones with I think people considered to have a large middle-class base North America Europe or Western Europe East Asia But the Middle East has is a huge a huge market And I'm wondering if this is also gonna benefit Amazon in the future because then you'll have not just business ties with other businesses in the region, but you also have a cultural understanding of how business is done in that part of Liza Lynn at the Wall Street Journal reports that Alibaba plans to introduce a smart speaker with a personal assistant for the Chinese market device I'll let you place orders on Alibaba companies like Taobao team all They are Amazon and eBay type companies themselves This looks good if I if I wanted to I'm gonna I'm gonna if you when they start adding restaurants That's gonna be even better. Oh Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's a good because delivery. Yes. Yeah, that's that's I mean I would like them to start doing that here with the Amazon echo myself Indonesia announced per kilometer price caps and price floors Which is sometimes a bigger deal for ride hailing services to bring fares closer to taxis You're not allowed to drop your price too far below what the taxis charge all cars driving for ride hailing services Must now also be licensed to a commercial entity as well Which is another hoop to jump through if you want to become a driver for uber or any of those kinds of services I just looks like it looks like another step in in kind of the regulation of that ride sharing or ride hailing Business at least you know in certain parts of the world Um, it's making it more difficult. I don't know that it's a step so much as just Indonesia is allowing it but being a lot stricter than some other places And you know, it's it's remains it's it's still cheaper than using a cab in that country But you know, you put enough hurdles and stuff at some point They start to the the the line between taxi and rather ride hailing service Well, it puts a break it puts a break on the erosion of the taxi business so the taxi Yeah, well, it's definitely it's definitely a bore to get out for the incumbent business Microsoft's Joe Belfiore says the timeline feature for Windows 10 will not arrive in the fall creators update But it should show up in the insider previews shortly after the creators update comes out If you don't remember timelines the one that lets you switch between multiple devices if you're using Qualifying apps that to be Windows Universal apps, but you can you know stop office on one device pick it up on another exactly where you left off That involves Android and iOS as well as Microsoft Microsoft also pushing reminders to all users of Windows 10 older than the April creators update to update Now before they get too far behind Yes, you want those batches? I want timeline to work with a wide range of apps, but it remains to be seen if they're gonna Initially just be Microsoft Products like I don't know it'll be interesting to see when they finally bring it to the preview update How many apps are working for it? Obviously it's early days in any case UK's information commissioners office has ruled the deep mind and The Royal Free London NHS trust failed to comply with data protection law The trust granted deep mine access to 1.6 million patient records across three hospitals without patient knowledge in Order to test a kidney monitoring app called streams that alerts doctors when a patient's condition deteriorates now You are allowed to use patient information with certain safeguards without Informing the patient if you're providing direct treatment And that's what deep mind and the national or the London a NIH trust NHS trust said they were doing they said we are providing Direct treatment with this kidney app UK's information commissioners office said no we don't think it's direct treatment You were you were testing an app and in that case you have to inform patients that you're doing it the to be fair the ICO didn't say You you you did anything horrible. They said this is a this is a good plan This is a good app. You're using information in a responsible way except for that one thing except for providing sorry, I'm It's interesting because you know the future of Mental care medical care is so dead will be so data driven that stuff like this will is just a It's gonna be the obvious result. I I'm wondering at some point Do you just like check in the hospital and you sign your name once and you agree to like a litany of things? Like kind of like a eula Well, yeah, but that's that's exactly I if I am reading this, right? That's what the ICO is saying is no You can't do that. You can't just say You agree to give over your information. You have to inform patients when their data is being used for something I don't even think you need to seek consent in this case Because it's a lid what the ICO is saying is it's a legitimate medical reason, but patients need to know They need to know like hey, your data is being used to test this kidney app. It's not going to be shared with anyone It's only going to be used in an on a mice fashion But they need to know what's being done And so the ICO has ordered the trust to establish a proper legal basis for this and any other future deals that deep mind makes Well, I'm wondering oh, that's what I'm wondering if that you essentially have a legal provision or legal framework that will allow for the You can cede once or you authorize once and it applies to everything that happens to you when you get checked in kind of thing I Feel like I'm not making it clear what the ICO is saying is you can't do that Every time you're using their data well, I know I understand that what I'm saying is from a legal perspective a government perspective Will there be will they change the law at some time will there be will there be legislation or at least framework for That allows it because you know at some point it does get kind of have hazard I I don't think so because and and what and the reason I say this I feel like the ICO is being very reasonable here They're saying we're not saying you have to go you don't you have to get them to sign off every single time If if you're if you're following the rules and being responsible, you just have to tell them You just have to send them a note say like hey your data will be used for this this test app You know you're gonna post a note on your IV Well, I mean you don't have to be an inpatient Okay, you get a post-it note around hey Bob I just want to check in on how you're doing let you know deep minds using your data The KGI et al is Ming Chi close Apple will announce three new phones in the second half of 2017 Ming Chi close Got a pretty good track record on this stuff. That's why I pay attention Ming Chi quo says three new phones second half of 2017 no surprise there That's what we've been hearing one with an edge-to-edge OLED screen with a virtual home button That's what we've been hearing, but it will not support fingerprint recognition So this is what close adding to what folks have gleaned up till now The idea had been that and we've talked about the technology from Qualcomm and someaptics and others where you could put a Fingerprint sensor under the glass Apparently that is what would be causing delays in this new iPhone that you may have heard bandied about by people Who who think they know what's going on and what quo is saying is they've decided against using that fingerprint sensor because of the The fact that they would have to delay it. So it's unclear from close note Whether he thinks they'll move the fingerprint sensor to the back or whether this new OLED version of the iPhone would have no fingerprint sensor. It will do some facial recognition and things like that but Quo expects an announcement in September of all three phones and the OLED model will probably still arrive later than the other two new models Exciting I I'm wondering if I'm really curious to know what the uptake on fingerprint scanning usage real work real work real world fingerprint scanning usage On the galaxy and iPhones it's it's it's huge people It's it's pretty much almost everybody that that uses it now unless unless you mean beyond just unlocking the phone No beyond unlocking the fire. Yeah. Yeah, okay. Yeah, I'd be curious what people like, you know We talk a lot about payments, but there are other things you can be using that that for Password managers can use it things like that that would be interesting to know how pervasive it is Outside of unlocking your phone and payments. What else are people using it? I would Because it'd be great to be able to sign for stuff that way Just fingerprint it and you you get a digital you get a digital signature When like a delivery comes to your house anything delivery or in lieu of a pin code when you're at a Point of sale and you're using a chip card, you know something where that's that's Apple Pay and Samsung pay I mean those those are an Android pay. I mean that's that that's exists right now You can sign for things that way, but other other signing things is intriguing. Yeah Especially if it needs a notary or something and you know documents and you don't want to sign What a sign here What if that becomes one of those things like album or or or or or did you tape that? Where it is totally disconnected from the reality of the situation sign here means That was interesting Sign here means put your put your thumb print. Yeah, because that I'm just thinking like If you think about it signing for things It's just a legacy of what we did or doing 300 years ago. Yeah for 200 years ago So it's it'd be not heavy it'd be kind of cool to be able to do that and and and in some cases I mean, I hope so it'd be harder to forge at least on legal legal ease doc if you're listening to the audio show one of my LED strips just Decided to release itself from its attachment to the to the fireplace. So We'll be fixing that later, but that's what that sound was Bloomberg reports its sources say Microsoft is planning to reorganize its sales force around selling cloud services. This is a change I knew it. That's that they're pushing. That's that's what they're gonna make they're gonna squeeze money from they are well and and and That is no secret such an Adela has been saying yes cloud is our future But this is the biggest move to back that up in forever, I mean Having Microsoft say to their sales people like no, no, no, don't push windows in office push Azure That's huge. I mean sales people are the ones that you know get the check signed Yeah, and and okay before you get pedantic and send me the email saying well, they're not telling them not to sell office Of course, they're said and telling them to sell office But what they're saying is prioritize office 316 prioritize Azure prioritize selling the cloud versions of services The reorganization is expected to result in layoffs. This report backs up an earlier report from the Puget Sound business journal I'm I'm curious to know how this if this plays into Microsoft's plans for the Xbox live ecosystem because I mean there's there's there's a subtle shift into that direction of of at least online services because I Mean the honest selling a game on a disc only gets you so far And if you can really sell them on a service that that you link them to for like, you know, the lifespan of their Their the console or whatever. That's huge. Yeah, that's certainly part of this as well Tesla CEO Elon Musk announced the first production model of the Model 3 sedan should arrive July 7th now That doesn't mean anybody drives off the lot with that the company plans to deliver the first 30 Model 3s at a handover party on July 28th, but it doesn't mean that they'll be done with the first one It'll roll off the production line must announce Tesla expects to be producing a hundred cars in August 1500 in September and be up to 20,000 a month by December. I want to know how well this car does I am so interested because it's one of the first affordable. I mean is the first affordable Tesla Yeah, well, yeah, I mean it's quote unquote affordable because it's my wife's Audi was cheaper than than the Model 3 But but yes, it's not it's not a hundred. There's not a six-figure car. Yes. Yeah It's below 50,000. It's 30,000. I mean part of it is my desire to see not just Tesla but other companies get into the into this space to kind of Reduce the price even further as you as you get a larger and larger volumes out there And hopefully also build up a network of charging stations. That's universal Like it isn't just tied like, you know, like a Tesla and you have to drive a Tesla to charge from it. Yeah I think Televisa owned cable vision has sued Roku because users were hacking it to watch pirated TV Roku says it's not enabling the channels distributing pirated content on its platform And it's taking them down when found but the judge has said till you fix this Roku's cannot be sold in Mexico Now that doesn't mean if a Roku's on the shelf at a store in Mexico that you can't still buy it It means you Roku can't ship anymore into stores. However The problem is that anybody can add a test channel Which is available For on Roku's to people if you give them a direct link, but there is no Roku channel store access to it So what Roku's saying is look we don't we don't put these in the store We just put these things we just have a test channel available and people are misusing our test channel and the court saying well Then fine if you're misusing the test chain if people are misusing your test channel, you need to like your test channel down more Yeah, I mean I didn't realize that was as much of an issue as as this article kind of Illuminated me too. It's it's really interesting. I mean like I mean, I guess you go after Roku but at I mean all digital platforms at some point will allow you to do something on that level and I Guess I mean who do you go after the guy that runs a reddit thread subreddit thread says buy these for me and use Bitcoin or Yeah, and what Roku Roku plans to fight this decision. Essentially what Roku saying is This is not a responsibility. You tell us this is happening. We'll stop it But to have test channels you need to have the ability for somebody to put something on our servers and Send someone a link to install it so you can make sure it works And we don't know how how much more we can really tighten that that system down But what people are doing like you said is using that test channel say, okay I'm gonna create this app that has pirated signals and I'm gonna send sell links to it I'm gonna tell people, you know, give me some money and I'll give you the link to this channel and you can get this pirated stuff and You know, they don't care if they have to if that that app gets squashed later because they're pirates And so they just move on and and sell it to the next person So I can under I'm it's very much like Cody in a way Well, you know, I would hesitate to say that Because there are people who defend Cody out there very rightly saying no, that's not like Cody But I get what you mean is that Cody says look, we're just providing software and if it's misused That's not our fault. We just created software that can be used for good or ill and yeah Roku's kind of using that same defense saying look we're creating a test system here, right? Yeah, I mean Roku does does have the the one singular difference that it has was a physical Device that it's talking Yeah, I mean I Get I get both sides of this I get the court saying look tighten up your test channel This doesn't happen. I mean there's test flight on iOS. There's there's a you know test APKs for Android There's lots of places where people don't have this problem You've seemed to be turning a blind eye to something and not doing more but it is the classic case the classic struggle these days of You your your your algorithm doesn't stop it And so we need you to take more personal responsibility in a scale where it's not easy to just have You know, there's there's plenty of these apps coming in for test all the day You you have to spend a lot of money to hire people to monitor them now that said If we're all worried about jobs going away hiring people to monitor these kinds of things that may be a viable way to go Possibly I mean I see like in a group of rows of people in the giant room Constantly look at streams click click click. Yeah, it's the people who who lost their jobs to automation Machine learning bots will be sitting there, you know doing the things that humans are still good at which is judging Whether something is legitimate or not judging just judging Hey folks, if you want to get all the tech headlines each date about five minutes subscribe to daily tech headlines Alright, well, so let's talk about what an ICO is ICO stands for initial coin offering now We're not going to give you the in-depth Analysis of how to conduct an ICO or whether it's a good investment Just want to familiarize you with a term that you may not be familiar with or maybe you've heard it in passing and are Wondering what the heck it is. There's a great great article exploring all of the ins and outs of ICO at fx empire calm And we'll have that link at our show notes if you want to find out more but essentially it's a System for funding that's different from issuing public stock and it's different from crowdfunding Because what you're doing is saying either I'm going to issue you a coin that you can use in the new economy that I'm creating So a lot of these startups that are doing ICO funding are financial tech their fintech startups Or it could be a token where you're saying look you'll participate in in this company or this company's project in some way Sometimes it involves ownership. Sometimes it involves voting rights Some of these are what you call Distribute decentralized autonomous organizations where if you buy in with a token that's part of this blockchain and and cryptocurrency like system that you'll you'll get to vote on what the company should be doing Replacing some of the things that a CEO would do and it's direct participation of the board so to speak in the running of the company But the biggest attraction to it Roger is that if you do an ICO You just have to create a blockchain You have to create your token or your coin and and when I say just I understand that that's that's not just a turnkey operation But once you do that, yeah, that's it. You don't have to go get regulatory approval You don't have to go file a bunch of complicated tax forms And so it's attractive to a lot of startups because it's it's a whole lot easier on the paperwork side I mean and as a you know as an investment vehicle I mean, what are the risks are the risks pretty much what you would have exposed you'd be exposed to in anything else like I think on the event like I said, I don't want to get too far down the road of investment But on the investment side, it is risky It is riskier than an IPO because stock markets have been around for a long time And there's a lot of safeguards and safety nets and ways to avoid fraud And ways to fight back against fraud So in in an IPO your only risk is will this company do well or not with an ICO you're risking a lot more because There's there's one underwriter there. Well, they might be more than one now, but the first underwriter just Went online in April first Bitcoin capital So there's not a lot of insurance and there's scammers out there There are scammers pretending to do ICOs just so they can take your money and they're never going to have a corporation There is a company or at least a website called ICO rating comm that attempts to identify scams and alert you to them and also even judge like companies who are legitimate Who aren't scams, but you know, how stable is this? How risky is this? But again, that's not come comprehensive and that's brand new as well And I mean, what are the crypto? What are the current crypto? currencies That I mean is just all well each one issues their own, right? So Ethereum is the most famous where Ethereum said we're gonna create ether and If you buy ether you get a certain amount of voting rights Over what Ethereum does as a company now? They had a huge hacking problem They had to reissue their currency So, you know, there's growing pains going on But but the idea was the idea with all of these is we're not we're not necessarily issuing you Other bitcoins we're issuing you we're creating our own blockchain with our own cryptocurrency Which may not even be a currency in some cases It may just be for for tracking voting rights and and influence based on how much you've invested But you buy these and and that gives you influence over the company or in some cases you're creating a new system And and when you buy in early you get more of the currency that's being used in the system an interesting one that I found With the golem project the company's goal is to build a p2p global computer network So kind of side, you know because side stepping around the way the internet works right now They would use blockchain data for handling payments in Gnt tokens those those are golems tokens And and so if you buy in and invest it in golem project You'd have a bunch of those gnt tokens which allow you to do more things on that peer-to-peer network Yeah, I'm I'm wondering if I mean it is is such a recent phenomenon. I'm curious to know Like you know, I want to know the stories who who's made who's made off well with it who hasn't you know Oh, then go go read FX empire dot com because it's got all of that information in there You know four hundred million dollars invested through ICOs in just q1. I mean there's there is money Being made there's there's nothing being invested But no, I'm not saying that there isn't but I'm I'm curious to know is it is it a pyramid scheme for some of these companies? Which undoubtedly that they will that's why we talked about ICO rating that guy because you want to try to avoid that But yeah, I'm yeah, or you know, there's also the thing of an investment bubble, right? It could could definitely be in a bubble territory Which is not to say and for people not familiar a bubble It just means there's an over-enthusiastic amount of people investing in it without necessarily having Enough financial worth all to support it and to keep it sustained Yeah, and that's why we're introducing it to you as a term and trying to help you understand what it means Not saying this is the future Maybe it is maybe it's not It certainly is another example of blockchain as a technology finding Another use and that to me is more that's to me more significant than ICOs themselves whether ICOs become A normal way companies fund themselves or are looked back as a you know Wow, remember the mid teens when people did ICOs I think that's less important than noting that this is That there are so many different ways people are exploiting blockchain I mean golem project is two of them, right? It's not only did an ICO But then it's also using blockchain to try to create a new internet For you know to oversimplify it So I think blockchain is a very disruptive technology that we're just beginning to see What people will use it for I guess the question I need to ask is Should I take my if I ever get a new job and that's all they offer As payment should I take that job? Well, I would never take a job where the only payment is the company's own issued tokens or coins unless they're super super Uh well known and profitable, but that's like being paid a company's script I mean, it doesn't sound like a good stock. Here's all the stock. I mean, it isn't you're right though It is I mean some people get paid in early days of startups. They get paid in stock So I guess it might not be that much different It's it's really fascinating. I think it's I think it's a very I think it's a very fascinating and then um curious, you know use of the technology in a financial sense and You know the thing is now you're you're marrying you're marrying the risks of the financial sector into Uh into something that before I mean, yeah, I guess you could be a currency investor, but that's I'm curious And also, you know, this this is going if this does end up continuing to be successful As a way to fund There's going to be regulation on it. There there's there's no way around it I mean, we've already seen bitcoin being recognized as a currency or bitcoin being declared a commodity as governors Governments try to wrap their head around how to regulate bitcoin because bitcoin has become something Where it is materially impacting how economies work in small ways, maybe but still enough to get the government to pay attention Ico's will be the same way if if this continues the way it's going. You'll see the government step in and say, okay Uh a a totally uninsured Tax-free way of funding yourself shouldn't exist. We're we're going to step in here and and and clamp down on this I'm and we it's it's interesting. I I'm just I think once I see it like at the level where the world bank and the imf and yeah, yeah imf Ico's bears Oh my there or even an irs Even even domestic or I guess not irs an sec Uh, if you see something like an sec step in and say hold on a minute. Uh, that that's when you know, it's arrived essentially Hey, thanks everybody participates in our subreddit you can submit stories and vote on them at daily tech news show Dot reddit dot com couple messages before we get out of here Xavier regarding the recent episode on token ring. We talked about that. I think it was scott johnson last week Wanted to point out the curve ring kerv That was released a few months ago. You can buy it now for 130 dollars Which is less than half of what token costs now token claims some extra capabilities Token is managed by smartphone app and curve is not But uh, it's up to you to decide whether it's worth twice more than twice the price To get those advantages, but but yeah, Xavier's right there There are a lot of these out there, uh, that that people are making available So thanks thanks for alerting us to curve k e r v Curve they threw you a curve ball They threw us a curve zavier threw us a curve. He threw us an email about curve Uh, and then someone wrote in and said they were wondering if we had any thoughts on photo buckets recent change to their subscription Uh, essentially what a photo book did photo bucket did recently was suddenly one day without telling their users Shut off the ability to link to images from third party sites that are stored on photo bucket unless you're paying For a 400 a year premiere subscription Uh, our our emailer says it makes me wonder who they thought their customer base was Apart from them running so many ads to make the site almost unusable over the last year And an android app that doesn't really do what it's supposed to do. I just don't get it What do they think people use the service for? Totally explains what i've been seeing so I every every once in a while I go through old, um sci-fi fantasy and convention blogs and they put photos like, you know cosplayers or things It's a lot of a couple of there's just a bunch of broken like no image here. No image here. Yeah. Yeah, totally makes sense now Well, thank you carl, uh for the email. Um, what's going what going on is is goody guests for you as me Uh, and and it is what a patreon had some stuff on photo bucket as well I guess I can understand more wanting to charge people For third party image hosting to say like, hey, you know what if you're pointing to our images That's a lot of bandwidth. We have to pay for so we're going to give you a tier $400 a year is a pretty steep hike For that for that privilege. Uh, whereas, you know companies like instagram flicker Even they want you to invent those images because they want people to use your site So it does seem a little bit counterproductive, but okay fine. Let's say Photo bucket is is is not a social site. It's a hosting site and they they want you to pay for the privilege of the of the hosting And they'll super serve you and your images will never go down except what they just did Was undermine the confidence in wanting to pay them $400 by suddenly shutting off all of your image hosting without telling you You're going to do this You give people at least a month's notice if not more to say hey after this point If you have images hosted elsewhere, they're not going to load unless you're on this subscription plan 400 bucks a year. Good lord. I mean no offense, but most of the images that people posted on there weren't that big I mean, yeah But there's a lot of them because they've been around since what 2001 So you should have a pretty big basin of where you don't need to whack people with $400 a year yeah, well Again, this is an entered. This is this is a business level thing saying look if you're using us to to offload your image hosting Which probably that's probably one of the reasons is that people are starting to use photo bucket as a cdn And say like hey, you know, it's cheaper than than paying a cdn to host our images. Let's stick them on photo bucket Right like that that I get that but maybe Create a tier that says After you've shared after your image shares have reached this level they get shut off And if you want to have an unlimited level you pay $400 a month just so many better ways to do this The simplest way is to just offer a very low res copy of that image. Yeah, you want something that's you know something remotely, you know You know svga level or higher you you pay out. Yeah, that's what a few other sites were doing It's like and they just they just shut off images on a large portion of the internet It's just bad citizenship if nothing else Ah, well, I mean that's they put a stake in the ground and I'm not sure what's going to do in the do them any good Yeah, uh, so there you go. I I don't know that I would use photo bucket. I never did use photo bucket Photo bucket just like somewhere you post images just to host it for like a like a blog or form Mostly forum posting. Hey look what I did. That's I mean, that's honestly why photo bucket is doing this So I get that I get them saying we can't just be the free place to stick your images anymore The low-cost place, but there's a way better way to do this Well, thank you, roger chang uh for chatting over the news with me today and for all of your producing efforts every day So if you want to keep up with you, where should they go? 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We're off tomorrow for the fourth of july in the united states You'll get a headlines edition Instead tomorrow. Let's see you back on wednesday This show is part of the frog pants network Get more at frog pants dot com Ironman club hopes you have enjoyed this bro All right That was a good show 400 bucks, man. They'd be better be gilding all your photos with like Like photo editors and just like getting them to you in a gold frame Is that we're like at least have like a like a in-house photo shopper like oh, I took this photo of me You know graduating can you get rid of like these people? Well, they don't want the background. Well, and that honestly that's the uh That that's the the perfectly understandable side of this is hey if you're using us like a cdn That's not cool. That's against our terms of service But let's create a tier where you can pay 400 a year and you'll get unlimited image serving like that's a deal That's way cheaper than an akamai or somebody like that, right? Except that you don't do it by just making everybody do it suddenly one day without telling them It's ridiculous Maybe they're just hard up for cash Do you think this gets him a lot of cash though? I mean, I guess enough people go Whoa, what happened to my images? I better sign up and before they think about it too hard, but that's pretty Uh, I think a lot of people just quit using photo bucket, which I guess is another You know, maybe if they're just being hard about it They're like we have too many people using it So if a bunch of people quit using photo bucket it lowers our cost too All right titles roger looks for a new job should be looking I mean to be clear folks if you don't get Roger is looking for a full-time job outside of dts and that there's no harm in that because Yeah, this is this is not a full-time job. So so that that's that's real and and not not an insult No, it's it's a great place to work and tom is a great boss I'm I wasn't fishing for compliments. All right. All right back to the river Back to work chang Tesla's affordable car. I like that quotes no roku for you tom explains big coin part. Uh, what is that 18 part 18? Nice. Sook and sell ads Sook and sell ads Everyone gets the day off tom and roger stay behind Lights off dark tech news show. I put no stock in crypto currencies Investing on the thin ICO Oh I like that one tom explains ICO roger starts to understand it I mean I understand I'm it's it's It's like any currency you have to have faith in it. It's really what well some of them are currencies That's where it gets tricky, right? It's like some of them are just tokens That can be used for maybe voting rights. Like it's still pretty hard to wrap your head around That's why I didn't want to get too much into the I know but I'm my My immediate reaction is where's the where's the benefit? Where's the payoff if you get that voting right? Where do you get the where do you see a return on? Well, because first of all you you get to have an effect on the company Which is you know, you you can say instead of a instead of using shareholder pressure You can use direct action and second of all if the company value goes up and up and up in those coin values Or those token values go up and up and up then you can cash out with a nice little tidy sum So while not be a de facto currency it is would act like a currency at that Some are some are right some are de facto currencies But but they all have to have some kind of value, right? I mean it's the same as as is investing in a collectible or or buying shares in a company is not It's not money, right, but it is something that has value I Kick the photo bucket dropping the photo bucket While your photos kick the bucket one of the kicking the buckets tells for the crypto I see I see oh I see oh, it's everywhere No, rogu for you. I'm here throws curve a curveball tommy roger confused Investing on the finity. I was pretty good. You like that. Okay. That's what I was about to say too. Let's do that It's also number five so Number five or five votes Right. No, it's what it's five. It's just the top vote Oh, it has five votes. I thought you were saying it was number five Oh, no, I did say number five. I meant to say I had five votes. Gotcha Number five number five Go drink my grass jelly beverage. I bought it I love grass jelly. Do you has actually no flavor? Yeah, but I buy it because I like the uh sensations jellies. Yeah And I think it's because well, it's what's the um It's the final fantasy, which is the or no dragon quest the um The game for the nes where you have jellies you click jellies That's what I imagine they are grass jellies Grass jelly babies Did you watch the dr. Who finale? Yes I I I have to admit I like I liked it I liked it a lot I was I see I don't want to say too much because I might spoil it but um I was a little confused with the With the cybermen because they would have been slowing down as they went up floors I think it's the lack of humidity that caused us to fall Uh, yes an arrogant light bars soon to fall the Humidity not humility or maybe maybe the leds are fans of dr. Who and the episode the dr falls Then that wasn't who I that wasn't the original actor because that guy passed away What you talking about the uh at the end. Yeah, no that he's long gone. Yeah, that's what I figured I was trying to figure out if they just got someone who looked like him or they tried to cg over the Hmm. No if I say this next thing it's a spoiler But that person has been cast in that role before Got it Dark redeemer says I like how he's detect mimicked fixing his green screen It's good effect, huh? He spent a lot of money on that visual effect to have so to have an image of himself walk back there and tape something You know, we can get I can get uh jelly babies at my grocery store here in la Did it? Let me see They have a little uh, british food section at ralf's you can get arrows and jelly babies and All I really wanted The one candy I missed the most were the um, I know they sell them in some form or another but uh The turkish delight so used to sell it worth like, you know the candy man where you scoop it out Yeah, I think they've had those they don't they don't always have exactly the same thing It seems like the arrows are always there jelly babies kind of come and go I feel like I've seen the turkish delight I mean, there's the orchard ones that they sell in the little box, but they don't taste the same Not like when you were a young man You know, maybe maybe as I get older my sense your sense of taste does change as you get older Yeah, it does. Yeah, which is why everything tastes different and I'm no longer averse to spicy food I actually like spicy food But that's why that's why you say like, ah, this doesn't taste as good as it did when in my day No, I just say it tastes like salt they change the formulas for stuff so often You can't tell if it's just you getting older or they change stuff. No the kitkat. I know they changed I don't remember a kitkat's melting in my hand when I unwrap it on a 60 degree day Like, you know, like you take a kit like a american kitkat and you take a bar off. It's melts in my hand It's gross not in your mouth But I think they used to be like the british kitkats, which is a reason I like those better Oh, canada can't don't don't know Canada's kit that kitkats are the same as england's Why are you saying no just being a jerk? No They had their 150th Actually, I didn't realize the country was that young Did you see that um prime minister trudeau left out alberta in his case speech? There was a there's a visual meme that he Like oh just in case he so you won't forget there's a hand and alberta written on the palm So he'll remember next time That's embarrassing poor guy I can't even remember all the provinces or the territories Actually, there's only one territory. There's they still have um, north west Northwest you con you con northwest territories. Yeah I thought they were going to change british columbia to bob that never that never happened, huh? They should have just changed it to columbia Well, I think that was one of the ideas is they would just change it to columbia and get rid of the but yeah Canadian columbia Canadian club Club soda it could they could have changed it. Well, wasn't it one of the other ones cascadia? Or is that just the entire region? Justin Trudeau forgot alberta on purpose. I'm having none of it Ah another province So funny so what carved out of the northwest territory I like jelly babies because they're not as gummy as gummy bears. They're they're so well, you know, it depends if you get the um the original gummy bear Or gummies the from hadbria the Austrian company. They're not as Smushy or sticky. They're not as sticky But I like them too because they also sell the old um gummy cokes Coke bottles. Yeah I don't know why I like those the best Jelly babies now that I think that's what I'll do for uh, july 4th. I'll buy a bunch of british foods It's celebrate the loyalists fleeing above To what was then upper canada Upper canada wasn't it upper canada or is that just like that? I've never heard that before Upper canada is the part Uh existed from oh wait it existed from 26th of december 1791 to february 1841 Is generally comprised of present-day southwest ontario or southern ontario interesting I did not know that And that's where all the loyalists went all the tories and uh, I assume novus scotian whatever other Collin you were saying the loyalists from the us went up there. Yeah, yeah from from the colonies Yes from the revolutionary war They went to upper canada There was no canada back then There was no unified. There was no federation of canada confederation Ca can federation Now I want corn corn and beef. I don't know why now I want jelly babies That candy just makes my teeth hurt now. It sucks It doesn't really hurt my teeth, but it just feels like because it gets stuck between my teeth and then uh Remember kids take care of your teeth and gums when you're young. That way you won't be griping like me when you're old That's good advice All right, folks. We're out of here. Uh, it ended up being a pretty normal Uh, pretty normal length episode and pre and post show. So we just did it a little earlier than usual Uh, thanks everybody for hanging out And if you are in the united states and you celebrate independent stay Which I don't know if you're in the u.s. Why you wouldn't uh, have a lovely have a lovely time We'll see you tomorrow. 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