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He don't need no introduction this guy Man, I'm gonna be honest with you ever since I met him and I became he became a friend of mine, man I'm up here in Chicago because of him His birthday definitely was it was a big birthday. We're gonna talk about all this And I'm gonna be real with you man We're gonna just talk about a lot of different things around this brother man one of the Coldest dudes, I know man when it come down to being a good friend somebody that'll talk to you and tell you hey, man Yeah, this is cool. That ain't cool But and you need that as friends man Larry Hoover juniors in the building on boss talk 101 One more again. What's going on brother? Hey, what's going on man? Man, I'm gonna ain't gonna lie man. Like I said, man I enjoyed myself up here this time probably one of the favorite times that I've came up to Chicago, man And uh, just thank you for even just rocking out with us. You know what I'm saying man I thank you for supporting man. Man. I'm always support. That's the way it is This is either this way or no way at all for me Happy birthday again Oh, she gonna put it out to see I try to go back Everybody I'm like, nah, these niggas don't need to know I wanted to do But man, I now I got jealous when I seen you I'm like, dang, I should have did it man. I can't never go back That's the whole thing you only get that once that's what I said when I seen I just enjoyed it man in the vibe man Everything that's been you've done, uh throughout, um, the vegan restaurant was counted, but I'm not Maybe I go back and do a 25 party or something I want to go backwards from here. Man. Let's get it man. Let's talk about it. So how does it feel though being 50? I mean, it's just another day. It just feels good to know that I'm here for 50 I know a lot of people that didn't make it didn't make it a lot of people still not go make it. So you're right You're right feeling good still Still growing still growing. Yeah still growing. Oh, okay Let me still keep growing keep developing and as life goes on till I'm dead It's all about growing so what people can expect to see you coming up and going forward with larry hoover jr Well with me man, they can see me steadily fighting for um Fighting for my father. You know what I mean and fighting uh You know just doing new ventures in life just trying to move forward keep growing the different things You know, I started out just doing my construction but No, I can't say I just started out. Yeah, you've been doing a lot of things that's been going on in life But yeah, just keep moving forward with different ventures because to me, um when people Approach milestones because I would think a 50 is a milestone in your life And then knowing that your dad isn't here to witness it, you know, he's behind bars, right? Um, how does that this did it hit a certain way like when you woke up that morning and you You know a 50. Did you think about that? Well, it's uh It's a it's kind of a sad situation when you look at it, but i'm so used to him not being here for my milestones. So You know, I graduated turn 21 my kids was born like It's like it's it's kind of what my life is at this point But you know, I still look forward to having some type of milestone Where he could be there for the milestone to be embracing when he come home, you know Yeah, that'll that'll be the milestone that we can do together since the rest of it been kind of pushed to the side to be at a Actually hug as a family, you know, yeah, are you able to like send pictures to him to show him? What's going on and so forth? Yeah Okay, you can get pictures and stuff so he can make him feel like he's still involved Yes, so he'll get some pictures of You know the events and stuff and i'm kind of horrible with that if I didn't have other people helping me You know, he still talks about me. I got pictures that I supposed to be sending them that have a good sense Do you say something to your body when you talk to him? Yeah, he what do you say? So here's the thing he He just asks where they at. He's waiting on them. Like I didn't get them And you'd be like dang looking forward to seeing them. It's crazy to transition from When he was incarcerated and I could see him into Being incarcerated and I I mean where I could touch them and all that type of stuff to the incarcerated where I couldn't touch him or see him as regular To where it's a lot of letters because I didn't have to send letters and stuff because I just Was always there, right? That letter thing has been It just don't be it's just rough to me. I never was Into doing a lot of writing and communicating through let me ask you something man because I I I think I mean marriage is something else man when I looked at those pictures on your uh tree last night On the floor arranging this and man, you you you was a young young dude when you you know Did the marriage thing? How long have you been married? You say young? Well what I was like Like 26 26 Maybe you just looked younger on there because the time has passed Larry. Hey, we don't crack So I mean like um relationships and just Building the right family ordinance man is so important man. It comes with a lot of respect. How how much How much do you value like? Marriage and all that stuff. I mean my family is everything. I made a commitment and I'm willing to put all the work in to To keep that commitment. It's not a it's not an easy thing. You know, it's what you make it so Even through all the ups and downs and everything that comes with a relationship You know, we hanging in keep pushing the move forward with it. That's me. Some people give up. Yeah. Yeah, I know You know, I mean some people want to be on fail or get too selfish You know, it's a it's a partnership Everybody got to work at making it work. It's not easy But as a man in a um in a relationship in a marriage, how do you resolve problems? Just like everybody else we We we hollywood screen we argue We get over it. We come back and address it again. We just move forward. We you know, you can't know Just can't let it link on you gotta You gotta get past stuff because at the end of the day you you decided that this is the person I want to be with for the rest of my life Yeah, yep, you know, what does it go do to? Whole animosity and anger Sure, you know, and it'd be this thing's about just dealing with people that you don't agree with But if this is the person you go on be with You gotta love them for who they are the good in the bad, you know, and they not gonna be perfect You're you not gonna be perfect. So what percentage in them in a marriage you think has to do with compromising All of it You know, you you got You know, everybody deserves some things that you know that they just want and Everybody got to be willing to do it for for they may to a certain extent You know, it's gonna be some things that you want that he got to take care of and vice versa And you got to be willing because like hey, I love her. I love him. This is my mate. I don't agree with this But you know, this is who I love. So I'm gonna go ahead and do it for him It's so crazy how opposites attract because a lot of time when I talk to couples It's always like you like this. She don't like this and vice versa, but it works That's the crazy thing. That's the problem. Everybody looking for exactly You know, you're not supposed to just Go for something that you can't deal with that's the whole thing the stuff that you don't like in a person Can you deal with that? That's what you need to know to move forward Can you deal with what you don't like about them because nobody's gonna be the same? And if you're looking for somebody that's exactly you I think that's more problems. Is there exactly you right? Yeah, and then um looking at them and trying to deal with them Because as you grow You have new quirks that pops up because when you met her have a long ago She's not the same person from then till now She has grown and it's you just have to learn how to grow together and not grow Apart. Yes. Well, my buddy told me but it's a saying that he got from somebody else but if you See the world as you did 10 years ago then you 10 years behind Exactly everything changes changes the constant variable in life some changes you um They happen and you had no other choice and then some changes are the ones you make The thing is being able to make the changes that You want to make and having the discipline to do it. That's real Do you feel like you have gotten more patient in a relationship as the older you've gotten into the relationship? No, I think I get well, I guess so but then I get uh, you know as you get older you um I don't know you get your little you look grumpy stuff. You know Then you Acting like a little man at times, you know, that's real. Um when I uh think about You know your um your son And and you I think of it as a win because You really, you know, with your father being incarcerated um For you to stay on you know out here to make that step and for your son to see that you can thrive being outside of those walls Versus seeing your father in the walls. I think you broke that cycle and you have to celebrate the win You know no matter how you may look at it You know what I'm saying? Yeah, because you you've done something different when you could have went the other way with it And and and in in turn your son can see that And and basically have that to you know go by as well And yeah, that's the that's my story. That's what I'm pushing. That's what I'm trying to Tell you like You know, you don't have to follow the Whatever blueprint you feel like happen or the blueprint of going to jail or You know the street life and what have you because you know, we know the End the outcomes of these situations, you know trying to I don't know be a thug being real Or you know hustling like it's it's other ways I had to live without my father But you can make sure that your kids have a father, you know, yeah, I I talked to one person that was like, uh It was like When you came to the school, they had to speak I can't remember who it was beyond switch that it was like they basically Were told that you were coming to this school or something And I was like It was it like that like do you ever remember your presence being something that affected the whole surroundings? Or is that something by the cloud chasing Because I'm in chicago had to behave once they once you came to the school they you know I don't remember who said I wouldn't glorify it if it was but it's like was it a thing where when your presence is felt that Things, you know, have to be altered Or maybe he didn't know that I know Like I carried myself on the even tone. Well I'm no, you know, it's me and you we all We all together we on the same, you know, I mean it's opportunity for everybody to be Whatever they want to be if you willing to work at it. I know some of it comes from okay, that's my father in the name but you know, I never felt like Okay, I'm here And this it needs to be like this because I'm here. Maybe I wanted certain things to be a certain way, but I always wanted to be uh Peaceful and respectful. Yeah. I mean, yeah, but not that somebody had to I never took Like, you know, put the word out make sure it's like this. Yeah, they feel that way You know, tell them Neil. Yeah, the name curious wait though Correct because when you think about it you look at The the people and they watch the news and they read the tabloids and they see all of the social media You think back then it was just tabloids. Yeah, it wasn't even it wasn't even it was in choir or something It would be they had a way that they put media out media out, you know what I'm saying? So, yeah, I could see that being a thing. I really could thinking about it. Well In the media and the tabloids always gave A lot of the wrong narrative. Yes, you know, I mean all they can see is One side of things and yeah, it has been You know sides of things where It could have been better, but as it grew and moved forward None of that was on Yeah, no, that was publicized, you know, I mean, that's real still got people that Don't know what the real mission was and what my father believed in and they still expressing a You know a negative identity Yeah, this is my This is my life and my legacy, you know, I mean my father's legacy was supposed to be more of Like Mayor Daly Mayor Daly was the death was the mayor of Chicago and they family came from the streets He's seen that he wanted to follow that blueprint and he was on the The path to following that blueprint, but that was like too much power He was supposed to be more mouth-and-mouth just coming from the streets to seeing what it is to bring his people together So we can try to get a stake in our community But they you know kind of stopped his legacy from moving forward. They You know gave them they gave him the last case that he had which was a drug conspiracy case and A lot of people get a second chance after a drug conspiracy case They don't want to give him a second chance to move forward in life. We just We constantly go keep fighting, but We would talk about the uh Talk about the tabloids, but they they put a wrong they put a bad narrative This people like you to give an opportunity to put the right narrative and know that he wanted people to Change they laugh that was early early on when when this would have been referred to as well So I just thinking about the timeline how people view things time changes things. We're talking 30 we're talking 26 27 years ago you 20, you know, I mean people see and say things but at the end of the day overall this time going from Going to growth and development You know change this whole scenario change with him while he was incarcerated as well And he was promoting the right thing and we know that we're going to get into it I'm gonna let her say something because she probably holding her tongue right now Yeah, no one thing that I've always um Want to say because A lot of people sit in that seat right? Go through different journeys. Some of them ended up because of their environment End up on the streets selling drugs doing all you know Gangs the all of that sort of stuff and I always would like a why just because your environment Do you have to be in involved in that? And most of them always say well I am a product of my environment Um, I didn't have at home and I glorified this because of I saw the money The the cars the girls the this the that so that's what I wanted. It just called me But you find a few when I'm in a few I can count them on my one hand who actually Accelerated out of that community became a doctor a lawyer, you know, whatever. Yeah, but I'm like, why can't we get more people doing that? Why do they have to succumb to their environment? And since you have um a name so do you actually Can help people like the kids when you talk to these kids do they actually listen and like change their route? I don't know who actually changes their route, but I put it out there and hope that somebody does but Yeah, like we do fall victim to I think it's the mindset more than the environment the environment is real But if we could see things a different way and see that it's actually opportunity like If you got years and years of this is your understanding this environment the The street life, you know, I mean the criminal life and It's passed down through your community and through your people and They put this in your mind. Then you don't believe that or no I think you hear it and you don't believe That because you don't see the positive things that you could do you see more of this because it's right there And you can touch it, but I just think it's the mindset Like if you can understand that what you could possibly do and that it just takes work to do it Like I think people believe that There's no other way or that it takes too long everything takes time right you can make this money quick But then you go have all the time in the world once you have to go sit down and walls or You know, you might get killed out here messing around and then it's over But you know, it's just a mindset change to know that some things could be done and To have a the drive and the focus to really do it and nine today is where there's so much going on That's how I have to focus on anything The gd the gd Okay You at a young age your dad Growth and development became a thing. Yeah you When talking to your father early on would have been experiencing growth and development more than anything else Yeah, that's mainly what I that's all that's all you could have been what as a kid I did kid things as some at a point of course educated, but yeah, my whole thing has been more of I started seeing all of the you know, the positive activity and he was pointing to me to What he wanted me to be and wanted me to do and you know, he had the book Growth and Development trying to pass and people were supposed to be trying to Move from an outcast of society to a part of society So and that's just been my experience and what I was seeing and that's what I stuck with it made more sense to me plus Why that was going on like I met so many people like some of this um Kind of made me who I was I had so many associates and people that I met Not necessarily just my friends, but I had seen so many people die by the time I was Probably a sophomore in high school because I was meeting people and people was happy. No, that's a little area And blase escape me and I see some more people. What happened to so-and-so what happened to so-and-so what happened to so-and-so like A lot of people had died at an early age. So that's like Help you think maybe you don't want to do this. Maybe you don't want to do that You know, I mean and then my best friend when he got killed You know, but I just I seen a lot of death. I seen a lot of people going to jail And it's not a writer passage, man. I had to go through that process Guys kept a hedge of protection around you in order for you to still be here I always say that I gotta say that because that's something that sticks out to me to see so many people pass on And you still be here and you know that it could have been you It's it's the known you see the fact that god has blessed you and that he keeps his hedge of protection around you As he talked about joe in the word of god that I read, you know, I just feel like it's something there You know what I'm saying because you could have been gone. Yeah, I could I could have been go A lot of times staying out all night doing all kind of crazy stuff as a young man God spared your life. Yeah And that's crazy the fact that if you don't recognize that at our age Oh, you're in trouble. Yeah, and you probably wouldn't even be here to be honest with you because you gotta at some point wake up You know what I'm saying You've got to you get so did um, okay So your dad is still in maximum hold where you can't visit him or anything at all. Well, I can visit I just can't touch. I mean, it's through the glass. You can't okay. It's on his phone through the glass Do you think that they'll ever um at least Ease up on that where you can be able to touch him and hug him and all of that again I think it's either Some of the stuff that we working on gets to the point where he gets out But I don't believe they want to let him out of there. I think they really want him to Die in that situation They don't want him to see the world Because I prayed about it so many different times because to me it's like every time when I think about it I know you've been living this life. So Certain things you're over, you know, but when Anybody, I'm sure other people who watching it can, you know, feel it too Is like I just want to cry sometimes when I think about it because I put myself I try to put myself in that situation when I see your mom and I met your mom and I see how Sweet she is and how upbeat her personality is and how hard I know it probably is on the inside, you know Trying to put that on all the time and have fun knowing that she really wanted to hug her husband She want to be with her husband You know what um all his family, but definitely my mother right she's been To go on this journey. She's Chosen to take a long ride, you know and then we are constantly fighting. So see it's a lot of people that they've given up You know saying his name and I got love for him. It's the Right thing to do, but they really don't know They don't believe that something could possibly happen. It's it's people that do So sometimes we'll knock everybody down, but it's people that have Really given up they say that he's never coming home and And they just say his name because they like everything that comes was saying his name and that I love and support him like I run into the issues where and I try to tell people but People reach out to me to support What they trying to do as far as gain culture and behavior and can you tell your father this and my guys over here and Like my father is fighting for his life, you know, you still talking about chief this and chief then got pictures of pick pitchforks and six point stars, you know As representing my father why he's fighting for his life Right, you know You are part of the reason why his opportunities are taking away thinner, right because you still I'm saying that he's not controlling none of what you guys are doing because if he was controlling what these guys They would be doing growth and development. They would be helping Fight some of the injustices in that community. They'll be taking stake in their community, but they keep the narrative of what um You know, what the government do and if they differently if they feel differently them Then what the government thinks why y'all portraying him as Chief and six point stars and pitchforks you can't put the pitchforks into six point stars down And have it in your heart and your chest Or do what you do, but don't do it when you are representing and talking about my father. Exactly. But the thing See these guys I got to be honest with you to me. Yeah It's more that has nothing to do with your father That's more beneficial to that person who's doing that because they're trying to sit forth some type of a reputation Yeah, I'm being real and I'm when I look at that and I even think about rick ross and the whipping working hallelujah and and and saying all these things I don't think that has nothing to do with your dad That's more of a person trying to promote whatever they're promoting within The project of their mind or their or what they're trying to do for us for their image That has nothing to do with larry who would who basically been locked up since 1973 You see what I'm saying? There's no way because they don't even know him. Yeah, they never Some of them probably haven't even read a book Some of them probably haven't even looked up the history of it They're just doing it because it's something that if I say this And because of what the government has Portrayed this to be yeah, I can look a certain way I can I can throw this out here. I can sell a certain amount of records I can do you know what I mean and and this is something that's really sad to be honest with you It is because you really you're doing this and at the end of the day This guy who has really been locked up because of the legend of who he is like when we talked ice tea and he said Uh, ice tea is just a red, you know a regular dude. You we was at his house We sitting in in the talking to him and he says I'm just a regular dude now the legend of me Yeah, what people think of me It mean I could probably kick such and such so many niggas button all kind of stuff But just who I am is not the legend of me And and that's exactly my thoughts For one you supported what I said with these guys the working on they self and they don't really The concern about him is not real, but That's what we fighting the legends of Larry Hoover. We're not fighting for The man Yeah, the man like they're not looking at who my father is what his beliefs are and The changes that he's made they still hold him responsible for the legend of Larry Hoover And that's what these people keep doing. They keep the legend of Larry Hoover going Larry Hoover The gangsta this is you know, it's definitely people that Know about some of the positive things and they try to promote that because He was somebody that kept order, you know, I mean he kept unity between All the different organizations or what have you nobody was able to just Bring peace like that so people can you know, so it would be safe for our mothers and our kids and all our women to just You know being our community. Do you think like I mentioned Rick Ross? After all that happened I think because of the way he moves in the business mind that he has Yeah I don't know a lot of time we do things for projects, but I don't I don't know I know after that I don't know if that was something that you guys took care of that Of course talked about and it was I remember seeing y'all for some reason I thought I seen y'all where y'all talked and and that's good But at the end of the day to de-escalate and all the movies and all the stuff I mean, is there anything coming out concerning your father for is like, uh, something a documentary to speak on his life You know what we haven't Because the role only I say that is because you don't want the role perception out there. Well documentaries come out, but as far as us During the documentary on his life. They um You know, my father want to make sure he's real particular. Yeah. Yeah, he wants to make sure that anything about his life is done The way he wants it to be done And for his situation, it's hard for us to do it because it's hard for him to put his input in, you know with the 15 minute like he's okay with he Is supposed to be coming but it's just difficult because for him to really put the input into it for him to be comfortable with it It's hard for us to do other people do it because they're not concerned about that. They just want to tell the story and move forward and get whatever comes with it, but for us to like really do it and Make it the way that he would be happy with it and that's important to us You know, that's that's the kind of hold up on us doing it. Do you see I mean like you got 50 and all these different people doing these different You know, uh, whether it be series on on the father and the son um I could I could see Larry and definitely little Larry and you Doing something like that. You know what I'm saying. Have they ever reached out to y'all? That's what I was getting at We've spoken to different people. It's been stuff on the table here and there But I'm talking 50 because 50 seemed like he's been um, we we we've talked to 50. Okay, you know, we had some Some things on the table. They kind of came to a stall for the moment of what happened. Yeah Yeah, we we spoke because I just look at a lot of people. I look a little Larry, man He's some dope man, you know, I'm saying yeah, and I just love because my son, you know, I just think about these I'm like, man, you know, because that really sets the record to where you get to control the narrative But you're still gonna come with some flat every time you do anything. It's a reaction or something We know that when we tell the story, it's gonna be good in bed. It's not gonna be correct. Oh, um You know, I always talk about the the positive side of things and you know, what I've seen But it's more to it than what I've seen. Yeah, I mean it's people that live they life through this and Some of them changed some of them haven't changed so it's it's more to it, but Some of it is their own choices too, right? I don't know what my father's outlook is. I talk to my father people talk about What they knew back then 30 years ago when they was around him like he's not the same person that he was I mean the cool of him is there, but You know, whatever he might have believed in or may have done the ways he may have done things That's not all the same. I I talk to him. I know where his head is at I know what he's believing in more than they do but they Hold on to the image that they had and I guess that's how it is Yeah, does your father ever say to you like because you know how a lot of time and this happened to a lot of people But he had that long stent that he's still in there In that in the beginning, you know, you had a lot of people visiting you and you know People who cared about yourself like that and all of a sudden they start dwindling off and there's not many people as who used to You talking about my did my father like that or me? Yeah, your father because People visiting and then all of a sudden you don't have that many people visiting and more except from just direct family Or does he have other visitors? Well, he can't really put many people on his list. Oh, okay You know, I mean it's go it goes from and then you have to know him for so long Oh Oh, it's a lot to do background check and all that type of stuff You know a lot of people he knows it's criminal because he can't Right, right. So I mean, he knows a lot of other people that You know, there wasn't from that but It's not a lot of people to get down there or that's on the list Okay, you know, because I know We've been segregated for a while You know, some people tend to fall off or can't withstand the long haul of you know, keep going back and forth That's the reason why I was trying to figure it out. It's a whole vacation Depending on what you got going on in life. So that's kind of had a federal system does it Like a lot of time when people go to Getting these situations and it's for drugs Usually they the breadwinners in the family they the ones that make the money So once they're locked up and their money runs out, how do the other people around had the money to to keep going back and see those people? You're right And another thing I wanted to ask about your mom because I've met some women who um Husbands or boyfriends be sent away and they can't withstand the long haul. Does your mom have a program to talk to other women who um Maybe husbands are locked away to to because she's to me is the pinnacle of A person who really held her man down for this long and a lot of women out there can't do that Well, a lot of them Can't I don't know that she would say She would definitely say support Depending on the behavior and the relationship She wouldn't necessarily just tell people to a woman to Put her life on hold to go for this this haul, you know, that was her choice and it was a Noble thing to do right? She wouldn't tell you just to walk away, but she didn't know that it was gonna turn into this long this you know your your father like When you think about it Y'all remember you talked strongly a little while about the first step Act, you know and you was you was talking about You know the fact that he should should have the action to be released, right? Um have anything else you have anything since me and you talked Anything else, you know protruded out far as the law is concerned or far as the the movement of his case I'm trying to think has it if it hasn't been longer than a year we Re-entered our stuff for the first step act because it was without prejudice that he was refused And the judge hasn't responded yet So we're still waiting and then just still working on other angles just in case That we can still keep on pushing. I wanted to go back to mr. Jamaica with the with the um situation and it's um I wouldn't say that she would tell women just to leave but But She still didn't she she just didn't know that it was gonna be this long and I guess she would still say support and be there but You know be careful in the choices because life still goes on a lot of people got to understand that and The men have to understand that life still goes on like how are you behind the wall still trying to um Control and bully somebody right right that's trying to take care of your children And what have you uh and take care of you take care of you right and you on the phone trying to make sure that Go do this go do that don't go outside blaze escape you like I understand that you might have made money and took care of me why you was there But life still goes on why you there you got to have the Right approach to how you deal with a person plus It's a lot of a lot of kids that don't have relationships with their um Their fathers because They don't know how to keep a relationship with the lady because it's up to the lady once you go away to make sure that your kids Still see you exactly their relationship going and you know men are there they tough guys they macho and blaze escape And um they mess up with their mother so now they don't have a bond with their kids. They want to blame her but You know you got to be has some humility That's the reason why I said question because Her being able to talk to some of these women to say that he is going to react this way because he he he lost all control being behind you know bars and You know how to how to respond to this because he's going to say this eventually he this is because she's experienced all of this So just to be able to talk to that female and you know calm her down and so forth But she she says her situation was So my father's different You know, he's not like Yeah, deep understanding. So no one had a um Go back and she she says that when she sees stuff going on that my father never reacted or Treated her like some of the stuff that she sees out here in the world. You know, so He knows what Wouldn't make sense to do right and expect things to go another type of way like and I think I kind of got that In me like from him some of the choices you make Like you have to think about that because you got to know about the response or the aftermath of what you do so when you get emotional and react and say things that you can't take back or You know Put your hands on somebody and what have you had to think about how does go affect the long run Even if somebody moved past certain stuff They don't forget that stuff. Let me ask this early on your mother. I remember saying that She Wouldn't growth and development was used The first time that they caught whim of that they penalized Larry by not letting him get visits for a year Well, how long ago was that that was that had to be early on or no No, that wasn't that early It's been since he was in the federal prison. It wasn't first being used. What happened was we was trying to bring the book back out Oh, y'all trying to bring the book back out bring the book back out because the You know the information like the youth can use it right now the story that he said then It's still great information for now. You know, I'm I'm working to try to Bring that information to the world because we can't use growth and development because they wanted to be Consider another name for against the disciple, which is not another name. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, I mean Guys like growth and development growth and development. Well, what are you doing? Are you living your life? Are you growing to be a better person? Are you trying to be a part of society? That's what growth and development about It's not a slick name for against the disciple Because it has the same initials That's the reason why they felt that way. So if you said growth and inspiration You think that they would still have that same issue um I think I just have I don't know what the name has to be but The information is great. Mm-hmm. I can't stop saying growth and development because it's real It is real, you know, it's just there's a lot of people tarnished it because they wanted to be against the disciple I remember I used to try to Give people to take the information like when I used to work at a um An independent liver place and it was young guys there And you know, they weren't they weren't they were not folks You know, I mean in uh, I'm trying to give them this information because they need it because you hit you hitting down the wrong path You need to make better choices. So you go end up In another system because they end the system from their parents not doing right now You know, they like Man, this is a gd book. It's not a gd book. You know, I mean it's It's about getting ready and they read it, but they don't care the the kids wouldn't read it those kids at that place the um the government They read the book like when when I said they had an issue with um Us trying to get the book back out They filed some grievances. They did something against him But they had to straighten that part out because when they read it, it's like you couldn't find this wasn't no, uh information for keeping against the disciple together this was information for Boys turning into men and men changing their life, you know And it's it's true. It's real. We still we still need it. Let's go It's part of my life journey Regardless what happens with my father because that should be part of his legacy. His legacy should not be Gd folks gays to disciples. We The biggest strongest gang over Any other gang it's not about that. His this thing was all about You know bringing people together like a lot of people don't like to vote He uh, he believed that if you get your people together and vote You can create change you can create change you can put people in place where you need them to To do what they need to do for they people, right? You know, I mean a lot of people They feel like voting is just a game. Well, how you go Take a state it was going on in your community if you're not a part of what's going on And you don't have a body to represent you like okay, so you go sit on the outside and complain and have a fit But then you're not doing nothing because they feel it's crooked They feel that no matter if they vote it's not going to go their way that you know They're going to alter the voting numbers and all sorts of stuff Yeah, but at least you show on a stance and one thing I can say, you know, ever since I can remember Long time ago, whether it be lewis farrakhan or whoever they would even speak up about larry who you know, I mean Do you think with these I mean all these different people doing that? And they knowing that it's a positive thing that can happen It's a positive reaction because when he come home people are going to be you know Trying to do the right thing. You know what I mean? I think that's a lot of it and they hope that it gets them Yeah, that's what I'm saying. I think that's big. I think that's humongous actually the fact that he has Influencing people love him. They hold it against them. See That's the thing you you can't prove it but I think it is proven But they just worried about his influence and his power. I think it's more of even more than the legal stuff or the The criminal outlook and the gangster disciple was the fact that He could bring people together and he's trying to bring them together to the right thing and they knew they knew that he had a real stake in uh In the city because we we could put people in place because it was so many guys and it wasn't just His guys it was other guys like he really had the power to bring people together So you consider the threat if You can bring people together and make some change in the community and they not in control of the situation But it's just like um what I said yesterday went about bob marley because bob marley was in a place to create change as well with his music and so forth And that's the reason why they assassinated him as much as they talk about It was cancer and all of that but then you saw where that fbi agent came out because he was on his death bed And did you see that? And he said he was the one sent by the government And he gave him a pair of shoes And it had like a little prick in in his shoe. So when he put on his shoes He actually said out and he knew at that time that that man was a dead man It was a cancer virus that was Injected in him through that on his shoes But not only him imagine how many other agents are out there that Assassinate people who were trying to bring people together. I know it's um I know it's strange people around me and my family and they've been there people they come and is Without good intentions, you know, I mean willing trying to Find dirt or you know drivers towards bad situations You know to ruin what we want to do as far as moving forward and keep going, but you know, we What us being the people we are we got Don't walk by fear Hmm. You can't walk by fear. No, we don't walk by fear, but we we're not gonna do Fall into any of those traps anyway, you know, I mean, it's all about positive positive and productive Energy and and engagements that we deal with and you got to be careful because something as simple as that What happened to him Almost nobody could have expected that but that person was planted. Yeah, you see what I mean. Yeah, I know the plants out Man, so like I know early on Something else that sticks out is the fact that he had state and federal charges Did you you guys ever hear anything about the other charges being dropped? No and one charged negating other He's actually going to parole This month really. Yeah, wow, but You know, they do it All the time, but he's you know, he's still on I mean he goes to the um, not parole board. Well, it is before the parole but um It's a committee It's a committee that he has to go see I think it's every Yeah, it's supposed to be every year. Really? Yeah, so that's big Yeah, it's not that you don't believe he's been going for 50 years. Oh, he's every time he stopped going At one point in time because they didn't give him a chance to prepare Like down there in colorado, they just started coming to get him Like it's parole today and he's like didn't expect I've been here in the cell. I You know, my head's over my head. Uh I didn't brush my teeth you Come get on the screen and go to the to the hearing You know, wow, look that like a monster so to say well, at least that's how he felt about it but right so he's Back participating in that but for some years he's not participating. Yeah, go ahead about your business Let me ask something. Is Jeff force still locked up in the same For Senate, you know, I think he's back there. He was he hadn't Heard from him, but I think he says he's back there now. Okay. Okay. So he's probably but they not, you know, they No contact or whatever. They know what they could really see maximum. They did have a time where they were I guess in the senior program and they were together, but I don't think Jeff is in the program. Wow anymore So you think they they basically this is a maximum security, right? Yeah, so the whole place the whole place so they don't really get to enter No, they don't get to like I said in the senior program. They were able to enact but I think Jeff was gone and they had stopped the senior program and Anyway, he's not he don't see him no more if he got out if he got out would that That would also be a positive thing because he's been gone for 30 or 30 some years, right? You're talking about my father. No, Jeff. Yeah, Jeff has been he was going before your dad I don't think I didn't think so. No, I think he was really well. No, Jeff was out and he went to He was in the federal situation before my father. Okay My father was incarcerated already, but Jeff was in the federal he went from the streets to a federal My father was in the states and then he went to the federal situation And when they when they sit down and ate together that had been like 30 They probably been in there 30 and 40 years. Yeah, because I remember as a kid seeing on You know some of Jeff's stuff You know what? Stop saying Jeff Malik Him going back and forth to court or what have you and them talking about his case You know what? I don't remember if he was just locked up or if he was on the streets at that time Wow, but yeah, I remember some of that in the 80s as I was a kid I like to see them both for those guys I'm curious. So the time when they came together and sat down together because I know that was like a moment momentous You know situation when they did that Was the government or were they mad at them when they actually did that? I don't know. They probably felt like they had control. You talking about when they sat down in the federal Yes, and I mean No, I know they probably was happy that they was sitting there behind their bars You know, like I got both of them sons of bitches right here. So they probably was happy about it It probably it didn't matter to them. It's not like they can really Put no information together and get back to the community You know and they All that was show was peace for you see these two guys exactly, but they're not really concerned about that. They really concerned about Anybody that might have control over The control that they had they worried that people might rebel. I think that they got the power to put people together to rebel against This is all wrong doing this going on out here in the system. All right, you know Wow, I want to shift gears for a second man. Jay Prince like To me, you know, he a little older than us, you know To you like all the time he's been supportive He's more like a a brother or uncle. Yeah, and and How what when was the first time that you Met Jay Prince like y'all relationship. I know y'all like that's your guy and he's a good dude, you know, I'm from Texas So, you know, I'm saying I'm riding When it comes to Texas, that's my guy but um And the music the hip hop is crazy for me and he'll I gotta get with him but like When was the first time y'all you you took notice of Jay Prince and you know Okay, just growing up in hip hop like When we like me so when we started doing shows I used to pick the groups that used to um That we were gonna have on the shows. Okay, so Ghetto boys was one of the groups like when you use a promoter. Yeah, we used to do big time promoter Yeah, for the end it was really was it fun like like y'all y'all had the movement going like i'm bringing people to town and And we go they're gonna be here. Yeah, it was everybody know you for that I was a kid, but the family shows I was In 2019 I remember when I was 19. That was a big time. Yeah, I was in college. I would I would pick the groups I would come back home for the shows. What have you So but back then we were doing the shows and we did the ghetto boys and after they came and seen What we had going on because they said everybody they wasn't really doing arena shows not black people Okay, you know, I mean they had shows but black people wasn't the ones putting on these shows so we had arena in the city that we used to do shows that and uh You know, none but black people and they like oh man So they told jay cuz jay didn't come in first. It was chief coming. Okay. Yeah big. Yeah, so He told him about what it was and had The love that they got and how they was protected and supported So it's like you got to meet jay and We kept having him come in. So you brought big came and after the ghetto boys Yeah, okay, we used to do all the Boys all the rapper lives roster pretty much they if they wanted to bring somebody or they had a new artist It's like, okay, we go bring So that was a spot for They can come and Help introduce they artists to this market Coming to our show. How big was the arena? Man, it was the amphitheater. I I want to say hell. Um We had to look it up to chicago amphitheater But it had to hold 10,000 people You know, they used to do the circus and stuff before I was born there. Yeah. Yeah. It's been around there My mother didn't really know about it because as they were it was there when they was kids, you know Wow, y'all packed that thing out. Yeah, we packed it out So, okay, so and jay when he finally comes up because I really wanted to get this through I was excited about I'm like, man, I'm asking how he really like when it was how when y'all first met and I know he I definitely want to get into that fact that your father been on the album But like how was it when you linked with it? Me like when you first met him? I mean It was like you I was a fan of it. So it was just strange that these people that um I heard the names and the music and you know, and I'm actually here with them Not just here with them, but actually hanging out with them. Yeah sitting there eating and talking and you know, it was uh Yeah, it was interesting situation Yeah, like okay. I'm it was some people I look up to and we You know building the bond. So it was good man. I love it man I ain't gonna lie because I know that's that I mean I remember jay said they embraced him in Chicago And that was a part of that embracing the fact that you was you was promoting you was out here trying to figure it out Right and the hip hop was huge then for us, man. And it was it was our um, you know, it was a family thing like my My father was being in jail like Sit down and study stuff and can see the vision and from the way he was talking to so You know, he kind of helped he directed us towards Let's do these shows Okay, and and and speaking of your father like when when he first Linked with jay prince. Did you know that he had linked or did you didn't link with so he couldn't link when he was there It's just that we well, I'm talking about how did he how did they end up? I want to get into this this him being on that 1996 and like how did he end up being on there? cause we so after we After we started doing the shows and we had him a couple times and then Jay finally came you know and The bond started from there He used to be at a talk on the phone because he was in a federal place. So Then you know, we wound up putting them on the phone. What he's seeing who we are and what we had going on So it was interesting to him. Okay And wow, who was this that had these people together like this had a behavior like this had a people moving like this and He so anyway, he wound up just talking to him on the phone and that's how the resurrection thing Yeah, we kept going. He used to put our clothing line in the album Album covers like we just It was a good relationship. We bonded and we moved forward wherever we could Assist each other, you know when you first heard your father on the resurrection and just heard the I know What what did you think about it when you first heard it? I think that I home You know, I was amazed. It's the That was part of what his message was and that's who he is. That's dope, man You know, that's part of you know, kind of how I moved forward With that type of thing in my head and that's how that's what that's who I want him to be That's where his legacy should be things of of that nature like it was great In 1996, he said you got we got to go to the polls. You know what I mean? And and and you know what I mean You know almost to if you know, if we don't do something It's going it's going really like it's going to come down when I I would Demise pretty much, you know, I did it not seem like prophecy when you look at when you look at our Communities and what's going on right now? Yeah, yeah, definitely That's why that's why so I ain't gonna lie when I listen at him I still listen to it to be honest with you. It's like a prophecy. It's still touching You know what I mean? Like it's something that being from the south, you know I mean it didn't hear in something like that. I mean just for me I'm I can only speak for me because you know, I listened to that whole album You know that that album with the resurrection was a dope album You know what I mean and to hear that and and there was just some songs on there, man Ghetto boys from girls and all kind of stuff, man It was just a bunch of stuff on there that was relatable and was jamming, you know, I had two 18s in the trunk I ain't gonna never forget it. I was banging it out, man I have bazooka tubes. Oh, yeah I have punch 45s on each speaker, man. Don't play you remember them punch 45. Oh, they were serious, you know I had a deep drop when I go I had a I had a little firebird, man. They had a little Trunk in the back of the cut of tubes sat down in there. So it's like the cow really was made to a box almost Yeah, I cut the trunk out, you know or the cut this like like you you could sit in that back seat But that metal wasn't there You know what I'm saying? So I could only fit two 18s in the back of that thing Yeah, and I had the two punch 45s and I had dropped that damn car too low because every time I moved that old So I didn't I didn't know about I had put me some little clamps on this thing Man, I'm tripping! But you don't know what you can do But that that album is during that time, you know, like and in in the 90s, man Like those those some great times, man. So man meaning to them, you know, it was music was different It was hip-hop and it had had meaning. They were saying something. You know, they talked about what was going on, but It wasn't just a The downside of it like it was some uplifting music along with it You know, even though they talked about what was going on the streets and what have you they still It was still some hope in there wasn't Hopeless it was good music man great music actually man And uh, I know j that's one that I know it stands out, bro It's staying out to all them willa d and all it got to because it was just he was man Willa d was talking some He was in the politics bad like he was the one that when I listened to it I mean don't get me wrong scarface with jamming but willa d was a political like He was on it. You know what I'm saying? So bump on with dope and uh that dynamic is what kind of put it together Yeah, when you got the same same, it's not It's good, but just having that dynamic of one person bringing this one person bringing this one person bringing that It all go together kind of like a bless ship. I gotta ask you which one. What's your favorite ghetto boys? Uh, so My favorite ghetto boys song. Come on, man. That's that's that's it I'm gonna have to come back to it. Give me a second. Let me think about it. What's your favorite? Oh, man, I'm gonna be honest with you. It's a it that's a that's a hard question to be honest with And then the bad part about that is I don't know because there's so many songs though for real. I just listen to the music I don't really know the names. I am to meet you. She's horrible with names. Yep. I ain't gonna lie Well, do the chorus I Miss that up too, man. I'll be in here hum. You know, when you don't remember the word you start You'll make up something just to try to make sure you don't mess it up. You know what I'm saying? So, I mean, you you know, when you think about just, um, You know, like I said, JNM coming all the way up here like that Um music was different the 90s was different, you know, um But like I said, I'll never forget the way your father approached that whole situation for us when he was talking on the phone It was it put life in our people man. You know that even with him being locked up They couldn't lock up the fact that he still could put life and that did cause people to go out to the polls I guarantee you things we do now cause people to do certain things. I say he was rocking the boat before The daddy and them dead. There you go. That was way before it's time. You know what I'm saying? When you think about just, um, like the inner city like here, you know, um, people love, uh, larry hoover Junior, uh, to be honest with you, the people I've met, you know what I'm saying? You got a great name in the city, man. And and and that's one thing. I just my opinion, man The people I've talked to, man, how do you keep it going, man? Like people see you day in the day out You know, you carry yourself in the utmost way of like just humble and basically just And you make yourself to where, you know, you people can reach you, you know what I'm saying? You might be at the store Like how do you deal with just being in the city and just having the popular popular name of larry hoover junior? You know what I'm saying? I think you explained it in your question. Oh, yeah That's real. That's real. You know, it's you know, just just being myself being Being humble not, um Being no better no bigger than nobody else, you know, just just being a real person. Yeah, you know, uh sometimes I feel like um Too available or too loving because a lot of people don't You just run into people that don't know how to They take it as um Vulnerability or being vulnerable is a is a rough thing because people don't know how to Enjoy genuine people they try to you know, they want to take advantage of genuine people. Right, you know, it seemed like it's uh like those people are Put it there by the government to try you so you can react so They can say oh, we got you. We knew you was you had it in you Is that another to make that call or what have you? So it's it's it's definitely um people that take advantage and don't deserve for me to be open Like I am and a good person, but I'm gonna stay me regardless I tell everybody I said, you know what everybody have it in them to be anybody else You know, especially put to because he he would always say to me Man if this ever happened you sit down and cry I'm like No, I won't because when it's protection in your family When it because you always hear the term mama bear, you know what I mean Something else kicks in yeah, and I think that's human instinct when you're dealing with people that you love You know what I mean when you think about um, what I think think about like last year year or so ago Uh, Kanye and you know like well, it was a little bit more before that But how did you like like like how how big was that when he first put you on his on his album like That's huge because a lot of people, you know never experienced anything like that You know, even I know it's for the cause for your father too Man, it was it was big. I was nervous, you know, I bet I wasn't used to being Like on the platform like that. So it was um Man, it was a big situation in my life. You know, there was another um Monument monumental moment for me to be put on that album. It was crazy because What's the oh my goodness? I can't think his name the guy that Actually put it on the album was the same guy that did it for Mike Dean Okay, Mike Dean was the one that put my father stuff on there. He was with rap a lot Yeah, then and then just so happened that I sent it in to Mike Dean and he put it together For Kanye. So that was that's a yeah, man. That's a huge to be honest. He knew he knew he knew how to do it The show. Yeah, but it was um, yeah, it was uh, it was a monumental moment. I Was nervous. I didn't know what to say or what to do, but It was a big moment in my life people come like did did did that get certain people to recognize you And and people come up and say hey you was on that you on that album. Well, yeah It helped lay another platform. Yeah, I've been See people think it's just all good all you Larry Hoover, Jr. They don't understand. It's a lot of Negativity with me living my life the way That I've been living my life The name says something else for other people. Yeah, you know people think that it's just uh The world is yours and everything is at your feet because of that It's not true. So that kind of helped put me on the platform. Let some people hear that No, this ain't that this is you know, this is a human A positive human and they going through things. This is they family they life and all that so it It kind of opened it up for You know other people to be accepting too. How did you like it when you heard it? There was a different like it. I don't like it. I like it, but his voice hearing itself Just hearing myself is kind of like Uh, you think you think you know something you used to say that some people happy to hit a self or see a self You know, I kind of be like she's the same way. I just kind of I just know that that's who I am So I have to embrace it. I'll be like I gotta embrace. I gotta do I can't because you got I looked Your voice sound great. Yep. Whatever, but I look at things different I look at it as if I'm doing something that's gonna help somebody So I just the way you speaking out because you know it puts our sight on the fact of light on your dad And him being locked up and you speaking and that's the part where it motivates me to do it And and and I get confidence behind it because I know that I pray about it So that's what makes me feel like okay. It's cool. Yeah, some people may do something if you like look at this Look at this and I may do it and they be they see it and they like let's look at this and I'm like My wife come here. Let's look here go to Like how you supposed to get better at doing what you're doing if you don't That's so true That's what made me watch some of my interviews because at first I would not watch my and I'll just do it and leave it alone Right, but in order for me to grow I have to hear myself hear what I'm saying and Learn how to tweak it next time to make it come across better. Yeah, did you when you did the drink champs with? Kanye What was your what was your mindset going into that because I think about the small things You know what I'm saying, but it's really big things Because because of the fact of you sitting down on this panel, and you know how many people are about to start about to watch this I didn't know what that was gonna look like. I was you know, I was nervous. I was Canada just It was like I was a More than a flower on the wall. Yeah, you know, I was actually a part of it, but it was still like You know, did you take a drink? I don't think I took a drink because I always think that when I think about drink champs I think everybody go on there and drink and get but you know, I had Before we went I had told Kanye cuz you know, he was doing a Sunday service. Yeah. Yeah all that and I'm like I asked him are you gonna have a Uh A stand-in drink person for you or how you gonna deal with that part? I was surprised that he Took part in the show. I didn't take a drink. I think he I think he took some shots on the show I can't remember but you got to understand, you know, uh, Jesus turned water in the wine, you know, I'm saying that Hey, you know, that's that's his choice of feet to sad not to take a drink, but you didn't take a drink I didn't take a drink, but We know that I I will drink a little bit. I don't I don't um, I don't have an issue with drinking Yeah, I'm being social and having a good time. I wanted to have a drink What did you did when you watch did you watch it afterwards? Because I think that is a big show even even me not with game with you and jay to be honest with you those times I was because I'm locked in with you. Yeah I'm looking at it like okay. What are you doing to my boy to be honest with you like highly highly handling you I don't know jay yet. You know what I'm saying, but you I'm focused in like, okay Okay, I'm up because you know, I know him. I know he ain't really rocking with these cameras like that So Every time it gets a little bit, you know, a little bit better. Yeah, you know, I keep I look at the situation like Either I'm gonna do this or I'm not, you know, that Don't take me all the way into being super comfortable But I just have to keep telling myself what you go do either you go do this or you not go do it You know, so I'm trying to yeah You know do better with it as time goes on. Okay. Do you ever go in your mind be like man? I shouldn't see it that Yeah, that that happens a little bit. Okay. Okay, so I'm thinking now why we going did I say anything that I No, you didn't that ain't what we do Like you I think I think it's and the good thing about it is the more you do it the more comfortable you become with it You know what to say But sometimes you say stuff and certain people can take it and turn it and twist it Yeah, there's all type of things people can do not to create the This this image or this this thing so certain things that I'll put out. I look at this thing for that's why I never do Certain things other people do like this live. I don't do none of that I have to go through it to make sure that there is nothing there and I pray about it And before I even put it out to be honest with you And I try to Think before I speak it's hard though because you get caught in the moment Yeah, but I try to but that's that's a part of who I am as a person like even when I was talking about relationships You don't want to say things that you can't take back. Yeah, because you go home tonight if it's something about the wife You might get checked Like I think a lot of these young guys Like they really start wars. Yeah, you know, I mean with the stuff they say again And they in the moment and say some stuff emotions. Yeah, but Now when you think about like uh you and and and the Kanye thing going back to that And the fact of how drake, you know with drake having a relationship with with with j-prince And them coming together for that moment It was a big thing at the time where they was trying to you know come together for In and you know for the freedom of larry who were like How big was that for you like to see those two guys and they so start up, you know, oh, man I mean you came really uh I don't even know how to uh How to uh describe that it was just it was just big like the fact that These guys came together to do that and knowing that They go back and forth with seeing out of eye and the stuff they had been going to you was and it was serious and we were hoping that um It would lay a platform for other guys out here in the industry, you know, like y'all can get over that Y'all can move forward. It don't we don't need to be Putting on a live drama for the world to see with real people like You know y'all artists y'all both men. Let's move past that and let's hope that some of the other um Young men out here could Move past it because you know people when they camps is really Get hurt when this stuff is going on. We got a lot. We done lost a lot of people like I thought y'all got in the music industry Yeah to change your life. Yeah not getting the industry to have the money to Live the life that you was trying to get away from Yeah, I look at like I said when I seen you and like I said wallow and gilly doing that interview with j And I know wallow been locked up. I've been through some stuff myself You know to to see how he was gonna question about your father because of him being locked up I'm watching all this kind of stuff to be honest with you because we know that when you sit down That's why earlier the questions I was asking you about when a person's locked up and they go through these phases They change man, and they're not even talking to people they have a lot more time to think It's just a different world that you live in when you put in that situation And it'll make you change, you know for me to ever since when I bumped my head never to drink again Never to smoke again 20 20 20 almost 30 years I had had a drink or smoke again in life and and I see I say that when you go through those phases It does something to you to where you change So I know that your father A great change happened Yeah, whether no matter who he was when he got locked up versus for the first few years five years Three years is a long time when you first started out to be honest with you and for him to be there for 50 years Yeah Now you know, this is a totally different person. Well, he he he definitely Made changes from when he went. He was a he was a baby. Yeah You know, I mean and now he's 73, you know, he he used to Smoke weed party do whatever they did because the jail was a lot different back then But he stopped that and he had all his gas stopped that. Wow, you know, I mean uh I seen a lot of people come home And made a change from for the better some people come home do the same thing But I said a lot of people that come home and it was positive for them to go through that But I'd be wishing we didn't have to go through that before we could Be the people that we need to be like our community. It should not be Just something that you do or this is what happens in your life. Like we go to jail Like no, we could be better people without going to jail. You know, you're you're living witness to that But when you Some people came home that did anybody early on or anybody during the time come home and say hey I was locked up with your father Because that had to happen. Oh man, I'm me so me so you see what I'm saying that he helped change in life Oh man, it's yeah plenty of people, you know, and it's crazy because I get jealous of people that's real because they had that time They they have lived with my father. They have spoke with my father. They've woken up and went to the yard and all that like they Have had some time with my father that I've never had but I also know that I never wanted to have it the way they Wait, that's real But yeah, it's like wow you actually Live with and know my father and spend time with him, you know Yeah, I think that's something that I I could imagine only imagine, you know, you meeting these people because people come home and be like, yeah I was with him man. Uh, we kicked it, you know, I'm saying and he told me some things that changed my life, man And that's why I do things different now, you know, because of the way that he's changed, you know It's a lot of them not of them stories out there That he's positively positively impacted and you know, they working doing stuff in the community to try to Assist other people to change their lives. Some people went on to do their businesses And they got that that draft like yeah, there's a lot of people. That's hard man. Um, like, um And I always ask this question. So I got to ask you the question. Uh, like if you was not able to Do anything to You know what I'm about to ask him, right? If you were not able to do anything like you couldn't you couldn't talk about it. You couldn't write about it But somebody was about to Write about your life and who you are as a person. What would you want him to say? If I couldn't do it without they could but they had to do it It's the thing the legacy you leave behind or you in a situation where you can't control what's going on about who you are as a person What would I want to say? What would you want to say? man, I I think I would want to say that I was um See it still would be saying what I would say that you know that I was uh Selfless that I you know that I just um Love the people around me and Did what I could to That I was selfless. I was I wasn't about myself. I worked. It was about others. That's just how that's just how I see it I I wonder about trying to Worry about me but it seemed like it's always been about Trying to make sure everybody else was good or I could help somebody else, you know, I mean I've been fighting for my father my whole life. I'm Love my community. I love my kids. So it's all I love my mother my family. It's always been about Family yeah family and others. I don't really think about myself I have to go sacrifice and do what I need to do to take care of my family You know, that's what it's about That's why your wife does so much for you because she knows that Yeah, yeah bum be um When I talk with him he said that When he passes away or if he's moved on yeah Um, many people gonna come out with different things about ugk and about pimp see and about his legacy stuff That they wouldn't dare come out with now, right We're caring. Uh, I think a Chapman having the video footage of your father. Yeah, and the stuff I don't know if y'all ever it was able to get it or either deal with her on it, but Do you think about sometime how people can spend the narrative on your father or Or on your legacy or who you guys are as a family and with the information that's out there um That stuff that she has I don't think that it was It would just show Who he is. Okay, like I know it's not it's some negative information. It's positive information It just wasn't her information. Okay, you know, I mean she didn't she just didn't own it It was supposed to be for us and she had control of it and she kept it and claimed it as hers You know, so it wouldn't be a negative thing. It would be positive information, but We deserve to to have you know, we deserve to have it. Yeah That's all and and and every night go ahead But yeah, they couldn't spend you go have people that just want to tell the story. They people are more interested in the criminal element of things. You know, they want to talk about the gang because so many people have Got popularity out here from The bloods the crypts and But my father he sees The negative side of things and pushing that as buffoonery You know, I mean he don't believe in trying to If you was doing something illegal You proud of it and you want to Show the world that this is it. You got young people looking at You showing that this illegal activity was what got you to this and that and to boast about it and make them think It's a way of life. Look at what it's doing in our community. So he You know, he don't believe he he believed as part of his path the stuff that he did or what they've been through But it's not really a good look to just Push that. Yeah, you know, yeah, no, I definitely know And just like earlier when I asked you about your mom helping Other females who are going through that same situation in your case You are a son who have grown up without a father. Um, your father's trying to Um be a father from behind bars to you And I know there are a lot of young boys young men who grew up in that same situation. Do you that's why this is empty on this shirt? Right, you know, I keep trying to tell people that and they some people believe that it's like It's just my father. You know, I mean, it's a lot of a lot of yeah Yes, a lot of fathers does not hear some of them Some of them deserve to be where they are It's a lot of them that don't deserve to be where they are So this is you know, it's a movement and it's not a movement just about My father, I think I missed part of the question on what we were getting to how do you help? How do you help or and have you helped? Some of these young boys deal with that you know what I'm I speak when I can and I'm still working there trying to get in these spaces where I could just you know, we can have a conversation we could talk about the The way they see the world and how they can move forward and just trying to Channel that anger. Yeah, because I know that they're angry, especially with if their father was wrongfully convicted or taken away or Maybe even if they were right victim today They said victim to their society or the mindset but they But they still need to have noted Because of your father's situation, you don't have to Try to try to do that or be that Right, whatever He was at the moment is not who you have to be now. Right, you know Wow, um, I go back to Karen Chapman for a second for I'm for the end is like um, I think about the video footage, but I do know that I mean there can be other things for as uh, like Things that you can utilize to Put forth the effort, you know in in creating the right narrative, you know for even though that would do it as well There's all type of technology out here now. Um, but when she's seen him, he wasn't in a Maximum security. He was in it was before that, right? Yeah, he Yeah, that was for their sentiment. Correct. You know, I that was before they sent him away I don't remember if he was still at the state place or the federal thing had started But it wasn't as tight as it is down there down there where yet. Yeah at 80 eggs Yeah Okay, and and the reason I say that because it's just I was trying to figure out another way to get in and get some footage and you know Some positive stuff. I wish we could see him again. You gotta think about this That was years ago and they could choose to do it because I think um, I think God he did that. Yeah But you know, they don't see us the same God. He was yeah My false Italian wow, my father's just the nigger down there and they're crazy problems, you know, that's crazy, man that um Don't fit the criteria to be there. That's real You know, like usually the troublemakers inside the system that may attack guards and That they can't They can't hold or control They send down that they sent him Because people listen to him they feel like if he was in another place that he might Run they jail or what have you? Wow, you know, just because he Because people love him people He's a he's a leader and it's It's innate like they want to take it away from when they want to break them But you know, it's innate. He's not trying to uh destroy the community or Take over the government. He would like something different for his people, but You know, he's a It would be good to have him. It would be good to have Malik in they older ages Even in the younger ages, but some people that would Like the way we living out here in Chicago and it's not just Chicago was all across the country like It's not a good look for us. Yeah, I mean you're killing each other over nothing like over just Anchor like it's not even worth it, you know And and and I say that I was talking to somebody here in the inner city like It's everywhere when you look at the rappers the hip hop The people our black people man our people that look like us For some reason, I mean, it's tough man, you know, I mean you see Yeah, they like this is what it is and no, it don't have to be why Why it's gotta be that we hate each other That's real, you know That's why I changed brother be honest with you. I I knew I didn't want to be Um I ain't want to be like that the rest of my life, you know what I'm saying Leave people around hustling trying to figure out ways to you know, manipulate people into doing whatever in different cities That ain't where I wanted to stay, you know as a young man, I figured that out It's like, uh, it didn't take a lot for me. You know, I'm saying like, okay I see what your head on But you got a head on the swivel from the other People that's out here in the streets from the police from like we got enough to worry about why we came to try to raise our families and to come up to Work together to make this be different for us. We like just fall prey to The plan has been set for us from years ago like the They always talk about the government and the powers to be and what have you like They don't have to do nothing at this point. It's already It's in our heads and we had this uh these ideologies and we pass it down and we just fall Right into place. I gotta ask you this before I get you off here one. This is the last question, man I'm surprised my wife ain't asked you. This is her question. Uh, uh Mental illness. Do you ever sit down with a with a counselor? And This is what she used to ask and I was like, she ain't never really have your ass laver there Like do you agree with with sitting down with count? I don't do it. Okay I counsel for For like going through the stuff that you face on a daily telling somebody about you There's not a thing that I don't knock nobody for doing it either But there's just some they talk about on my show a lot. You know what I'm saying So, you know what I have not Done that I have thought about it. You know what the thing is I believe it's good about that See like when you talk to a friend or somebody And you tell them certain information I think the thing is that um Them hold known to your information It's probably why the counselor makes it good There you go because once you tell a uh, you know once you tell If you talk to your friend or don't talk to anybody you holding it in if you talk to a friend Like what if you and that friend fall out and this You know, I mean your personal information your feelings or you tell somebody's son and they feel a certain way about How you feel me, you know, that might be like retarded to them. Yeah, you know, I mean they it might be funny to them or I think just the counselor thing may be okay. I've never done it because I've never done it either Larry and they talk about it on the show often That's why I had to ask you because I didn't I'm not by myself now see Yeah, I ain't never just sit down in no room and tell nobody let me just drop this load on now I have Met people at the store that I knew I wasn't gonna see no more and just dump right there. Yeah, that was a counselor And I'll be trying it out You know what I'm saying? I'm like, let me try this right quick I put a dump this right quick and I told the woman everything and I hope like hell. I never see you again Nobody Counselors are legally binding that they're not supposed to tell unless you're trying to hurt yourself or hurt somebody else That's the only time they you know can say anything But otherwise from that they're legally binding and you can't just think you tell you tell your brother this that The third me and my wife having these issues blizzards keep y'all like that. She do this and did it And then he don't like her because of that. Yeah, or he go tell somebody this You know, I mean he get mad at her Yeah, all of it is just the way so but if you tell a counselor She ain't gonna tell nobody. I don't know but you know what I like about he ain't gonna tell nobody You can sue him for that like yeah, you can you can sue them if it comes out But the other thing that I like about a counselor, which I've never seen a counselor before but or if you have a Friend that you can confide in that not gonna tell your business or something like that is that people With open mind that can give you another perspective because sometimes we tend to think one track mind Especially when we're dealing with people that we love So if you have somebody there and usually counselors are very I'm trained and equipped to tell you okay, so Think about it in this way or why are you feeling this way? Is it because of something you saw your mom did or your relationship with your mom and your dad or blah blah blah Things that you never would have thought about before they makes you be like, huh Yeah, they don't they don't tell you like what to do see people think if you go to a counselor like they got all the answers they just help you Think through and do your situation and like she said look at it. It's a shrink Yeah, that's what it is. It ain't no you have a counselor then But the shrink but the shrink don't have the answers the shrink help you just walk you through it I give you exercises because You have to continually do some retrain your mind retrain your thinking to be able to overcome certain things To move a different way. Well. Hey, man. Thank you so much for coming on the show. How can people get a hold of you if they're trying to reach out? man, uh Mainly through instagram, maryland junior. I'm the school on instagram. I have um what's my uh Free my father, you know, I had a I had a um free my father dot com I had these these shirts where people can Do that. It's just a movement. It speaks to To present reform. It speaks to You know, young people out here in the world is going through this type of thing even older people, you know Yeah, you should sell those like crazy. Yeah, it's believe they do not sell like crazy They should like for my father free my mother my brother my this anything everybody need to come Where can I can I get these shirts? Yeah, free my father dot com. All right. We put a sell out that's now it's up They come in all different colors and sizes and everything black But if you know people like the white and they want to um, so this is the first time you put in the white out there I think it's been seen, but I never I haven't sold the white. Okay. Okay. Okay. You know how y'all had a Boss talk to him. I'll be saying dang. I didn't get Ah That's kind of how that is man. Thank you for uh coming on the show man. Happy birthday again, man. You made it I mean, uh, you're a little younger than me. So, you know, I'm saying don't don't respect respect But one thing we didn't talk about though. Do I remember? Um, your wife told me about, um, your new diet Venture. Okay. What's going on? You know, I'm I'm I'm I try and do my best to deal with um, right health and wellness, so I'm trying to um A new product Zenzino, you know, I'm I'm being my own guinea pig You know, I mean it's omega threes like it's supposed to have a certain balance with omega threes and I'm I'm trying out a product and you know, I seen a So far I've seen a good response. I like it. I like it I got a good response from a friend of mine's mother that took it and she was like in hospice and She's doing better, but I had to be my own guinea pig before I really push it push it But yeah, I'm trying to deal with omega three does for the body. Well, that makes it so good So it it helps you it helps your brain. It's just the you're supposed to have some fatty acids and what our diet like we may not I don't even eat fish at all. But right and there's other sources to get it from but We don't eat the we don't eat the right things. Everything is processed all the stuff that we supposed to have through natural foods Our diet is pretty much without it. So sometimes you have to supplement to um, right to get everything that you that you're missing You know, we won't me eat some uh Tater chips and Snickers bars and you know, yeah with this tablet because I know that whenever I take omega three sometimes Whenever I burp you can almost taste the Oil and all of that. Do you have that with this or you don't taste it? I mean, I don't think it's no way around Yeah, it's no way it's no way around that part. It's flavor. Okay, you know, it's different flavors But yeah, I don't think you can get around that. Well, okay, Larry It's about over. Yeah, it's been another great segment A boss talk 101 where the bosses talk and we out