 Because our conscious awareness is such a fantastical mechanism that, see, the cosmos can't look at itself, right? It's just stuff falling the rules of physics. But here humans arise on this huge probability platform that cycles for over four billion years, and our brains are at the top of that platform, and when we look out at the cosmos, we are the cosmos seeing itself for the first time. So it's an amazing thing because your consciousness looks back at its own origins. That creates what spiritual teachers call a non-dual union. But it's a different kind of non-dual union, not with sort of a psychic space, or the space of religious tradition or spiritual tradition. It's a non-dual union with the total emergence and evolution of life. And that's going to be a different kind of non-dual union that's broader, I think, because it's all-encompassing. Boom, what's up, everyone? Welcome to Simulation. I'm your host, Alan Sokian. We are at the Transformative Technology Conference, an incredible gathering of human beings. We have the opportunity and the great pleasure now of sitting down with Bruce Dahmer. Thank you. Thank you for coming on to our show. You're so welcome. Greatly appreciate it. And I'm so excited for this conversation. Bruce is a scientist who studies the origin of life at UC Santa Cruz. And I love studying the origin of life, as you guys know, and also about the current state of life and where we're going in the future. So this is going to be, I'm super excited. So before we jump in to where you're kind of like currently really focused and passionate about, you know, tell me who the hell are you? How did you even get to who you are? How did I get here? Yeah. After four billion years. Finally. I'm a kid from Canada, from British Columbia, and I was always dreaming. My mind was always going into the far future and back into the past. And I used to walk in nature all the time, and I dreamed up this stuff. And then read about Albert Einstein, who did the same thing, but he rode a bike around like a madman. And so that's how I thought all of science was done. So I just led my life through thought experiments, the imagination sort of matrix. And went through many lives. And here I am, 56. And right on schedule, we came up with the potential solution for how life began on Earth, which was my dream when I was 14. Oh, man. Okay. So I love where you took me at the very beginning, which was this kind of this young Bruce that just experientially liked to learn through, was it mostly alone and with nature? Yeah. Yeah. So that was the era of the first generation of Star Trek, which I got into. Later, Captain Kirk, William Shatner, beamed me out of my cray supercomputer museum in my barn. But I used to walk along and see the sagebrush as little oak trees and realize I was like a commander and that I could create imaginal worlds, like civilizations that were down there. And then I made them in my imagination. And I drew thousands of drawings of illustrations of these worlds. So because we're all bored in school, right? So I just poured it out in these elaborate civilizations that I drew over years and years, yeah. Okay. I have to say I have fallen in love with two words recently, two words that make a field that I haven't even heard that exists really yet. It's universe design. All right. Hold on. Well, a year ago or so, my dreams all came true. Like we came up with a model for how life began, through these cycling pools, hot spring pools. But at the same time, my other dream was how to give life a path into the cosmos. Right? Because Earth is a womb, but it's a tomb, right? We got to burst out. And that's the other track that I've been working on. Yes. They both came into realization in the same day and the two TEDx talks I did, parallel TEDx talks morning and evening, and then the publication of the technical articles for how to expand into space and how to figure out how we began were published in the same day in two different journals. And so I was walking up in skyline here. I feel so much of me and you. Yeah. Well, I asked the field, how could this all have come about in such a miraculously co-joined, perfectly timed process? And in my ear came the voice, well, it's your universe. It's your universe. So then I realized that each of us walks along with this brain case with neural connections that actually outnumber the countable particles in the cosmos, right? Our brains are deeply ramified matter that are bigger than the cosmos at the countable level. And so when we walk around, we shape probability all around us, even though we're not aware of it. So our dreams become reality against all odds. And we are walking universes. Yeah. Yeah. I see it in your eye. I so want to ask you so many questions. There's so much to talk about. I want to stay where you were just at and then we can talk about the origin of life and the civilization of birthing from the womb. Okay, so where we were just at. Tell us more about this. This, we are each in our own universe? I think that because our conscious awareness is such a fantastical mechanism that, see, the cosmos can't look at itself, right? It's just stuff following the rules of physics. But here humans arise on this huge probability platform that cycles for over four billion years and our brains are at the top of that platform and when we look out at the cosmos, we are the cosmos seeing itself for the first time. Yes. So many, you know, serious, gear head scientists actually have written about this. The cosmos became self-aware. Yes. Because we are self-aware and we're made of the cosmos. Yes. And so what does that really mean? What does that really mean? It means that the cosmos itself is imaged and comes into reality, a different reality in your mind and in your network than in any other, right? Because, but you are such a large system, you have 13 trillion cells, 100 trillion gut bacteria and 14 quadrillion mitochondria that are spinning and making energy. So your system is immense. So compared to, say, the complexity of a galaxy, you totally outclass a galaxy in terms of the complexity, just you walking along. So as you walk along, the interconnected network of probabilities that are constantly working through your system and through evolution, through the biosphere, is so large that it's literally rendering a reality in real-time click, click, click, click, click, which is a reality of the cosmos itself. And as we as scientists start looking out in, you know, the Hubble or the James Webb, it's just coming up where we'll actually see the ignition of the cosmos. And somebody like me, whose mind is back in the Hadian era, rooting for progeny and protocells to make it through the cycles. Now we have a model that's testing out in the field in actual hot springs. I'm rooting for them. My mind is back over four billion years ago in their little protocellular world where they're not able to divide, but they're going through cycles, combinatorial selection cycles. And they're lifting into the first cellular life in that birthing period where I live a lot of the time now. But my consciousness is in them. It's in them and it's cycling with them and it's giving them the hopes and dreams. We know that it worked. But if you put yourself back 4.2 billion years ago, there was no guarantees that life would actually emerge. Lift it out of inanimate matter, you know? So that was the cosmos birthing a whole new layer through its clockwork mechanisms. You know, it's probably why it came into existence. So it's an amazing thing, because your consciousness looks back at its own origins. That creates what spiritual teachers call a non-dual union. It's a different kind of non-dual union, not with sort of a psychic space or the space of religious tradition or spiritual tradition. It's a non-dual union with the total emergence and evolution of life. And that's going to be a different kind of non-dual union that's broader, I think, because it's all-encompassing. The origin of life is a non-dual union. And your conception of it. So when your mind opens to the largeness of the cosmos, it goes into the state of awe. When your mind looks down into cells and how complex the machinery is. But when your mind goes back to see the trials and tribulations of protocellular life coming in, and you feel in your heart for it, that's a total union. That's a total union. And could I also say that even when I look back just even a thousand, ten thousand at the birth of agriculture, when I look back a six million at the monkey-to-human transition, when I look back at the dinosaur 65 million, and this is all part of my heart. This is part of my soul. This is part of the union with life. It is. It beautifully said. Yeah. And there's just this... There's something that just makes me... Or does it? It makes me cry because I've been obsessing over the 100 billion people that lived and died before us today to build this beautiful world we live in. I've been obsessing about it so much that I've been writing about it and making clips about it and I'm really excited to take it to the next level soon. I'm not in any rush to take it to the next level either because I want it to be... I want it to take time and do it the right way. And the obsession of that has drawn the deepest amounts of empathy and gratitude out of my soul. I think you hit it as empathy and gratitude. That's really the soul way we can connect with this. When we feel the gratitude and we also are presented with the incredible chance that we even exist because rocky worlds don't hold their liquid water. We now know this. Mars is an example. I just came back from the Mars 2020 landing site meetings where we're down to three sites now. And last year I presented the case for where you would find life on Mars based on a hot spring origin and then the escape of life down into the Martian rock because the surface became uninhabitable. It became sterilizing. And so Mars died maybe even as life started there. Venus went straight to a hot house situation and the Earth by some miracle held onto liquid oceans for three and a half billion years long enough for complex life. That's no guarantee. We are a blessed result of fortuitous chance that is so extraordinary. That for me is like the ultimate gratitude and there may be no alien civilizations within 50 parsecs of this place. There may be nothing because as Kepler looks at more exosolarism we go, oh my gosh, we are so extraordinary. We are so rare and extraordinary. And it gives us like we may be alone effectively. And in that case the magnificence of what this is and what each human being from Donald Trump to the little baby they are all extraordinary miracles of creation, all of them. And if we look into our souls the good news in the early 21st century is we now know how humans boot up as an operating system. We know trauma. We have internal family systems. Basically brain scans that show us how the brain works. We have tools like psychedelics, like meditation, like everything here like muses and biobeats that just came from there. We have the most incredible tools to help us heal. So we are not coming from parts. We are not coming from trauma. So that we won't self-emolate. We won't destroy this world and destroy ourselves. And we finally got the boot codes in time, just in time. Would you say that on the other side of the traumas that are kind of generational in many ways? That on the other side of that is the unity. Because you were talking about the incredible technologies that are here and almost all of the technologies that are at the Transformers Technology Conference are about unity. And in fact, Joe Hudson this morning we did about an hour and a half of basically eye-gazing between completely strange people. Joe was so skillful. We had him on the show. He answered my... I usually ask a couple questions at the end of the show. He's the first person that ever so quickly I ask the question what's the most beautiful thing in the world. And he was just like, now. And looking in each other's eyes right now. Yeah. And I do... I learned about that maybe like four or so years ago about the... what... looking into someone's eyes for those long periods of time. There's no hate. No hate, not a drop of hate. And then then the... the profound overwhelming sense of love and connection and then to replicate that with other people and then Joe so gratefully does his... does his work. And he's bringing it into business and finance and hardcore high tech, right? So, you know, I look at these people that are at the tops of their games. We had Kyle Kingsbury came over and to do his podcast for On It, right? It was a fantastic company that just learned about fats and brain health and everything. He's like WFC Champion like two, three things. And he's like the most testosterone driven guy but he has so much love coming. He is so... He's like an avatar for the decent, beautiful human being. A beautiful man. And so is Joe Rogan. And these are the toughest fighters in our society. So these are guys in WFC that come in and look at what they are. Look at their... look at their power, look at their hearts. And I told Kyle Kingsbury, I said you are an avatar for some of the greatest hope in humanity. You sitting here right there. You could take my neck and ring it now. I mean there is so much power. There is the most body power but they are totally integrated beautiful humans and they are the hope. So they can face they can face the traumatized power because look at how powerful they are. Yeah. There is something about the... It makes me cry because Joe in many ways is what I would say if not the leading interviewer of our time. Yeah. And one who partakes in that many conversations with that many diverse leaders from around the world is really going to become a very intelligent multidisciplinary mind and I that is why I am also doing this. That is why you are doing this. And it is the golden age of this work and you are in the middle of it. Earth needs stewardship and I am going to propel that as best as I can. Needs new public intellectuals and branches that are fearless. Our tagline is re-birthing the public intellectual. Oh is it? I just met on the out just for your listeners and viewers the kind of people that are here. So James Hanusa was walking in and we talked and talked about another powerful public intellectual with digital reign and the SLM programs they are doing and all the programs. They are everywhere. Powering up the new public intellectual and they are fearless and they are fearless because they have faced their own demons. They have done medicine journeys which would strip the paint off of most of us. So they faced harsher fears than you can in say a board room or in a political office. So it is like what phases them? Nothing. They care about the future of this experiment and they are here. We are going to make it. I have no doubt. We have got the dream team. We have got the cohort to do this thing. I meet them all over the world. I am traveling all over the world talking about how life began. Here is a big one for you for public intellectual. This is going to be as powerful for the 2020s as relativity was for the 1920s. Einstein his general special relativity were proven by the eclipse of 1919 when Mercury's light actually not Mercury, it was a star light was bent around the sun and so he was sponsored on a tour of America in 1921 with Charlie Chaplin. He became the first scientific rock star with his funny hair and Charlie Chaplin and he did not know what was going on for the camera. This is the beginning of media. Short films, film was booming. The 1920s was the most modernizing decade until the 60s in the 20th century. So you had the rise of electronic training, trading, radio, consumerism, women's lib. It was an incredible decade. New literature, new theater, fascism rose. The post-kingship world just exploded and what rolled that from science was the theory of relativity. There was no base. Everything's relative to everything else. Everything is changing. Even time is variant. And I believe that our origin of life model where we're empirically showing that life started from a community, not an individual is such a powerful change. It's a powerful role for the 2020s. So we believe we're going to be able to show that an individual little protocell at the beginning is too wobbly and doesn't have enough molecular functions to do anything. It falls apart. But in a clump, in a sludge in what's called the progenote is the unit of selection. So the roots of the tree of life is not individuals, it's a community. So we came from a community complex in collaboration. That's a big change. And so there was a term coined by Herbert Spencer in the 19th century that survival of the fittest. We all know it. And Charles Darwin was sort of brow beaten to put it in the third volume of his great book into the origin of species. And he didn't like it. He used natural selection. And so the fittest came into the language and the culture as a very Victorian term. Who are the fittest? The white Victorians. The brown people aren't, etc. And it was used to justify death, pogroms, genocides in the 20th century called social Darwinism. We have the chance now of rolling survival of the fittest out of our lexicon, out of our culture. Because we started as a collaborative community and these are collaborative communities, are cities. Everything is a collaborative community. But the isolation created by that term of I must defend myself and win against all others is destructive. The separation, the stories of separation, the fake news, the panic, right? That's the crux point that we're at. But out of science, out of hardcore reduction of science will roll this realization like seeing the earth from space 8. Overview effect. This little sludge growing in the bottom of a dish that's evolving and scientists in lab coats pointing to it and said, this is a putative way that life began on earth and it's a community. We started from a community, not an individual. And that'll power its way into the culture in a beautiful way. And I'm hoping it's the 2020s in honor of Einstein 1921 emergence. When you first started talking about Einstein and Chaplin, I was thinking about, what would it look like to have a hardcore scientist with hardcore entertainer on stage playing, playing, dancing, having fun and teaching. What would that look like in this new age of media? And then I also, as you were talking... I've been doing these shows with DJs and dancers and we created this with Android Jones. So Android Jones did our first show, we did it at Lightning in a Bottle on huge screens and he was doing live painting and then we did shows all last year and in the burning man pyramid the Playa Alchemist last year. And what are you doing at the live shows and the painting you said? What I do is, literally we set it up so there's fantastic music written by DJ Dazal DJ Dazal DJ Dazal, Vell Santana and they do it and he plays live violin to invoke what's coming and the whole place goes like, we did this at the Saturday Night Sand Show last year we did this there. So then comes in that show Samantha came and gave the invocation and then Jasmine came was a fantastic dancer. So she danced the energies up and then the album goes quiet and then there's a thunder clap and I walk out and I'm wearing my wizard, whatever I'm doing and I come out, I'm lit beautifully and then the VJ starts to do the visuals and then I look at the audience and the story is ranged from where we came from to where we're going and they're all tuned to a 23 year old kind of millennial audience but it generally works for everyone. In the festival scene or at Burning Man where there's a lot of distractions to hold that audience so I've been doing that now for two years as a show, yeah. So any of your viewers want to have a performance and that's an example. What is the name of this performance that occurs? We have a different name every time. The troop is called Wizards Light. Wizards Light? That could be L-I-G-H-T the light of inspiration or Wizards L-I-T a little bit funny and a little bit non-serious. The one we did two years ago was called Fire in the Sky because it turns out that everything in our history has been started with the fire in the sky. The sun. The cosmos, the sun then the volcanoes that pushed up through the oceans that laid the landscapes to cycle the origin pools and then you had these other fires that were from the sky into the mines. You had the asteroid impact that was a fire in the sky that pushed evolution. And then the prosimians the little two inch ancestors of all apes and monkeys their fire in the sky was the dawn over the rainforest where they were creeping out on the limb to try to get tree sap and berries and they were getting snapped down by snakes and that's what gave us our visual cortex that gave us our ability to see phones and patterns it's 50, 60 million years of snake snapping or not snapping. That's why we are the way we are is because of the constant evolution with snakes and serpents. Yeah. And then that snakes and serpents were from the ocean creatures also had light or no light Yeah. Light or no light and then when we discovered fire you know when Africa split in half and we had to make fire to cook meat to digest it because that was our food source. Yeah. And then of course the fire the light of civilization that came through and then Alamogordo the fire of Trinity that we didn't get consumed by that we didn't self emulate and now the light has turned on back the Ellicinian mystery brought the Ellicinian potions of LSD and mushrooms back into human consciousness right up here in SF you know in the 60's and it's now rolled through to re-enlighten the human intellect and the human healing of the soul so that light turned on again and then the turning on of the light of the internet of our cyber being that we've fashioned that lights up every face you know constantly and that's a new form of a serpent that either can coil around you and take all your prana that really evolves us so the serpent is back looking at us through our smart phones and maybe VR and then we're being pushed and pushed and pushed again so that's my story tomorrow actually the talk I'll tell the story on stage tomorrow morning yeah Oh these wizard lights we have so much to explore because there's a lot to tell I was in New Zealand recently doing these hot spring experiments and I flew down to Wellington as I was invited by this fellow named Sir Richard Taylor to go through Weta Workshop so it's where they made Lord of the Rings and the Hobbit they made 50 other films Blade Runner 2049 and everything so it's the world's greatest physical set construction costumery studio so for three hours they gave me a tour of how they made make everything then at the end they handed me Gandalf's sword so I have it I can send you a picture of this glamduring and the sword masters on one side and Richard Taylor on the other side and he declared me to be a young budding Gandalf the graying so I've now taken that role on and I'm actually now building Gandalf's house and my property here in the Seneca's mountains with their help so we're going to Thailand to get Thai artists to make copies they've sent us thousands of pictures from the Lord of the Rings and drawings, artists, original renderings so we can get the Gandalf's house looking like Gandalf's house would be and Gandalf didn't have a house but we all got together and figured he deserved one and this is what it would look like so this time next year you can come and we can interview there an on-site interview would be super fun in Gandalf's house Gandalf's house so that's my wizard's light for the rest of my life will be there wizard's light is like it's the synthesis of life that delivers inspiration to the souls of others that's a lot of what I aim to do with the art and creativity that I'm aiming to manifest now so that's really exciting and I'm looking forward to other videos on the internet that we can link in the bio of it damer.com will have the two TEDx talks opening of space and the origin of life there's a lot of stuff out there now because I've been just touring for years now there's tons of your talks awesome links in the bio damer.com and the levityzone podcast which is my own personal diary of this journey and levityzone.org that came one night in a conversation with Terrence McKenna you probably know from back in the day but Terrence used to talk about novelty all the time novelty curves and singularities and stuff and one night I said to him Terrence we have enough novelty we need more levity so that's why our civilization needs to feel better about itself and see itself in more levity and more light, more humor not be doom and gloom and so that's what the podcast is about and so that levity and light and inspiration can be creatively delivered in so many ways I find things like the 100 billion that have lived and died before us today to build this world to be something that I'm just extremely passionate about you find the last 4 billion years to be extremely passionate I do too and a proper synthesis of that to a point today which increases the amount of levity is so gorgeous okay here's the other thing that I wanted to bring up from where you were speaking I'm excited to hear what you have to say about this I've had a decent amount of contemplations around about evolution and about natural selection and it seems to me from the more that I look at it the more I realize that the proper integration of all humans into humanity rather than dehumanization so it's not I am intelligent therefore you are inferior therefore I advance and you die that is old school that's old school the new school is I the new school is we are now evolving with evolution is now evolving to select for altruism and the ones that choose to be most altruistic and assist in the in the long term sustainable development of society as every human is a different color on the color wheel not a significant because it's so weird putting things on like an IQ bell curve and then saying like we're just all different colors those things are so strange to say in the same thing same phrase there's a way of seeing this here's a simple way of seeing this so here you have a field of little entities competing somewhat for resources generally for most of the history of life on earth the consortium that's the model for microbial communities the consortium model they kind of compete but they also the top layer distribute sunlight the products of sunlight down to the lower layers and so the community evolves as a unit but then what happens is a grid or a pressure comes slapping down on that community and kills most of it in the process of natural selection a few members climb up through and they're tough enough to survive the new conditions whether it be more drying higher ultraviolet radiation or something or lack of resources and then they scrabble together and they repopulate on top of the grid and then another grid comes slamming down and then they climb again and in the dream one night there's a mass and the entity in the dream said this is how you were made and it is more like lifting and gifting so you lift up the polymeric the beautiful polymeric products that will allow you to survive that that you are somehow given sometimes by random chance sometimes by consortia action and then you gift it to the next level that then survive on the desert island and then some other entity or other future group is going to go that next step and that next hill climb that's actually the process that made us and it seemed from a completely different perspective so individuals lift themselves into their best abilities and they give to the next generation and that's how all of human civilization successful sometimes has been built because the civilization invented brick making or maybe the Chinese invented a whole lot of technology and then maybe China fell because of wars and plagues and things and a little bit of that invention came writing or paper making came to Europe and then the Europeans invented something else that then Europe then fell and this is this whole thing and that's actually how we were made and survival of the fittest is nowhere in there and I was told by the entity this term survival of the fittest killing your civilization and killing this world you must replace it because this is the actual mechanism that made you you've got the mechanism right but the language is wrong and it's very important to change that out which is exactly what you were coming to rather than survival of the fittest it is lifting and gifting yeah lifting and gifting new metaphor and so all of us in our lives are doing that we make our children we try to give to our children the next the best tools and we in the healing arts we're constantly lifting and gifting and then where does the where does the where are the parameters of children for each individual because some people think it's the earth some people think it's the family it's the community I think it's the whole thing so if you raise a child that doesn't isn't fraught by traumas or if a child experiences a traumatic experience early on there's extremely flexible plastic they can go through healing quickly so if we give them those tools like this is why school yard bullying is ending thank goodness because look at what it did right but certain kinds of parenting that are very demanding so the tiger parenting is extremely damaging to children it's called bulldozer parenting now bulldozer parenting because they just go through and bulldoze all the obstacles for the child so that the child has no obstacles in its way so we create a different kind of human that way totally but we're at least now self aware that we're doing damage to the next generation perhaps them getting technology too soon is changing their brain chemistry because of all the dopamine but we at least are self aware of the risks that we're running whereas in past generations it just sort of happened and nobody paid any attention so society becoming self aware this could give us real problems interesting we're becoming more self aware of what we are building we now have a better connected communications infrastructure to have more of those harder conversations and parents like the suicides in Palo Alto here like a dozen young people jumping onto caltrain tracks from upper middle class privileged families because why no love hard driving rigid kind of parenting drove these young people to take their lives now of course what did the community do it built a fence and put a security guard that's not a good response but another part of the community was like we have to own this that we are destroying our young people through this crazy mania of driving them for performance and there's no love they feel nothing and they don't know they don't know that they're running a deficit they just go fall into dark depression and they take their lives on the railroad tracks in Palo Alto that's a strong message that's already the top .1% on the planet of wealth look what we're doing so we're making huge mistakes but I think that you know here's trans tech in the heart of Palo Alto this kind of thing is happening in Palo Alto I think Palo Alto people are smart enough to say we've just made a huge mistake we must have a community meeting and there will be emotion there will be feeling and passion and we found out it is actually unhealthy to drive a young person so hard but society told us well they need to get through Stanford or Ivy League and they need to be this way and have five appointments a day and we found out that's actually not not right we need to pull back from that so before it would just be done and now there's awareness of that and there's open people feel safe enough to have that conversation that's a big change you know okay that's a heavy one but we're sitting in the heart of it right here what's going on with with the Rohingyns as well is heavy that's over a million people now are having moved to Bangladesh for Myanmar oh is that that? that camp that refugee camp quickly over became the largest in the world and just like that and yeah so you know here's you know it's crazy because you know how does one determine okay 12 people top 0.1% is a certain color then there's the million plus being displaced to Bangladesh that's a significant amount more people but they are not 40 miles away from us and that's a different color so where do resources go how do resources properly get funneled down the hierarchy to those and I think the more that people feel the pain like that they don't just gloss over and get the instant news feed and they feel the pain of those others the more human we are going to become and that through the heart like Joe was saying if you feel it deeply in your heart you can make it real that's a big change for entrepreneurship and for any kind of and the way I see it is I give this metaphor all the time when people get lose hope there's a hand that's moving up it's the visible hand of crazy news and whatever you know it's the hand of in a way it's like Darth Vader but then there's the Jedi there's like Luke moving up here and it's mostly hidden and so the tools and what's being done here in trans tech is part of this hand and they are co-evolving they push against each other so this hand of craziness and darkness and trauma needs to have that other one to push against for it to rise and they're co-evolving and the millennials I talked to see both of them they see them clearly and they jump back and forth they had childhoods where they saw trauma here and they see powerful loving things here and they're like in the middle of it they're riding it and it's just pushing pushing and it's just evolution at work and so one of the things Master Yoda said in Star Wars or maybe a good place to end was that he said something like Jedi need powerful empire develop skills so that we need that we need something to work against right so they're all these magic people powerful people powerful technologists heartfelt people that art filled people they need that force to evolve and grow and as they grow more and more powerful that force grows powerful we need something to evolve against and eventually it will merge it will dissolve into one thing and our trauma will be met and we'll be healed as a species and we'll make it and no matter what the planet's going to throw us we're going to make it through that mesh so many times and we've lifted and we've kept gifting and lifting and gifting and gifting until we we just make it we just we break out and we come into this union you know it'll be like Childhood's End you know Arthur C. Clark and it's happening you know and I just have complete faith and this is going where it should because we're so rare that for the cosmos like we're the one shot in this little parsec here and so there's a lot at stake there's a lot more in the game than we can see, than we can sense yes the roots that reach down to hell are able to sprout the leaves that reach up to heaven that's great that's a good one as well I like the way you explain the light and the dark and it can definitely be destabilizing a lot to bounce back and forth through the two and you've got to have strong community around you to be able to help ground and you know yourself well because each of us has those hands inside we all have that so when we see it in society oh yeah there's societal trauma just like my trauma and then you soften to it and you open with empathy societal trauma totally and societal trauma is our trauma yeah what are the forces at play on earth that are hyper-dimensional I think us are they through is it through us or are we not is consciousness localized here in this vehicle is there a soul that comes through this vehicle I think it's a huge interconnected mesh that we can't see but we can feel so we can't know it intellectually but we can feel it and operate with it so for example what I do when I come to a conference like this is I kind of let myself be taken over by that so I don't go somewhere because I think it's a good idea to go sit at that table I get moved by this feel like my body's slow I'm standing down I'm standing here and then suddenly I'm standing next to this person who's incredibly important to my mission but I'm not figuring it out I'm like a string puppet in that mode just being moved around because I'm a faithful instrument of the field for our survival that's how I've led my life faithful instrument of the field for our survival because it's doing this chess move like for the monkeys to get through we need to do this and they're highly improbable events being brought into actuality by this sheer magnitude of what this probabilistic field is and you can test it you can actually you can walk out the door one day and say I'm just going to be in a negative state and I'm going to be thinking and worrying all day and watch how it shakes the field all the people you work deal with at the grocery store and when you're driving and everything and then you go out the next day and it's like I'm going to do breath work I'm going to get really clear I'm going to make love and I'm going to go out and I'm just going to be in a state of gratitude and warmth and love to everyone I meet and watch how that shapes the field it's like so different you can just do scientific A-B testing on this thing on your own life that is a really easy action item as long as people can stick to it it's a conscientiousness thing you got to hold that contract with yourself to be negative or be upset all these lower vibrational feelings and if they are they're a part of you that was hurt a long time ago and then you give that love and then you give that love and it's coming up and it's like yeah yeah I think there is a lot more to unpack this is hopefully one of many times that we sit down together I want a quick dose into you kind of brought it up a couple of times but the future you're very optimistic and but realistic as well about what is going on and even with exponential technology even with what we're seeing it's all coming together quite perfectly so if you look back at the year 1990 on the verge of the collapse of the superpowers potential thermonuclear war in 1970 crazy world nobody knew where anything was 1950 the world was half devastated by World War II 1930 we're coming into a terrible depression 1910 we're coming into the first trench like first completely human machine war those were not good times I saw an image of Pearl Harbor being bombed and I was just like you know not good so it rolled to 2010 2010 okay whoa everyone's getting connected nuclear weapons have been set down from the time we went through the nightmare of 9-11 and all that nonsense which was really a hold over from you know a really primitive way of thinking on both sides 2010 the smart phone arrives the world is interconnected we have our local challenges but 2010 was the first sort of do decadal year where according to all measures it was 2010-2013 where the peak of human health and interconnectedness I think 2013 was seen as like the absolute humans had never had it so good as far as health and opportunities and there was less violence because the amount of global violence has been dropping substantially and it's amazing and so we're in this decade and we have the craziness we have the traumas we have refugee camps as you pointed out but we have something else we have this powerful new connectedness that we've never had as a species and the understanding of the bootcodes of humans the most powerful tools we've ever had for healing from the psychedelics to all the endogenous tools and the ability to tell ourselves our story we have everything we need to go forward we really do there isn't one great existential external nightmare damically sword hanging over us like there has been for the last 100 years there really has been it's not there you know we pick it up we can make a new one in our heads and say oh that's our new damically sword but there is nothing like there was in those decades it's such a better world right now yes and there are still weaponry that can be accessed even easier and even more varied ways which requires a lot of civilization figuring out we're self aware anyone with a smartphone can take a video of anything and we know about it unfiltered that's an amazingly powerful like yeah just like instant great powers used to be able to hold secrets and they can't corporations can't hold secrets everything is an open face it's an amazing time this has never been before and stuff changes so fast in roles the system the financial system roles cryptocurrency replacing fiat then crashes and then a new one comes and a new one and the serpent of civilization is undulating so rapidly that no one can control it there's no one driving it just throws people off and it is on a move and so the meta-beings of the millennials and people like yourself are like yeah we know this this dynamic of this continuous flow we live in this flow we don't have a tight grip on the old it's a very interesting time to be alive on the planet and I wonder if we used to say those same words every time period beforehand you go back to the year 1000 where they were worried about the millennia we had the Y2K problem that no one had a standard calendar so nobody knew when Y1K was in the 900s there was this apocalyptic thing going on it seems to be especially in the the European soul needs the apocalypse to motivate it to go forward whereas in South Asia you find that no it's a regenerative cycling system it's very cultural wow so much more to unpack soon wizards light and we'll finish with another master Yoda so another master Yoda was Luke meets his father who is Darth Vader Darth Vader asks Luke take off this mask what happened Luke sees the gentle pained eyes of Darth and there is a healing of the empire it happened and that's when those forces they did yeah perfectly and then they did yeah and that's one of the stories told by in the bay area that's a great story we tell humanity made right here in the bay area and everyone knows yeah wow you're so welcome I'm grateful to meet you and we'll do this again thank you for everything that you're doing and for everything that you're teaching thanks everything you're bringing forward thank you everybody for tuning in we would love for you to comment below with your thoughts we'd love to continue the conversation we have a public telegram we ask questions about the show also go and build the future go and manifest your dreams into the world go and execute go 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