 Rebecca, of course, the time to have a look at what the people are saying. Definitely. We'll start off with the punch newspaper. But just before then, let's let you know that we have Chris, Cain de Wandu, who joins us this morning. The de-tribalized Nigerian. I'd like to just remember that he's also an arbitrator. You know, the United Kingdom, by the way. But he's right here with us in Lagos. Chris, it's always a delight to have you join us every time and off the press. It's always a delight joining talk to you every Tuesday morning. Good morning. All right. Chris, we'll start off with coffees here. I'm sure that you're seeing him now. We'll start off with the punch newspaper. The punch says, are you must go? G5 governors, article come clash. So, well, I can't wait to share your thoughts on this one because prior to the elections, the same G5 governors were insisting that are you must go. And just recently, we also had that the local award or local government, you know, had suspended past the vote of no confidence on IU. And one would ask, what's the importance of all of this shortly after the elections? Then, Benway Court FM's IU suspension, just like I rightly mentioned, adjourns case till April the 17th. It is morally offensive for IU to remit chairman after electoral defeat. That's what the G5 comes. So, it feels like the energy is 100. They're not giving up. But another question to ask is, were there involvement of anti-party activities with these governors? Only neck or neck can remove me. IU is still saying that, hey, we stand here. WKO, this selfie says, article and PCC. Unfortunately, the confusion still continues. Reps and by minister, FM's over $2.4 billion or sale, don't travel to state of origin for census says the national population census. Well, how much of, I mean, this information, do you think that a lot of Nigerians have this information as to, you don't need to travel to your state of origin before you're counted. You can be counted wherever it is that you are. Niger can defeat terrorism like the United Kingdom. That's what Boris Johnson is quoted to say. And just before move away in giga, Mephile made NLC over plan strike, Banskew persists. I would just leave it at that for the want of time. All right, quickly to the nation. We have the following headlines. Court order restraining IU, deepens PDP's post poll crisis. National Chair dismisses suspension, WKBAC's action. Supplementary polls hold April 15 in Oyo, Emo, Edo, others and how to make Nigerians unleash potential by ex-UKPM's picture of Boris Johnson there. So he probably is the one who made that statement in giga meets in Mephile, Agero to prevent NLC strike. I'm not always comfortable with these meetings between government and labor. Colloquium put off for press to mark that it was birthday 77% Nigerian women risk skin cancer from using toning cream. Merci, I think you should share that with your fellow ladies. Because we tell them the unbelievers, US is $100 million for five West African nations. Kamala Harris has been in Ghana and she made that announcement yesterday to fight I think insecurity or something like that. So some of the, Yusuf to become Scotland leader. Scottish nationalists yesterday picked Hamza Yusuf to the country's next leader after a bitterly fought contest that exposed deep divisions in his party. As you can tell them from the name, I don't know if he's a native Scotsman. Anyway, these are the headlines on the phone page of the nation. Okay, let's turn attention from the nation newspaper this morning. Quickly we have the daily independent paper. It says PDP crisis depends as court sacks, your child are you. And that's boldly written on the daily independent now. War has just started. What sort of war are we talking about? Governor wicket tells are you and orders? Again, you find troops killed 10 insurgents and repels ISWAP attack on Boronumilitri base. Group protests that United States and United Kingdom embassies and demand the arrest of INEC chairman, Moodi Okobo. Then again, you find the story. Fake moto insurance takeover market amid premium hike. Then please to collaborate with INEC to prosecute electoral offenders and INEC holds supplementary elections in Kabya, Damawa, April the 15th. That headline might just be dominating all of the papers this morning. All right, let's take the final one from the Daily Trust on Tuesday. The big story there. Cues possessed as Nigerians hold narrow notes. POS operators mop up cash at ATMs, charges dropped to 100 narrow per 1000 narrow. Orders will have their fingers brunt burned to CVN. They may feel the edges NLC to the shelf protest. Okay, such a very interesting meeting. More from that paper. Damawa governorship, Fintiri Kix, says Binani demands a result review. Gunmen kill three NSE, the officers in Nemo State. Man remanded for selling father to Richelis for 1.8 million Naira. PDP crisis, court restraints IU from parading himself as a national chairman. I saw the stories on the front page of the Daily Trust. Chris Kennewan, let's start with this big one on the front page of Daily Trust. Paper says Nigerians are holding narrow notes. I don't know. Nigerians are once holding narrow notes or in need of narrow notes. Because I've always asked people who say, stop holding, ask what is holding. Because if I have my money, even if it's 10,000 Naira and I put it in my pocket, will you tell me I'm holding it or keep it at home? Am I holding it? Isn't the problem the fact that the central bank of Nigeria largely significantly reduced the amount of currency it released to the public in telto Nigerians to go cashless, electronic banking? Of course, when there is scarcity, of course, we need to hold. And so it's the total reflation of the situation on ground. And you cannot expect me to lead to 8,000 Naira or 10,000 Naira that I have in my pocket. One way to plan, drop it to the bank again and can spend another two, three days to get it back. So definitely it is not wise. And so Nigerians are getting maybe wise on that issue and that is why you see them that way. So if you say they are holding it, they are not holding it. They are holding it. It's not their money. It is only when someone else can say they are holding their money. And because they know the challenges before, they have to lead to their half, they spend it the way it is. Then they are holding the problem. But situation reports shows that this is improving a little bit. The old notes are not being spent on the ATMs or so, although the queues are still long, but not as long as it used to be. I was at one of the Pugination Bank yesterday and I saw the queue and they wanted to get back. And I saw them dispensing money. I didn't see for over close to a month or two the dispensing money to people that were operating. The problem, out of all the time I spent in the bank, I didn't see a single new Naira notes. All those new Naira notes that they make, they say they can print it. I didn't see any single one. It was just the good Naira notes that I asked myself, what was the essence of that policy? What was the essence of printing Naira notes? They are not going to pay the Pugination Bank to Nigerians. And don't forget that Pugination Bank and Pugination Naira was sunk into that potential. And I'm going to ask myself, what was the passion behind it? If you know you're not going to get it, why did they print back and take my answer for that much? Let's hope that it will improve. And don't forget that NSE is calling for a strike starting from tomorrow to picket all the CBN branches all over Nigeria. And I know that there was a meeting between the Central Bank, the Minister of Labor and NSE yesterday and the issues being printed. And NSE that said they'll come up with a statement a few hours time, whether that strike will continue or not. Therefore, in order to have a corner from the square, from his high house to come down to talk to NLC, goes to chat. He knows the gravity of what is at stake and he has to do what needs to be done. Well, Chris, let's look at the punch newspaper. IU must go, G5 Governors take a campaign in clash or clashing, if you like to say. How do you respond to this? The G5 Governors have not given up on the fact that IU still has to go. They have been consistent. Before this time, you can't have the domination of the North all through it has to go. And after the elections, they are still insistent very saying that IU must go. That's it. In the local balance of the people, there's a local balance we said that Chimbo and NOSO, that basically means that every day morning in history, that is what it means. And so, and that is the flight of PDP now. I know people are laughing. Did you say this one about Igbo and Yoruba? What I'm saying now is your Igbo. And if Chris is rocking PDP, it's a story for Toad. And we thought that with the election, a party that lost the election would be able to put its past together and see what it can be put, what it can be put to get from the strapping now provides those mandates, a mandate that they believe they want, which is debatable. But rather they are digging in and I watched the interview by Mr. Wike yesterday, where he was practically setting the national chairman of PDP to the gallows through him under the bus. And some of the issues being raised that you have to look at it from both ends. First and foremost, PDP in the research has not added rights because if, and that is what people like me, I don't have anything to say about, someone like Artukabubaka, there's not one that's crying about the election. He saw this coming. I had the opportunity to be able to write the books and be able to bring everybody together. A good politician will do everything in my capacity to bring everybody to his side, irrespective of their feelings or how they feel. And try to go into the world with your best level. Obviously the Nigeria played the game in, we lost the first match 1-0. So Nigeria went into that second leg match with our best 11 and we're going to get between Nigeria and PDP. That is the same to politics. In politics, there's no permanence in it. All you do is to be able to bring in what you want. Then you can be able to argue what you want to act. But Artukabubaka and PDP refused to do the paperwork. And they lost the opportunity of having five of their governors supporting them at the election. And that is why you can see the result. Now you came out to say you are suspended there for anti-party activities. Well agreed. To me, I also look at it from the point of anti-party activities. And anybody that does that is not fit enough to be in the party. But the question you also asked yourself, you as a party have you done the need? So now the fight has shifted to the local arena. Where the chairman of PDP was suspended by his own word. And the same one, he has not paid his due for about six years to that party activity. What about the men by that? They say he worked for the Pujon party. Then yesterday I said there was a court order restraining him from providing himself as the national chairman of PDP. That is multiple for him. So let's say how they stand. But this is not the best of them for PDP. And I hope that they break the Pugya ass together. And they put their tribunal as a one united party. And see what they can be able to get from the tribunal. Yeah Chris, I mean I know we try to look at the balance and legalize some of these things. But I would say this is just funny. Politicking and the politicians being themselves will wasting our time for things like this. I mean when, in what breath can the world chairman of a whole party like PDP remove the chairman of the party? I mean does it sound, does it make sense to you? I know that we're not just talking about making sense. But I wanted to recollect, sorry please, what happened in the case of Uche Secundus? You know what happened in the case of Uche Secundus is exactly the same thing that happened. And it was these same PDP people whom Uche is fighting today who agree to say okay fine. If one Secundus gone would allow him go, you brought him in, no problem. Secundus please step aside. Let's have a fresh party primary. They had a fresh party primary. And the party primary introduced IU as national chairman. And of course, Uche went to the presidential primary, party congress, sorry. We came into the presidential primary and then he contested under IU, basically give him legitimacy. So why are we back here? Yes, you know politicians the way they do their things. They don't give like rational human best like us with us in some humility. But let us also look at, we talk about Secundus that this has also put in a piece. Let's not forget how Adam Sosumole was also removed. You know that it was his words in a state that first of all suspended him from in the country world. He was the national chairman of the APC. And that was the problem started and for a new it related to the court and the house sales issues before he was now left. The same thing has made up the APC before, not just the, if you also know currently the ABCA is a mesh in some kind of crisis. So I saw somebody's few days ago saying that he got a Supreme Court judgment to mercy him as the authentic chairman of ABCA. But some others are going to say that there was nothing like. So that is how this politicians go. But back to what you're saying. Yes, it was also part of this issues on part of people like. Let's say, for example, the second is the second was limited by this week. This is from reverse stage, same stage, but when he fell out with him, he now started looking for other alternative and had to be with him. He was one of those that shows. I mean, I, you know, as the national chairman of PDP. I remember that was how he went and we can was one of those that solidly supported the emergence of the HRU. We had enough that was when it goes to the primaries of PDP presidential for the presidential primaries. We are at a good one and we lost. And since then, there have not been any peace within the PDP. And he was able to describe other PDP governors. But what I'm saying is, there is no part of him who comes with what we are saying, but comes with him. He's working himself, he came out to say was not going to support the president of his party and he was going to come support a particular candidate. The same thing with other governors, with the so-called J5 governors. And that was serious and the party and he was going to be suspended. People were going to be put and got an injunction. That was what saved him. But the others were not that people like and he said he was going to support the candidate of APC, Covenorship candidate of APC in the point of state. He's a PDP member, strong member of the party. So he was going to support. He came out to say that. And so I of course, he was going to support it too. So if you look at others, what I'm just looking at is just a high level of intensity on the part of politicians. But the problem we've also had is that the parties are no longer as strong as they used to be. I remember in the days of NPN, UPN, NMPP, PRP and the GMPP in the 80s, where the party was supreme. But now the governors have hijacked the parties and whatever they say is what happens. And that is why we're having a issue. Even if you see there's a lot of anti-party, look at something like Marafa and Rafa in Zanfarah state. You could see how Zanfarah had lost to APC, PDP in this government situation. There are so many other instances that their own is not as pronounced as that of PDP. PDP's present is a hat that is divided by his own and by himself. And I want that I'm just wondering how this is going to pan out. I watched somebody like Chief Olabo de Geodius talking yesterday about unity. But Olabo de Geodius came in Lagos where he comes from. Supported the candidate of the Labour Party instead of his own PDP. So what are we talking about? So you can see that is a who has supported that itself in total disarray. I wonder how they're going to come out of this. All right, Chris, just quickly. The police is saying they will collaborate with INEG to prosecute electoral offenders. And I know that Nigerians have been big on how much of justice those who have been involved in truncating the electoral process and those who have engaged in all sorts, especially looking at the last elections. Your thoughts, do you think that this is just a statement or is a statement of reality? It's a statement, it's just rhetorics messing. But I would like it or not, it's just rhetorics. Those that perpetrated the 2019 electoral crisis and fraud have then been prosecuted. INEG came out yesterday to say that it has just a 3 billion naira for the prosecution of electoral. I said it with a number, which is the election tribunal, as it were. We're going to have an election tribunal that is basically similar to what's prosecuting offenders. Then it's going to be much easier. The same people we are talking about are going to take a confession that is already congested, very, very congested. And they know what it takes to get justice in our courts, moving from the US courts to the highest court, then becomes an appropriate. That is what, too, the INEG does not have the power of prosecution. Most often they are not. Some of this procedure I have to put on the police and I have to say, what capacity does the police have? You know the number of cases that the police have. Mothers, theft, and robbery, kidnapping, abduction, all sorts of crises. So many cases that the police itself cannot take on. So they want to go gamble into it. So it will be very, very difficult. But as I said, the way forward is that election tribunal that is being put together. The bill is in the National Assembly. And it's for the National Assembly to be put to come up and pass that, if they pass it in through the opposing court chambers of the National Assembly, the Senate and elsewhere. If that is passed, that means that there's a special tribunal for prosecution of a nation of cases. If that is done, then you'll be sure that we can be able to get it done. But if it's going to go through the same process of our conventional courts, they are going to get it. Elections of democracies or election violence are going to be in the areas of high courts, as it were. And if you go to the high courts, I want to say that they have so much on their table that they can't do that. They have been normal because they have been financial cases. They are bringing, they often still have election cases. Because even if you go to the tribunal, I see that you see most of these cases will end in court. Just to give a classical example, the Osho State election, not that the Court of Appeal has just given a judgment paper of the court, I do look at it. But at the end there, they are going to the Supreme Court. And that is the way it will. So yes, the police may want to do what they can to be very, very difficult, other different circumstances. All right, Chris, thank you so much for your time. We have some interesting stories and more on the papers. But for the once in a time, we'll have to leave it at that. We appreciate you and look forward to having you again next week. Thank you very much. I'm happy with enough of that. Thank you. We have more discussions ahead. Of course, when we come back, we look at the Independent National Electrical Commission voting three billion now to take on the election petitions at the courts while addressing a discussion that's coming. Please do.