 I watched a lot of these videos and it doesn't convince me to become vegan. Yeah, why not? Because the argument isn't very good. This argument isn't? Yeah, it's not. Bring out sandwiches mate if you want one, for free, okay? Alright, so here we are out here in Leicester Square in London. And we've got the stands for change here. We're handing out this isn't bacon and we're educating people on the horror story that is the pork industry in the UK. So we're giving out some sandwiches. We've got a little helper here in the background. Very happy to have Taz helping out, handing out the food. And we're going to see if we can get people to go vegan. Giving out some information. It's very loud here, but we're going to see if we can talk to people anyway. Let's do it. What's up brother? Yeah, I've watched your videos because of them. You went vegan from the videos that I made? Yeah. Sweet dude. It's two more to go. Really? Yeah, it's like, we're on YouTube for your videos. Yeah? We're not on the side nor over vegan. Bro, that's so good. Awesome brother. Peace man. Hello, how are you? I'm good. I am vegan already. Are you a vegan? What are you cooking? This isn't bacon. Yeah. Okay, so you make like... We're making sandwiches. Okay. Yeah. Are you not vegan? She's trying. She's trying. Okay, you want to have a taste then? Yes. Okay, we'll make some. One too? One each? One each? Okay. No worries. Have you seen this before? No, but maybe I've seen you either on YouTube or on BBC. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Both. Okay. Both, yeah. BBC and YouTube. Yeah, you've seen The Vegan Ville? I was... Yesterday I was looking at a video where you were going to supermarket to show the products. Yeah. Because I'm trying right now and I was curious like... Ah, good. Good. That's really good. This here is... This is a gas chamber. This is the main way they stun the pigs in the UK. Mm-hmm. Yeah. I can't watch this video. You're a veganist, okay? And you're on your way. So I never saw this until someone showed me and I was grateful that they showed me. Yeah. So then I knew what to choose other than meat and dairy and eggs. When I saw social media or the presence of it, it was not. So it was like my own choice. Like just waking up one day and realizing that the ham that I was eating was actually part of a pig that was good and... So you work up yourself? Realizing, yeah. It was just me realizing without the visual effect of it. That's amazing. Yeah. Because you're a... You're a very small percentage of people. Most people need to see. Yeah. You're very unique that you could work it out yourself. I feel like on one side, yes, it's fair for them to not see it, but then I look at myself and I'm like, I can't see that. Yeah, yeah. It feels so bad. I understand. Some people see this and they laugh. They make jokes. They make jokes and teas and, you know... Hello, my friend. How are you? What is this? Oh, this is what we're making. You want some? We can make one for you too. This is made of plants. Yeah, no animals in here. We're trying to promote animal free. You know, no pigs in here. This vehicle is not for animal. No animals? No pigs? Yeah, it's made of... Do you know the word vegan? What can I miss you? This is a... You know what vegan means? Yeah. It means no animals used. Animal used. No animals used at all. This is what a vegan is. Is it possible? It's possible, yeah. I've been vegan for seven years. Can I have this? You? You can take this, yeah. Seven years? I've been vegan seven years. No animal products at all. We're selling anything, but we're just asking people to make the choice that doesn't harm the animals. Yeah, yeah. In the supermarket... Animals are suffering. Yeah. Animals are suffering in these places. This is a gas chamber. This is how they kill the pigs. This is free. This is free. Free. For you to try, okay? Okay, we'll make you one to us, okay? Well, I don't find after this. This is in Tesco? This is in Tesco? Yeah. You can find in the vegan aisle, vegetarian section, you know? And this here has good guides here, see? You can find vegan restaurant with this app. You can find vegan option here. Some has meat, but you can find one that is vegan with no animals in Subway or... Eating animal is bad for the spiritual life. For your spirit? Spiritual life. Eating animal is very bad. Eating suffering. Eating karma. Bad karma. Just some big man, clever man, eating us, we cry. Same animal cry. Yeah. I agree. Free. This is for the animals. This is for the animals. Maybe you can give... Maybe you can give this to someone that's not a vegan to share the message. That's all. It's good? It's okay? We like this one. We think it's very meaty for the people who are, you know, used to meet. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Awesome. Really nice to meet you guys. Take care. Good luck on your vegan journey. We didn't know there was going to be like a band playing next to us, but we hope that you can still hear the conversations. Maybe some of the audience of his will come over and try a sandwich. By the way, I forgot to mention that this is... I've done this out of the kindness of my heart. I don't work with this isn't bacon. I actually just done this for the animals because I think this is a really good bacon substitute. So I don't work with these guys, but shout out to the guys who made this isn't bacon, because it's a winner. It's a winner. How you going, brother? How are you? Do you know what we're doing here? Yeah, I do. Are you a vegan? No, I'm not. Oh, okay. I noticed. Oh, you know who I am? Oh, which do you see? Oh, cool, cool, cool. Do you want to try some bacon sandwich? No, this is bacon. No, this is bacon. It's a plant-based vegan bacon. Do you want to try one? I don't know. Okay, okay. I just want to have a chat. Okay, yeah, we can have a chat. I watch a lot of these videos. It doesn't convince me to become vegan. Yeah. Why not? Because the argument isn't very convinced. This argument isn't? Yeah, it's not. Okay. I try to rationalize it, but I just can't do it. Okay. So let me ask you how you justify paying for this industry to exist. Say that again. Let me ask you how you justify paying for this industry to exist when you go into the supermarket and you buy meat. How do you justify that? Knowing what happens to the animals, because you know, how do you justify when you can just move your hand to the left, grab the beans and limbs and pasta and rice and... Personally, I don't see that I'm this people to us. You don't have to. I just want you to value even more than your taste buds. That's all I'm asking. Yeah, that's the thing. I value my taste buds more than the other. Really? More than all animals? What about dogs? You know what? I've seen this argument so many times. Yeah. What about dog meat trade? You need to answer it. Like dog meat trade? Do you value your taste buds over the life of a dog that was tortured until? You know what? I'm not... I decided to be from a very long way. I'm not really sharp with it. No, it's pretty simple though. It's one plus one. Because you use that justification in the context of pigs and cows. Would you use that justification in the context of dogs and cats and horses and... I don't know, dolphins? It's only certain animals. To me it seems like that you don't care about because you've been taught something. It's a cultural thing though, isn't it? We're raised up in this culture too. It's cultural. There's many horrific things that are cultural, isn't there? So you can't use culture to justify something horrific. Otherwise, what if it was a fair game? Female genital mutilation. I don't know. What else? Stoning women. Stoning homosexuals. Slavery was cultural. Usually I have a better argument for it. I don't know. I'll tell them a debate with my brother. And we're talking about the centiurs of the animal, right? Yeah. The centiurs of the animal. And I was trying to use some of your arguments to explain it to him. But then he came over to the animal and how and why. Yes, they're not centiurs. Does he have any... Well, how did he come to that conclusion? I can't even define what centiurs are. But to perceive a feel, sometimes it's under the umbrella of consciousness. Exactly. So to be able to perceive and also, like, you see how you're experiencing reality right now, that could be under the umbrella of sentience as well. But they don't really have a consciousness. Do they? Like, they don't have a sense of self? Yes, they do. Do they? Yeah. Well, not like us. It doesn't matter if it's like you. Like, there are human beings with a mental handicap. They might not have a sense of self like you, but they want to have a sense of self. If you cut them, they know that it hurts. You know? Isn't that, like, an instinct? It's just an instinct. No, well, I don't think so. No, no, no. If you cut them, you're saying that pain is an instinct. I think it's a matter of, like, perceiving the pain through your nerves and your brain, you know. I don't think that's instinct. I think that's a conscious individual experiencing the pain. So, yeah, but how can you, equivalently, how can things and humans on equivalent odd? Well, there are things that are equivalent about us. Like, we have a brain, nervous system. We're both conscious. Now, we look different. We act different. But the things that matter are the things that I'm worried about. Well, I see these animals as, like, robots. Robots? Yeah. Yeah. I mean, um... Let me ask you this. You know there's human beings out there that are less capable than a pig. Yeah, right. Okay. Now, do you extend rights to them? Of course, because they're humans at the end of the year. Okay, so it's nothing to do with how mentally capable you think a pig is. You know, you think that it's just this trait called human. It's an arbitrary trait. We're humans, so we can do whatever we want to. Let me ask those alien species that are exactly like us in every way except our DNA and they weren't human. Would you think it's okay to turn them into bacon sandwiches because they're not human? No, because they're... Yeah. Do you know what I'm saying? Are you a vegan and an undercover vegan? Because you're making me feel suspicious that you actually... Honestly, I'm not undercover, but I've seen... I've pretty much worked like... Some vegan friends come up to me and they pretend that they're not vegan and have these discussions with me so... Yeah, I'm not... You know what? You don't feel very confident to me that you're very strong in your position. Personally, I'm confident but it's just the explaining part that I can't really articulate. Yeah. I mean, if I put a pig here right now, you think they're robots, they're mindless robots and gave you a knife? Would you be okay stabbing them in the throat? Stabbing them in the throat. If they were going to be... If you're going to eat them right here, I'll chuck them on the grill for you. No, not right now. You're hungry right now? Personally, I don't eat pigs, but... Any other animal that you eat? Chicken? Give me a chicken right now from the animal sanctuary that's been looked after. Yeah, if it's going to be eaten by a lot of people, like people here, yeah. Okay, and what if there's a vegan burger next door to it? You still stab the chicken, even though you've got access to a vegan burger? Yeah, well, vegan burgers don't have the same nutrients, so do they? They're not. What nutrients are you talking about? I don't care about that. You don't think we can get nutrients from plants? The same nutrients that we can get from animals? Which one specifically? Which ones? Yeah, which one specifically? I know the argument about, like, B12, you're going to say what supplement it is. Well, should I supplement it or stab an animal in the throat? That's that easy. I supplement or stab an animal to death to get the B12 out of their blood. Yeah, but you're not... That's the thing, like, you're saying stab an animal like it's a human being, it's not, it's an animal, you know? No, I said stab an animal in the throat. I didn't say stab a human being in the throat. But, um... It's not the same thing. I never said that we are equal in every way, but there are things about us that are the same. Yeah, of course. Same DNA. Same DNA. Yeah. We're both mammals. Well, what do you think about this, mate? Like, are you a vegetarian or a vegan? I try to be vegan, but they put me in everywhere, even in the beer and wine. Yeah, sometimes you've got to fuck. There's a good... Actually, are you taking one of these? Great. Fantastic. At the front here, there's some free help going vegan toots. Hey, brother. I thought he was from Manchester. No, no, no. I'll travel around, brother. I see you're from Manchester. Yeah, thanks, brother. What's your name? Zulu. Zulu, good to meet you, man. Would you like a sandwich? Yeah, go on. Yeah, go on. Can we have two? You sure you don't want one, dude? Come on, I'm trying to feed everyone. Yeah, I might as well. We do three. We do three. Yeah, you've seen this as a good little guide for you. I've seen a lot of yours on YouTube. Have you? Yeah, I've seen you in Manchester a lot. Yeah, yeah, I did it. It's good because it's undercover. I like it there. Yeah, the middle bit. Yeah. This is, um... Farrowing Shed. So they take the piglets and they do something called thumping, the ones that don't grow fast enough. They hit them on the concrete and they snip the tails off so they're invite each other's tails in confinement. This is factory farming because like most of the pigs here are factory farm. Most of the chickens here are factory farmed. So it's the majority of farming is factories. What do you think of that, mate? It's nice. It's nice? It's nice. Does it taste meaty? Yeah, of course. Yeah, yeah. Made out of plants. So it's in the beer. I know they put fish and stuff in the beer, but you can... There's a website called Barnivore, like Carnivore with a bee, and they've got all the vegan wines and stuff, vegan beers and stuff. Do you know what this is? No, it's UK, yeah. Yeah, yeah. It's, uh... This is UK. This is what happens in the UK to pigs. Oh, no. So these are gas chambers? Yeah. So most of the pigs in the UK are killed in these gas chambers. Or in England. I don't know that. Yeah, yeah, yeah. 86% of pigs in UK and Wales, in England and Wales, sorry, are killed in these gas chambers. They scream trying to escape. It's horrible. I've never heard of that. CO2 gas. It's a very, uh... predominant method of stunning for pigs. How can that be allowed when you can't even, uh... hit a dog? Hit a dog. I agree with you. This is legal practice, standard legal practice. They have one of these in Manchester, actually, so we're asking people to stop paying for this, that's all. This isn't bacon. Is that... Yeah, vegan. You know the word vegan? No. Vegan is, um... without any animals at all. Yeah, I understand that. No eggs, no milk. No meat. Yeah, no meat, no eggs. No animals. No animals at all. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So we're showing people the pork industry as well. Oh, okay. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's why we want people to try their animal free for... no cruelty. Yeah. What do you think about the pigs in the UK? No, I don't. You don't like it? No. You don't like this? It's not good? Not good at all. This is a gas chamber. Yeah, okay, yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. They suffer in this gas chamber. This is how... You can keep them as a dog. You can keep them, man. Pigs are very smart. Yeah, yeah. They're very smart, yeah. They're more intelligent than dogs. Yeah, yeah. Well trained. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. But this is what we do to them. This is very terrifying for them, man. It burns them from the inside out. Yeah. This gas is very, um... Horrible. It burns them. Sorry? It kills chickens' hands, you know. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. Yeah, it's not good. It's not money. Oh, no, okay. No, we're doing this for the animals, for free. That's it. Yeah, yeah. We're just asking people, uh... Yeah. Choose vegan when you go out, you know. Yeah. Swap your meat for different things, you know. Um... Yeah. That's it. We've got some... This is free help going vegan, you know. Okay. Bless you, my friend. You're welcome. Take care. Take care. I should have asked them to tell me what it tastes like. I forgot. Make two. She's already vegan, but we'll give her one as well. She does always make me try vegan stuff. Does she? Yeah, she's like... Have you seen this before? Yeah. I did animal management in Polynesia. This is a gas chamber. Yeah, they have them here in the UK. It's the main way they stun the pigs here in the UK. They scream really loud from in there. It's really horrible. When people pay for the bacon, they're paying for the pigs to be tortured and killed. So we're asking people to put their... Take their money out of these industries. Stop contributing to the cruelty and to... You've probably heard it from your friend already a million times. I like to say to people, you're pushing the button on these animals. It's the consumer. I was for years too. A quarter of a century I was consuming and pushing the button. I don't know if I gave you a knife right now, whether you'd be able to kill the pig. Most people couldn't kill the pig themselves. You want to tell me what you think? The texture's the same. It's smoky like bacon. Do you just want a sandwich? We've given out bacon sandwiches. It's a plant-based bacon though, because what happens to pigs we don't like. You want one, it's free. We'll make one if we know. It says just watching the videos. The gas chamber is the main way they stun pigs in England. They take the semen from the males, put it in the females. It's very weird stuff. This is how they breed them. It mimics the mating process. This is called a farrowing shed, where they feed their piglets. I've been in one of these, I come up very soon. I film this footage here. This is in England, this footage. They get those saws on them for rubbing up against the cages. So that's me in there. That's just a random pig farm in the UK. They get stuck in there for weeks on end. They bite on the bars, they go crazy. Then when their production of piglets becomes slower, about three years of age, they get gas chambered as well. They're sniffing their tails off so they don't bite each other's tails. Stop eating pigs. Have you seen this before? It breaks my heart. It's horrible. You've seen the gas chamber footage in that? No, I don't really want to. It's horrible, isn't it? We're trying to ask the public to stop paying for these places to exist by eating meat and dairy and eggs. We're focusing on pigs today. So we've got this... I don't know if you've heard of this. This isn't bacon. It's made of plants. We think it's a really good one, this one. It's in Tesco and that, but... This is some info, right? Things that I can give a go. This is for free Helpman on Facebook, challenge22.com. This here, I've made a little guide, right? Free find vegan restaurants near you or you can get vegan options at Subway and Greg's got vegan sausage rolls. See, I've tried all this, but it just... I can't get along with it. You can't? Oh really? What do you usually eat? I normally live on pasta. Pasta? Oh, pasta's vegan. Yeah, pasta's just flour. It depends on what you put in there. So if you use mince, you can find some plant-based mince. There's normally just pasta and a bit of cheese, to be honest. Okay, so if you find some vegan cheese, then you set, mate. There's some good vegan cheeses in Tesco like the vegan aisle there. The vegan section, take that. I'll take it. It breaks my heart when I see what happens. It's horrible. You sound like a good person, mate. Most good people don't want to contribute to this. No, but stop eating meat. It's quite a... It seems daunting. It's more trying to find food that I can get on with. Yeah. Well, I tend to eat more whole food, so I eat a lot of beans and legumes and lentils and pasta and rice and the vegetables and fruits. Sometimes I like a bacon sandwich here and there, so I just go for the plant-based stuff. I'll have a toasted cheese sandwich with vegan cheese. I've got quite a few vegan mates and they're always getting me to try bits here. Yeah. It'd be nice if I could find some. Yeah, but if you're against animal cruelty, it only makes sense that you stop paying for it to happen. Because these places only exist when people like yourselves don't exist. Yeah, it's horrible. Yeah, well, that's what changed me. Guilt's a good feeling if it inspires you to change and do something better. We're trying to promote accountability with the public because all too often the public put a blindfold on. Yeah, it's so easily done. It's the pork industry in the UK. Okay. This is called a gas chamber? Yeah, it worked in the slot rounds. Oh, really? Did they have a gas chamber in that slaughterhouse? Yeah. Did you say circle of life? Yeah. What do you think about that circle of life argument? Right. When someone gets fit by a shark, when they were in the water, it's their territory.