 But it's good. I mean, it's, you know, it's passable. It's as good as the Wii. So, wow, that's actually kind of a backhanded comfort thing about the Wii. Well, that's the thing. It's, you know, I mean, the Wii is, it is what it is. It's a fun thing, and it's not hardcore gaming. But, you know, I mean, have you played any games on the Apple TV yet, Tom? One second. Yes, I played Crossy Road. Yeah. Who's, yeah, who's not going to play that? That's like the combat of Apple TV. Yeah. No, I don't care. I mean, I made myself play it so that when someone like you asked me that question, I could say, yes, I did try it. Yeah, it's not like a, it's not, it's not the one you would get all, you know, but we did, we did get Just Dance, which is free. And that seems, that's a fun party game at least, you know? So, I mean, it is, you know, that's what I mean. It's like, it's between the Apple TV or the Wii, I would, I probably would have chosen the Apple TV because you can do so much more with it than the Wii. So, but I think Nintendo, just like Sega had, you know, I think Nintendo would be, that would be a good place to put some of their games. The Wii U has all of the things that the Apple TV has. It has an App Store. Yeah. I mean, it's a little harder to use. It has Hulu and Netflix. It's just. It's the, it's the control. It's way too big. Yeah. It's enormous. I don't really know. Yeah. Doesn't, and then you only get, I don't know. Oh. I don't really know. Thank you, W. Scott has won. It's noticed that my headroom was high. Because this chair, I had brought this chair up. Yeah, got the same problem right now. Boop, boop, boop. Your hair is looking good though, man. Me? Oh, thanks man. This is yesterday's hair. It's looking good. Wow, nailed hair. Yeah, I need to put up, I keep saying this. I've got like 30 more that need to go up. I think I might just like, the wall of Len. The wall of Len. All right, shall we get this show on the road? Yeah, let's do it. Here we go. Oh, I gotta go away. Bye. In a world where technology changes faster than the human race can adapt, there's only one place to turn. The Daily Tech News Show with Tom Merritt and guests. But they need your help. Go to DailyTechNewsShow.com to find out how. This is The Daily Tech News for Friday, January 29th, 2016. Tom Merritt joining me today. Darin Kitchen back on Friday. How's it going, Darin? Hey, it's so good to be here. It's good to have the corecast. You're coming through particularly open sourced right now. Oh, yeah, yeah. I got one of those core utilities I needed from Windows working in Wine, which means that Linux just went from my secondary monitor to my primary monitor. Look at you. Very exciting. Awesome. Also joining us today, Mr. Len Peralta, who will be illustrating the episode. What's good, Chef Len? Major key alert. I don't know. I have nothing. Nothing's new. It's got some egg white outlets, turkey bacon. Yeah. I can't wait to see what you've drawn today. We're going to be talking about cardless ATMs. So at least we gave you an object to deal with instead of an abstract concept. Yeah. It's been a long week. Let's just say that. Okay. All right. Fair enough. I'm intrigued. Meanwhile, Darren Kitchen, we've got some headlines to talk about, shall we? Let's shall. EA might have spilled the beans on lifetime sales of Xbox ones. Our technical reports that CFO Blake Jorgensen of EA said that combined install base of Xbox one and PS4s for EA had hit 55 million units. He said this on an EA earnings call. His point was that, you know, we have a big installed base out there to sell our games into. But journalists quickly ran for their calculators because Sony has previously announced they announced January 5th that they have sold 35.9 million PS4s. And if you take 55 million minus 35.9 million, you get around 19 million units. And that would be presumably how many Xbox ones have sold. Microsoft stopped reporting console sales in October 2015. So this is certainly an unofficial number. Jorgensen added both consoles were outperforming their predecessors at the same point in their life cycle by 50%. He said they had, quote, exceeded virtually everyone's forecast for the year. You see, I'm not buying that, like, you know, their predecessors forecast number as having any bearings in this day and age, considering the fact that for the Xbox, we're talking about what its predecessor being the 360, that came out in 2005. And that was a totally different landscape. I mean, it did really well because the time was different. Now we're, you know, in a place where smartphone gaming is a reality. PC gaming is on the rise. Latest aid IDC numbers shows growth of 26% a year. And that's expected to increase when we see VR headsets really hit the market. And, you know, as we know, PCs are much quicker to adapt to these kinds of changes than when you take a look at historically like the Xbox, you know, coming out, what, 2001, 2005, 2014. I mean, that's nine years. So I'm hoping that they can adapt quicker. But I'm just, I'm just stating that I'm not buying this like, oh, we did as good as we did last time. That's like. Yeah. But EA's point in saying that is we're selling lots of titles. So I don't see why it wouldn't really be in their interest because they don't care. They sell titles to PCs too. They're just saying like, hey, look at that. Look at these console numbers. That's pretty good for us. Hmm. Well, yeah. I'm sure Sony's out. Yeah. And 19 million is quite a bit behind 35.9 million, which is definitely why Microsoft is not touting the Xbox one number. According to Bloomberg, people familiar with the plans say that Apple is developing a new wireless charging technology with Asian partners, companies in Asia for release sometime in 2017. And charge devices at a distance unlike most current wireless charging tech where you actually have to set the thing on a pad. Apple took out a patent in 2010 for using near field magnetic resonance to wireless charge devices up to a meter from an iMac. They take out lots of patents. So that doesn't mean it too much, but it would apply in this case. If Bloomberg is right, I like the idea of anybody being able to put something that'll make it easier for me to charge just by setting my device down wherever I usually set it down. Now, this is good stuff. And, you know, I'll be the first to say I love a lot of Apple's tech. Like, for instance, their magnetic connector for the power charging is brilliant. I just kind of wish that the patent stuff weren't as patentee because this is the kind of stuff that I would love to see, like, in more places. So I guess I'd be more excited if Apple announced that it was joining one of the, what are we down to, two consortiums for wireless power at this point. Definitely. I 100% agree with that. Like, have a consortium where we can all interoperate and plug in our devices no matter which devices we have. That would not or not plug in. I'm old school. I mean, charge our devices. And you know what, they could still get a lot of brand loyalty and kind of just good vibes from that. If it's like, oh yeah, here's our cool technology. Let's, you know, they could actually sway one particular consortium or another from winning the wireless charging race if they had some awesome tech that they could bring to the table and say like, you guys can have it as long as we get a little Apple logo everywhere. Kind of like how we have the Windows key on modern keyboards everywhere even if you're running Linux, you know. So it's like, get your little nod there, right? It might be worth, well, anyway. Wishful thinking. Fingers crossed. Maybe. Maybe it'll still happen. The Financial Times reported Friday that Apple has acquired an augmented reality company called Flyby Media. Now we've been hearing a lot of people talk about the possibility of Apple creating a VR headset. They've certainly been prototyping and messing around with it. They've hired people in this space. Here's what's interesting about Flyby Media. They were working with Google on tech that allows mobile devices to see the world around it. In fact, Flyby was the vision-based software partner for Google's project Tango. So Apple just stole away a key partner of Google's. Apple purchased German AR firm Matteo in May last year and motion-sensing firm PrimeSense, who had worked or which had worked on the Kinect back in 2013. So now you've got Apple owning a little bit of an augmented reality firm, a little bit of a Kinect sensor firm, a little bit of a project Tango firm. So the mind boggles what might come out of that. An Apple TV. No. It'll just be an Apple TV. That would be sad. Facebook posted on Thursday. It will close its parse mobile application development back-end service. If you use parse for your app, you'll have until January 28th, 2017 to transition. About 600,000 apps estimated to have been built on the platform or using the platform. Facebook is providing a migration tool to move to any MongoDB database, and another tool can set up an existing work to run on a Node.js server. Thank you, Derek Hito, for posting this in the subreddit. Yeah, this seems to always be the fear, at least as a software developer, that one day your platform is just going to be end of life, and I feel for everybody. I mean, I know I've been there even with chips. It's the same industry there. And I get that everything can't be supported forever. We're not still writing apps for CPM. But I hope that this is one of those things that can follow some of the other trends that we've seen from big companies lately, which is when something, maybe it doesn't work out, you give it to the open source community, and then it can thrive at least that way. And that can go a long way to maintaining developer trust, which is really important when you're trying to be a platform. So that seems to be a trend. I feel like if you're going to move away, the closest open source alternative that I've seen is developed, or learn engine, or data kit. But no, it looks like a really slick platform. But yeah, these just come and go. It's sad. Well, and it's significant from the end of Facebook getting out of this. But less than a year ago, they were touting this as an Internet of Things platform, which now in retrospect, looks like a last ditch effort to make it successful. And this is a big capitulation by Facebook to say, well, we are not going to be competing with Microsoft and Google and Apple to be a back-end provider for app services. And granted, Apple does it within their own ecosystem and only within their own ecosystem. Microsoft is doing it for multiple ecosystems. But yeah, Facebook will not be competing in that arena. It does seem like whenever there's a new market, whatever it be, Internet of Things, or drones, or pick something, like everybody of course, VR, is going to flock to try to be the platform, to have that ecosystem. Because I mean, we'll talk about Amazon in a bit, but that's where the money is. But it just sucks because what happens is when you make the promises to developers and you just put it out there like, we are going to be this thing. And then when you have to go and say like, ah, it didn't work out, that's a tough thing to spin and still keep warm fuzzies. Yeah. Kevin Kipper wanted us to mark a change to an early Internet stalwart slash dot media, which also owns SourceForge along with slash dot, has been sold to a firm out of San Diego and Petaluma. At least those are their two addresses listed on the website. BizX, it seems like they mostly run a lot of travel oriented sites. Fosforce.com reports credible sources, tell it slash dot has now had layoffs as well with many longtime employees leaving. You know, it's really interesting to see kind of the rise and fall of slash dot as compared to some other forums of the era, say FARC for example, which still has a very thriving community, but it never tried to, you know, peak and become that more than what it was really. And, you know, it's a far cry from the story of, say, Dig, but I feel like there's really interesting lessons to be learned here and it's just a reminder that the Internet is ever changing. You know, Reddit is on top right now, but it won't always be king. I mean, at one point my space was the place to be. Yeah. Craigslist is even not nearly as top of mind as it used to be. It used to be the thing people talked about. I would say that Craigslist is the FARC, you know, in this case. Yeah. Because it's just staying court. It's true to its values and it will always do well and there's nothing wrong with that. Don't get me wrong. I've had people tell me all the time, like, I have a failure because you're not trying to be, you know, this major explosive thing and I'm just like happy, staying good and small. Where's your growth curve? Yeah, exactly. It's like, but yeah. I've been told, I've been told, and I'm sure you've been told, like, you'll never get acquired doing it that way. Yes. To which I reply, yes, that's fine. Exactly. Also, I just want to point out that I would really love everybody to take the moment as we were discussing Slash. And who knows where this leads us. Hopefully, you know, it will pick up and get even better and, you know, back to its roots and stuff. But I feel like we should all imagine a Beowulf cluster of cowboy Neil in Soviet Russia running Linux with Natalie Portman and hot grits down his pants. Yes, absolutely. Slash. That was the thing that helped save me when I started. I mean, one of the roots of me doing this kind of show was preparing top-talk topics for the screen savers back in 1999. And Slash. was a huge resource for that. I loved building up my karma points back in the day on Slash. So, yeah, it is. I would like to see them make a rebound. Yeah, I wouldn't be. I've got the same. I mean, I bet everyone in IRC right now could tell us their Slash. story. I was just the same way, and it's funny that we were talking about that one core utility that I just got working in Wine on Linux is actually a tool that I only got used to. It's actually a screen reader, a text-to-speech engine that reads like 900 words per minute, which I somehow understand. It's faster than my eyes can do it. And I only got used to reading content that way because when I would work an office job, I was allowed to wear headphones, but I wasn't allowed to goof off and read Slash. all day. So I'd just keep it in a small browser window and read every comment, but I'd just have it read to me. So anyway, it's easy to get sucked into the Slash. I think we even have a Hack5 parody from 2005 about the Slash.patch to get over your addiction. So it's really come a long way. This will be our main discussion topic as well. Charlotte Observer reporting that Bank of America said Wednesday it will allow customers to use their phones to make ATM transactions by the end of the year. The bank will test the service with employees starting in February in Charlotte, New York, Boston, and the San Francisco Bay Area. JP Morgan Chase announced earlier this week and Wells Fargo announced last December that they also have plans for similar technology. BMO Harris, a Canadian bank, implemented 900 such ATMs in the U.S. starting last March, so they already exist here. And cardless ATMs have been, according to Wired, used in Spain since 2011. So we'll talk a little more about how this technology works, whether it's a good idea or not. But it looks like something that's going to be rolled out at least here in the U.S. extensively, and you Spaniards out there in the audience have been using it for years. Sony raised operating profit 11% year over year to 202.1 billion yen. That's equivalent to about $1.69 billion U.S. Thanks to a 10.5% rise in video game revenue and cost cutting to its mobile unit, Sony Pictures also saw revenue rise 26.9%. Sony's insurance division was profitable as well. It's devices business, which is not its mobile unit. The mobile unit is the one with the phones. The devices unit, which makes image sensors and batteries, was down 12.6%, a result of slower, higher-end smartphone sales in general. So we're not talking about Sony's own phones. Just people aren't buying as many smartphones, so Sony can't sell as many image sensors to the manufacturers of those smartphones. Sony is budgeting for a fall in demand for sensors for high-end smartphones in 2016. On the one hand, I'm really happy to see Sony doing well, especially with some of the bumps along the way that they've had as of recent with Sony Pictures, but I'm really bummed out about this projected fall in demand for high-end sensors and smartphones because it's because of the just dramatic drop in price of these sensors because of that demand that we've been able to see other cool technologies that are completely smartphone-unrelated takeoff, like literally takeoff, like drones, for instance, are benefiting from the accelerometers and gyroscopes and magnetometers that are inside of our smartphones and because of such demand that those prices were driven down and that they get smaller and more accessible and easier to program with and things of that nature. I just imagine the more sensors get integrated, the more we can actually utilize these things, the more benefits we'll see outside of that arena. We were talking about it recently with... I actually don't remember the name of the technology. It was at Tango. It's Google's thing with a stereoscopic, LiDAR. Yeah, Project Tango, right. Yes, and I just... I really hope that we see an uptick of that again because these things benefit everybody across the board. Yeah, and it is one of those things where as everyone has a smartphone, that means that fewer smartphones have to be built because people are replacing their smartphones less often and people are buying smartphones for the first time less often, which means the parts might get more expensive quickly enough in the short term. That's a really good point. There's a potential future where our smartphones may have to go to summer school. They're falling behind. Yeah, remedial. As we mentioned yesterday, Amazon had its best quarterly profit ever but missed expectations, so it took a little bit of a beating by the Wall Street folks. The other big concern besides the profitability was shipping costs. Shipping costs increased 24.4% year over year for Amazon. On the earnings call, Amazon Chief Financial Officer Brian Olsofsky said that the shipping carriers just can't handle all the capacity Amazon needs. So the question has become, will Amazon become a shipper? Will they start competing with FedEx and UPS? Olsofsky said, we've had to add more of our own logistics to supplement our partners because they have leased planes and bought trucks, but he says they're to supplement our partners not to replace them. Yeah, as somebody who does a lot of shipping, I can tell you from experience that it's typical that you see close to a 5% increase in shipping rates across all of the carriers every year. This year in particular has been pretty crazy in the realm of the United States Postal Service, so not one of the main carriers for Amazon, but I know that that affects all of the stuff across the board, and I'm wondering how much of that actually has to do with the likes of Amazon. I've personally noticed also, have you seen this, have you ordered anything from Amazon Prime lately in the last week or so? At least in the Bay Area, things that were overnight or second day or becoming third and fourth day, which is... Oh, really? No, I haven't... I don't think I've noticed because I don't think I've ordered anything from Amazon Prime. Sure, this is just anecdotal, but it's the first time my entire history of using Amazon Prime that I've noticed things actually taking a day or so longer, either being advertised as shipping in longer days, or not meeting the day that they were supposed to arrive and showing up the next day. I wonder if that's a strain on the carriers as much as... There's the little tiny voice that's always like, I wonder what their contracts with their carriers are like. If they can show these bottlenecks, maybe potential ways that they can get out of certain clauses to set themselves up to be a carrier. We've seen them make moves infrastructure-wise in the past and honestly, as a consumer, do you care if it's the UPS guy or the FedEx guy that shows up with the Prime box with the cool tape that says Prime over and over or whatever it's the Prime guy? Or if it's... My dog barks at him either way. It doesn't matter whether they come out of an unmarked white van, or if something happens disturbingly or if they're a courier or it's DHL or it's that company that's contracted by the USPS to fill in gaps, it doesn't matter. Yeah, no. When it shows up by... I know the unmarked van you're talking about, the unmarked white van, it shows up in my driveway quite often. That's your van, Darrell. All right! On track is what I was thinking. On track, yeah. Anyway, so, yeah, honestly, I don't think the consumers care. Amazon saying we've had to add more of our own logistics to supplement our partners not to replace them does not rule out the idea that Amazon might grow into a shipper eventually. They're not saying we'll never be a shipper. They're saying this isn't why we're building this. Same reason they started adding servers. They didn't intend to become Amazon Web Services when they started Amazon in the 90s, but, gosh, eventually they started to realize they were pretty good at doing that web-serving stuff, and so they turned it into a business. Which is the same thing that we were just talking about was it last week or the week before about export from Asia. They were getting into that because like, hey, we're really good at doing this. We built this infrastructure. Maybe we'll let some other people use it. Yeah. Finally, this final story is probably one I wouldn't do if my wife didn't work for YouTube really closely with the Fine Brothers, but it got lots of votes on our subreddit, and I don't want to be seen as biased if I ignored it, so I thought I'd at least present it here. Seth Brower posted the story from Mashable that the Fine Brothers who do the React Channel, you know, Kids React, Parents React, YouTubers React announced this week that they will license 11 of their show formats and trademarks for others to make. In other words, they said, if you want to make a Kids React we'll let you, we'll give you the rights to use that format and our trademark. A lot of users looked at this and said, well, wait a minute, anybody can make a reaction video and users like Austin Rivers on Reddit said the Fine Brothers and YouTuber are now attempting to copyright reaction videos, something that existed before they joined YouTube. On Twitter, the Fine Brothers wrote we're not saying we hold a copyright on reaction videos overall, no one can. We're licensing our specific shows like TV has done for years. So as opposed to the concept of like, you know, Tom you've been doing shows about tech news on a daily basis for a while now. So this would be as opposed to you for instance saying like, I would like to start licensing anybody who would also like to present tech news on a daily basis. This would be you saying like, oh, you want to do day 8 of DTNS, I'll license you the DTNS brand. Again, my wife works for YouTube. She's friends with the Fine Brothers. So maybe you shouldn't listen to anything I say, but the way I look at this, it's a confusion between copyright and trademark. What the Fine Brothers are saying is what you're saying, Darren, which is hey, we've got a show. If you would like to do a version of our show, we'll give you permission for that. Which you need because it's our show. They're not saying if you want to do a show that is around the same concept you need our permission. Are you saying if I wanted to open up a radio shack and I didn't have to join radio shack corporate that I could become a franchise somehow? Well, yeah, it's kind of what the Fine Brothers are doing. It's a little bit, there's lots of differences, but it's generally the same concept, which is anybody can open a shack that sells radios. But if you want to lay it out like Radio Shack and call it Radio Shack, you got to get Radio Shack's permission. I like it. Yeah. So anyway, that is that. Thank you to everyone for joining us on our show. I hope you enjoyed it. If you did, please leave a like and subscribe to our channel. We'll see you next time. Thanks for joining us on our show. Two different approaches are being tested by Chase. One is you authenticate on your app and then it gives you a seven digit access code that you enter to the ATM. That was apparently easier to update the ATMs firmware to handle. And that seven digit access code is different every time. So even if somebody looks over your shoulder, it's not going to do them any good after you've used it. The other is to build NFC equipped ATMs and that requires a hardware change that would work like Apple Pay or Android Pay or any of those NFC payment systems so that you could just hold your phone up, authenticate and get the money that way. Darren, what do you think of all this? I am so excited for this, but I think we should also clarify right off the bat that we're not talking about completely cardless. I'm assuming the ATMs will still accept your card. That is a good point. Yes. We still have card slots. Yes, that would be good. Okay. So the first three thoughts here is that currently what we have is a really pathetic system of what you have and what you know is a very long symmetric key that is your credit card number or your debit card number I guess in this case and then the PIN code which is just pathetic. This alternative actually adds many more factors of authentication not just that we're going to send you this code and you type this code in or scan this picture, but also the fact that it is layered security and that's really a lot of times when we talk about security that's one of the things you have to take into account is we're all creating threats by adding layers and things of that nature so you figure if you actually have a pretty locked down phone this adds more security than your existing infrastructure of just having your debit card which is fantastic. It does lend itself to some more sophisticated phishing scams, possibilities of that. Not just phishing scams too if I get say root access on your phone it's not inconceivable that I couldn't also launch your chase app and get the code and then type it into an ATM that said what's most exciting about this though is the fact that if I was a bank there's basically if I were to do this I wouldn't want to spend a lot of money like the NFC solution that costs money to implement but by doing it with what I already have I can just do it in software which forces these banks to update the software that's running on their ATM so that we no longer see Windows XP blue screens or dear god, Windows 3.1 mouse cursors and such although does it make them upgrade the underlying operating system you're right actually what this does is this gives work to visual basic for programmers that know Windows OLE maybe that's wishful thinking on my part is actually that this forces them to upgrade their software that now is standing I think about this and I'm like okay well why would a bank do this right I mean there is the concept of keeping up with the Joneses but honestly a bank wouldn't be doing this if it weren't going to get anything of value for it so so far in any of the articles that we've looked at there's no mention of like a service fee for using such a thing but when you think about it the obviously it requires their app their app is going to require certain permissions and there is a ton of data mining that can be done on the smartphone that that intrinsic value that the bank can use elsewhere or it can use it as I mean it is a very personal platform your smartphone a fantastic place to offering some of the banks other services that they can then monetize that way and I think another advantage that the banks get is reduction of fraud at least they're hoping so if like you say opportunities for phishing are the majority problem here I would imagine that the fraud incidents will still go down because you won't be you won't be subjected to skimmers if you're using your phone those are those attachments that go on and read your card data and you don't even know they're there and you wouldn't be subject to somebody stealing your pin by looking over your shoulder or pointing a camera and checking out pin numbers so they might bet that they'll lose less money in fraud right oh no absolutely and that's you know because they end up eating the costs at the end of the day for that stuff anyway so it's absolutely you know there's that benefit as well that's one that I hadn't even thought of the one of the other things I thought of when this first looking at this was you know what about the interoperability and from what I understand I'm not completely versed in this I asked Shannon because she used to work at a bank about this and she pointed out the serious thing as far as like interoperability between banks like I can take a Bank of America card to a Chase ATM and get money out and obviously it's in the bank's best interest to kind of keep you tied to their platform or maybe we do see some sort of standardization down the road if the benefit is that they get more data from your phone. Yeah BMO in the Wired article was saying they are open to standardization and they would love to do the NFC thing but they want a wider ecosystem available before they invest in it so there's that aspect of it BioCow in the chat room who by the way works in this industry says that both NCR and Daibold ATM makers already have or are working on software updates to support the BMO version of ATM so that could help interoperability and he says another plus to this is it's super fast you can have your cash in less than 10 seconds that's nice would you change banks over this Tom? No I wouldn't it's I rely on credit unions because they treat me better and one of my credit unions doesn't have the ability to scan a check in and I haven't switched because of that I know it'll come eventually my old credit union didn't have an app when everybody else had apps for a while now they do so you know I mean to me the reliability and the way the bank treats the customers more important but I don't know if that's true for a lot of people a lot of people may if not switch banks they may not use other ATMs and use the ATMs from their own bank more often which I think is also in the bank's best interest Yeah and you know to BioCow's point if NCR and Daibold some third parties offering these solutions that's not to say that those couldn't just be offered to those credit unions as well the last point that I was thinking about on this was here's what I'm kind of excited about actually is the fact that you know I'm like I'm one of those people I don't know if you're one of these people if you can't see the video I use one of those smart phone cases where you can put your credit cards in and I know it's a terrible thing and I've in fact actually left my phone with my wallet and my ID in a cabin Vegas did get it back so anyway don't follow by my example but I know this is becoming more and more popular I'm seeing people like in line at the Starbucks when they're looking at their iPhone with their wallet case like I only keep two cards with me you know ID and debit card I would love to get that down to one and it's just another example of the further I don't know if there's a good term for this but like it's the omni device that the smart phone is becoming imagine some techno dystopian future where digital birth certificates and stuff but it's actually not that kind of crazy in fact at least here in California I'm legally allowed to use the GEICO app as my insurance card so if I get pulled over by a police officer I've done it and pulled up the app and there's my proof of insurance and the same goes Delaware and California are both doing pilot programs this year for digital versions of driver's licenses so this is just again one more thing that's an app on your phone rather than a card in your wallet well and most of these cards are merely conduits for information for numbers for the most part maybe pictures in the case of a driver's license and your phone can do that and in some ways it's less secured in some ways it's more secure because I can lose I can lose my phone I guess too but somebody can just grab that card and get the number off of it if I have a properly secured phone those numbers are a little bit harder to get at if I steal your debit card Tom exactly and I'm not going to have the problem where if I try to factory reset your debit card that I'm going to have to try to change your password or wait three days like you do with like a you know one of my credit cards just got reissued with the chip on it and they put the number on the back of the credit card and I was laughing I was like what does that do why even because we need to inspire consumer confidence ooh the number's not on the front anymore you know what everybody would just go spend all your money right now just a little thanks now you care well thank you Biacow for the insights in the chat room and I this is one of those things where I'm looking forward to seeing how it works and I think it's got a lot of upside to it it's an interesting response to like the Apple pays and the BitPays and the I'm starting to see NFC transactions in more places than I used to and I mean small places not big chain places so like the dog bakery near my house now takes Apple pay which means it also takes Android pay do they take Samsung pay? yeah why wouldn't it? do they take hack 5 pay? I imagine they would knit their eyebrows a little if I asked them that's what we need to get everybody on yeah yeah yes you do need to get everyone DTNS DTNS is coming next year right? yeah yeah our pick of the day comes from Daniel Christensen in Chile Racine Wisconsin who said I loved that you brought up JCR Licklider on the podcast last Friday his story is incredible and many listeners of your show would likely enjoy the Dream Machine JCR Licklider and the revolution that made computing personal and we'll have a link to that in our show notes as well but if you'd like to read up more about that and the roots of machine learning and AI definitely check it out thank you Daniel send your picks to us folks feedback at dailytechnewshow.com you can find more picks at dailytechnewshow.com slash picks Tyler in rapidly thawing New Jersey liked our discussion on Microsoft software solution he had one question though who decided Microsoft would provide the solution? each state party, the national parties and election commission Microsoft itself he said it's not unusual for one tech company unilaterally to provide a solution to a government project but usually this is part of a lengthy and public bidding process so I looked it up and it was the individual parties it sounds like Microsoft approached and said hey state parties of Iowa we would like to provide this service for your caucus and they all agreed that they would try it out this year it's not a government project though and this gets lost in our election fury every year I feel like more and more the party nomination systems are party nominations any party that can get on the ballot can nominate their candidate however they want there's no government bidding process so if the republican party wanted to just go and hire someone without a bidding process to do a different election system they could so then it gets the law it's their party I think you also have to consider the fact that the caucus is the Super Bowl for a different demographic and this isn't it's not just Microsoft we're seeing YouTube and Twitter and any other company that wants to get in front of those eyeballs this is a great medium for that and so the fact that they didn't do a bidding process doesn't run afoul of any laws this is Microsoft going to the state parties saying we'd like to provide the solution for free the state parties vetting it saying yeah it sounds good and going through the optics of saying both parties will agree to it both parties will make it transparent how it's working and as I said yesterday again my only objection is make the source code open so we can all see how it works Isaac said no one has said thus far but I think the real usage of the Beats premium brand for Apple will be to launch their virtual reality product Beats is already a premium priced audio product adding VR screens they can introduce a product that can be big headphones when not in use I then suspect the launch would have two or three models at the $500 to $800 range and have VR apps built into the devices think a modern quick time VR the Beats VR set would connect with the latest Bluetooth and work on all current iOS and macOS devices and he has a link to Avagant which is a VR screen that you can watch movies with but then you pop it up on top of your head and it works as headphones I've absolutely seen these it's an interesting concept but the question is why would Apple use the Beats brand instead of their own that was always the weirdest thing Apple bought and not to rehash the whole Beats thing but they did such a fantastic job with the white earbuds with the launch of the iPod that them to then have to buy a company to get that cool again would they then still use that company's namesake with the launch of a, you know, hypothetical It's a great question and it's a bigger question than just VR which is what is the future of the Beats name within Apple but for some reason when I saw the Beats VR name written down in Isaac's email I'm like yeah I can absolutely see them do that and just turn Beats into I or E you know like it just because one of their prefixes that they start to use that'd be interesting so imagine a world where Apple uses the Beats brand as kind of like a test bed for new technology so that it doesn't have to muck up the Apple side of things oh and then they can reincorporate both of them under XYZ to compete with Alphabet and then they can do the Beats Mac okay we're done we're so done we're not quite done actually T2T2 who does a fantastic job providing the service that runs our chat room I always have a hard time figuring out how to properly describe it because there's tons of people that make the chat room work as well as it does T2T2.eu I can never remember chatrealm.net for some reason yeah so that is the he is the underpinnings of this he's also Estonian, lives in Estonia and very kindly translated a recent article he said with all the drone regulation talks I saw a blog post that writes about what the laws in Estonia are for drones I can't really send it raw because it's written in a language that only 1.3 million people about 3 DTS listeners probably can understand so he translated the full post and edited it a little for relevancy we'll include that full post translation in the show notes but Darren you were looking this over what do you think of the maximum height of 150 meters from the ground and the difference between open flight areas and forbidden flight areas generally the rules that they have here what's great is they have rules they have them they're like hey people are doing a thing let's tell them how to do it it's almost like sensible rules if you made them people would follow them I don't know that it's not just Estonia either and these are very sensible rules but even the UK did this very similarly the UK came up with rules for drones I keep saying drones but I mean unmanned aerial systems or small UAS or model aircraft whatever have you but their rules were you know stay under 400 feet and keep your craft under 2.5 kilograms so very similar to 150 meters or 500 feet and you know what happened in the UK because they had sane regulations because they had laws that people could actually follow people followed them and then that led to UK's aviation board I forget the name of it saying hey you guys have been great for 18 months incident free now you can go up to a thousand feet and you can go up to 3.5 kilograms and yet in the United States we have illegal mandates from the FAA for drone registration with exemptions for 250 grams like that's infathomable how if they had just not dragged their feet for years as the FAA has done and just come out with sensible regulations even if they knew they would need to revise them later then we would all just be playing by the rules instead of like breaking the unknown code one of the things about the drone registration is to me the benefits would be it is educational so I only have to register once and then I can apply that number to all of my UAVs or UASs however to be educational you need to have a good set of rules to educate people on so you're pointing out a deficiency in my logic there I think yeah well okay so no I'm pointing out the fact that the UK has done it if you go to fpvuk.org there's an amazing page and I've linked it in IRC and I'll put it in the doc but there's an amazing one and a half minute video that gives you the gist of the laws in the UK and it's really sensible here's what it is standard thousand feet standard three and a half kilograms stay 50 meters away from buildings and people boom done I mean and the Estonian rules that are described here are a little more elaborate than that but they're not hard to understand which is basically anywhere that's an open flight area you can fly up to 150 meters doesn't matter where you are if it's an open flight area 150 meters then there are controlled areas where you need to get a flight permit and that cost you 45 euros and you have to file it that is around the capital Tallinn around some of the smaller airports and then there are forbidden areas which are near the airports within one or two kilometers of the airports and you're not allowed to fly there at all so there's really only three things to consider am I in an open flight area am I in a controlled area or am I in a forbidden area and then I do whatever those areas require I mean you keep using the UK as an example but it's like this for the vast majority of Europe because they didn't drag their feet they just came out with sensible laws and I'm sure they'll revise them I mean in this case the UK revised them to make them even friendlier to drone operators because they were being good they have the same kind of principle where you do need to get permission if say for instance it's for commercial photography or something of that nature but it's a sensible thing where you go and you fill out a form and you get permission there was a tweet recently from Chris Anderson of 3D Robotics who makes I guess one of the biggest drone makers in the United States with their version of their app that very sensibly shows you if you're within five nautical miles of an airport which is really great I pointed out however that is screen shot of the Bay Area is a little inaccurate in that we have all of these idiosyncrasies where all of these different jurisdictions try to make their own laws whereas for instance East Bay Parks have a regulation against flying drones there but then again there's is you can't fly from the park so I guess if you take off from outside the park you can fly through it yeah it's just too messy here well again getting back to the Estonian Rules when you fly if you're flying with a permit now if you're in an open flight area you just fly if you're flying with a permit you call to let them know you're starting your flight you call to finish your flight they're like if you're changing the batteries don't call but just at the beginning and end of your flight call us and you have to be contactable so that if if they're like hold on we have a change of conditions we need you to ground they can ground you and that you know something like a fire or something could be a condition for that also you're not allowed to fly around crowds so they just have a provision in there if there's a crowd of people then you need a permit to fly around and in most cases we're not going to let you fly around a crowd of people without special permission so there you go I mean it all makes sense all of the things that Darren has had to say to explain like the bay area just the bay area compared to this is kind of crazy even since 1983 the FAA has had a memorandum that acknowledges the voluntary guidelines set forth by model aircraft clubs that are very sane and sensible but they just identified as laws and they're actually the same exact stuff standard 400 feet away from airport, things of that nature and even in those there's brilliant YouTube videos of people trying to follow the rules which are to say if you're going to fly anywhere near an airport give a call to the control tower operators and let them know and so there's great videos of people like yeah so I'm going to be flying my hub sand in my backyard whatever we don't even, what do we do with you we don't even know how well I said to call so I called well that is it for this episode of daily tech news show thank you Darren kitchenHAK5.org is going loud and strong what do you got going on over there these days oh man so much good stuff we have been doing a ton of development on the new wifi pineapple the wifi pineapple nano is out we're doing a lot of videos on that on all of the various stuff we've got a very active community developing modules and stuff for that on the shows Shannon I did a great one on netcat if you're interested in doing some advanced stuff with it's not just netcats just advanced fun stuff you can do with TCP and I would like to tell you a joke about TCP otherwise we got good stuff on vpns Shannon's doing some fantastic stuff with tech thing so always check that outHAK5.org is where you can find all the shows. Hey Len Peralta, what are you drawing? well I told you before the show pre show Tom that I it's probably the weirdest thing I've ever drawn for this show and I've drawn some pretty weird things this is about as weird as it gets you know you had this the story about cardless ATMs and at some point every week when I'm drawing this I'm thinking to myself I gotta have an idea and I'm gonna have to go with this idea and so I decided to go with it this for those of you who are on audio I'll have to describe it to you if you remember Can you describe it? I'm gonna try my best to describe it to you if you remember from the 80s there was a Calvin Klein had with Brooke Shields I remember and it was and the line was you want to know what comes between me and my Calvin Klein's nothing and it was sort of an infamous little ad there and I don't know the first thing that came to mind when I was talking about wallets and digital wallets is that it would you know we replaced this huge thing in the back of your pocket so there you go the image is of Tom dressed sort of like Brooke Shields from that ad pulling the cardless his phone out of his back pocket and the line says you want to know what comes between me and my digital wallet nothing it's an ad for cardless seamless the only thing that is hard to believe about your drawing is that I don't own Calvin Klein jeans or a red shirt I know I had to it's perfectly believable it was strange drawing you in something a little bit different Tom it was refreshing for me hey not everything I draw makes sense and this is a perfect example of it I'm sorry people I'm sorry if you want to risk seeing me in a Brooke Shields like pose as Red Drift drawn by Led Peralta head over to LedPeraltaStore.com folks you can even buy one yourself yeah and also I want to mention that I am running a patreon as well patreon.com forward slash Len if you are interested there is a level on that patreon where you can get every single digital image including this one it's a digital file and it certainly helps me out it's a lot cheaper than buying them as a physical print but hey you have choices just like I had a choice to do this and I went ahead and did it thank you Len this is hilariously fantastic I love the call back I'm a sucker for a good parody to begin with thank you so check it out folks LenPeraltaStore.com slash support if you would like to make sure the show keeps going if you get some value out of the show if you just want to pledge in order to ensure that I never actually stand like that in 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get a money well what you should do is put a perk level where it's your choice you split one gets it and one doesn't it's the new album art yeah it's an A-B testing you know I didn't want to do anything that was like oh it's cardless ATM I don't know the very first thing I thought of was like I won't have this huge wallet in my back pocket anymore which is kind of dumb most people don't but I just thought it would be kind of a funny thing do you keep your wallet in your back pocket oh man I had the sciatic thing I don't even carry a wallet anymore it's actually in my phone it's on my hip actually now you're one of us are you doing the phone wallet thing too no you know what that's a cool no I have this stupid thing on my belt I still haven't come up with the best idea you holster your wallet I do my son has something on the back of his phone where he puts all his perks and information do you guys still pay for most of your purchases with cash no I never brought up the cash thing damn it I'm sorry I'm gonna post a delight that we'll have to I was gonna taunt Darren and say like yeah but will we even need cash in the future this ATM first it wastes the time well no because then that brings out the fragmentation of do I dwallow you or do I cash you or do I mean do I paypal you I'm just gonna Venmo you anyway I'm using fake Venmo it's the best what you haven't seen fake Venmo there's an amazing college humor youtube video about fake Venmo where you can like just like the Venmo app except it doesn't do anything see it shows it right there I just did it I just Venmoed you oh great thanks wait do you even carry like bucks do you even carry what do you even carry like 20 bucks or like 5 bucks in cash or nothing oh you know in my actual so here's the thing this is just my like everyday carry kind of phone with wallet with um debit card well no but I do have a proper wallet it just carries passports journals the additional credit cards that I don't use often but yes cashy cash and look at me rolling hard with my one oh bless up bless up rain washington's I have a fat wallet and I keep it show us your credit card numbers Roger yeah hashtag that new credit card but most of that is business cards but I still I still pay for 90% of my purchases with cash do you keep that in your back pocket no I keep it in my front pocket because I've been pick pocketed before I don't even carry if I carry cash it's in my pocket my wife doesn't like to carry cash which means I have to well she also works at youtube they just make it rain cash yeah I was the back back pocket wallet guy too until the sciatic nerve thing so it's all front pocket but if I'm not even carrying my wallet which is mainly just my journal anyway yeah it's just cash in the pocket I love spending cash got cash I never have cash I always feel like somehow I'm getting something for free when I spend cash it feels amazing transaction fee I use it because it's actually a really good leash on how I spend oh yeah I tried that once didn't work out so well when it was on Amazon hey what's our title for this cash free episode well we've got a spooky charging at a distance the beats go on people familiar with the state of matter that has nothing to do with the show but I love it um um uh uh banksy pay yeah if Darren were a bank yeah it'll day it'll day it'll day it'll day cash from your pocket cash from your pocket um I like point shoot take cash yeah what I'm gonna go with point shoot take cash Len when are you coming out with yours man I want to start using Len pay Len mode yeah Len mode would be great cards on the uh on the Shopify store own uh no no I don't I don't I don't it's just it's weighted fraud yeah big ones don't do it and I gotta come up with something for uh for Valentine's Day though I was thinking maybe something maybe something nice for the ladies when I worked at half price books I can't remember what the term was I think it was a year but they put an expiration date on their gift certificates and inevitably like once every two months so but he'd come in with an expired gift certificate and we'd have to go through this whole dance of me saying I'm sorry your gift certificates expired and they're saying but I spent cash this is as good as cash and then a manager coming out and saying okay this one time it's like why did we put expiration dates on them why yeah yeah it's kind of dumb well that's the thing is like if you think you're going to get one over on them like yeah sure that may work for like um Ruby Tuesday gift cards that you buy at the drugstore or something yeah but that's like a nameless corporation you know if you're like a little mom and pop bookstore you're going to stand there and tell someone like you know I know you're a good customer Bob and I see you here every Thursday but you know you're getting screwed you know the bathroom is really dirty whenever you ask for the key so yeah yeah I I feel like the idea was enough people will look at the expiration date and go oh I can't use this it's expired that they they'd make a little extra cash or urge them to use it soon yeah yeah and they don't have to carry it on the books that's true yeah oh man I'm just sad that it's too late every single year I'm like oh I should have done pineapple boxer shorts and then I forget so next year 2016 2017 will be the year of pineapple boxers word yeah it's like Linux on the desktop next year man Ken just made my day Ken on Twitter said I really like your snapchats where you ask Sawyer tech questions oh yeah those are cute wait how did I not see those wait are you supposed to get notifications uh no you just have to go look at my story wait I have to it's it's Polish instead of pole well for my story it is yeah if I send you something directly to you then it would oh oh I see how it is Tom you're not sending them to me no I don't send them to anybody I just put them in my story I'm says you'll feel left out fine I'll start sending you everyone until you know Tom you could stop that now yeah yeah I've been trying to tease the topic of that day's DTNS by asking Sawyer what he thinks about it yeah those cute thanks I wish there were a way to what to know if people were actually watching your you can you can look and see how many what the what the people are you click on your my story on the little three dots to the right mm-hmm and that expands oh it shows who's and it shows you has little I with a number and then you can tap that I and it shows you who they are I gotta tell you snapchat is not very it's not very intuitive at all maybe it's just because I'm I'm an old guy I don't that's what I always assume about myself so I I feel like we need like a whole channel of like middle-aged people use tech yeah oh yeah there it is people people you can see who watched it you can see who watched it or how the number you can see exactly who watched it creepy what if YouTube implemented that and you can actually see like every single account that watched your video I bet you could somehow I mean I'm sure it's in the analytics it's in the analytics I bet number of yours but I can't see I watched my video yeah yeah you push the little button and then everything shows up and then you know why they don't do that why that would be the death of naked people videos yeah but I don't think they have those on YouTube though yeah they don't I'm just saying if there if the trend in the video space move towards the ability to see who watched what then I don't necessarily think that that would be good well it's not that the information is not there it's just not presented to the user I mean obviously they tell Eileen every day you know exactly who watched the longest meeting in the world she complies about it all the time they read the names of every single person and then one watched and then check the zero watched and then yes ace detects you know what he watched he watched what my old house skipped through it she comes over it tells me who who skipped through DTS yeah yeah right oh my gosh by the way for people who are still listening if anybody is in the San Antonio area and is going to his packs south this weekend stop by the Steve Jackson games booth and they have very very limited numbers of the guest artist edition the Len Peralta edition of star munchkin sweet they had like yeah it's really cool if you check my twitter feed there's an actual picture it says celebrate 15 years of munchkin with Len Peralta it's like they didn't even tell me they were doing this big poster so I'm like oh man that's so super cool so pack south if you're there make sure you check it out I think you can also play it which is the exact same game if you were playing star munchkin but it's my art so on your way to we have concerns at pack south pick up the munchkin version that's right that's right alright I gotta get home what's for dinner chef len what's good chef len egg white toast of course water of course water he's drinking more than water he's also drinking syrup too he's drinking lots of syrup responsibly he's drinking so much syrup and then he hits the lid you never see him actually take more than a little sip of it no I don't even know if he's drinking it he usually is drinking water but so many water bottles in that house like so many plastic water bottles I just get a glass if I were chef D I'd be like would you just get a glass I'm sick of picking up these water bottles all the time yeah I kind of want to know what her life is like who's chef D always there well he you know it's funny the weird thing is that you watch it and you kind of sort of know the layout of his house right because he comes down every morning on that elevator so there's like some sort of elevator he's on then he walks into that there's that big pole and he walks into the kitchen then he goes outside with a lion he has a pool yeah and then his office he ever seen his office as the elliptical and then he was up real late at night last night the other night doing like bills or something I don't know what he's doing and then I don't know if the studio is at his house or not but he might be going somewhere for that but weird he's in Miami yeah I think so yeah I think that's right is it chef Hodges the jet ski to your friend's house right it's not chef Hodges okay chef Hodges alright I'm gonna get going I gotta go see what DJ is up to alright man alright see you later tell Khaled I said hey hey bless up bless up more winning more winning every day we got winning vibes the journey to more success got spaghetti vibes see you can keep Len here forever if you just talk to him like DJ Khaled I'm waiting for this once it hits SNL fan love Len I'm gonna buy one of them those day shirts they don't want me to eat spaghetti so I guess I'm gonna eat spaghetti yes that would be great alright thanks everybody for watching we'll see you later