 Welcome back to the breakfast and plastiva Africa time for us to check out the front pages of a national dailies We have o'connor boncote area who joins us to analyze some of the big stories on the dailies I set off with a daily independent newspaper this morning and the board caption reads Households food security under threat in Nigeria. The World Bank is quoted on that Senator raises the alarm over threats in Nigeria's sovereignty and And you find Senate passes real estate regulatory bill to carb fraudulent practices Another caption says four people die in another building collapse in Lagos It's I don't know. I mean that's quite interesting if you ask me Why federal government secured 72 million dollars from world bank for 36 states The minister is quoted on that and the f aac shares 671.910 billion era to federal government states local governments for october And another header says APC's seals off streets leading to secretariat over security reports Or shouldn't go guba poll pdp to commence sale of farms november 22nd And the federal executive council ok's 27.4 billion naira contract award for work's housing FCT ministries all of that you find On the daily independent and just before we move away Noth's rulership a disaster for Nigeria says bachna Kirillay Acts government to compensate families of victims killed at leki toll gate That's the much we can take on the daily independent newspaper this morning and out of the punch newspapers Nigeria risks us arms embargo of our alleged protesters killings by soldiers AI director asked us congress to apply leaky laws against Nigeria And government officials risk visa ban. We draw all of privileges says akin teriwa PDP reps ask blinkin to probe violence against ensar's protests The protests is a big pardon also on the punch this morning eight killed and vehicles burnt As a speeding tanker and truck collide in ogum We can also find here PDP knocks akiridulu as government governor appoints son dg nominates 21 others federal government demands probe of Ivorian cop over jailed nigerians death For construction workers die as two buildings collapse in Lagos And we can find here this morning on the punch still ishaku Ishakus a laments as cameroonian separatists kill 11 in taraba And 348 travelers killed in 771 road crashes in ondo kumbi and kwaibom says the frsc Fulfill agreement with asu Save vassities from fresh closure sotan tells buhari Passengers lament as railway workers begin strike ground services federal government raises power tariff december Beganes free meter purchase And also inflation may push 91 million nigerians below poverty lines as the world bank All right, let's move away from the punch and check out the guardian newspaper this morning And you have an editorial Saying federalism is the answer after all all of that on the guardian newspaper this morning The board caption reads uncertainties as tenure of Nigerian regulatory commission nigerian electricity regulatory commission Commissioner ends. That's what you find as a board caption this morning apc crisis Festers as please condone off secretariat again NAS cannot provide constitution to take us to the promised land Fun who's seeing all of that when you check out the guardian this morning And you also have 11 killed others missing as kemaronians attack taraba Four killed five rescued in another collapse building in legos That's the much we can take this morning on the guardian newspaper And on the nation disquiet as petrol sells for 159 naira per liter at depot Product raised or raised by 11 hour per liter nmpc accuses operators of breach impact us removes nigeria from religious freedom violators list It says notably missing from the list is nigeria a country that the state department had named as a cpc in previous years And sars leaked report has errors says panel member Legos seeks restraint Uh, we can also find there one killed and six date abducted in niger state senate probes legos gas explosion I g female cops can live with uh civilian spouses in barracks There was a little bit of controversy yesterday after a you know contrary story Was put out, you know saying that female Nigerian police women who of course didn't marry From the force were being kicked out of the barracks Also this morning nmpc gets 104 billion naira loan from afriex in bank and cameroonian separatists kill 11 In taraba community. There's so much Good morning. Mr. Upunabo in cotaria Thanks for joining us once again. Good morning All right. Thank you. Good morning. Yeah, we probably should start from the Taraba state story it says the ambasonian Uh warriors or what i'm not sure what they are called now um Of course attacked taraba and killed about 11 people in taraba And of course that's one of the stories that was uh stated on the daily independent about fears about nigeria sovereignty I think it was um on the daily independent this morning Yes, it says senator raises alarm of a threat to nigeria sovereignty after the ambasonian attack So let's let's start with that mr. Ingotaria um How much of a problem do you think we have? what it is um so sad that because uh It's a written reminiscent of what happened in the second republic When on that I believe presidential shagali When I think it was marley vided nigeria Then the president uh president the president muamadou brother. I think was the geoscientist And he repelled their fact Even without getting any premature from president duare Sorry president shagali He never did and when he was queried he said that it was part of the constitutional responsibility Of the military to protect the territorial integrity of the nation. So he went ahead without Uh getting an instruction to go ahead from the scene see it is sad that Now he's the same scene And he's unable to contain this invasion because even the boko haram he himself said he from several locations That these were non-negligence in bed in the country And the only aspect the issue of sovereignty of the nation what it has to do with uh in summer crisis if I publish you today get up and protest or uh the uh Arewa or any of these groups even the niger delta militants They will say they will not sit back and watch nigeria's threaten the sovereignty of the nation Now we have a standout people a standout aggressor Coming to threaten the sovereignty of the nation with impunity because in most cases they do these things succeed and go back or They conquer those strategies like local governments like we have in bolu state and some other states Not we had the boko haram and this band is already in charge The whole swing those if the local governments even the government's concerned this one So it is so sad that we have a president or we have a governor most times always a president a lot of people We've slanted interpretation simply by to keep attacking the president to keep attacking the president But the box is stable. So whether if today we have a government that Government that is acceptable the government that is possible Then everybody will still comment mr. President if we have the economy that is thriving that is booming a lot of people who commend the president So if the math is the case If anything to the contrary happens, he also thinks the So when we say mr. President mr. President What is it like how like mechanical? Yes, that's the word for it That symbolizes the government is symbolizing the nation as we speak right now So it is sad that mr. President is failing in his duty to protect Nigeria Because when these invasions take place they invade and they recover they kill they name they destroy And the major responsibility of the government is to protect lives and property So the government is repudiating this obligation and that is why it is becoming worse Because we have a concatenation of this attacks. It is not just a one-off thing Today is you're going to hear of ronoh tomorrow. You're going to hear of niger state Maybe thereafter you're going to hear of another state. So the country is almost under siege almost under siege And this is the government that maximizes the minimum and minimizes the maximum you have Standard addresses coming to destroying radio nation You are less concerned about that you're more concerned about people who are protesting against your bad government Who are protesting against your mall administration? I think uh, the president should be alive as a community I that The president actually really has nothing to offer anymore The military terms have set it and that is why the nation is facing the kind of problems it is facing both internally and externally All right, let's check out the daily independent newspaper this morning World bank is saying that the effect of covid 19 pandemic have brought Nigerian household food security On the threat. Do you agree with this postulation? Covid 19, I don't think it's more of covid 19 It's more of security the security situation the follow-up situation in which we'll find ourselves Yes, I agree when we have the lockdown of course the people stand back people we are restrained from going out And so businesses actually suffer. We've had it But we know you've had or not doubt they've been on every aspect of life every aspect of life Including relationships the only people that we are happy with the covid 19 Restrictions, we are the whites because they saw their housewives at home the housewives and the kids You couldn't tell your wife you're going to play golf you couldn't tell like you had one meeting or the other You couldn't talk about political meetings and so on although there are breaches by Top top politicians in the country who felt they were above the law But apart from that, I don't think it's more of covid 19 I don't think it's good in 19% I think there's more of the security situation in the country I think that is what is after because take for example, Niger state Niger state as they hold the Niger state is almost twice the size of eastern Nigeria And my mind just said the Niger state is known for Antiquities because of system farming and a lot of them could not go out to farm and this affected Grossly the food supply in the country So I think why yes covid 19 no doubt about that because of the restrictions But I think there's more because if you talk about covid 19 those restrictions are the relaxed so why do we they have Increased in food prices. Why have your high could explain that So it's not all about covid 19. I think it has to do with the security situation in the country Okay All right, um, yeah, I think it the world bank is also talking about inflation saying inflation Um may push 91 million Nigerians below poverty line, you know, so it's um, it's beyond You know, like you said beyond covid 19 That is that's what I'm saying And when you talk of inflation in Nigeria, how I mean it's bad day bad day. How much you end This has really nothing to do with Uh, global economy. It really has to do with bad governance Okay, for example, we keep boring and how do you go to spend on a correct the correct explanation It is ridiculous If you have to borrow it should be on capital expenditure But in this country we borrow for the mr. President to travel out of the country. We borrow for mr. President to go Health back to shop we borrow to we borrow for a practical effect If it's possible to even borrow the air we break we'll borrow the air We'll borrow for everything and that is what is that for not minding The consequences of such boring. We don't mind it. We're not bothered. All we're interested in is what will get into our pocket immediately look at the money's recovered and the Mess that salami who's supposed to be that on Nigeria But got a message when you take all these issues of that by that You realize that the Nigerian problem really has to do with sincerity of focus when you have characters who are involved and who believe Once they are pointed it seen as a gravy train. They are not there the image of Nigeria They are there to further align their focus. That means that you are going to have all these issues Or look at asu going on starting to go on strike again Now we borrow to do all kinds of things but we neglect the necessary things Things that will ensure the continuous growth of this country now and in the future because these are people once they've gone on strike students are going to suffer A lot of things are going to put on hold for every time We've actually gone on strike for one year and until it has taken about 10 years That is what a lot of people don't understand, you know, and you look at somebody a father is going to trade That is expensive there's poverty Is palpable and pervasive A man struggles He has the calculation my child is going to be in school for four years That child ends up being in school for six years for seven years for eight years Not because the child is too but because asu went on strike because the father got the fear to do what it ought to do So when you put all these issues together, well, why are you not going to have inflation? Why are you not going to have inflation? So much is being stolen from the system Right and people bringing in their stealing from the system and every combo you steal from the economy Have an effect one way or the other and look at the way the uh, the government the government is going wrong What are government officials doing with 20 cars in their combo? What are you going to do that go to Ghana? You can never see that even if you go to victory Most times he walks down to ten down the street Of course you have the security checks everywhere for most times he walks out to ten down the street So when you cut down on all these excesses to a very large extent you are going to reduce inflation But no they will go up for this and we pay Because it is a loan so you have to pay back All right, mrs. Ankutariya Some other thing of course that has made headlines Is the united states and the un's reaction to the ends as report It says on the Pontius morning Nigeria risk us arms embargo over alleged protesters killings by soldiers AI director and this international director acts us congress to apply lihi laws against Nigeria Goes on to say government officials risk visa ban withdrawal of privileges as akin terroir And pdp rep acts blink into probe violent against nsars protesters Um, mrs. Ankutariya Do you think or any of this is is likely seeing the united states relationship with the the current land during government? And also the you know, how much interest the west really has in some of all these things Well, the west is just paying the big brother rule What i'm going to actually implement most of these uh threats. It's it's a difference in all together, you know It's all about interest The west will not do what it will not cut its nose to spite its face Now the truth about it at some point there will be Around table discussion on how to address these issues I don't see the west coming down heavily on the Nigerian government like it be to the base of aperture I don't see that happening, but they are trying to mount pressure So that the federal government will ensure that the victims of that msars protest Have been uh, don't just die in vain being just dying vain. I think that's what the federal government is trying to do But let me commend the legacy panel For the rather ramrod integrity with which the sad truth I'm having the conscience to come up with such uh recommendations findings and recommendations I commend the government On the panels honestly, I I was one of those being fume decision I thought it was going to be another fan doing it and I never I never had any interest But I was really pleased when the panel came up with this report Although they are saying not everything Is in that report is true or the mixed document is true But a lot of us are happy with it So what the federal government should do you don't need any punting You don't need anybody to come and tell you what to do or what not to do Or to co-ass you or to riddle you or talking to do what you ought to do What the federal government should do or what the legacy government should do is to ensure that it implements The recommendations the white paper. I want to believe it's not a review of the implementation of the recommendation But I believe the white people should be a review of the implementation process That is what the white people should be Otherwise anything short of that I can tell you my step another crisis in this country The only way you can assuage the feelings of the Tribulating families of those who the families of those that lost their loved ones Is but if you can't bring by the death, it's not possible Is by doing something to show penitence And one way is to ensure that the commander the man who commanded those Three men to go and carry out that massacre is retired for peace It's retired for peace. You are not going to blame those that open fire Of course, they were the lack conscience without the twinge of conscience. They did what they did But they took orders and you all know that in the military you must carry out the last order You don't have a choice because once you do that can even distract And they'll quit and start from the force you can be dismissed So you don't blame those that went out to shoot you blame the commanders and even the latest state governor who invited The military should also be extricated from the blame And one way he's going to show Penance is by ensuring that he carries out to the lecture the recommendations of the panel Mr. President is equally guilty because he is the commander in chief the governor has no right to invite the military So if the governor invited the military and don't get by extension It means that this that president will do what will they have to go ahead The box of statistics table So something has to be done to assuage the spirit and that is not only that to also address The root causes of the crisis Something has to be done. And I think all these things are embodied in that recommendation by the panel They see me as query. We did not query the content. What he did was to query the procedure Procedural of which of the way it was passed the way it was leaked was not the content He didn't query the content. He said he's waiting for the state government to release the white paper Yeah, because that's what I want to get into a mysynchotara. Hold on kindly hold on So what do you think would be in the white paper because From what we've seen There's a lot of you know, there's a level of indictment that the state governor has And so when Dave presented the report to him and he's meant to now be presenting a white paper concerning it What might be different between these two documents? second of the white paper, I mean, uh, it's It's normal. I mean when when panels with men move their sub-media find mental recommendation Definitely, you need the white paper and cassette. So it's a normal thing. What we have what what Nigeria supported about it that they should not think that They should not at all in it because most times what the government will do is They will go and expand all those things that infected them all those Entirely in the white paper. They will try to explain them or try to embarrass them And that is why I believe the the panel. Let me not say the panel because I'm not sure that that's why I believe it was somehow leaked So that the the government will be aware that Nigeria the government will know that Are aware of the content of the of the of the panel reports. So you don't just don't think about it That is why so we expect the government. I mean, what does it say if you send somebody just say I am sorry If you store this thing then restitution I stole your phone take or The phone is missing. This is the cost means the amount or even if I'm going to do half of the money I mean something to show that I have a muscle and that is exactly what we expect So I don't expect instead got not to do otherwise Because if it does otherwise it simply means there is no muscle and if it's not a muscle I can tell you that it's going to trigger another one Because 10 people are very angry. So it makes our pray And the governor has to be extremely careful in dealing with this extremely careful So there is no point in going to I believe in another one week or there about the the white people should be out And immediately after they're talking of implementation as recommended by the panel That is the only way That great nerves can become to a very large extent I said a very large extent because the issues that led to the answer approaches must be addressed If they are not addressed and you think peace will return is like catching the mission Sadly, Mr. Ingotarian, I'm sorry that we were staying with this, but there's so much of it that needs to be spoken about Sadly, of course, we're still seeing You know the same issues that led to the the answers protest We still see some of those things happen in you know our lives today You know, there's still a lot of injustice, you know concerning the police and high-handed There's still some levels actually not just some but still a high level of police brutality You know across the country today what we may not see is the actual special anti-rubbery squad But we still see clips of people who are armed and not dressed in any police uniform acting as police officers We're still here of people's houses being broken into you know here and there And so not very much has changed And another thing is, you know with regards to implementing, you know, the White paper findings or the recommendations from the white paper It would take more than just the state governor to do that I believe the federal government will also need to get involved But this is a federal government that has not even admitted any wrongdoing in the first place The mis-of-information live Muhammad has not even admitted that any life was lost in lekkie Whereas the report says that much as 96 bodies were on record During the protest What was the question? Yeah, so i'm asking i mean how how can anything be implemented Um on the state and on the federal level when they haven't even been able to admit that any wrong was done Well, I Well nationality, I don't want to use some strong words very hard words because uh permit me to say That unfortunately line Muhammad is one is credited minister A minister That is a shame to the nation not of the government because it's actually doing the bidding of the government But we are not interested in what lies have said. I mean the facts are there like the thing People it is there The facts are there. What are you going to argue? You have a very evidentiary proof You know, so all I'm going to add the federal government Including there is a state and by extension the federal government and other states because other states are yet to Uh, uh, the panels are yet to be defined as a recommendation. What I expect The And the federal government to do It's simple The panel they set up the panel the panel wasn't set up by individuals or CSO Uh, uh What are you but by the government and the panel has come up with his findings If the president And the government of legal state Pills to implement then I am telling you and you have another crisis. They are responsible for the crisis Now we have a government that is draconian a government That is impervious to criticism a government that has no respect for the rule of law We are in the country where the rule of law is hate and abuse to the justice members of bachelors We have a government that is completely insensitive And so I am not surprised when the government, you know, they felt By saying that they were going to impress a lot of Nigerians and outsiders But I asked you a simple question if they say to you you're the woman because that makes you woman The facts are there. It was uh, within church who who said Truth is incontrovertible Is that malice may attack it ignorance may deride it but there it is in the end We also have in uh, what is it called? Uh, allow it to be booked the book cannot to blame the rendition of what it was That's the moon will slowly provide good if it has crossed the sky There are things you just cannot stop Just like water that flows up the river into the street. You can stop it Is a shoulder distributed you can stop it So these are facts. It is clear now that life we are lost It is also clear now that the whole of the military was unconstitutional. So what the government should do is simple Implement the recommendations of the panel is set up. It wasn't set up by anybody And if it fails to do that, then it's going to be a prescription for anarchy Because nigerians will now realize that the government is not there to protect lives and property The government is there to oppress kill and destroy And nobody nobody Will allow you say why are you pushed to the world you bounce back with the double effort Nobody was like it's a stick or a tree that will stand and allow yourself to be killed People are already clamoring that nigerians should be given the license to carry guns And why do you have that at this point in time? Because they believe that the federal government has said it is due to protect lives and property So the only way you can come clear of this for now is to ensure that you implement it Whether you agree with the report or not you will uh, the findings or not you must implement those findings Because people died. We all know that people died. We all know that what life did was dispensation of falsehood, mendacity, loquence. That was all life did. Life died like Muhammad. They lie like Muhammad. That was what he did So nigerians are not interested in what life is saying and we should also understand that the boss does at this table If he allows all these minions because they are minions who are trying to brush it themselves So if he allows all these minions to destroy his already damaged reputation to destroy it further Then he takes the blame And tomorrow nobody will say the lies government. Nobody will say CGS government. Nobody will say Gene of Muhammad Dupuari So let him realize this much I believe I don't know if he's giving this name. I don't think he know if he's going to travel out of the country tonight Or tomorrow or him is going to live in by 12 because that's the only thing we hear The only time he's surprised we hear about the surprise that he's gone out of the country He's going to address issues in other countries where he cannot address issues in his own countries And I ridiculous, you know, so let me make sure The findings of these panels are implemented Governors will do his best. You should also go and have a meeting with Mr. President Not it's not whenever they have political Complaints or when they have the conventions that they need to state or when somebody's defective for Let's have you let's have you share your thoughts on the other issue because This conversation All right, so I'm thinking that we need to just move away because The conversation will always be endless with this particular one. All right, so on the daily independent newspaper You also have a report saying four people died in another building collapse in Lagos And that's around the Badagri era of Lagos. Let's show your thoughts on that We're still grappling with the Effect and the outcome of the collapse building in Iqoyi and now we have another situation Yeah, I think I think the bane of the of the building industry Is a sparkly you have a lot of facts and I don't you have personal bodies like you have Architects you have the civil engineers you have quorum you have nse you have Coaches surveyor and so I don't understand why They I think they should come up with the law Make it a criminal For anybody To get involved in building without having the restricted qualification That is one now it goes beyond qualification It has also to do with the standards of material that is where sun comes in When the Iqoyi building collapsed Sun went there got samples for testing But then I think that should proceed the construction of that building And not proceed the construction of that building So I think some should be a life use accessibility in other words Does you have a team with tax force that will go around building material markets To ensure that standard Material building materials are up for sale. I'm not you know, for example, you have a mixture if you want to make smite You have the mixture Everything is not by accident. It is not a matter of thinking. It is not a matter of choice It's a question of compulsion So what sons you do is to go around building my house and again This government can is also liable. It's also profitable. What happens is If your influencer and you're close to the government or you're close to the government What they did like what I heard about the Iqoyi building what a lot of people do is They take permission for force to rebuild it Then by the time it gets to the force to demand extra money It goes to maybe the minister of town planning or urban development or whatever He gives them extra money and they approve for it to be building when the foundation is meant for for story building It is so it's a product of issues and what I expect is for the professionals to come together And address this issue because it's rubbing of negative beyond their professional Negative you cannot even if you have been building for a hundred years And you don't have the license. You can't come and talk of experience. You must work under somebody Civil engineers Mechanical engineers mechanical engineers are those who do the plumbing in buildings people think they are there to repair injuries No, they are actually the ones responsible for plumbing. What we call plumbing plumbing in buildings is their duty So when you're Did we contract to a civil engineer the civil engineer? No, we have a team of engineers headed by the architect Because in the building industry the architect is the head headed by the who does the design Today must we just call an agenda give him money and he's telling to go ahead So the architect led from the design to foundation to the field to opinion which is extremely extremely wrong Very very wrong. So these are all the issues affected the building industry and the federal government when I mean The government both state and federal should ensure the budget also have the monetary team Should ensure that we mean if it's a one story building That they have a tax force And most governors are not interested in that But it's not the case of a tax force. I mean because you you you have mentioned that We need laws and then we need professional bodies to come together Because they need to checkmate what's going on in the building industry or construction industry as it were But you you have a case where you have government bodies I mean there are laws already and then you have procedures that should be followed to the letter to ensure that Buildings are not just erected how people feel, but it's not about the laws here It's about people following diligently and obeying the laws. You know, I I said is a put money. I mean this what you just said now. I also said I raised that issue I said for example people will have uh a approval for a foundation for first story building And by that I just thought well, maybe they made more money they go and write And they tell them go ahead go six seven eight story building that's that's trying to respond to what you just said So I said now not for example that happens in reverse case I use that hypothetically that happens in reverse. Of course by the time you approach a case The man who gave the approver because if we tell the approver the man goes beyond what is approved Then you can just go and demolish. You don't even you demolish it. That's what I talk about Student aid laws demolish the building. You don't negotiate with it. You said Now you demolish You're not even negotiating with the man. This will sound like a deterrent to others But in most cases they go back to the ministry and write now that man that has that has Mandate to approve They approve the approving authority to be prosecuted Once he without an option of fine because we're talking of loss of life Was that man is prosecuted or that they say when it's told in front What's in case others will take option What's that man is prosecuted even if you really are giving 100 million naira you turn yourself like that How will I endure this 100 million naira when I'm behind bars? And you will not accept that money. So that's why I say for months of issues a whole lot of things But then you must have the stringent loss not the law of You need an approval to take cases to the building. You need an approval to come No, no, that's another if you will get an approval for a case history building and you build 20 and a half That person will be demolished. Just ask is this with the case of Kidnappers Once they know that you're a kidnapper they're going to demolish your building that building will be demolished We're not going to negotiate it when you have the right man You can't really do it because there is no law backing you So if you have such stringent law a lot of people are going to be cautious A lot of people are going to take both the man with the mandate to approve and the man that is that building the That's the owner of the Structure they are all going to because nobody will want to build two stories today and get it demolished Nobody will want to do that. So that's why I said is it and of course you need Those in the industry to drive this because most of the building materials are soft standard That's why some comes in that standard of the job my dear most of the materials are soft standard I will not know I have not an engineer. I'm not that I'm not the officer. I will not know But the quality of your notes The architect might know by experience The civil engineer might know by experience But the quality of your notes because it's so trained Is it so unique all of them? I don't do that in Nigeria to the worker position. You get an architect. You design there. You tell them to go ahead and do Now he uses his own experience To fund this up to the to the last of you He believes he knows it all because he wants to go to hold the whole money in his pocket. It shouldn't be allowed That architect whom you contacted if he fails to get a civil engineer to civil procedure If the civil engineer fails to get an electrical engineer in his civil procedure That was a stringent loss. So when you have a collapse, you say, okay, where is the civil engineer? Where's the mechanical engineer? Where is this one? Oh, I can't see that What they do in the economy? People are trying to cut down costs That's the truth. So where are they sitting at? Where is your own approval? Where is your own approval? You do all of the structure you're going in. You the civil engineer that handle the structure from from this one to now You're also going in Or you the architect you're also going tomorrow a human architect have that Designing they have he's going to ensure that he gets a civil engineer All right, let's move on to other things Also the punch news whippers this morning It seems christmas might be a little more expensive than expected. It says he had the federal government Raises power tariff in december And begins a free meters purchase There's also a story. I think you can probably just squeeze Your thoughts in on these two stories Passengers lament as railway workers begin strike and ground services We spoke with the member of the The dji i believe of the nandria railway workers association Sometime this week and he complained that they have not been any it hasn't been any salary review for railway workers since 1983 or 87 Some of them still earn as little as 27 or 26 000 naira a month And they will be going on a nationwide strike from the 18th for a three-day strike from the 18th, I believe So let's get your thoughts on these two stories. First of all the increments in power tariff In december and also the railway workers strike I think it is past becoming often. There is also an increment in Petroleum the peculum products otherwise it is coming cheaper to run your jet Also, yeah So the government is about to run the you know, there are times I get a deal in one month For a hundred thousand and I And when you go back and negotiate you can I find negotiate to 50 000 naira. So where did the other 50 000 naira come from? Again, the power supply is quite eclectic what they did Or what I think was it Jonathan that Regulated the sector The whole essence is to ensure efficiency Do we have it? No they brought in this We're national tells me I wanted to use sorry. I'll use it and condemn me They brought in this first class To head After the revolution to head it and they are all there to make money They are not interested in serving They are not What are you increasing? If you increase you end up saying nobody should subscribe anymore because nineties are hungry and can barely afford Even the current things everything you need is provided locally Nothing is important We have them here if any of them says they are important they are lying they should come up with everything is provided locally So why will you your child be based on dollar? Why why would it be based on force? Why everything is provided locally? Because that is the excuse they give Which is which is reasonable. This is just a strategy So I think the federal government at this point That's why I say we have a government despite insensitivity the federal government or the national assembly At this point you wait the national assembly back not really bothered because they are not who are saying the government is saying They have bogus allowances for doing nothing For doing practically nothing they have access Some of them can run their generators for a whole year without butting about nothing because When a man goes home with about 30 million dollars You do you do every you look at it So they are not bothered it is a common man that suffers You pay anyway this one you say pay as you go You pay as you go that is not like at the end of the month before you within two weeks They come oh you're visiting cities your credit isn't it? You know the game. These are thieves They're just thieves. I'm very sorry to say They're just thieves. So Nigerians will be resistance We must We must ensure That this truck feeding facts on the sufferings and sweat of Nigerians Because in actual citizen across the service delivery. They have they've performed that piece Mali How many times you have uh, P. I still call it never P. I see another guy never in a day. How many times You're running your generator Then you have never liked for maybe two three hours four five hour max You remain in how many 18 hours a day about your generator What if you're running an office, you know the cost? Even going to cut you at the barbecue saloon One of your things in your deep freezer These are all issues So I want to say Or I want to call on Nigerians To resist any increment We must resist because everything is provided or purchased or sourced locally. So you Have to base it on X. This is X. All right, and I'm not you could also also quickly speak on the Railway workers strike Uh, they are going to be grounding, you know the the whole of the railway system for three days as a warning strike To get the Nigerian government to improve on their welfare and their remunerations Share your thoughts on that one once again, you know, uh, it was sad when we spoke with One of them that they earn as little as 26,000 naira a month And there has not been any increment in their pay for more than 20 30 years now Well, you see We have the government With leech dripping its words of modification and interposition This is a government that talks of minimum wage of 30 30 naira 30,000 minimum Have any shops say yes That we still have federal government work at any below 3,000 I'm sure and It beats me that In this our economy Fighting economy where people can barely Have one square meter speed once a day Somebody's talking of even 30,000 naira whereas you're paying national assembly member 30 million a month you buy cars for them They have uh all kinds of allowances with a president is traveling out every day the vice president the minute Oh, oh my god, okay. Sure. How how big can one be? I want them to go on that strike I really want them to go on that strike They must increase their salaries and not just the salary the condition of service But if you really want people people want to people to get encouraged to work in that sector Of course, there are some sort of what are called allowments There must be some sort of attraction And whether you like it or not it is your right You don't fit back on the sweat of others It is very very wrong. So if they want to Back on the strike first, they should not be paid the minimum wage of 30,000 At least 40,000 At least 40,000 because at that way we said 30,000 there. How much was it married to the dollar? Because if you say 30,000 are to be tomorrow, they will also protest Because of the economy that is getting worse by the day A minimum of 40,000 there with the condition of service So they look at how they went and stole all those railways. They said bandit some say this you might not really get the full details If you're talking of railway, it's a work on development started by Jonathan continue by different stations Very well in terms of railway But you cannot just talk of the structure without those that are going to ban the structure Because eventually they will also steal those things that you put in there to survive Or there'll be no challenge that you start having Real accidents That's it. We are talking of lives as well. So I believe that the minimum wage for railway workers In fact all workers should be 40,000 there and the condition of service improved before If they want to come back on this strike, I ask them to come back on this strike if they want to strike And if they have got them paid to negotiate with them and anoint their players Then it should be an indebtedness, right? And that will make no sense of the whole railway constructions. I really would just be having this one All right, let's look at the Guardian newspaper The sim to this seem to be a constant on the Guardian. He says It's an editorial federalism is the answer after all. Do you think federalism is really the answer to all of the Issues many issues that Nigeria is faced with at the time Oh, yes, yes, I I have a computer and I'm a Some say fiscal federalism and Excuse me. I just love because there is no such thing as fiscal federalism. You see that is federalism or is not federalism The very top of federalism. It involves fiscal federalism That's the truth about yeah, you have Uh And most importantly You have the central full gas system of government that again the central federal system of government in other ways you're devolved We have about the city to city trace into four items on the exclusiveness. It is extremely wrong That is antithetical to federalism to finish federalism anywhere in the world Now why we talk of federalism is simple, but Let me let me address that first before we go into because if you have to Well, after that, it's not true. No, after that is it. Even the state governors are going to abuse it because if the local government Are suffering exactly even worse than what the state governors are suffering in the hands of the federal government Now when you talk of federalism, for example now, it's also entails the separation of powers It's a whole gamut. It entails also the separation of power But you have where you're going to have every space We'll just pay tax to the center. This is what gives rise to the impact issue Every state will pay tax to the center. Now that tax you pay to the center is to ensure the maintenance of security At the national level, but the states have their police So they know how to police their state. Do you know how to police your house more than any other person? It is going to be abused Initially, but with the passage of time Things are going to be correct Now every state will not have his police Every state will have his judiciary every state like in america. You have the support of the states Then you have the national supreme court Because so all you basically do is you don't need to go cap the hand like you guys say Like you have the park now the federal government is busing money to state and the busing money to local governments No, the reverse is going to be the case where you pay tax to the center You're going to develop a very good example of of what then it doesn't fit down into the parliamentary system of government But it can give you an insight was where we have the parliamentary system of government. We are the regents We are basically in control. The They're basically in control of their leaders. I would start healthy competition that went on. That was all we had if that was all we had And we had the radio station. We had the TV. We had all kinds of healthy competition that went on until Gawan came And changed the job because he wanted to be very empowered this dismantled The journalism and went into state creation Just a witty to initiate the path of the government So we need a federal system of government I want to have a federal reserve government a lot of people the center will be less attractive We are going to have people struggling to become governors of their various states Of course, one or two want to be because they you cannot underestimate or Dismiss the path of a president of any nation But it will be less attractive where you have a federal system of government because it doesn't They're talking of the local governments the state governors too. We have less influence on who becomes the local government chairman It's going to be a local and the money is made for local government will be given to local government. So the chairman I'm going to be responsible with the people and not look up to a governor of the states Like it is the case right now. If you go and travel abroad, you'll agree with me That most people know their mayors. They might not even know who their governor is But they know their mayors and the mayors are responsible for certain things So there will be development in that local government because it's just governor who has no power to To the local government chairman what to do? And if the local government chairman is derelict in his duties, the people will know how to hold him accountable You don't force people on anybody That is where the issue of the direct primary is coming. That's why people advocated for the direct primary So if we talk of federalism Yes, let us practice federalism I agree with you Even if you talk of federalism now, for example, you have the ipop issue won't have taken this dimension Isn't that how doing this dimension? But the people believe that in a country called Nigeria, they have been marginalized, but in the country I said they would not feel that way They would not feel it way So I want federalism and we have to practice federalism We said federal the public of Nigeria let us practice federalism and I believe that we want to practice federalism to a very large extent We are going to address most of these malignations And we are going to have a same glance of peace in the country I think we can wrap up the conversation here. 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