 Daily Tech News show is made possible by its listeners, thanks to all of you, including Chris Benito, Steve Aderola, and Jeffrey Zilks. Coming up on DTNS, robots get faster at learning. The U.S. tries to ban data caps. Good luck. And Justin Roby tells us why building a PC is still a good idea for some folks. This is the Daily Tech News for Friday, July 22nd, 2022 at Los Angeles. I'm Tom Merritt. And from Studio Redwood, I'm Sarah Lane. I'm the show's producer, Roger Chang. And joining us, the host of Roby Tech, Justin Roby. Welcome to the show. Hi. How's it going? I'm excited. You guys have good topics today. Oh, thank you. Thank you. And one of them is you. So, you know, we can't go wrong. Let us start with a few tech things you should know. Twitter announced in its earnings report that the number of daily active users rose 15.4% over last year to 237.8 million. You might say, well, it sounds good. However, revenue did not rise. In fact, it fell 1% on the year. Twitter cited advertising headwinds for the decline in revenue. Twitter also lost $0.35 a share and noted it had spent $33 million in Q2 on the proposed acquisition of the company by... What's that name? Oh, yeah. Elon Musk. The billion-help pay-all makeup for that. Google has restored a section that showed app permissions in the Google Play Store. It lets users see what permissions an app can request so that you can make a decision if you want to download it and let it request that. Google had replaced it with a data safety screen, which had most of the same information, but not all. And the big difference was app permissions was computer-generated. It wasn't going to make a mistake. If it was going to ask for the permission, it was there. The data safety screen was written by the developer, so you were trusting the developers to behave themselves. In other words, the permissions list couldn't be fudged or gamed. Google will now show both the data safety screen and the list of app permissions. A couple interesting chip developments to pass along today. First, Infineon is selling the NAC 1080 that can be used in smart locks without needing a battery. It gets its power from the phone that uses NFC to read it, similar to how a security badge might work. It takes a few seconds to work as it builds up power so it's likely to be used in padlocks more often than door locks. In other chip updates, AMD posted a trailer to its YouTube channel and then removed it, detailing AMD's noise suppression feature that uses an algorithm similar to NVIDIA RTX voice. It also appears to be coming to AMD's Adrenaline software. Razer is selling something called the Razer Hyper-Polling Dongle for users of the Viper V2 Pro wireless gaming mouse. If you pay the $30 for the Dongle, it'll increase the polling rate of your mouse to 4,000 Hz. Now that's enough for some of you to go, hmm. But if you don't know, polling is to simplify how often the mouse tells the computer where the pointer should be on the screen. And a normal mouse might go up to around 1,000 Hz. But you can find a wireless gaming mouse that promises 8 or a wired gaming mouse that promises 8,000 Hz. So 4,000 Hz over wireless is pretty impressive. It's debatable if it makes any difference in your gaming, especially since most monitors max out at 500 Hz at the best. But hey, it's only $30. Why not try it? Microsoft confirmed it will, pardon me, in fact start blocking visual basic application macros in Office apps by default as of July 27th. The company delayed the rollout in June and added more instructions for end users and admins on how the blocks work and how to allow trusted macros. Neal Nguyen points out that the latest Windows 11 update gives you the option to update to a newer Windows 11 version at the very first start up of Windows if your device is eligible. All right. Let's talk about data caps. Everybody loves them, but there's some horrible Congress people trying to stop them, Sarah. I feel like you should strike that and reverse it. U.S. Senators Ben Ray, Lujan of New Mexico and Cory Brooker of New Jersey introduced a bill called the Uncap America Act. Does not mean you have to take off your hats. It's not going to prohibit people from wearing stylish snapbacks. Instead, we'll prohibit data caps on high speed broadband if it were to pass. And this is an exception, quote, except when tailored primarily for the purposes of reasonable network management or managing network congestion, end quote. The FCC would then be charged with developing the rules on what is considered reasonable. Now, that's an interesting proposition since most data caps exist as a financial instrument, not for any legitimate network management purpose. Data caps could theoretically ease congestion on networks if they were targeted during a time of day when networks are in heavy use. But most data caps don't do that. Most data caps are broad monthly caps that apply all the time. And so they don't really do a lot to reduce congestion. In fact, they may do stuff to make it worse by saying, well, if I'm going to use it, I'm going to use it only at the best time, which is when everybody else is usually using it. But the old devil lives in the details, Sarah. So how are they defining these terms? I will tell you, the bill defines a data cap the way you might expect as a limit on the amount of bits or other units of information a customer may download or upload during a specific period of time. It defines broadband service providers by wire or radio. So this would be home and mobile services being affected here. Not bad in concept. So is it going to pass? Tom, what are you saying? Well, okay, before I say no, the bill does have the support of InCompos, which is an industry group of ISPs that includes smaller ISPs. So if you've heard of Starry or Sonic or Zenfi, there's a bunch of them that are part of this. And they have big content providers like Google, Meta, Twitter, Netflix and Microsoft are all part of this too. But both senators proposing the bill are from the same party. So you're probably going to have party line opposition. And all the big telcos, AT&T, Verizon, T-Mobile can be expected to lobby pretty hard against it. Well, here we are again. I happen to be, I fall, I'm not anti big telco all the time. But when it comes to this, this is, like you said, it's a financial grab. And if we're going to go ahead and redefine how data caps should and should not be used and should and should not generate money. I would love for this to be the case. But as you mentioned, Tom, probably pretty slim that it would pass, at least without a lot of opposition from both the big companies and within Congress. It's a surprisingly short bill. Justin, am I right in guessing you're not in favor of data caps? Oh, yeah, no, I love them. I mean, it's my favorite thing. That's why I have three ISPs, right? Like it's literally for that reason. We have them because we shift, we literally have had issues where we've had to shift between them because of how much, how much we have to do. So no, not a fan, but like I'm kind of, I'm kind of with the both of you. I just don't, I just don't see this working, right? Like that's the thing is like, there is just nothing here. And, you know, anytime where you see like a like FCC or somebody like that who has to determine like, hey, we're going to go figure out what that reasonably means. It doesn't make me feel confident that they're going to figure out what that is. And that there isn't going to be some loophole, even if this does go through. Well, that, yeah, that's the biggest problem is, is they do leave the reasonable network management provision fairly open. And what we have seen over the years say with net neutrality is get a different member of the FCC in charge and suddenly they're changing all the rules to fit their own way of doing things. So this could be subject to that same back and forth. If you don't prescribe very clearly how to define the rules, I'm against defining rules in the legislation to clearly sometimes because conditions change, especially in technology, like, for instance, making USBC the charging standard, you're going to have to go back and change that someday. And it's going to, it's going to slow things down. This is a situation where I wouldn't want to say exactly what reasonable network management is, but I'd want to set up a way where it will stay consistent no matter who's in charge of the FCC. Yeah, yeah. Why do we think some of the smaller ISPs say, Yeah, this is a great bill. And it's just the larger companies that have the most money that say, No, no, no, this is a terrible idea. Because the smaller companies tend to not use data caps because they know they're unpopular and it helps them get customers. And it's very difficult to compete with those big ISPs. So if data caps were made illegal, then suddenly there's less money going into the big ISPs. And it gives these smaller ISPs a chance to say we fought for you, come to us, and hopefully move towards leveling the playing ground. At least that's the theory. Yeah, it's like they can't really compete otherwise. So why not at least take the other stance from an unpopular stance that the big ISPs are already taking. And it's kind of a no risk stance, to be honest, because chances of this passing are very low. Yep. All right, let's talk robots. Robots that use machine learning to learn a new task have to learn slowly, usually through a repetitious and time consuming training process. University of California Berkeley scientists, though, have a few different ways that they're attempting to simplify and shorten that process by letting the robots watch YouTube. Sarah wants the deal. Okay, so Berkeley scientist Stephen James explained in a tech crunch video where he was kind of given a demonstration. He said the technique we're employing is a kind of contrastive learning setup where it takes in the YouTube video, it being the robot, and it kind of patches out a bunch of areas and the ideas that the robot is then trying to reconstruct that image. In this case, it's a moving image is the video. It has to understand what could be in those patches in order to then generate the idea of what could be behind there has to get a really good understanding of what's going on in the world. Now you might say, okay, so robots watching a YouTube video and learning from it. How could that possibly be enough to teach a robot to do a specific task? Well, it isn't. It's not quite that simple. Human operators also move the robot in real life, either manually, you know, with their hands, or through a VR controller, in addition to the video. So the video is, it's kind of like homework. It's like supplemental information. So that the robot not only observes the task being done correctly in that video, but then is guided to do the same task itself or vice versa. They just have to work in tandem. James said that product. The project is showing success, noting, quote, normally it can take some sometimes take hundreds of demos to perform a new task whereas now we can give a handful of demos maybe 10, and it can perform that task. Yeah, the scientists have a couple of other ways they're working on speeding up learning as well. Berkeley and Google Brain Scientist Alejandro Escontrella designs models that extract data from YouTube videos. So they take the movements of animals, people or even other robots, and the robot decides what movements it think it can attempt itself, then tries to replicate what it watched on the videos in real life. Escontrella says it sometimes does so well it can fool other models. So if they're using a generative adversarial network, it can fool one of the judge models into thinking it's not even a robot. They demonstrated a four legged robot that learned to run like a German Shepherd. I showed it to my German Shepherd. She wasn't impressed yet yet. They're still working on it though. And a final method eliminates the need for a simulator. A lot of times you train machine learning in a simulator because you can do a lot of things you can't do in real life and you can do them over and over again. But they are able to with one of their algorithms just go straight to the real world floor and they had a four legged robot learn to walk with the real world trial and error method in around 10 minutes. So they just put it down on the ground and it stumbled around until it figured it out. You know, the first thing I thought about when and and we'll have a link to the video in our show notes. It's really worth watching. I kind of couldn't really get my head around what was going on. I thought the video explained it a lot better, but it reminds me of like teaching a little kid how to do something that they've never done before. It's like the little kid or you know someone of any age right you're learning something new. You watch something you watch that you observe somebody doing something and you go, I want to do that. Okay, can I do that? Now let's practice. Yeah. And that's exactly what they're doing with the robot. It's it's and because you've seen it and then you have a little instruction help. Tom, when we were talking about this earlier, you're like, Oh, yeah, it's like, you know, teaching a kid how to swing a baseball bat or something, you know, you might help them at first and then they get it. You know, what are your parents like, put your arms around you and then shows you like, here's how you swing and then you start to get it. Yeah, they literally did that with the robot picking up the cube. That was kind of crazy. Yeah, yeah. So that it makes a lot of sense because at first I was like, hold on now, Rob, let's just watch YouTube and then they can figure out how to do stuff. We were not too far off turns out. There is an extra step that's involved, at least in this particular research project. But wow, it's, it's, you know, it's getting closer all the time. It's essentially the matrix, right? Where basically Morpheus jacked in, they watched a bunch of videos and then he went into a practice room and then showed him how to fight. So yeah, and it's also the beginning of Skynet. So they won't even need us anymore. They can just watch our YouTube. They will need us to make the YouTube videos though. I mean, most of them are already probably already up there. It's like, imagine you forget and leave the room and you know that YouTube is autoplaying and all of a sudden the robot, you know, has watched like people falling off skateboards for the last 10 minutes. Then it gets weird. Yeah, you got to curate that material. There's a lot of really terrible stuff on YouTube too that we probably don't want them to know. Yeah, I think that that is fair to point out. They didn't just let the robots watch whatever they want. They didn't let the algorithm make recommendations. They were selecting specific things. And to Sarah's point, they were actually even removing parts of the videos so that the robots would, or the algorithms anyway, would have to figure out like, oh, how did it move from there to there? I'm going to learn that. And that's how it was able to. I am just guessing that there are already YouTube creators who are out there making content specifically for this, knowing that there is a new audience that is emerging for robots. And they're like, this is my market. I'm beginning here. And like figuring out what they cut out and saying, they're just going to make these videos for the robots. I mean, that's like, Get in touch with the guys at Cal there that did the study, right? Not even a joke. That's actually, imagine as more and more people are like, you know, a robot, you don't do that well. Watch this video. I'm telling you, I'm not kidding. There are already creators who are already like you, like you wait a couple days, you're already going to see those pop up for robots. Yeah, I know you have a million views, but it's all bots. Literally. Yeah, literally. There's just like, and androids hungry for more. Show me how to do the next thing. I'm ready. Exactly. So what is this bot to learn how to walk, but instead it made a birdhouse somehow. I don't know. Which is still cool. It's just not what I want. It's first it'll be the ones who are actually taking it seriously. And then there'll be the new troll ones. I'm just wondering what the CTR rate and the what like what ads going to show up on that right? Like, are you lonely robot? You know what I mean? Like there's a whole new whole new universe opening up right now. Would you like to accelerate your algorithm even more? Click here. I say we come back in 10 years and see where we are on this. Yeah. I know. Hopefully Robert's got it marked down already. He's already, he's already got it flagged. I'll be back in 10 years guys. We'll look at this again. Excellent. Thank you. 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I literally just got finished recording a video about that article that just came out and it's suspect a little bit in timing because Intel says that it's going to be doing it in the fall with the launch of their new Raptor Lake CPUs more than likely. And that consumer inflation in general, they don't expect to be anywhere near 20%. But when you think about building PCs, I mean, right now actually is an idyllic time to build PCs because everything is super cheap. And in fact, if you look across the board, Linus, myself, Jay, everybody is essentially telling people if you're going to, if you want to build a PC and you are okay with not getting the next gen stuff right now is the time because now it's at its cheapest. And the products are ripe to basically there's no shortages right now. Even in a lot of I think a lot of people are still thinking that GPU prices are inflated, that it's really hard to get components. And currently in the market, it's actually not. Yeah, we've talked about the fact before that that you can actually walk into a store and find GPUs on the shelves. Often at MSRP even. And below. Yeah, sometimes even below. So who is building a PC good for these days? Well, right now I think I'd say if you are in need, like if you want to upgrade, right, and you're hoping to get the latest gen like, and I'm saying that the latest that's starting to sunset here pretty soon, which is like 12th gen Intel, 5,000 series Ryzen, you know, 3,000 series Nvidia or 6,000 series AMD. Now is definitely the time and especially people who are in need of upgrades for a long period of time, people getting ready to go into school. Now is a good time because a lot of the next gen stuff is really kind of going to be about like 4k. And from a gaming standpoint and even a productivity standpoint, this current gen of hardware is actually really good. So if there's a need, now is actually the time. If there's, you know, and if you have a pretty good system and you feel like you don't need to wait, then I think you're going to you're going to need to bandage up that system for a while longer because prices are only going to get worse as we get into the fall as is availability. Strike while the iron's hot is what you're saying. Yeah. All right, well, let's talk a little bit about, you know, what goes into building a PC these days. We have a lot of folks have built PCs, but I know there's some of them say, you know, it's been a while. Start with the case. What are the current trends in case design? Well, it's funny because I sent this along. We were talking about is the current trend in cases. And I think this is the part that's been kind of cool about YouTube is especially in more recent probably in the last three to five years is that you've seen organizations like Gamers Nexus J and those guys who've done a good job of actually starting to make case manufacturers aware of what it is that consumers actually need. And that's and really so the trends like, you know, here we have like the fractal pop air. We've got the new case, the late Lee and Lee Landcool three that just released from late from Lee and Lee. You've got just a number of all of these cases and every single one of them are all about airflow at this point in time. So the real the trend is, is how do I still show off the really nice awesome RGB components while at the same time having the performance and the heat dissipation now. The heat dissipation necessary to make a PC that both looks good and performs well. And I think that's what you're seeing a lot of happening in trends nowadays. So and that's in like, even in the last like six cases that I just reviewed, it's airflow plus, you know, tempered glass, whatever. Gotcha. Let's talk a little bit about the components to starting with hard drives. What do people need to know about putting a drive in? You know, it's funny, I was looking at the show notes for that and you were one of the questions you guys kind of asked is like, you know, or SSDs out. And the thing was, is that, you know, there's been the advent of NVME SSDs, which are these very fast flash type drives that people have been going to. And, you know, it was funny, we were doing, I was, I was doing a stream yesterday. And one of our guys found a deal on a two terabyte SSD and the two terabyte SSD, which is the larger three and a half inch ones were more expensive than some two terabyte NVMEs. And an SSD only have like 550 megabits per second versus even the slowest NVME SSDs are like 3500. So most people are going to these smaller flash drives. And then really what physical, especially like big massive storage drives are really used for like storing cat memes or, you know, or pictures of your baseball hats or whatever it is, right? Like places that, you know, I don't necessarily want to pay for, you know, Google Drive or OneDrive or whatever it was. But I just want to have like some sort of local storage for that stuff is really kind of what you're seeing from the larger physical metallic, sorry, magnetic drives. But I feel like SSDs are going away and everybody's kind of transitioning to NVME SSDs for most of your like fast applications and game and application storage. Now, we were talking about building now because you might not be able to afford to build later. Should people jump on ray tracing GPUs? What's the best strategy there? Yeah, I think ray tracing is here to stay. I mean, to be honest, I mean, Intel just got finished doing with their arc. Everybody's into it. And, you know, all in all, like what it does for games. So I was a before I got into doing tech, I was a 20 year game developer. And, you know, being on the edge of ray tracing. So even for games that I worked on, whether that's age or halo or whatever it was, right? Like this is something that's here to stay in ray tracing is what you're seeing improvements. In fact, there was a leak yesterday about being able to play control at 160 frames per second with ray tracing on at 4k with the new 4000 series NVIDIA GPUs. Right. And again, AMD has been working with FSR and their their tech to make sure that you can also have ray tracing. So yes, I think ray tracing is a thing. I think if you're getting a new GPU, you're going to get that already. You just want to make sure that you stick with either 6000 series AMD or 3000 series NVIDIA. Don't do 2000 series or younger because, you know, all in all, that was like kind of the birth of the tech. And so 3000 and newer is much better. Gotcha. And then for CPUs, there's essentially parity right now between Intel and AMD. Everybody's got their opinion about which one they should go to first. What about you? Well, so if you're buying right now, 12th gen Intel is definitely the more powerful but more power hungry and heat hungry of the two. But we are so close to the release of 7000 series that I think people like there was a leapfrog unlike 11th gen and 5000 series 12th gen was actually there was an actual jump. So right now the current king, you know, for a couple months is 12th gen Intel with AMD probably leapfrogging there. And then of course, then Raptor Lake in October rumored after that. So we're in this really interesting time where you really can choose AMD and Intel. Parity is an interesting word like all in all, you're not going to be in bad shape, whichever you decide. They're both great. But if you want the most powerful 12th gen is currently considered the most powerful. Yeah, you just need a solar generator and you're fine. Yeah, a solar generator and an air conditioner. Yeah, exactly. Before we finish this up, what about parts? Where are your favorite places to tell people to go to find them? Well, I mean, honestly, at this point in time, they're still the same. And there's a new there's a new kid on the block a little bit because Best Buy, believe it or not, you can get parts from Best Buy. It's the only place to get Founders Edition 3000 series GPUs. But most of us still get them from a new egg, right? Even though we had the whole thing happen with Gamers Nexus, you know, it's still one of the best places just in the fact that they have the largest kind of breadth. And at the same time, some of the better prices. Amazon's always a good backup. It's just sometimes it's hard to want to give money to Jeff. Even though he's not there anymore, he still gets money from it. Yeah, somebody gets it. Yeah. Yeah, somebody gets it. And it's usually a lot. So it's, you know, push out some other boutique. And then new to the the other one that's kind of new is Gamestop. Gamestop has started selling not only not along with NFTs, but also PC parts and their prices have started to come down. But the two primaries are a new egg, Amazon. And then, of course, then you've got Best Buy there and a little bit of a third place. Fantastic. That's great information. Thank you so much, Justin. That's awesome. Oh, you're welcome. I can go now, right? That's it. Well, you're going to hear this next one. You have to listen to the future of airline travel, Justin. Man, I'm on a plane every week. So yeah, sure. Let's hear, let's hear about it. All right. So after a trial run back in 2015, Alaska Airlines announced it'll start rolling out free electronic bag tags to a group of 2,500 folks on its mileage plan elite. These are customers flying out of San Jose, California to start. So, you know, you have to be kind of a specific person, but 2,500 of you can get these for free. Instead of printing a tag at the airport, which can sometimes lead the bottlenecks happened to me just a couple of weeks ago with these new electronic tags. You check in on your phone as usual. You say you want to check a bag, then you hold your phone next to the tag. You transfer that data to the tag to display a barcode, kind of like how it would look if you printed it out on the built in eink display using your phone's NFC chip. The tags also have an RFID chip, which some airports already use for their automatic baggage system. So if the bag gets lost, we can track it down. After the initial 2,500 elite customers get their free tags, all mileage plan members on Alaska Airlines will be able to purchase these tags in early 2023, although the airline hasn't given a price for how much they'll cost you. All right. Sorry. Are you not entertained? Yeah, I'm just worried. Like I'm just like I just feel like I don't know if I would like safer. I travel with a lot of expensive camera gear. I do not want to put something that can be written like or overwritten. You know what I mean? I know it's a plastic thing and there's there's some some bag of channeling. But man, I just, I don't know, like there's been some really interesting videos that those robots have made about NFC, you know, about about near field communication. Right. Like, I don't know that that could be interesting. Yeah, I would I would want to know a lot more about their security. Because I'm comforted that it's a ink, right? Because I'm not worried that this is going to like suddenly just lose power, right? Works without power. So that's a great choice. It's very stable. Unless someone tries to change it, right? I'm I'm granted you have to have physical access. It's probably not something that most of us have to worry about. But if you are a high value target, like, you know, somebody carrying known valuable equipment around, you might not want to deal with this. It's not like you can't go modify paper tags to but I'm with you. I would like to be comforted that this is going to have better security than a paper tag and not not eat less. I hate to be that guy. Like it's like I know it's like I love cool new tech, but it just it felt like that was the first thing went in. There's like, I don't think I would put this on my bag with like, you know, $20,000 in camera gear on it, right? But, you know, there's there's, you know, there's something about when somebody's trying to play change a paper tag, you know, they're bending over. But there's just sometimes there's the ability, right? Like just do it wirelessly. Technologically. And yeah, you don't even know something has happened. I don't know. And I think it's rad, though. I think it's not so much about it being picked up by the wrong person at the carousel because that could happen anyway. Right. Check those tags. It's about like having it routed somewhere that you could then run a scam or something like that. I mean, but it's cool to see, right? I mean, I was excited at first, but then, you know, I started going down the dark, the dark world of, you know, just, hey, not my stuff. It would take a lot to make it get routed to a place that if you are not already an employee who could steal it anyway, that that would be advantageous. So maybe it's not as bad as we're thinking, but it does give me it does give me pause. I will. Yeah. All right, let's check out the mailbags there. Yeah, let's do it. This one was one of our patrons David sent us a note about the company gated's idea for reducing spam by making spammers donate to charity in order to reach your email inbox talked about it yesterday. David says, I work for a medium sized nonprofit. Perhaps a funny way to use gated would be to earmark your own nonprofit, and then use the system across corporate email. So I hope this doesn't just move the bottleneck to where it has that validate thing Tom that Tom mentioned as the alternative to pain. In other words, a script spammers right just fills that in with their junk fishing, etc, etc. David says, I do think it would eliminate a ton of spam just by round Robin approach since I can see a situation where the origin from line is spoofed. I assume that's still a thing. Yeah, totally is still a thing. I don't want to know that verification procedure. I can't imagine it's easy to get around or the whole gated system would just not be worth it and people are signing up for it. So I just need to find out how that works. I can't sign up for it because the place is swamped. But I love this idea of a nonprofit going, wait, we can get people to have to donate it to us to get into our email. That's amazing. Let's do it. Well done, David. Good, good thinking. Also, good thinking from you, Justin Roby. And thanks for being with us today and bringing the knowledge. Let folks know where they can keep up with all that you do. Oh, yeah. Well, it's actually pretty easy. It's at Robitech absolutely everywhere. Instagram, TikTok, YouTube, Roby, Twitch. So the good thing is I got actually got it everywhere. So which is always good to go. So yeah, we, we, we live stream builds almost every day. And then you can always catch YouTube videos that come out on our second channel pretty much once or twice or three times a week. Plus, TikTok content, Instagram content and all that stuff as well. Very cool. I want to give a special thanks to one of our lifetime supporters, top lifetime supporters. Matt Thompson is, is who we're thanking today. Thank you for all the years of support with us. And thanks for being part of the team, Matt. 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