 Good day gopher and Archie and the bbs's and prodigy and comp you serve and The entire well the well soul asylum fans. Yeah, that's all asylum a news group is pretty hopping right now Welcome to our October 1992 Good day internet. We will be doing our October edition of Daily Tech news show in just a few minutes Although I've got a I've got to Do a little research here before we get started. Ah, yes forget that the election because I'm also covering the election for Channel 2 here in Urbana So I really do need to Brush out. I'm getting ready for JC After after this weekend. So we just had our mock election in second grade and you know It was really an interesting look and kind of the the tribalism that can develop but even amongst the youngsters Tykes my own age. Well, I really early returns So it was looking pretty pretty strong in favor of mr. Clinton It's not too surprising. It's you know, it's predominantly kind of a Irish Catholic neighborhood So, you know pretty pretty strong democratic area then that area Well, I just got my driver's license. Oh, congratulations. Thank you. Thank you. I was so worried I was gonna fail But I passed first. All right Did you use that workaround that I heard every all your friends were DMV Yeah, there's a there's a big DMV in Santa Rosa But I've heard that that one's harder for the behind-the-wheel test than the Petaluma DMV I went to the Petaluma and my mom drove me and and and and we used the Ford tourists and and I passed with Let's not call it flying colors, but I passed. I I am ashamed to admit. I did not pass my first time This I had a female Evaluated and she was very strict about My speeds are rather lack thereof Saying that they would actually be a hindrance to traffic and possibly cause an accident because you were going too slow Yeah, I was kind of cruising at 10 miles an hour Was a nice safe speed Not safe. She was right in the residential zone. I think it's pretty safe But she did not she agreed with you apparently The great thing about California DMVs is they don't test parallel parking anymore I'm really dreading that in like nine years. It's gonna be It just terrifies me, you know, I mean I have a 1984 Mustang, but it's just it's just parked I mean, I just barely drive it here. I Could walk to anything I need to my brand new cars in 1984 Honda Civic hatchback Yeah, I mean Eight years old. It's not bad. No Hey, I'm just happy to have a set of wheels My my set of wheels is my dad's truck that he got this summer past summer is a great. It's a great GMC SL e-trim 1500 halftime You know, it's interesting say you mentioned the the Civic hatchback You know, I'm really I've really been impressed with the quality that Honda's putting out You know, I think you know one day maybe one of those Japanese automakers will you know I have one of the best-selling cars in America. I mean, it'll be a weird day, but I mean, they already own most of America. Yeah Radios, this is the thing though. Like at least with at least in California a lot of the four by four guys Drive Toyota's Well, if you remember and back to the future, what was Marty McFly's dream car, right? Wasn't it a true? It was a dream of is an extra cab Pickup all the way back in 1985 if you can believe it. I don't know It's where time is moving by so fast. I mean, listen before you know, it's gonna be the year 2000 Isn't that crazy? Imagine what we'd all be doing like We still in the Cold War. Oh Yeah, I'll be 15. Oh, you don't see movies like back to the future enough I mean, I went and saw reservoir dogs That new movie that's just out and it's intense rich you should definitely not see Yeah, my my parents are Not fans. I have to say Bob Roberts was pretty funny. I liked that one I I'm a fan of movies that are very whimsical but very high adventure Like Disney's The Rocketeer, which is based which is based on the comic book but at the same time I'm kind of very Skeptical of the cash grabs like the Dick Tracy movies where they try to insert a lot of big-name stars like Warren Beatty and Madonna Into a project that probably not That that movie did cause me to want to be referred to as dick for a while But for some reason my dad Well, he was just so cool. He had a tommy gun. There was a kid that wanted to eat all the time Um, you know the last movie I went to that I really enjoyed was alien 3. Oh It's got to be it's not nearly as good as alien or it's it's a Winona Ryder movie and it's like Winona Ryder I don't consider her sci-fi material, but It was all right. I say it's all right now. I assume rich you went and saw Tom and Jerry the movie You know what? I don't I don't approve of the even an animated form of violence I find it to be Just like big Tracy and this time you get real Okay, I don't need it. They're not trying to mix messages here I can understand that real people real, but that's a cat. I own a cat That's all folks. I got my mouse pad dusted off. It's time to talk computers Did you take the ball out and blow into it? Yeah. Yeah, okay? I don't pop it in careful those things still are like 80 bucks. I don't want to don't want to damage it You know, I want to keep it going as long as I can Well, is everybody ready then? Yes. All right. Yeah Got my gateway Ready to go. All right Well given a second here to roll the cassette that we'll be using to mail to make the dubs and here we go Thanks to everyone who supports independent tech news directly you can mail your checks to the address at daily tech news show comm slash support This is the Daily Tech news for October 1992 in Urbana, Illinois. I'm Tom Merritt and in Sebastopol, California. I'm Sarah Lane in Cleveland, Ohio Just finishing Mrs. Given second grade homework. I'm rich Drafalino and from California's wonderfully productive Central Valley and the show's producer Roger Once a month, we try to keep you up-to-date on all the daily Events in the world of technology and today as usual we start with a few tech headlines. You should know Rich start us off Absolutely, Tom Robert Callum at the New York Times profiled the rise of fax mail services from telecom providers similar to voicemail fax mail allows for documents to be collected electronically with the ability to send a more than one party Simultaneously and attach voice messages as well. So you kind of get the best of both worlds AT&T introduced the service on September 9th with Bell Atlantic US West and a Maratek very useful in my neck of the woods Offering fax mail in selective markets fax mail boxes increased to 60,000 installed on the year with an estimated 600,000 installed by 1994 it's definitely the 90s cost very by provider but can run to about 70 cents per page Before regular monthly subscription costs. So I guess the question is is this the tech that's really going to make telecommuting Feasible for you know wider audiences. What do we think? I? Like the idea of being able to you know instead of bringing a memo over to you I could I could just send it to you through the fax You pick it up just like you would out of an inbox And it could liberate us from having to all be in the same location. It's the cost though I mean, this is an enterprise only situation here 70 cents a page That is not something I'm going to be using for small businesses much less consumers well if they can do it so you can pick and choose because Over at my place. We still get a lot of junk faxes, you know like from from vendors You just send coupons that will never use and really I don't want to waste the toner on printout stuff And the ability to send more than one party simultaneously is part of this right? I mean that that can be abused You know, I like faxes, but man, you're still stuck using that paper and using that heat transfer ink It's just I don't know they really need to improve the printing for me because you know, I it's great Yeah, I mean not everybody can afford a couple thousand dollars for a laser printer much less making them into to fax mail systems Hey, I'm putting out there what I think the market would demand You know because listen, we're moving beyond 46, you know in a short while So I think technology for faxes can can catch up just a little bit just a little bit But I think it's really interesting to see that kind of investment and to see you know that rapid growth I mean shows that there is a pent up demand there, right? I think that's to me was what was really impressive there I mean in 91 we saw I think it was 20 the report said 20,000 We're installed variety of 60,000 so it's growing 300 percent with you know, growing tenfold over the next two years I think when we see that volume increase we have a you know a relatively competitive At least regionally, you know kind of telecom landscape here I don't think we're going to be seeing you know a lot of these big telecoms coming together So maybe we'll see enough competition in the space that if we see this taking off in massive amounts We see large organizations taking them on that, you know, maybe you know, maybe this this could be feasible I would be interesting if you could take this digital storage Which is kind of the innovation that Robert Callum is writing about here and combine it with electronic mail Like I imagine if if you didn't even have to print it out on that paper that Roger's talking about and you could just You could just pass the memo Electronically super but that would require everybody to have a computer You're gonna need major telecom to standardize this right we're never it right now electronic mail, you know, it's a total Disparate landscape where you have so many different standards out there I feel like you're gonna need the big telecoms to really you know make make make this part of a phone It's the same as a phone call it's the same as a fax You don't have to worry about your fax machine being compatible at least if you're in the US So right some some kind of common carrier type situation Where everybody allows everybody's documents and and memos to to be sent to each other no matter what exactly? Well novelist Orson Scott card just published his last column for compute magazine I know for the last four years He's been writing game reviews and also giving a lot of criticism for the publication So in his last column is kind of interesting He calls out the game industry for being overly competitive and Carter argues that art creates its own audience And it's just like novels or movies video game success isn't a zero-sum ecosystem So I want to send it out to all of you here on our panel. What do we think of of card? equating video games with art. Do we consider them arts? it's You know, it's one of those things that I Faked me equated to sports is sports art. Yeah, it's an activity and it's something that people can be good at It's a skilled thing, but is it in of itself art now someone can be an artistic player But is the game? It's you know, does it have the emotive does that mean an artistic player? What you can play the way art then how is the player artistic? Have you seen a very Sanders run? Watch it. It's beautiful. It's poet. It's ballet Hello, I'll take Walder Peyton any day still But I'm it's not like we're gonna be you know Copywriting and dance that was made in a video game or anything. Let's not go crazy here But you know, I would say that the many video games are whoever made the sky the color it is and and and and the The path the way If you're a fan of the text adventure game popularized by infocom whether it's Zork Wishbringer the one I just got most recently was Starfall Amazingly well-written prose and it's a game. So in fact the the company calls it interactive fiction, right? They don't call it a game. They call it interactive that's been around for a long time though But I mean is that the so so my question though is could that not be part of the argument that we do Gaming could be considered art. I don't think Zork is the is the best example. I mean, it's so old Take something more current games that I'm playing right now civilization Sid Meier civilization a brand new game that is Impressive because it kind of takes the greatness of text adventure But pairs it with strategy In a way that you you couldn't do in just a text adventure because you have the map there and you know You're actually creating worlds from from from bare bones or sim city Which is a new game that that allows you to run a city to simulate a city I I don't know if I would call those art. They're they're almost science But then when you bring up things like zork and heritage games like that It does make me think there's something similar to books And in civilization sometimes I feel like I'm I'm writing world history. So I don't know maybe there is an argument What about the argument that uh, you know, this is this is not a zero-sum game You know, we're less than a decade out from the big video game crash. I have a magnavox, uh, odyssey 2 sitting in my basement I still love it. But you know, you could argue a lot of those people thought it was a zero-sum game Yeah, uh, I I just I disagree that it's too competitive. I I think Competitivity competition really does allow the art to to To become vibrant, uh, but I think I see what or since Scott card is is warning us about is that if we Overcommercialized video games will lose what made them great which Yeah, oh no, which I just which is the fan base Commodore announced the amiga a4000 its first major release since the a3000 back in 1990 Which it hopes can compete against the apple quadriline and other ms dos alternatives The a4000 comes with a slot installed 25 megahertz motorola 68040 cpu up to 16 megabytes of 32 bit ram And amiga's new advanced architecture graphics chips The latter improves on the a3000's 4096 color palette with true 24 bit color support up to 16.7 million Colors and up to 256 different colors on the screen regardless of the resolution The a4000 comes with amiga dos 3.0 with read write compatibility for ms dos Post script printer support and the ability to customize sounds and background images pricing starts at 4100 dollars I Love our amiga a channel too. It's what we use for our our kairons. It's not a kairon It's it's an amiga when we put up our our lower thirds and our graphics on screen And the fact that it can do so much Is great. The problem is you really have to learn it to make it do What it can do. I don't know if just adding more power is what amiga needs to stay competitive So this is this has always been kind of my argument against amiga. I love their products I think they make wonderful devices and if you are a video toaster fiend it is a very superlative product Oh, it's fantastic. Yeah, um, the problem is that their architecture was always an odd Compromise between cost and what they wanted to do. So this you know, it's the reason why with with With the original amiga The os yet the original chipset you're stuck with chip ram and slow ram Why you have like a mismatch between the the graphics controller as well as timing for the cpu bus I mean, there's just a lot of things and It was okay back in the 80s when you know, you kind of had to go through those Uh hardware workarounds because the software wasn't there yet But I mean if they can really standardize their architecture that would entice developers to produce more software for amiga Which has always been kind of their their their failing point. I mean, uh, even apple has, you know, lotus one two three And microsoft word on their platform. You don't have anything comparable on the amiga and you bring up apple There's another failing company That could use a boost and it's so good at desktop publishing You think it could do things like multimedia, but it just isn't good. Well, but you know, it's kind of an inverse story there because right now All I see are apple devices. We have, uh, you know, apple two e's out the wazoo over at our lady of angels All right, that's that's basically what we use every single day. I think we have like one macintosh Tucked away in the corner. So at least apple has, you know, it whereas, you know, amiga has this multimedia, you know Kind of niche really nailed down apple has this education market But I think it's it might be an easier pull if the if you know, they can ever really Kind of nail down and and really solidify their product line I think it's easier to go from education out Then it is necessarily from this multimedia kind of specialized thing and taking that to a wider market What really though makes me mad with this a4000 is it's a little bit of a mixed message, right? You have all these fantastic graphics capabilities. You have this really cutting-edge 68 40 motorola cpu, which is really awesome It's card-based. You can swap those out, um, which is really cool and you know upgrade your cpu. No problem But here's what they did they cheaped out and they're switching over to ide for their storage instead of I know I disagree. I disagree. That is a smart move If you commoditize the parts that make up your machine, you can lower the cost All right, commodore has always been in a weird position where ever since the commodore 64 They've been seen as a home computer and therefore more of an entry-level budget type device The amiga 4,000 a4000 isn't that right? It's designed to be a problem I think the amiga is a an enterprise device. It is a business device But it's run by a company But it's run by a company with a c64 mentality, right? There's nothing wrong with the machine I think it has to do with it needs more accessibility and I guess you make a good point about ide Providing more accessibility, but they're not doing enough of those sorts of things So i'm kind of with rich that it's a mixed message. This is that's what i'm saying So it either needs to be A $2,500 machine that appeals to a mass market. This doesn't appeal to the mass market at this price anyway Oh, and this is the thing this is this is going to be Commodores, you know make it or break a device if they don't make it a breakout hit That company's gone. They're just it's i'm telling you folks I see one amiga in my life. It's at the tv station. I see some max in my life They're all in the labs at university of illinois when I look at what's on my desktop What's on my friends desktops? It's ibm ps2 32 86 it's it's windows compatible computers I think that's just the writing on the wall pc clones are the future mark my words It's the smartest thing ibm ever did Or rich tell us the next one Well, you know the amiga may be the past but the new york times is a story Looking at the future of digital music pacific Microsonics has developed a new audio standard called high definition compatible digital designed to make audio quality sound more authentic While maintaining compatibility with existing compact disc and digital tape players HD cd would use both an encoder used at the time of audio recording and a decoder for playback for best results It was developed by keith johnson and michael flaumer With hd cd using 20 bit samples at a much higher frequency than typical cds which record at 16 bit and 4400 uh, i'm sorry, uh, 44 kilohertz HD cd uses on-the-fly signal analytics and storage to fit it on a standard capacity audio cd So we're not dealing with entirely new optical format here pacific microsonics plans to have pre-production devices to engineers for evaluation by early 1993 And a home decoder on the market in 12 months Um, I don't know about you. I don't have a cd player in the house. Um, still, uh, you know I still got my sister act soundtrack on cassette that i'm really enjoying right now Um, so, you know, this is this is kind of a lost argument But for you know, you adults with all of your fancy compact discs. Is there something that's being lost there? I honestly this is just uh the 90s version of quadrophonic sound something that might appeal to uh very niche listeners, but I don't think is a broad-based consumer product. It's gonna actually you know, have much traction Yeah, I only have a cassette player in my car And I use one of those Those those things that you plug into the cassette so that I can use my my compact disc player and put it on the passenger seat And I think the sound is fine I just can't I can't imagine that that most people really understand what 44 one kilohertz means I mean most people go to pacific stereo and get like the budget speakers I mean, you know, you get your little entry level shelf system and you're done So I don't think most people have a setup to appreciate it. Anyway I have a pioneer cd player. Uh, I got it in 1987 Uh, it still works great Uh, I don't have a problem with hdcd. I think it's I think they're rolling it outright Meaning that existing cd and digital tape players would would still have compatibility Even though even if you wouldn't get the full Range of sound out of it. So go ahead make some hdcd's if they're the same price Then I'll buy them and maybe someday I'll upgrade my cd player and take advantage of it But I'm not going to go out and replace a perfectly good working cd player Just to get this especially when I don't know exactly what cds are I mean, I just got done replacing my cassettes with cds, right? I don't want to spend to replace my CDs are ridiculously expensive because 25 bucks a pop You know, I bought the latest rem album and I'm done for the month on my you know spending The one thing I'm really glad there was at least they did kill the big tall box for cds Finally, uh, so you just see little cases. I know that that that's just a retail Here's here's the question I have though. Do people really care that much about sound quality because hear me out Everyone agrees vinyl sounds really great, right? It's warm. It doesn't have the you know This digital coolness that we hear audio files complain about cds about but here's the thing since 1983 LP revenue has made up a minority of music sales last year. It made up just 1.2 percent of all music revenue It took over cd is going to take over from tape at some point when the cost comes down a little bit and I I think the bigger argument here is that yeah, can like convenience always will beat sound quality having a little sound quality is great, but I think there's an upper limit to that and also Also Cassettes are still the way we can make mix tapes if I want to record something off the radio And put songs in order that's not just one single album that I'm buying from a particular artist or group I can't do that on a cd. So yeah cds are great and everything, but they do seem like the you know, it's it it might be a A technical phenomenon that that that goes away eventually listen at wpg you where I still do a music shift We have about 70 percent of our library on cd when I started there Four years ago It was less than 50 percent I it is just the wave and the vinyl keeps moving out of the broadcast booth and into the library And it's just filling up the program director's office that used to be my office now We did a an rem record release not too long ago at record record bar and There there were cheers when one person bought a vinyl cup copy at the release, right? Everyone was buying cds in cassettes It's just the way Yeah, I don't know I Oh go ahead Oh go ahead Roger. Oh, no, I was just saying r.m. I love that just bought on math for the people Yeah, I mean I heard dr. Drey is going to come out with a solo album at the end of the year I don't know that would be pretty cool though. That's a cool tip Yeah, ibm launched a new product line with the release of the ibm think pad 700c This is a pretty cool notebook guys It marks a major leap for ibm's portable computer efforts with dos pre-installed The 700c starts at $4,000 and comes with a 25 megahertz 486 sle cpu eight megabytes of ram And a 120 megabyte hard desk most impressively Yes, there's more the 700c has a market leading 10.4 inch dti color display All in a 7.6 pound 2.25 inch thick package So it's very very thick connectivity includes an internal modem Serial parallel vga and mouse ports although sadly no pc m CIA So do we think this whole sleek small portable device computer? Futuristic type thing that you can take with you on the go is going to be the new business standard I wish I had leftover money from my student loans To fund us like someday the idea that I could have a computer this powerful just That I could carry around It's it's just fascinating every once in a while, you know, I'll be on a plane I don't get on them that often But but when I do, you know, I see these business people with their with their portables and it blows my mind I mean, it wasn't that long ago that a portable meant suitcase, right? It had a handle and the keyboard was the top of the case that you carried around and now At the display Yeah color Color I know monochrome Right in that color, but I have a color. I have a big bulky crt How do you get a 10.4 inch dti color display and keep it to 7.6 pounds? Well, and on top of all of that This is a designed object, right? I think we're all used to kind of the luggables I mean you look at IBM's previous efforts in this regard, you know, you look at your n33 that they're released in Japan You look at their l40 These are you know, these are luggables. You're not going to be able to set these You know, you're going to need a full desk to set these on anyway. Yeah, it's great You can transport them, you know to the conference room you can transport them, you know, wherever you need to go You can take it home on the weekend. That's great. This is something that, you know, theoretically you could I don't know open up and start typing on an airplane imagine, you know of all things so I think That this is it's not just that it's it's small. It's not just that it only weighs 7.6 pounds It's that it's this particularly designed object the lines are sharp It I mean and and when it's all folded up. It's this a perfect little wrecking It looks kind of like the the monolith 2001, right? I mean, we'll see that in a briefcase. Yeah It doesn't have to have a separate case Guys, what's so amazing about this is you could just use this as your main computer You don't need another computer. How crazy is that? I mean, but who's got $4,000? I was gonna say if I spent $4,000 on a main computer, it would be much more powerful than this Well, yeah, but I mean come on You wouldn't need another computer, right? You get you you break up with your wife. You give the alimony I am salivating that's that's all I can say. I guess I guess the big question here is do we do we think we're going to see other Uh, uh, computer manufacturers follow in this kind of design aesthetic, right? I mean, this is like a high design They'll try but they won't be as good The goal is to get something that's kind of like it But you know what? I don't care if it drops the price to $3,000. What a bargain Hey folks, if you want to get the tech headlines we talk about each month Every day be sure to check out our news group alt daily tech news and you can get the the links to the news items And and and and get them all available. We'll even discuss them a little so we'll see you on the use net CD roms You may have seen them. They're like compactists for music But they go in a computer as long as your computer has a CD ROM drive That's something we didn't see in the think pad, right? That's something you got to have a desktop for The pros of CD roms 650 megabytes of data capacity. So that's a lot more than you can fit on a floppy disk You get cd quality audio Because it's a cd you can put cd quality audio on it something less susceptible to being erased accidentally You're not going to have magnets erase your cd ROM on the other side. They're pricey They are certainly not cheap. They're slow compared to your hard drive actually a little faster than a floppy though So it's it's a halfway between a pro and a con there currently scuzzy only for the drives Which is a complicated interface for non macintosh machines And there's really not any software out just yet for the home consumer to take advantage of probably good for games Reference things like edutainment software What do you think of cd roms you guys? well with the capacity you mentioned uh something that's along the lines of An encyclopedia where there's just a ton of information that you can access easily like you mentioned tom You need a desktop computer because who's you know got a mobile Computer that would have a cd rom drive. Nobody has that But uh, but yeah, I could I could see uh some use cases where there's a ton of information That you're able to store easily right because they're so thin once you have them at home and And and yeah, imagine all of the information that you could access It's it's definitely has a big toe in the waters of archival Media right if you want to do the big encyclopedia britannica You could cram it on one of these and you could still have space You could still have space to put videos little movies and things on it You want to learn about like, you know dolphins a little picture of them swimming around Uh, you want to know how like I don't know macarthur talked When he accepted to japanese surrender you could get a little clip of that that would be amazing What about video? I mean, I I I know that multimedia is is a big advantage of this because of the space on there You can actually have A little bit of video. I'm not not talking about something that will rival a vhs tape But but you know for reference stuff for edutainment like like you could you could show a short snippet Of world war two documentary footage friends. We've got the tv strapped to the cart tom with the vcr underneath We're good. We don't need this. I'm skeptical. Okay. Yeah, the capacity is great 650 megabytes Sure, that's great. Um, how about some access time? Okay, I'm gonna be in the next millennium by the time you find any data on that 650 megabyte thing You're talking about 500 milliseconds. That's like all I mean you can perceive that that is perceptible You can count that out 500 milliseconds isn't incredibly long amount of time to access any kind of information on these They're not I mean then those are for the state of the art cd romps that we have right now They're even slower months and they're all cpu bound So if you're gonna be, you know, hooking this up to anything that's anything less than a state of the art You know brand new, uh, you know 486 or something like that You're gonna be waiting forever for this access time as opposed to something, you know, don't be wrong Hard disk very expensive. Obviously you can't do anything but even a floppy You're you're gonna be seeing lower access times. What I think Is going to be the future is something that we've seen these so-called floptical disc. Have you seen these from inside? Yes, you know optical uh technology. We're talking, you know, they're already shipping these they were shipping them last year 21 megabytes of storage. It's not 650. Okay. All right No, not even close But it's a lot more than a floppy And it's democratic and this is my bigger problem with cds. This is a publisher's tool, right? This isn't something that's you know, really, you know, harkens back to I to I think what really the true Spirit of a lot of of what makes computing interesting for a tyke like me Is something that you can you can share, you know, cds. I can't share anything with that That's you know, yeah, I can sure I can give the disc to somebody else But yeah, he's somebody could put it in the room I can't have a book you can't share a book either But that doesn't make books bad. These are the new books All right, I think the time magazine already has an operation desert storm cd rom. It's like instant history reference There's the britannica family choice cd rom. So instead of buying a huge Tome of you know 32 volumes one slim cd now gives the family the access to the britannica. This is huge I'm not saying that I don't want cds at all I'm saying they are fundamentally way less interesting than some of these Upgrades to floppies which by the way are backwards compatible. So you you still have the same looking drive there You have all your floppies. You can use your six floppies install windows 3.1 or whatever you want to do And you know, then you just get that added capacity as opposed to this very specialized and I agree with you Roger when you mentioned, you know kind of this archival Uh situation here because with those access times it's more similar to tape than not I'm going to say this. This is a good first step. I do not think this is going to be the end in of itself I do believe magneto optical technology will will come along the biggest Drawback is you can't write to right the read only that's where the rom comes in in the cd rom I think people will demand a technology you can write to in the same way or hard drives can be written to The same way floppies can be written to I think I think we're just beginning to we're starting the the nascent evolution of this technology And eventually we're going to come on to an optical technology that we can write to And use in place of a floppy disk like you could you just take it like that like The you know steeve jobs Uh has been rumored to be working on a machine that allows Uh that very thing where they eliminate the floppy drive And so isn't he washed up Hey, you know, it's not about steeve. It's about these technology Like we're living in a golden period of technology. All these things are coalescing together Yeah, but you can't just eliminate a floppy drive. That's what everybody still has you can't just say We'll know our machines don't have the floppy drive Some people no one would buy it. I mean what what I'm more interested in what the next You know, we went from five and a quarter to three and a half. What's the next floppy drive? What's the higher capacity that I can use to to save and store my data? It's called floppy town. Yeah, maybe it is optical. It's going to be optical Well, thanks to everybody who participates in our news groups. You guys are the best You can submit stories and vote on them at alt dot daily tech news You can also look for our posts on gopher and by the way A small group of us in sabbastopol get together at coffee cats every saturday To uh to sort of share news items and yell at each other. I mean until we could I don't know be some sort of a Let's call it a social network on You know the bbs in any way that made sense. You still got to do it in person Yeah, we we do something very similar at trinos over in urbana. So check us out there Thanks to rich truffleino for being a second grader. You are very well versed in technology Tell folks where they can keep with up with you after school gets out Well, you can come to my first communion in may that's going to be a blast But you can also find me on any potential Networks that may exist at mr. Anthropology mr. Anthropology There will be there's a sega tassanchiro gift going on right there So whenever christmas comes have a merry one. 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Yes, I want to want to feel a little nostalgic Yes, but I have it's a rubik's cube. Oh, that's so cute Yeah, I mean rubik's cube was I think I had one in the early 80s. Yeah, and I took all the stickers off and then read And then I was like to my mom. I was like, look I did it and she was like Yeah, I was just digging around at the stuff and I found this whole thing. Uh, that's great The rubik's cube that that's one of those things that's infuriating. I can't get it. I can't do it I can do it if I look up the directions in my solve the rubik's cube book that I got at walden books That's the only way I could I can solve two sides. So that's that's where it ends I have two brothers who are attention deficit. So those aren't welcome in our house. Oh, I see. Yeah Well, uh, thanks everybody. I got to get back to uh to reading my uh election resources here. Um, but uh Thanks everybody for for joining us. Um, yeah, there's a new episode of batman the animated series It's about to come on and yeah, I do not want to miss that. I'm hearing a play face All right, we'll see you guys later. Bye. I'm going to vana concert. See you. Happy Halloween. All right, watch