 Jiri Johnson is back with us today and of course he is standing by to give us his expert opinion on the New Super Headlines. He is a senior lecturer at the Nigerian Institute of Journalism. Jiri Johnson, good morning to you and thank you very much for your time. Good morning Kofi and good morning to all our viewers all over the world that are here, our voices and good morning to all the world that are here in Nigeria presently where there's no fuel and there's no power even if you have the gen to power the gen you need fuel so it's just the way it is. Jiri Johnson people are what I see every people are queuing queue on the roads for hours from the previous night and so I have to stay for hours the next day just to get fuel if you want to buy in your jerry can last person I sent spent the whole day just to get a keg of petrol it's something we hope we won't see again in in the near future. Let's start off with look at the stories coming from the nation newspaper the big one the NNPCL marketers defer or over lingering petrol scarcity so I think it's a case of whose report will you believe we'll get details of that as you go on PDP G5 governors won't bow to intimidation I thought that they had been expanded to G6 with Umahi including himself in that group unanimously more from the nation can to Nigerians vote your conscience the paper is saying that the group is saying probably they won't I'm waiting to tell Nigerians who to vote for uh court sanctions or sustains rather injunction stopping Nigeria air takeoff African teams in sloppy walk-up start a delicacy our sac permanent secretaries inaugurated by oh yeah taller and we can see a picture of the our progressives congress presidential candidate Shivaji Bola there in on a campaign trail this time was in a Boeing state the headline under that picture terrible our review policies hindering commerce in the southeast all right so that's uh uh one there from the nation let's go over to the next one the punch on friday with the following headlines election result transmission beware of fraud opposition warns inek apc recants beware of fraud opposition warns inek apc recants electoral commission under pressure of a beavers pdp apc has had an agenda on 2023 elections labor party alleges i'm concerned about poor telecoms network says adamu all right uh court stops nigeria air indefinitely adjourns case till october 23 reps worry over fg china 475 million dollar deal uh what we wonder if the worry is a worry for the good of nigeria and so something else that we can't see right now uh i don't know economic downturn hits manufacturers oil service firms and picture of the finance minister there um you know beside that headline northern apc christian leaders divided over presidential candidates marked as one of possible petrol price increase increase uh we can see a picture of queues and the suffering that people out there having to go through through nigeria to get just a liter or a few liters of petrol um sustain their lives three days to hand over a tola points 30 permanent secretaries secretaries and i'm sure that explains what the nation said that uh delicacies he will he will suck them um kidnappers in army uniform docked legos passengers pro begins and talking about that there was also an incident in pohacot yesterday uh where kidnappers kidnapped uh someone they were in army camouflage and shot three policemen security details in a convoy dead on top the new rumokoro flyover really sad impeachment you're misinformed by us lawmakers tell akiti s a n we move on from the punch and let's go to leadership on friday leadership has the following headlines apc a muslim muslim ticket do gara achuba six others disowned barbacha over support for ubi all right and that's a member of the party who has taken a different move about doga is one of the christian northness in the apc achuba as well all right um they're saying he can't speak for the group uh to make position public soon we can't force anyone to support our candidate labor party uh tico ten will take campaign to quara eboyin if g destroys a 3000 seized weapons pmb six regional cooperation on terrorism trans border crimes dss withdraws case against tukur mamu uh i hope you all remember uh tukur mamu this is the um uh the the publisher of the desert herald the one who has been you know interfacing between uh negotiating on behalf of the kidnapped victims those were kidnapped in that abu jaconda bound train uh kata 2022 after first round of matches african teams yet to win we're satisfied with dango tate's performance in csr it's according to reps some the headlines on the front page of the leadership friday and final paper the guardian very quickly a decline in all gas output hampers growth amid recession fears declining oil and gas output hampers growth amid recession fears after the floods picking bits pieces of ruined investments livelihood or livelihoods big story uh on pages four and five of the guardian i'm sure to make for an interesting read and a very good one by the paper at the bottom of that front page you can see in red it might not be too bold on your screen but i read it out pdp c upp others slam adam over deployment of be vast uh some interesting things going down as far as elections are concerned let's quickly go over to our guest um jillie johnson i will start with the big one on the front page of the the guardian um we have a decline in oil and gas output in the country uh the paper is saying prevailing economic challenges as reflected in the business environment rising inflation uh which is further compounded by poor oil production in the last three months uh have undermined nigeria's economy economy uh so official figures show that gross domestic product grew by 2.25 percent so jillie johnson uh some people have always said especially expects in this field this is a time nigeria should be ripping in a lot from oil and gas especially but we can't surpass well and when you don't keep your house in order you have this kind of situation we don't even know the amount of produce that are lifted that are producing my jillian and the amount of food that are lifted out of my jillian so there's no picture you have the nigeria is a product economy we rely solely on oil all of our revenue is from all our foreign exchange and in most of foreign exchange and comes from oil and you have a situation whereby there's no proper coordination there's no proper supervision of that industry the president with all our offices is also the minister of petrol minister of petroleum resources in nigeria at the same time n npc operate as as as a sovereign entity within the nigerian state it cannot be questioned it doesn't even render its account so you don't have a full picture of what goes on in that particular in that particular industry so you have this type of situation whereby we should have cash in on what is going on in russia and ukraine what the opportunity it provided you recall in 1991 the gov the gov the gov crisis a iran kuit a iraq kuit crisis we benefited from it every time there is a global crisis that led to the increase in price of petroleum product we have always benefited from it with the exception of what is really happening now and then if you also go back to a lingering issue which no one has been able to find answers to with respect to whether we piece of city or we don't piece of city on a petroleum product there's never been any definite answer to that effect so that particular industry which is the ministry of nigerian economy is the more you look the less you see the more you try to understand the more confused you are i'm not even sure anybody in in in government who plays a lead on what is really going on in that sector and once your economy the centerpiece of your economy is oil and gas and if that oil and gas which is the foundation is not a stable foundation it's a disruptive foundation if you have a disruptive effect on the entire economy and that's what we we are we are witnessing that's what we are witnessing we are witnessing with respect to every other sector i got two two earlier before we came online now let's let's personalize it let's bring it to i couldn't join true visual means why because there is no light to i couldn't power my generator because i couldn't get fuel to power the generator that's on individual level now if you take it to business level small skills and medium small and medium skill entrepreneurs that run their own private businesses that have to power their businesses with with energy where do they get energy for energy from tc from tcn and the distribution companies are not coming in then the alternative energy supply which we have in Nigeria is to use fuel which is a major resources that god has provided for us they can't afford it they even if they can afford it there is no way they can get it so you could see you could see the the the turnover the turnover effect the spillover effect of of what oil does to of what does to our economy so you don't need you don't need rocket science and the unfortunate is that you will not see any spokesperson of minister of petroleum coming out to talk you don't see somebody from the presidency coming out to explain why this is happening you don't see any spokesperson from nnpc whether nnpcllpc or nnpcprc or whatever you want to call them because you don't even know whether they are government enterprise public private enterprise that's to tell you the absolute confusion and the chaos we have in the major sector that drives our economy so if the major driver of the economy is in shambles the rest are short and every other aspect of the economy will be in shambles all right let's quickly go over to um stay with the guardian um that particular that particular story on the back page on the front page rather at the bottom there talking about the situation between uh in the political parties particularly pdp and the c upp which is a coalition of political parties uh the paper saying pdp c upp others slumber damu over deployment of beavers uh just to get some details here the writers to that they're saying apc okay i'll just leave that says following outrage and condemnation that trailed his comments on the deployment of technology for the 2023 general elections by the independent national electoral commission uh national chairman of apc abdoulay damu has disclaimed reports that he is opposed to the deployment of bimodal voter accreditation system in inak results viewing portal iref for next year's poll you know so he's having to to explain himself at a news conference in abuja uh yesterday the paper says that he was adamo said he was only concerned about the challenges of electricity supply and irregular telecommunication signals in remote voting districts of the country so um the reason this what he had earlier said that uh caused a reaction was on wednesday he said he was worried that the country is not ripe you know for the usage of electoral technology he's saying network issues could hamper you know the smooth running of the election and that's what the the pdp and cpp had to had to tackle him on after more than two decades of introducing gsm services in nigeria two two decades of introducing gsm services in nigeria and the tremendous growth net or coverage and reach of that particular industry the national chairman of the party that has ruled this country for the past eight years and a member of the party that ruled this country for adamo has been in government for 24 years he should not be deceived he was in pdp as governor in pdp as senator then in apc as senator and then now as the chairman of the apc telling us this he shouldn't be coming from him in any case an indictment of the present administration he says if all of these things he has outlined they were not even able to improve on a in the in the in the past eight years but that's enough reason for nigerians not to put for the party because they give this cost card of what the party has failed to do in strengthening democracy in strengthening the nigerian society in providing a base that will lead to economic transformation of the country because it's an information based economy is a tech based economy is not a commodity based economy the global economy is a tech based economy driven by information technology and the national chairman of the party the ruling party is telling us that it's an indictment it's an indictment in fact it's a campaign material or for the opposition but in nigeria do you even have opposition to talk of it because all of them are the same like i said there's no difference between pdp and pc they are just two sides of a coin and then labor is just the edge of the two sides of the coin so that's just and the distinction you could make between people that's a that's a scheme that's a very interesting description there not not two sides of the corn but when he said labor is the edge of the two sides of the corn he could be laughing let's go over to leadership friday leadership friday has one very interesting story on the top right corner uh a delicate vows to sack oyetola's last many permanent secretaries and the the ink the outgoing governor three days to the handover his handover departure from office appointed 30 permanent secretaries 30 i mean and after i lost the election he conducted lookbook moment election which he didn't conduct for three and a half years you see once election have been conducted and then the transitional period is really called a limb dock session during the limb dock session we are not meant to take critical policy decision out of respect for the incoming administration it's an ethical it's not illegal binding what everybody's an ethical standard you must it should uphold you should uphold why would you appoint 30 permanent secretaries when you are leaving why did you know i appoint them six months ago why are you waiting for your exit now you are trying to create an administrative bottleneck for the incoming administration now even incoming administration sad those 30 permanent secretaries they were accused him of being political whereas it is the outgoing administration that is setting a land mine a land mine for the incoming administration i recall when the president administration said they are going to conduct sensor and do election in 2023 i laughed and i took all that it's not possible for buahari's administration to do election in 2023 and to conduct sensor in 2023 where is the window that the sensor should be left for the incoming administration to do because there are some things that um because by the time the report of the sensor is coming out it will be a new administration now this new permanent secretary that you have appointed by the time they are confirmation you have just appointed them the confirmation for the appointment by the time it is the incoming governor that will confirm their appointment as as as as as permanent secretary so it's it's clear if someone is taking over plus tv administration for example and the present person occupying the office that is living in three days is appointing head of departments assigning responsibility new responsibility to new people they are trying to i'm in doing what he's supposed to do that's that's just the basic illustration that explains it look i support adelike if you know if you if you not only suck them if you fire them you just retire them let them let them go and be and stay and stay and stay with their family because any one of them that is that is what is the chief of staff the chief of staff which is a particular appointment who is meant to give directive who is meant to give who is meant to give counsel to the governor to advise the governor on on basic civil service rules process and procedure there's no advising if barris living now barris living in may 29 now on may 26 barry appointed permanent secretary to all ministries to all federal ministries was he telling the incoming administration they're not giving the incoming administration any opportunity to select east or a team of people that work with them no no no that's that's that's that's that that does not make there's no make any sense there's no make it was the same thing that was done in your state when adjimabu was about leaving conducted local government election which they never conducted and for for for eight years for close to for close to a year in Nigeria there are some states in Nigeria that are not conducted local government election this 1999 after the 1998 local government election national local government election that battered the fourth republic there are some states in Nigeria that are not conducted local government election till date and we are practicing democracy die them all are crazy yeah famous line okay jimmy johnson let's quickly um take this one and then we can we can say goodbye to you uh i'm i will stick with the economic story this is on the front page of the other punch um at the top of that front page of the punch newspaper uh the house of representatives or reps worry over fg china for 75 million dollar deal and the paper is saying the house of reps has commenced an investigation into the mo u between the federal government of nigeria uh through the ministry of communications and digital economy and the government of china on an optic fiber project worth 475 million dollars um they want to investigate the status of the implementation of phase one of the project including a forensic audit on relevant transactions to execute the national information communication technology infrastructure backbone projects one and two so you just want to conduct an audit um you know to know what's happening and of course uh there was a motion filed you know by benjamin ben member of the house to you know calling on the house of reps to investigate uh that china's Huawei technology limited is in the mix in here um they seem that they they say that all is not well with that particular uh a credit facility of about four and seven five million dollars you know credit facility is not seen but when you want to hear that noise and they make it public that they draw attention to it they want the parties to come together and resolve some crisis even trying to resolve internally that they couldn't resolve at the end of the day you don't see the report where have you ever seen any report of any investigation the character that the public with respect to execution of budget or known as a the standard practice over here is that you know what you are meant to do what you're supposed to do you have not done so we are going to cry out to the public and we will make it public outcry you would do the need for that's the standard practice that's why they call the attention interestingly sorry to interject here uh the the man who moved the motion is saying that the the house is concerned that if try to um do their oversight functions over this project but they've been frustrated their efforts have been frustrated to to oversight the progress of of this four seventy five million dollar project because that's that's the reason because they've been frustrated to do their oversight and that's why they brought it to the public domain and you know what it goes on when this issue issue happen using the one of the fundamental problem we have had with this person democratic experience is the principle of checks and balances and cooperation between the organ store government in ensuring that there is compliance with established rules process and procedure we should play what role and what role should be done we have seen that Nigerians have engaging in in in agreement in treaty excluding the national the national assembly you've seen a situation where we've even gotten loaned under this president administration whether they have right to call it this or not whether the national assembly have agreed is the national assembly should know even Nigerians engaging in any kind of dealings economy political or what have you with foreign countries the national assembly is empowered by the constitution to be in the know of these things however there are things that are still updated and your fortunate experience we have in Nigeria is very simple when we transited from um civilian from military administration to civilian administration because i'm not calling this democracy this is what we still have a civilian administration it's not the democracy all the principles and tenets of democratic principles and still not upheld now unfortunately for us it was a former head of state military head of state that was the first person that pioneered this transition in the president of the military tendency not this regarding the national assembly you know when military are in power there are only two organs of government that function one the executive and the judicial the power of the of the legislature is subsumed under the executive and it is the same mindset that oba sanjo used to rule that's why you have a cantakoros relationship between the national assembly and oba sanjo administration because when the national assembly is trying to uphold its own values own principles own power it is antithetical to oba sanjo's experience as a former military head of state and it was the same thing on that one when um bukola saraki was the senate president it was the same challenge we are because when we move from one party to another party in this present democratic experience it was not also the new democratic experiment it was also another transition from a civilian administration to another civilian administration because the president that was a beneficiary was a former military head of state that did not use legislature so he does not believe in legislature so everybody in his cabinet look at the arrogance of the ministers across god is it the minister of of of minister of reform productivity you want to talk about or is it the custom boss that said it cannot appear before the national assembly that it cannot wear the uniform of custom or is it the minister of education or is it the minister of digital economy or is it the minister of just look at the disposition of the various ministers towards the national assembly they are open display of this day so that's that's the challenge here all right the national assembly members themselves don't help themselves because you always dip their hand in the cookie jar so they go for the crumbs instead of doing the oversight function so when the crumbs are not coming they cry with their empty bowl to the public domain crying so that they can drop some coins into those bowl if they bring it to the public to tell the public we are working no these people are stopping us from working and then they will call them to a meeting and they'll backslab each other what's wrong with you these are your coins and they take their coins they are they are they are they are they are they are in between their legs they go back to their to their default so you're saying this noise is all because they have not been allowed to do oversight but it's in the oversight is where is my share my share and then you do when you do oversight there must be something inside oh my interesting you know so there's some fire where the where the smoke is coming from there's some fire there exactly exactly you know it's interesting they said they've been frustrated from exercising oversight over this I mean it's a $475 million million dollar project you know even with this 206 billion narrow that we can't the minister of humanitarian affairs cannot explain and she says that she would call the minister of finance for her to come and explain where that 206 billion narrow came from into the the budget of the ministry of humanitarian affairs of 2023 they really are shouting too because they've been shouting about it national assembly yeah you have seen you have seen that you remember the minister of health that woman uh professor gringe as she was subsumed under this type of uh arrangement of money budget budgetary allocation or non budgetary allocation you can imagine how that amount of money was inserted and then nothing was done the only notion we hear about this thing is now once they explain and then you can get your cookie job his business as usual I can assure you so well let's see let's see what happens because his business yeah sorry his business as usual hopefully once once once they've made noise about it that they inserted this money now when those ones come they'll just come and appear before the media and say that the best claim the it was it was it was it was covered in the initial presentation it was just that the footnote that did not explain our and then they said oh it was it was it was really it was really covered and then they all smile the black slap each other and then nothing that's it that's the last year from it you see our meetings you see the way the newspaper reported dss with drawer of the case against mamu compared to how it was reported when he was abducted then from Egypt and look at the newspaper that they gave the story to to break the story as you understand what our patricia it was removed at the speaker of the house of red and the media organization that drew the news with respect to money being spent or not spent on the renovation of the speaker's residence you understand the dynamics of the Nigerian states and then you understand the dynamics of the Nigerian nation and the various factors that guide our decision making and the application of our of our judicial system and the applications of our rules in this country okay so so let's let's in that vein go to the leadership on friday to have your thoughts on that uh moved by the department of state services or state securities um you know withdrawing the court case against mamu who was uh you know unceremoniously you know arrested in egypt repatriated to nigeria and um you know taken into custody mainly he got to the airport in abuja yeah that's the you see if you use a dramatic approach and a sensational approach to arrest a man and it was flashed across all the pages of the newspaper across all media platforms you should use that similar as matters to tell us how you have gone about your investigation and why are we drawing the case now you are stigmatized mamu in the first instance with that approach now you are withdrawing the case quietly and gently we talk about if if you don't pay attention to details you won't see that story coffee will you will anyone see the story no one will see that story my my case in with with with us in Nigeria is for us to to to not to engage in media trial media trial is it's a perceptual war it's it destroys people's life because at the end of the day if there's no retryer if there's no conviction that that that image is already created for that person and it leaves with that person forever and ever you see we don't have to to to sensationalize i don't know why um our security agencies whether iefzc in both the economic and financial crime or dss or other security why they engage in sensationalism in in executing their advantage that's my own you you see the american lbi prior with you they will gather all the sources on investigation and before they come to the media they must have gotten enough evidence that once they place the evidence before you you see that you want to take a plea back in or you want to also go on trial but the time you see the evidence before you 99.9 percent of the time you you you are made so most people will go for a plea back in but our own the first thing is that is for anybody to run to the media and then once you run to the media we sensationalize the issue and then when uh in the process of sensationalizing the issue you have criminalized the person perceptually as far as everybody is concerned i'll say it in my look good darling the ear that had the going must hear about the coming it took back though who got above now it is not everybody that knew about how mamu was arrested that we know about dss we joined the case against mamu and what and how do you think people relate with mamu in the first instance if you don't have a case against a person why do you have to go to the extent of using state resources of going as fast in it arrest the person sensationalize the story in the process criminalize the person perceptually and without taking the matter to court that's that's my take and that's the reason why i still said we are still in a civilian administration and not democratic society in democracy fair hearing all right fundamental human rights at the basic rights of democratic society thank you all right jillie johnson uh we'll take a few more uh couple of uh a couple of headlines for say goodbye to you i'm sure you've been following what's been happening in akiti state the punch has a story on the latest from the impeachment of the house of assembly speaker who was in office for just six days uh and actually sat on that chair for only one day one day he never got to sit on it again um the the the man has gone to court um the governor of akiti state has said he doesn't have a hand in it but the name that keeps popping up is the name of the former governor fire me but the akiti state house assembly on thursday disagreed um i don't know if it's all of them with the position of some senior lawyers in the state uh that the speaker elected on monday uh miss zolubu mia deluba should vacate the office for boy agar aribi shogon the one who was removed after six days who emerged speakers six days earlier and the lawmakers said the opinion of the senior advocates is biased uh and they they said some things i won't go into right now but what are your thoughts on what's in play now my my view is that there's no difference between first year and fire me after all both of them are far from so they're not far from each other one is just more culture than the other then with respect to you know if you know what goes on under the scene and as a responsibility as a journalist will let people know to provide them insight on what on the current of what goes on in the society there is nobody governor can say i need next to nothing about it one the governor himself was was was was was was was selected by by by fire me he was he was the anointed candidate of of fire me and then i don't know the rule of the nigerian police in sealing the state house of assembly as far as i'm concerned from the facts of the case that i've gathered the present speaker that was elected the lady is just wasting our time because it's just a matter of time the court will rule over that matter because if you want to remove i don't know why they are always in a hurry if you want to remove the speaker they are laid down procedure they are processes that you must put in place to remove a speaker those processes were not followed now they could have come to the house make your sitting and removing giving the 72 hours notice follow the later principle process and procedure and then you remove the speaker however because they want to do it in a hurry and time is of essence for them so they went about doing it illegally you can remove the speaker there's not that about that but it's the legality of the remover that is in question so if you don't follow the legal procedure in removing him what you have done is a nullity is not a vast and of no effect the court will rule on that so if the speaker the people in the group of the present speaker are saying that what the sons are saying have been biased no problem the court will rule over that matter we have seen situations where by governors have been impeached and they have been restored because later processes and procedures were not followed were not followed and it seems our political class they don't learn the governor says i know next to nothing about it then the police says the house of assembly how would you as the governor of the state claim not to know next to nothing about it where in actual sense the state house of assembly are just a unit under the office of the governor across the state in nigeria across the state it is not it is easier to hold it is easier to remove the speaker in nigerian status of assembly than to even hold the commissioner accountable commissioner an appointee that was cleared by this it is it is easier and that's why you see speakers are removed left-right and center you see the manner with which they impeach the governor the deputy governor of the deputy governor of zanfarah state and that's why some of us have argued that we are not a democracy yet we are still a civil administration these people are parading themselves to be democrats but they are not democratic they are just people in and but they are civilians they are they have military tendencies and autocratic tendencies and all they do is to wear civilian outfit and not have military uniforms you see and fellow aniquora puti has sung a song that they are in different disguise they wear suit they wear abada they wear everything to deceive people these people are not democratic they don't believe in a democratic principle how cannot the governor call the warning parties together how cannot i would fire me as the leader of the party until recently no call the warning factions the people fighting and members of the apc why can't you not call them together and have a meeting with them and tell them guys let's do it this way however they start behind the scene and they are pulling the strings you know my people see in maluku that something that is dancing on top of the water the leaf that is dancing on top of the water there is the drummer is on that there is dancing on top of the river the drummer is below is sitting at the riverbank how do you say that in yoruba doesn't we know the people pulling the strings we know the people this dance you are seeing this masquerade dance you are seeing we know the godfathers that are pulling the strings and that's what is happening and they think that they are deceiving migrants they are deceiving themselves that's what i've said what is the difference between what fire me is doing now and what fire she has done before in a tea and it's unfortunate for a kitty people to be going through this harrowing experience we used to think that the kitty people are learning people they are caught under their level of education which brings some measure of decency in their political approach but look at what has characterized a kitty politics it does look at what has characterized a kitty politics and how great a kitty man should be ashamed of himself that's the reality i've been fortunate to have good political leaders and i'm born to say this is my opinion anybody can question can question can disagree with it with his own opinion just take a look take a panoramic look at the the political landscape i can claim to have come from a kitty the dimension that the kitty politics and it is right it's it's it's unfortunate i mean some of the legal minds that um the house of assembly is said to be disagreeing with because you mean you don't know what all of them are all the members of the same opinion uh uh uh s professional in Nigeria and you push it aside or is he education there's no there's no area of life there's no field of discipline and unfortunately it comes to leadership of the state like i told you the same experience they are having now they had on the far tree it's unfortunate it's it's really unfortunate that the kitty people have always left the state in the hands of talents for them to money to money but fire me you're referring to is was a pro-democracy you know fighter if you want to call out civil society a person most of those people that call them self-pro-democracy people in the process of fighting uh at the democratic element they have also been giving back them some anti-democratic principle who was the deputy do do do we see any visibility for the deputy of fire who was the deputy of fire when he was governor does the president have any visibility baba look not to speak grammar leadership is not about speaking grammar or speaking phonetics leadership is about building people leadership is about delegation this leadership is about teamwork leadership is about working in the overall interest of of of the community of the state and of the nation at large and i am passionate about a kitty all you just need to do is to take a trip around the kitty and see whether they have anything to show or experiment we have had since 1990 90 day take a trip just take a trip around the kitty it's unfortunate that's the reality and they will they will just use the media platform to project their personal image but the reality on ground does not reflect the the the perceptual image they've created for themselves this is unfortunate all right circumstances that people resort to anti-democratic principles they will resort to be grandly what is the role of the police in stealing i want anybody they said that they were trying to force to steal it they said they're trying to force to stall a breakdown of of law and order and try to stop certain persons from going there to set the house house assembly ablaze ablaze on fire on fire if the police are not invited by the speaker we should respect the sanctity this assembly it's a ground norm of democracy there are some ground norms if they are not invited passing their offices these are some of them are constitution there are some ground norms on this thing you see uh armed police we saw that with sir jane johnson is the police not entitled to protect public facilities if they have a security report they said he wanted to stop some persons unknown persons from facility from setting the place on fire on some sort of place ablaze the the the state house of assembly look let me go to united states of america the president of united states of america does not have access to congress and not do anything within the perimeter of the congress you have to seek the permission of the speaker who controls the security apparatus around the congress sanctity there's some ground norm we must establish that the police secure the the the state house but the police stop the street justice of the state from assessing the from assessing a call i have told you that the institution that suffered most when there is military intervention in politics is the legislature the institution that is destroyed by the military when the foreign when we started these democratically we started with someone that has a military antecedent and when we translated administration from one party military antecedent so we have seen systematically suppression and destruction of the legislature as an institution they are concerned they don't even want that institution to exist it is later to exist it is only the speaker invites the police the current incessant impeachment of species and said you know what the speakers this 2g of the governors they are meant to hold them accountable all right you don't see that i think we have to go we have to go but this probably shows you when when there is a breakdown of law and order in the state and the state governor will come up and say oh i don't control the police uh it's it's a federal government from abuja there's nothing i can do we'll start crying but when it comes to things that you know of matters of political experience and political interest you see the power of the governor to influence the move of the police and the actions of the police and they bring that to itself so who is the cv who who is deceiving who jenny johnson thank you very much i think um you might you might switch professions to become one of those s a s a n's because you've uh done justice to to this and even what you said about it being a nullity is the same word the senior advocates of nigeria used regarding that impeachment quite bizarre um you would say thank you very much for your time we have to go now we appreciate you go ahead it's always it's always a nice time hanging out with your Friday morning set thank you it's set to tune for the weekend thank you my brother have a wonderful weekend enjoy your weekend if you have any i understand my greetings to you yes i will to thank you if you have any oh i'm bare please reach out to me so i can also come and uh you can come on i will hook up with you then i'll hook up with you then all right thank you july johnson he's a senior lecturer at the uh nigerian city of journalism uh i'll go for that over there i'll ditch these suits for smart brother and go and have a dance we'll return after the break we have discussions and more discussions on 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