 Mr. Ahmad Hamal, what a pleasure to meet you here in Tunis, in your own town, Ahmad Hamal. You will be one of the speakers at the next conference, waiting for the barbarians. We will address two questions at the conference. The first is, how come there are still barbarians? The second is, how civilized is Western society? Now, to introduce you to the audience, could you please tell us a little bit more about yourself? What are you with your background? What are you doing? My academic background is philosophy. I did philosophy following which in the University of Sweden? And then I did the master's degree in Islamic studies at SOAS. In philosophy, I've studied Bittgenstein, and also I did a short study of Berkeley. And also, I worked on Mutimia, who is one of the main authorities in what is described by Maud Salafi, who also graduated from Islam. After that, I did my master's degree at SOAS, and the issue I worked on is Qital, that is fighting or war in Quran. And the main reason for me to work or to shift from philosophy to Islamic studies is that I was thinking, I said, when I would be able to come back to Tunisia, because I was not able to come before the revolution. You were in exile, right? Yeah, I was in exile. I said that our problem will not be conflict with what we might call the secularist. It will be rather with those youngsters who will adhere to Islam. So I need to have tools which will enable me to involve in discussion. So can you tell us more about these tools you found to prevent Maud Salafi? For example, also kids in the UK, in the Netherlands, in Belgium, and you know that people are astonished that they will go to fight for Islamic State. What's wrong with Western society that people will go there and how can we prevent them? Western civilization, part of it, part of it, is part of this radical way of seeing the truth, that is the two values truth, the Aristotelian values, that is until you are either true or wrong. There is no third value for the truth. This is also one of the issues. Another issue is that even in the West, there is a crisis of values, because the West is now shifting away from the values of the 17th and 18th centuries, the humanities, and that the human is the sake of the private sphere of office, the crisis, the economic crisis, the war which is being waged right now. It is bringing a reality which does not validate values, whether political values or ethical values of the West. And this also pushes people away from coherently living in the West. So we do have a universal problem which is not only in our country and not only in Europe, not only in the US. It is, I think, a universal value which all of us need to work together so that we are in consistency with our values. Our everyday life is not contradicted with the values of politics, the values of the market, the values of the conflict, how we manage conflict. We are in Tunisia now, where the Arab Spring started. People were very hopeful. They thought we will have democracy now, tolerance, equal rights etc. So what has happened to the Arab Spring? We are still struggling, but I think we are building new, if you could say, new values. And we are new because we are different from what the oppressive regime used. What is different is that it does not tolerate opposition. It does not tolerate difference, if you could say. And now we can see that those who would have been enemies before are working together, and they are even partners in the same government, within the same government. I think in Tunisia we do still have hope for the success of what we might call a peaceful revolution. And this, if we are successful in it, we will do a breakthrough, because one of the definitions of a revolution is that it is a legitimate way of using violence. The main values of the Tunisian revolution is that it is a peaceful revolution. So we need success too. If we can use the term badly, we need a success story, which has different values. Those values of democracy, freedom, freedom, and people who can live together, why they are different. And as you can see, we are in a very beautiful country. You have the sea here, you came as tourists here. I personally am very happy to have you here. And I would like really to have the image of our country in this beautiful country. So thank you, Ahmed. We are looking forward to seeing you in the Netherlands on the 14th of November for the next conference. Thank you.