 there are gospel artists I grew up listening to that currently do secular music or inspirational music they like to call it What are you thoughts about such changes? Dame is simple First of all, ebu je iulize あwa hona ore ma artist wo teunin kwa una jo護a ma gospel artist do you know where they go to church? And by the way, like our music industry Ni uchafutupu ya ni Ni ya Morals No standards Isla igukondi yushetani el yenda kajenga bedroom Ni ya ni maze It's all They don't sell any form of values Ni ya Kama sasa wacha ni uleze tu suwali Ju it in the public domain Uleza Ju liya ni elito kaku Preach Gospel mbaka kuhenda kuchu kwa wefiamutu Ali kwa ni wefiamutu Watsup guys Watsup guys are very warm welcome to SPM Baz My good name is Miss Kithingi And this is Baz with stars Now today I have a minister of God But before I introduce him Please make sure you subscribe to our YouTube channel We are at 105k Thousand subscribers Please make sure you hit that subscribe button Especially after the conversation that we are just about to have today Now my guest for today is a lead pastor At the river of God church He is our husband A father to many of course In our mentor And today we are going to be having such an interesting conversation I am very sure Because I will be telling you why Pasa, how are you? I'm fine Yes, Karibu Sana to SPM Baz Thank you And thank you so much for welcoming us to your home Thank you for having me Yes, you had a slight accident That's why it may be the tumunde had in Yumbani But you're doing better Thank you Now guys, today just a snippet of what we are going to be discussing about today Why did people stop going to church? Because at the river of God Do you still go to church? Why did you stop doing that? Why is our gospel artist in Kenya Stopping to do music You know gospel music, they are doing secular Is it about money? Why are our marriages failing? Especially the modern ones And you know I believe this is something Pasi is very conversant about And he's going to be telling us all about that Tukona maswali apa, zikwa pandani Tutakwa tunachiku wa moja Tunasoma, then we talk about it Sawa Ready? Sawa First question We have started on a high note How important is money in marriage? Money is key It is? Money is key because We go to work to make money You go to school So that you will get a job So that you can make money and earn a living So it's an integral part of our life And you can see the lack of it causes certain problems And too much of it also causes certain problems But in terms of marriage I want to say this That if you have not come to the place Where you both agree how to handle money Then it will become a problem Because remember There are two forms You can either be open about your money Or closed in about your money For example There's an institution that was established by government Maybe about five or six years ago It's called Unclaimed Financial Assets Authority So how unclaimed financial assets authority works Is you have money in the bank You have shares in an organization Exactly You have money in Mpesa And then you pass on And no one is aware that that money is there So it just sits in that account for a period of time And then the banks remit that money to central bank And now that problem became so big It went into the billions Into the tens of billions If not hundreds of billions by now To the point where They had to form an authority A department within government To handle that The reason why the government is now struggling with Unclaimed financial assets authority I mean assets Is because there is a breakdown of communication In marriage Whereby you have a husband Who goes to work, makes money Has all these investments And has never told the wife The wife also goes And has all these investments Money is touched all over the place And has never told the husband So at the point where They are deceased Then the other person has no idea That this money is there And now it becomes a problem within the society So money Is critical But for you to handle money There has to be an element of trust There should also be an element Of communication That you have a point where You are communicating But that all begins With how did this relationship start If it starts wrong It will end up wrong But if you start right And you lay down certain parameters That this is our marriage And this is how we shall handle it Then it shall go on fire But you see now Money conversation How do you start it Because sometimes you don't want to see Maybe your materialistic How do you start a money conversation Because I feel like people just evaded Because they don't know how to go about it I think number one Because of the nature of money Number one The way we are cultured is You shouldn't tell anyone your pin Yes Of course the details of your account Are secret And I want to say this That there are two reasons Why people don't share about their money Either number one How they got it They can't explain Okay Yes Or They don't want people to know They are spending habits Okay Yeah You get what I'm saying You are either in debt Or the picture that you have portrayed Out there As a guy You portray like a guy who But how So by the time you get to the point where Now you even get into the point where You're getting married You really don't want this chick to know The real picture of who you are Okay Why because you're either in debt Because you have You don't want anyone to hold you accountable In terms of your spending habits Yes And especially that aspect of accountability Yeah That's where it should start You should be able to hold each other accountable I should be able to tell my wife Karo This is how much I've made This is how much my salary is And this is how I intend for us to spend This money So the same thing with her Because like every month We have to agree how much is our tithe Yes So we sit down We both calculate By the fear of God Because we also want God to bless us So we calculate how much our tithe is And we write a cheque And pay our tithe We pay the school fees for our children We have investments We have loans We also have to buy clothes and stuff We have Buy food We also have to entertain ourselves We have to put money aside sometimes for holiday Or for many other things that we have to do So that when we have We have all of us When we don't have We don't have all of us So that way we We live life together But it all began before we actually got married Where we sat down and said We agreed on several things How many children are we going to have As the grace of God abounds How are we going to be handling our money Are you going to have your account and me mine And then we have a central account for expenditure Or which one works for us Or we have a joint account Where the money is coming And they are both going to one central account And then we have a checking account Where we now pay everything from there Or how are we going to do it But bottom line is however we are going to do it We must be open and transparent Because why would you date someone That you are not transparent to Why would you live with someone Which is more important You sharing your body with someone Which one is of greater value Mwiliako kama dhim Amachapa azako Missplaced priorities for sure Aziniyani, you'd rather sleep with a man Than them know about your account details Exactly, anywhere mwiliako Iko chini, your value Iko chini kuliko pesa zako Your money is of greater value Than your body As in for sure we are a warped society For sure But if there is a story per se Growing up women were told Mwiliako kise mwiliako Uta pata mutua kukua Amasa sa mwanaume ata legea Ata kuana provide What about that? What are you doing with that bimbo? You first of all Muku yata muna pigaio story A mwanaume suju ata legea Una fayani na chaliwa na kulegea Una fayani na iyo Una fayani na iyo kitu Na iaku sumbuwa What are you doing with that sumbuwa That's what happens in dating And I keep telling people this As a chick Before you sleep with a guy Because once you sleep with a guy You don't think straight You put commonsense aside Before you sleep with him Get your facts right Who these guys Spend time When you go on dates What do you talk about? The texture of Your favorite movie You talk to someone Na marriage Discuss real issues How will we handle money Where are you coming from If this guy can't tell you when you're dating When you're serious and he's asked you Will you marry me And you say yes But first of all you agree Before we go to far How are we going to be handling these 10 issues How are we going to be handling our in-laws We can't live with them But we can't live without them How are we going to deal with money How are we going to deal with children When they come What kind of schools will they go to What languages would we want them to learn How are we going to discipline our children Because that's critical We both have to agree This is how we are going to address them If we are going to invest How are we going to invest Yes What percent of our money shall we As God blesses us and we grow Where will we be going to church Yes These are key things You see Izoma Swali Normal people would Not normal people But most people would say Izoma Swali na kaza utiaji But that's where we start wrong If you don't talk about it If you don't talk about it Musi seme alasu Life ita kutia It's true It's very true I feel like you've answered Like three questions that are inside here But let's see Ayah Next one Something about generation Generation Z That surprised you the most I think the lack of Responsibility Yes Ki sera sera Whatever man Yolo You only live once Yes And life isn't like that But what do you like to tell You know such That generation I think Life will teach them Life will teach you You know there are certain lessons That only life can teach you No kwele They actually said Charms are You know they are getting stressed By the generation Z Because they wake up today Tomorrow they are not coming to work It's true Where will she come But ten years down the road You have children You have a mortgage You have a car loan You have life Life is happening Uskuja job tuone Kafunzo na ulimuengu Eh So So immediately Watcha tuone basi Ayasawa Mezuka generation Z Jumze Uku job Yeah Somebody has employed you Is running a restaurant Yes Is running a bank Is running whatever the institution And they have employed you Or even you It's your organization Leu kukam Customers what enda malpegi ne We'll see how you'll run That big car Or that small house Or wherever you are Whatever stage of life We will see How life will turn For you Yeah Because life doesn't stop to wait for you To deal with your emotions And feelings Life has no feelings At you Today I don't feel like Sawa We'll see Yeah Mufungiwa nyuomba You've been auctioned Your kids are not going to school Eh She does ukweli She perceived Yeah Tangible problems Yeah Who come following you Nasi ya tiju ziluku jaka covid Coz covid you can't blame anyone Nia Niza koza kujileteia Namziba wa kujileteia Auna kilio Yes Eh So I think for me Is just to say You know what This much we will tell you But since I was kid Is of feelings Zipelike kwa dunia tuwone Yeah Eh Aya Miss kid Buwan as few Amen Do you think Submission works in marriage If both parties are providing Repeat the question Do you think Submission works in marriage If both parties That is the husband and the wife Are providing Because According to the Bible It says The wife submits The husband provides I think it's a function It's a function And it's not based on shillings and sins You don't submit Coz you have money Or you don't Okay For example Teresame When she was The prime minister For the UK Yes Chances are She made more money than her husband Does she still submit Yeah The premier for Germany She still went home to cook Regardless of the fact That she's the head of state Yes That's not withholding You know what I'm saying Yeah So I think The issue is not whether you should or not The issue is not It's not monetary It's not monetary You submit because it's a function Yeah Everyone has a function Okay Yeah We submit both to another The wife will submit And take her role in unmarit But that doesn't mean That now I will load over her Because now she's a slave under my king You know what I'm saying Because remember Even as she's submitting My role is actually bigger Yes My role is to love her unconditionally Yeah So whether she submits or not Mine is to love And it's not subject to her submission Yeah And once and I can tell you I've been married for what 24 years now I've been ministry for about 28 And I can tell you this When you love your wife She will submit effortlessly Yeah I mean I think that is very true But do you think According to now This generation that you are in Because everything is becoming Monetary Blah You know I think it's just It's materialism And everything boils down to a choice Yes I think it's just money Monetary You know life changes Yes So life changes when you hit the road And when you end up in a kisha Then you become a prostitute Male or female You get what I'm saying Yes But materialism is a choice Yeah Where you love Or you want to be loved On the basis of what you have And I think that's the cheapest part Of a relationship Where somebody hangs out with you Because of the money you have Now I want to tell you That money doesn't last forever Yeah It doesn't last forever Forever Skulis daisha Ama ata kama badus takua Then somebody else comes Who has more money And I share Yeah So in essence it wasn't love Yeah For sure Exactly So in essence what you're saying Yeah That this generation When you're saying that Most of this generation Is materialistic In essence you're saying Most of this generation Doesn't love Yeah And that's hypocrisy I feel like I really feel like That it's so true Yeah They actually don't love Because when you love someone You don't care Yeah Bible says Perfect love cuts out all fear Yeah And so in essence You're saying That they are actually not in love Somebody is dating you By virtue of your position The fact that you're on SBM bars Yeah So somebody dates you By virtue of that So the next time They go to somebody else On Facebook Or maybe mainstream media They will leave you And go there And we see a lot of that happening With all these artists And all these stars And by the way Like our music industry New chafu tupu Yeah There are no morals No standards It's like Kukund you say Daniel yenda kajenga bedroom Yeah Yeah Mazi It's all They don't sell any form of values Yeah It's just materialism Niku shinda nas Ju nani yungona garigani Ju nani yungona ni Nini Kubonga vituza Chafu Yajin baka nashanga Kuna mimbozini Na muskia Labda nimenda maali Ube kamali Una skia red Wama kukuma 3 Una Am I just watching TV Mazi wuna wachivi Tumbakuna shanga Ui umutu Yungona watu Kus you did this Yeah Out of the fact That you will make money And you're looking for likes on You know When it has showbiz Showbiz Yeah So when your children go to school Yeah And they listen to what you're You're singing So when your children are all grown up Your grandchildren will be saying This is what our grandfather used to say Yeah As in now usha grow up Usha machu o karealize Mazi for sure Tukotuna sema nonsense Yeah So how do you live with it It's tricky Yeah So in essence we can sell our soul For money Yeah Yeah Because money We can sell our soul Yeah As in I see All these girls gyrating on TV And I'm like For sure there's no You can gyrate like this For nothing You're doing it for money Yeah So in essence Is more than prostitution Yeah Yen nuna ezafa chupi na kabra Uko kwa TVu na tuwanesha nonsense Yeah Juta lipo As in not how low women have sunk Yeah Seriously But what kind of children do you think now we are bringing up Because you see We are the mothers Those people are doing that Probably have kids And their kids are watching You see mutua lewa ke Yeah Mimina lewa angu Yeah Wukitakulewa koko ka shetani Nisaawa Lelea shetani wako Yeah Ka wewe Uli kwa kwa TV Kumewa ka mini Ka Tuna Kroptop Yeah Whatever those ones are Yes Yeah So mutua wakata fanyanina Tafanya podun It's going to be worth Exactly So welea wako For the devil Mi am raising mind for God Yeah And I'll do my best And the Bible has promised That if I bring up my children in the ways of the Lord When they have grown up they shall not depart Yes So you do yours I just hope and pray And believe God That I'll do yawata wale wako angu Because man said You need help on earth Yeah Because And yeah You see now because Sometimes we really cannot now And as a kulelea shetani Control your kids are going to meet Who, where, when And all of us as parents Have a responsibility to raise our children And I want to say this You can't raise your children from a distance Yeah Raising children is hard work And it's not for cowards And it's not about shillings and sins Because they are people who are that poor But they still bring up their children with values And those children grow up to become Amazing people President-elect Ruto He grew up without shoes Yeah But just because you didn't grow up with a lot of money Doesn't mean you'll not become whoever you want to become in life Yeah True Aya Guys Just hit that subscribe button Kama Kuna maliume guzo Just hit that subscribe button Now The next one is Why did people stop going to church? Because There are so many people I know That grew up in church But they don't see the essence Of going to church anymore First of all Let me say that you've asked many questions But this is a very good one Okay And one of the reasons why people don't go to church today is because The way church has been portrayed Is very, very negative Okay Due for sure shetaniya shengia church There are many pastors today Who have turned the gospel of Jesus Christ into shillings and sins The truth is people are angry with the church Because the church never no longer speaks The voice of truth Yeah The church is full of The truth is we have failed as a church As a clergy we have failed We are not calling it as it is Ita dambi dambi And even in churches You find certain elders are living like the devil themselves There are even children of elders Who don't go to church Jude The life their father is living in church And the man they are At home At home Two different things Exactly Maka ototuwa na sama To hell Kama hindi okofu wachaika So who has failed there It's not the church has failed It is this decol who has Has failed Or this pastor who has Has failed And I'm saying this That until we get to that point where We stand for what is true We call it as it is To talk kwa church ya kubembelezana Na kanisa si bieshara Kanisa ni kanisa Na I keep saying You know what You don't need to come with your money to church Na kama huna dhanika ni sa Kwen takabisa? We don't need your money God is interested in your heart Not your money Buwanas fiosana Amen And so when we Chippen the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ That it's about shillings and sins When you go to some of these churches Nuna patawakona sadaka kama sitai na de Amazewa ni yangusha ga yanguiote Nasi yata mimi unangusha mungu Ya Na ziko Unatoa ya kushkuru mungu fo the day Unatoa lea amchungaji the guest speaker Unatoa lea pastawa kanisa Mungu watu sa idea Na jenga kanisa Mungu watu sa idea Na sayo labiam tu monyakoko yo kanisa honest But they don't even have food And you see It's unfortunate Because scripture is very clear You know You can never give your time Never come before God empty handed Whether you bring 2 mites Or 100,000 It doesn't matter It says bring your whole time Then never come before the Lord empty handed Malakai chapter 3 And then Deutronomy chapter 16 Never come to God empty handed And then you can bring your fast In terms of telling God Thank you But we have gone all the way In baka izi seed Seed ni mean Apakuna yo seed by the way In scripture Yo storia seed ni corruption Nikuleta corruption kanisa ani Yeah Seed The seed that is talked about in the New Testament Is actually the word of God Yeah Yeah But now Pasi How can you know who is translating for you You know what is My sister It's in English Read for yourself Be a berayan Acts chapter 17 Read Read for yourself You are an educated girl Read the Bible for yourself Yeah The Bible says We have a responsibility to test every spirit Because so many false prophets Have gone into the world In essence The responsibility is brought back to you You have the prerogative To read and confirm if this is true Umenda kwa kanisa wna uski Aote wa na uzi wa mafuta Google wana niwa api Bible me say Mamutu uzi wa mafuta Aote wa na uzi wa wifagio Niwa api usia wa iski Ati shetani alifagili wana kifagio ko Bible Chumvis, Juinin Uzi wa mafuta Uzi wa mafuta Read for yourself Even when you go to school The teacher doesn't teach you everything He gives you a guideline Then you go and research for yourself You go and read for that exam So it's the same thing in life As in you go and read and research Umenda kwa uski wa mafuta Remember human is to era Pasta mafuta kwa kwa kwa kwa kwa kwa Mas uka na penu naandika Amu weki rekodu kwa simu Urekodiyos amu na lafu jioni wende Uka ichini uchambuwe wana ok Ay Papana You go to a commentary Na commentaries ni nyingi online You read and confirm that this is true And this is not true You have the responsibility To test and to weigh what has been taught And the brands were considered More honorable Because what poles it They went and confirmed Confirmed So they say in my people perish for lack of knowledge So generally Ya Makon ni wengi Ata wengi noko church Nyukweli Aya So from this question The marriages like itambu They used to work You've mentioned you've stayed in marriage 24 years Nowadays people are getting married One year on It's broken What do you think is actually leading to the break The many divorces that we have right now Foundations When you're building a house If you don't get the foundation right Nothing will stand And one day When the wind blows or there is a storm Or there is just a tremor The house will fall Foundations That we have today And why are these marriages failing Because number one These marriages are either founded on materialism Ya, you mentioned Or their perception Or expectation into marriage Because a guy is getting into marriage Assuming that now he's married a slave Ya ni akele me guju Aku esavd like the king They work like that Or the chick walks in How do you survive Isim a kuches na toshana even New survival ake kwa hau Ata unna uta usajem Uta toajem toi daipa How do you even manage To run your home You get what I'm saying So this chick comes into the house The guy wants her to cook Ata uta kata aji kitungu Uta shikaji Wa me learn the art Ya kusabaiwe So I think first of all The expectations are Unrealistic Ya Unrealistic expectations And I keep saying this Just because you have a beard Or a bust Doesn't mean that you're ready for marriage And I tell the young man Kamu jato shekana dunia Wacha kuwa Kamu badunu daaku Zungu kahu ko nama dem na ni ni Zungu kandugu Akin ite na akuna Pressha nyumbani uta oa lini Mjuku uta niletea lini Life ina kogana Pressha throughout Akuna life ina ga pressha So if you can't withstand the pressure Because there is no wife Unazel tako hao na badun Nanda wuko parambulating So Kamu jamo daaku Nakamu mewa oa Toshekana weo mo So faithfulness And I want to say this Once we get away from God We become A godless society We become a godless society And I want to say this The reason why But most young people have left church Remember Marriage is a biblical institution And the standards of that marriage Are in the Bible Are in the Bible So if you remove God From that marriage It won't work Because the principles must stand The principles must stand And I also want to say this That no one is perfect We all make mistakes But there is that aspect of forgiveness in marriage If you are not willing to forgive one another If you are not willing to submit If you are not willing to love As Christ loved the church To the point where he was willing to die Then that marriage is going nowhere I always kwa kwa married Lakin wu kwa gihom When you get married As a husband Remember you must be accountable to your wife Lakin wu wajamaa Apa muna oana Lafuna da kwa wendium falme Kwa yon yumba Ako eziyendaivio Atu takiku kumusiwa masuali Niku kwa li kua head Lakin wu kwa piya kichwa Niku kwa li Kichwa kwa agi pekaya Si basu wituo wikelepa leju Iwa zi sima Iwa kichwa ime Support ni ni? Ni shingo Niku kichwa ige ukemi lazima shingo ikubali Kwa li Iwa zi kujatu ati Sasa wewen diyoku Shingo inezakata kusonga Ya We've mentioned about forgiveness It's not an easy thing It is not How do you get to that level of Uli nifanya vibaya But because we were joined together As husband and wife till death do us part And we have kids that we need to raise How do you get to that point of actually Forgiveness and actually just forgetting Because forgiving is easy maybe Forgiving is of God Forgetting is a choice But you can't forget it will always be there But you choose not to hold the other person On the basis of that Unless of course amnesia Which is a medical condition But let me say this The Bible says Jesus When he was teaching his disciples how to pray He got to that place where he said Forgive us our sin As you forgive those who trespass against us So for me to be forgiven I must forgive first And that's why I said It takes God for you to actually forgive It is naiv to assume Forgiveness is easy And it's not cheap But it's a choice But it also takes God Because it hurts It brings pain It takes God because it's God who brings that healing in your heart And the ability to love this person Like they never did what they did And you live on together And you don't remember the pain Ya You don't remember the pain And it takes God And that's where God comes in where you start praying about it You pray about it You have peer counselors Or you go to a counselor and see a counselor And they help you walk through that And even as you read through the Bible Remember the word of God is a double edged sword Ya And God will help you Ya Alright Okay, so this is about the gospel industry in Kenya Because we have all You know, realized that we had The gospel artist I grew up listening to That currently do secular music Or inspirational music like they let to call it What are your thoughts about You know, such changes Dambi is simple Dambi Simple as that Dambi Because they don't want to be held accountable So these guys Ya First of all, ebuji uli ziaji Ah ma artist Do you know where they go to church? Some know, others probably Chances are They stopped being accountable to their pastors To their churches To industry Ya And they moved it to industry because they are saying Atasila zima to kule Ya Nazima otengeneza pesa So in that sense Of putengeneza pesa They were no longer accountable to anyone So they are all over the place And they don't have anyone to hold them accountable now Absolute power corrupts absolutely So eventually they started drawing away from God And eventually They got lost And that's why we have very few gospel artists Who started right And they are still right They are there but very few Most of them started very well They went all the way up to the apex And then started coming down Not in terms of feelings and sense In terms of their commitment to God Now they even went to secular So the question I keep asking is Has God changed his mind God had called them As a minister Of the gospel through music So God alibad lisha call lini Di oka endakwa dunia But you see when the money came in They don't want to be held accountable Ataki kuhu holdi wa accountable na pastawake Sando uluku wa api Aku wa ministry alikua industry Ya Aku wa ministry alikua Industry Sasa ukundi ua mehaza kujichanganya na madem Na nini You know you find a gospel artist Muntutuna juwalu kwa mehokoka Anahubiri gospel Ndeo yamech kwa waifia mutu mwingine He Izo nevi stangagani Izo tibi tupo As in seriously Ya Kama sasa wacha ni ulizetu suwali Juiti in the public domain Juliani ali tokaku Preach gospel nmbaka kuhenda kuchu waifia mutu Ali kwa ni waifia mutu Sia li kwa naishina mutu mwingine uko Sia li kwa naishina mutuwa Kama waifia Ya li kwa naishina mutuwa na kama waifia Ya ndia li kwa machakosuwan Yes, first lady Nasi ya li kwa gatu wuku Arusia li kwa lini So living in sin So how will he ever come and talk about sexual purity So You know something So he doesn't have to tell me Data li bake But najare bukto after yo wukovun hei kosa Ya Na kuna watu wengi Ya ya Wa meji changanya ya o yote So for me When I look back The question I ask is Then God was a means to an end God was a stepping Stone To get to Where you wanted to go Na seleuli fika Aukamsare Usha fika Ya And that's very unfortunate And now They have a constituency Of young people who are following after them And you ask Why have people left the church Because they are leaders The people they looked up to The people they Who had an amazing testimony Of what God had done for them God amekutua dandara Amekutua wapi Ameku inu, ameku panguza Uko kwa limelitia nation Alafi angaliya visanga So Some of these young people are like Kamagospel niu Wa chai ka Wa chai ka They don't see the consequence Of their action In light of how far God had raised them And how many people looked up to them To them Ya Looking at it that way It makes a lot of sense Because we don't really do that Those are things in the public domain And I want you to just look around And see Some of the very serious Gospel artists Godal toa from nothing Literally nothing Literally From rags to riches As in Literally Angaliya maali Godaliwa toa Amu apati ya kipawa Nasi ya ti Waki reiza kukuna wengine Kulikuwa Aka kujua waka pita Waka shoot all the way up Not to the national level To mad cash In this country Lakinsa iwa mefikapo Maze even when you listen to the first songs And the songs they do now Maze anya apamungu wa yuko Me the Lord have mercy on us And I think it's important for us To go back to the word Where we all have a responsibility To read the word for ourselves Jisome baibu wengine Kauna zasoma physics na kem Literature Jisome tu It's not in greek or latin Mamboil bad lika It's in English And you can compare several versions If you don't understand this one Get good news Go online Tafuta I think there is an explanation Of every verse on YouTube The Bible So going through You see online I saw A session of your preaching That you were talking about Wajakoya's manifest of planting weed And you know I saw you say that He might have been sent by the devil To destroy our children Could you please elaborate That at least I think this is what I want to say For me what got to me Is a hypocrisy Because the weed he's talking about And he's saying he's a medicino But when he's out here And the weed he's talking about In terms of smoking Is not what he's saying And what he's doing Is very different And I have seen what weeds Can do to someone I grew up in Islams And if weed is illegal And it's already a problem Can you imagine if it was legalized? What generation will we have? What kind of young people Shall we have? What kind of mother Shall we have? We'll have an entirely We'll have an entirely Slow society As in Shetani India tako a machine Drug abuse is a disease It's already a problem in our country As it is Alcoholism Drug Bang Alcohol Cocaine Whatever else that they take out there Whatever tablets Opioids The abuse of painkillers It's a problem in our society I wish you would find a parent Who has a child who struggles With addiction And see The pain in their eyes Then you'd understand That the wajakoya narrative is demonic And the truth is His children don't do weed If his children were doing weed The narrative would be different And no one would do weed If your children were doing weed Or you see your son or your daughter Addicted to alcohol Or any other drug For that matter So when people are propagating that It is wrong That is why They've banned advertising for alcohol Why? Because they have seen the damage That alcohol has done in society today It's bad It's living dead And so I still stand on that point And I know that he has supporters And there's almost a part of me That is feeling like You know what Nye nye Wajatua na watu iweni Watu fanyanini Nye But anyway God forgive them For they know not What they are playing around with In Jesus name Amen Pasi, I believe of course You have more knowledge on this one What is the difference between Religion and spirituality And can you actually practice one And live the other Modern problems First of all Religion Or as this wahili call it Dini It's just the heart of going to church Okay Nye niw religion Nye niw uweni na watu church You are part of that religion Okay You do not necessarily Because the difference between somebody Who goes to church with a Christian And somebody who's born again Now Christianity is a religion Yes Boothimza Is a religion Islam is a religion That you are born into Yes But you might not necessarily Have a personal relationship We are a convert of Christianity. You can be a convert of Christ. So there's a difference between religion is somebody who was born in that. Somebody who just ascribes to the fact that they go to church, they don't go to a mosque. So it's a classification of religious groups. That's religion. That's classification is. Religion is somebody who is Islam, somebody who is Christ, somebody who is Buddhist, somebody who is Confucianism. So can you be religious and not be spiritual? Let me say this. You can be religious and not necessarily spiritual. But what you're trying to say, that question should have been, can you be religious and born again? Because when you say you're spiritual, is you deep into those things. But you can be deep in whatever religion but not necessarily be a convert. For example, there are people who are seriously religious. And they look spiritual but they are not necessarily converts of Jesus Christ. They have not accepted Christ as Lord and Savior. And that's a world of a difference. Because you must confess Christ as Lord and Savior first. For you to be considered a believer, not just a Christian. Because kuna watu wa mungu na watu wa mungu. God created everyone. Bakini watu wa kuna wa mungu na watu wa mungu na watu wa mungu na watu wa mungu na watu wa mungu na watu wa mungu na watu wa mungu na watu wa mungu na watu. So those are the ones who are born again. The reason I'm asking this question is because there are people who don't go to church. But they say, I'm a very spiritual person. But I don't go to church. Are you born again? Because there is a world of a difference. Are you born again? Being spiritual, you are in tune with the spiritual issues. But you are not necessarily born again. Because you can't be born again and you don't go to church. Because the Bible clearly says in Hebrews 10.25 that do not give up the habit of meeting together as some are. So as a believer, one of the prerequisite, one of the requirements is that you need to go to church. Yes, we shall know them by the fruit. That's one of the requirements. You need to go to church so that you can encourage each other as you, as a day of the Lord draws, draws nai. Yes. Alright. I hope when you are in Ndangika, Nisa wa Natsumanga wa kwa spiritual. I think it's an excuse to me. And there can't be a blanket. Let me just say this. There are people who are angry with God. Yes. Because God, and in most cases, people who have had who are angry with God is because God did not do what they wanted. Maybe their parent was sick and they wanted their God to heal their parent and they died. So they got angry with God because how could you heal so and so and not heal my mother. But how could you heal my mother? So there are many people out there who are angry with God who don't want to go to church. There are others who are angry with the church because they were hurt in church, hurt by the pastor or hurt by somebody else, another leader in church or another member in church so they decided how what agenda church. And I think that is immaturity because if you don't feel fit in this church, then go to another church. And if you got hurt with this pastor, confront them. Go to a decon and say, I think I got hurt here. And if they don't listen to you, then move to another church. Church see more. Just because matri li fanya accident jana. So lay out a panda matri gini. So uta kwa una tembe aga two sasa. Juki panda matri jana mazeku kuna matri baya otwali dai. So sita jpanda matri tena. Oh, boda boda. Liyona accidentia boda. So sita jpanda boda tena. Jana kuna toyota ilifanya accidentia. Mi sita ja pelika toyota maisha hangu. Seriously. I make sense. It's immaturity. Yes. Okay, stawa. Last question. This one is about men because there is this narrative that says, we don't take care of our men. Men are left out. Wanakia wakuna chama. Women are being represented everywhere. And the boy child is not taken care of especially emotionally. What are some of the struggles you feel men go through that we should be easy on them? Okay. I think it's true. It's true. Numbers don't lie. It's true. There's been a lot of effort in terms of empowering the girl child. Yes. Unfortunately, they empowered the girl child and left out the boy child. And now you can start seeing the effects of the same. And my prayer and my desire is that the men shall come back home. Because mentoring of a boy starts first of all with the father. Yes. Because you need to have a parent, a present father. But we are living in a generation where the number of single parents, boys raised by their mothers is growing higher and higher. At some point in the US it was 65% of all the men in prison came from single parent homes. So you can tell for sure it's a serious problem. And it's basically men refusing to take responsibility. If you impregnate a girl, then you must take responsibility of that girl. And that sense of responsibility is a father teaching his son. Just because you're old enough doesn't mean that now you should go and hang out with girls out there. You should also exercise a sense of self-control. But for you as a father to earn the right to speak into your son, you must also live right. Yes. You can't also be telling your son, don't go out and mess around. When you as a father, your wife, that's all, the mother of this boy, that's all she's complaining about. You get what I'm saying? You also must live right for you to earn the right to speak into the life of your son. And that way then you can bring up your son in the ways of God. Because I want to say this, the only way to know how to be a man is to be with men. Okay. Because it's not an academic essay, it's not something you learn in a book. It's cool. Exactly. It's a process of mentoring. So you mentor your son into the kind of man that you want him to be. He can go to school, become a doctor and an engineer, but be a player. Yes. He can be an engineer without morals. Ana jenga barabara na na tuibia. Vuletu na onaga mutu ni injiniyama endaka jenga barabara, after a few months ikona mashimu. He has the qualification, but he's a thug, he's an engineer who's a... He's a thug. We see in the paper on social media every day. So and so me iba pesaflani. So and so me iba flani. He's a doctor na me ibia watu. An engineer na me ibia watu. Ni mutu na faja job ko oficia lands na me ibia watu. He's a minister in the government na me iba pesa. You get what I'm saying? So they have qualifications. They got into that position by merit, but they don't have character. Yes. So the question is what kind of a father does he have? Who brought you up to teach you those kind of values? Yes. So I think there's a point where we get to where we have to say for sure your parents failed. If this is what they brought up, your parents failed. And I think it takes a lot of boldness and courage to say that. Uyo injiniyali barabara, your father and mother failed. Because they took you to school, but they didn't teach you the issues of character and ethics. And those ones are taught at home. Kwaili. But also I believe it's now your responsibility to decide. Okay, so this is not the best thing. I was not taught here, but I can change it. Maybe they don't know. Because you see, when you go home, you don't have time to come in. I remember when I was growing up, you would come with somebody that doesn't belong to you. You have to explain. Yes. So even now, I remember the other day I was telling my wife, I remember the other day, you were telling your wife that you were not going to school. I remember the other day when I was growing up, you were telling your wife that you were not going to school. These are thugs. So when you go to school, you are going to go to the central bank. That's what it is. Atayiba. Alians are not going to go to school. It's that small. Atayiba is not going to school. Atayiba is not going to school. So who failed? The parents. The mother failed. Or the father failed. Yes. You are not going to school. Okay. So you are not going to school. You are not going to school. You are not going to go home. Atayiba is not going to school. So he is not going to school. So it's not going to school. So you are not going to go to school. You are not going to school. So it's not going to school. Okay. So who failed? So if there is a fraud now, So if anybody is checking, it's a treasurer. Atayiba failed because of the documents. So who is the father? It's true. So that value was instilled on them. But that value was instilled on them. juya suweta ya shule kuna viya tu nili ko nili endamaali nika pata viya tu deadly nika bayi amto iwaanku mzazu penda mtu toa kya to boots mazi sigusari nika mbaya nika wana jumi misiku waga na junkaisa shule let my son live my my dreams about him kenda shule kumalza tabu kutasifu kizil malza miizimbi mtu ali pita nazo so the truth is iso viya tu ziko kwenyumbia amtu atasari uyo parent umto ya na juya isi viya tu si zake zili kwa za mu so on so and they've used them now for even if we got them back they wouldn't fit my son because it's been like 2 years because it was just before covid they know they're not theirs and the parent also knows because for 7 year old the parent knows akunam tu iwa 7 years maia kwa juing waza kwa zote so every day whether they're going to church they're going to wherever they know that these shoes are not mine and my mother has reba stamped it it's okay so I'm here saying boldly when you see those people stealing from government their parents failed because those values were taught at home we can say o mua limu apana iyo sueta ulu kuja naia na siya siya kwa iso viya tu lienda home na siya kwa iyo water bottle lienda naia home na siya kwa ii kitabu mamaia kwa na juya siya siya niya naia me kukubalisha ukuja naia home at this point is just a textbook ya but that day when you become a doctor who is in charge of an entire hospital that is why we have branded GOK but being sold in private chemists those values are taught at home thagari tribalism hate is taught at home a godless society is a evil society unless we go back to churches and I'm not just saying churches blanket I'm saying churches that preach the truth and one of the aspects of preaching the truth is you as a pastor must live right you must preach what you preach I mean you must leave what you're preaching that is a litmus test number one of a church that is preaching the truth because it is a job which we have to live but it is not good they live right no matter how much their children die because when the baby is born they do not need that so when you get married you will have no hope I'm just saying God deal with us so So our last question Is heaven and hell right here on earth No, no, no. No, it is not. I think it's a blanket. No. Heaven is a physical place that you go to. Of course when you die, the first place you go as a believer is Abraham's bosom. In anticipation and in waiting for the day we shall go to heaven. The new heaven and the new earth. When you die now, you don't go straight to hell. Hell is empty. You go to a place called Heads. Heads is a place of torment in waiting for the great judgment where the devil, the demons and all those who denied Christ will be thrown into the lake of fire and now that is hell. And yes, hell is a physical place with a literal fire, not hypothetical. Yes. You know, I actually saw a meme. I don't know if you saw that. And that meme was saying that why would the devil punish people who are going to hell when he himself disobeyed God. And you know, someone that wrote such a thing is probably out of ignorance. They don't know. No, nikuji tia mou yo. Nikuji jaza. Nikuji tia mou yo. It's true the devil is not in hell yet. Yes. Because you remember in the book of Job, Godast, nawe u meto ko api. Ah, nili kwa tu area, nili kwa tu nirao. Nili kwa tu area, area. All go area. Ahe u nadakaze. Sema u jamai tuwa job. Anakupenda ko sabu limpa tia. Testimansi. So he's not in hell. Kuskama nge kwa hell, nge kwa na piga nirao area. Niku area. Baka heaven, baka mali god yuko. So his time to go to hell is not yet. Okay. But after judgment he will be thrown into the lake of fire. I'm actually surprised. Guys, did you know about that? When are you finding about that? Jo awasomagi baibu. Na, na the book of Job, soma. Fungu wa wu? Na, fashu ya kama unasiki ya ningumu kusoma. YouTube. There is an audio Bible, listen. And some of it is even dramatized. Even watch. Ya, right now I'm watching something on the book of acts. It's a movie. It's actually the entire book narrated with drama and stuff in the book of acts. And it's a entertaining. You're watching. You're watching. It's actually quite interesting. So there will be no excuse for not reading. But the devil will keep you away from truth. Nia. For lack of knowledge my people perish, Hosea 46. Reference in the video you know that was trending a while back on, you know, telling, you know, the men on a letter sada kakubwa, but yet nyumbani ya mechapa bibi. They are cheating on them. What would you actually tell someone who is an abusive marriage? And is death doers part still literal? Or are there things that are considered death in marriage? First of all, let me say this. Who hits his wife is a coward. Plain Belkanwet. Any man who hits a woman, wife or otherwise is a coward. For sure. Kama ota kuchapamitut, after mu na umewari kaya ku. Tuon na nanim de? Nanim de. Una chapa de maji. Edo mu futa bangi zibutu za wajakoya. As in seriously, you've done drugs. Or you are a coward. Una uruzana na madem ni. Una chapa de maji. Nini ni. Ni na kusumbu wa wenimu. What kind of a man? What kind of a home? Who brought you up? We were brought up, told bana, you don't hit a girl. And even my kids, I told them, you don't hit a girl. Atakau konasi reznakaji, you don't hit a girl. And so, when you get to that point, it really breaks my heart. You get to a point where you find men who you beat your wife and the pastor knows. Or those around you know. And they still welcome you in church because you're bringing in your man. Kwa ndana yo pesa? Kwa ndana yo kabisa? Kwa chata kwa ndana yo pesa? Chata after charging in. Chata after charging in. Enda kwa iso church, dili oh. Oatu chapa mawifu, lakin ni aruji ya pana. Kaji ya pana. Uko. I'm not speaking for all the Kaji pastors because we have anakubishof but I can tell you for sure. I don't think you would be... Mungu kusidee. Ay, to my skin. Yui na ni guzaga. Inen ni guzaga roho. Because I can't imagine. And I want to say this. I think it's a bigger problem where materialism has gotten into the church. Where we treat people on the basis of their shillings and sins. Yes. Sometimes even in terms of appointment to church leadership. But until we get to the point where number one that even when politicians come on Sunday morning, they don't have to be brought in the front. Uke kuja kwa kaniisa. Mungu wajui MP na shopkeeper. At the foot of the cross, the ground is level. So whether when you MP, whether when you nani, even if the president went to a mosque, ataka awko kati kati ya watu. Kwanini kwa kaniisa na kotofa uti. Kwa? Ka chi waiwa ni mshirika? Ne. Havena, kuna place specific Ya prezi, ama ya Governor, ama ya MP. Wakuna kitu kama yio? And that is why even when we die, it doesn't matter ataka mawa kwiweni king, ama queen. Jini, moja moja. Kuzi kwa ni pale pale tu. Akuna grave deadly na grave ya gaiei fiw dedali na gravya maskini na yaa, na yaa atiaa kukuna vilita hewa, hewa washed juu iku uku juu ya hewa Ata moia lizikuwa, nubletu maigrandefaada lizikuwa So even at the cross the ground is, level and until that day we are in church when politicians come and we don't give them a place of honor na uko katikati ya watu ya until that day comes then the church will have won the war against materialism in church Buwanasweo amen asante sana Buwanasweo sana one more thing pastor you know there are people who have watched you today and they would love to visit your church and probably will just join and be you know servants right there please tell us where is your church where can we find you on social media alright the church where I serve is called river of God church but it's a Kenya assemblies of God congregation it's a KG church it's just dubbed river of God so that you can tell which KG church but it's a Kenya assemblies of God congregation we're in Parklands in Parklands there is a major road called Ojijo Road so at the junction of Ojijo and Chiromole behind Ruby's petrol station we actually share fans that's where the KG river of God congregation is and we have 3 services our first service starts at 6 so 6 to 7, 6 am to 7 am so it's our shortest service 6 to 7 and then our second service is 8 to 10 and then 11 to 1 so we have 3 services and then once a month we have a service we call the ROG service there's a circle on outer ring road called ROG circle so the ROG circle once a month the 4th Sunday of every month at from 2 pm all the matatu literally all of them come to church and park for a service all the stuff between those 2 or 3 hours the ROG circle matatu are not on the road they are actually in church we come, we pray together and it's a full service so we have an entire service with them once a month that's brilliant that's a very good idea actually the first saturday of every month 6 to 7.30 we have prayer for men we have a men's prayer meeting for the ladies every 3rd saturday of every month from 9 to midday we have a ladies fellowship we also have teens, youth and children but those ones are on Sunday morning except the 6 o'clock service and we also have a social media presence so we have Facebook Instagram Twitter and YouTube and Tiktok so the ROG church and all across all social media platforms the ROG church the river of God church or the river of God church across all the platforms so guys if kama u jashika all this information on where you fall as a person follow their platforms and watch out where if you are a man you want to listen to what he has to say please head over there and see how you can align yourself with the days alright guys make sure follow the river of God church sawa sawa thank you so much guys and thank you so much pastor for having a minute to talk to us it's not a minute, it's been a long one but I believe it's been worth it alright sawa sawa thank you so much for watching this insightful conversation leave a comment what have you learnt today make sure you engage with us down on the comments section and make sure you subscribe as well thank you for watching Bars with Stars my name is Miski Pinji until next time it's goodbye